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I have just begun a new effort at copyediting. Please revert any unintentional errors. A few questions. 1) Can the nasogastric quote go in the 2nd para.? 2) Is there a problem with referring to her as Terri or will only Mrs Schiavo be acceptable? There is inconsistency in the text (e.g. a lack of "Mrs" before her name); in many works it is acceptable to vary btw. first and last name for variety, which I have proposed here. Please change it if this is wrong. 3) No doubt there are other issues. I apologize if I have overstepped anywhere. ~Dpr 22 Mar 0500 UTC
Corrected date of ending of therapy.
According to Dr. Wolfson's report, intensive therapy continued through 1994, not 1992 as this article originally stated.-- Ringmaster 05:51, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, user:Dhartung, for adding pronunciation. I knew that was necessary but wasn't sure what to put. ~DPR
Are we attempting to portray a before-and-after presentation here? That may not be the best thing (nor most respectful). Besides, the photo of her today as show is a little jarring, perhaps. There must be another with her slightly more...at peace? ~DPR, 0730 UTC
The only real thing needed to be discused hear is that if it brings her family comfort to keep her alive so be it. Since she is in a vegetative state it isn't like she cares that she is being held alive. Your right she isn't responding to her mom but thats not what matters
You know, I said exactly what to do yesterday, but noone paid attention. Even if one photo allegedly shows a POV, it should not have been removed. Put the photo in, explain what conclusions one side wants us to draw from the photo, and explain the reasons the other side does not draw those conclusions.
Stop trying to NPOV by eliminating stuff! That's not right. We NPOV by contextualizing! Jdavidb 03:55, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Terri spends most of her time in a non responsive state, the circulated pictures were taken at convient times to cause the view to draw the conclusion that Terri is consious.
Okay, so what's wrong with just saying that? If seeing the picture plus hearing that fact was enough to convince you, shouldn't Wikipedia readers deserve the same treatment? Obviously somehow this got magically put into context for you without seeing opposing pictures. I'm not asking for anything other than for all the information that was available to you to be made available in the article. Jdavidb 04:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Did the previous Talk discussion come to a consensus? Jdavidb 04:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Jdavidb 04:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I fixed two typos and added Category:Core issues in ethics. -- ThomasK 10:07, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
I added back Category:Core issues in ethics.-- ThomasK 13:39, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
In the 1992 malpractice case, the doctors under suit never thought to bring up abuse by Mr. Schiavo as a defense of them. Subsequently, he has been judicially cleared of suspicion on charges of sexual abuse and battery. Therefore, claiming that he battered or raped his wife is POV and not welcome. DO NOT put such idle and unnecessary speculation back in the article. Iceberg3k 14:28, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is any truth to the claims her husband has about $1million in life insurance policies (supposedly taken out on her by her husband a year b4 her bulimia incident) and what the implications will be for this is she were to die due to the removal of the feeding tube? If it's totally BS, I personally think it's worth saying that there are no life insurance policies since it's an oft made claim
I notice the link to how she would die by AP is gone. Is there any reason for this? I appreciate it's mentioned briefly in the article but I would have thought it still worthy of inclusion due to the detail
I could be wrong but I was under the impression ad-hoc pronouncions were discouraged in favour of IUPAC (did I spell that right) but I only see an ad-hoc pronounciation here...
Having read the article, I wonder if some parts need to be rewritten to indicate one of the aspects of most court rulings and controversial especially among conservatives is not just what her condition really is but whether anyone should have the right do overide the husbands wishes. It is alluded to in the article but I think it may need to be made clearer that this is another key aspect of the case, not just her condition.
The article says her gastric feeding tube is not a nasogastric tube. Rather than learning what it is not, I would prefer to learn what it is, especially since gastric feeding tube doesn't list any other types. AxelBoldt 19:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You do not do your cause any good by vandalizing either the article or the talk page. Iceberg3k 20:44, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, which removed The Schindlers' legal fight has been and continues to be funded by a variety of sources on the political right ( [1]) with the edit summary NPOV. The funding of the legal battle, if mentioned, should be mentioned for both parties. Unless I'm misunderstanding the text, isn't Mr. Schiavo's legal battle funded by the $1,050,000 from the malpractice suit? — Mar ka ci 2005-03-23 T 23:32 Z
I've corrected the pronunciation of the name. It's skee-AH-voh, not SHY-voh. The name is of Italian origin and means "slave." — Cantus… ☎ 02:18, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
I changed it back. Michael says it and he's the one who knows how to pronounce it. Saopaulo1 02:20, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
He can pronounce it however he wants to. Saopaulo1 02:25, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
I have attempted a compromise: "pronounced SHY-voh by her husband Michael; however the correct Italian pronunciation is skee-AH-voh" — Cantus… ☎ 02:30, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Snipped this from some fox news blog:
Dear Ms. Van Susteren,
It pains me to listen to newscasters, you included, grossly mispronouncing repeatedly Terri Schiavo' s name. The Italian name Schiavo is pronounced "Skiavo" in the upper class and "Shiavo" on the street, NOT "Shaivo" as careless newscasters mispronounce. Please make the necessary corrections...
Respectfully,
Arik Samson
So now there's three pronounciations.. Just write pronounced (option1 or option2 or option3). If a large amount of people "mispronounces" a word that pronounciation should be recognised. As it is with nu-cu-lear.
Preisler 02:59, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Seems as though the Italian pronunciation of Terri and Michael Schiavo's last name is one of the less relevant things we could include in this article. Brodo 03:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The "correct" Italian pronunciation of her name is irrelevant to the article, and should be removed. If Michael pronounces it SHY-voh, that's the way it should be pronounced when referring to him. If other people with the same last name pronounce it skee-AH-voh, then that's the way it should be pronounced when referring to them. -- Azkar 04:06, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Quite honestly, and isn't this obvious, the way that it's pronounced in standard Italian is UTTERLY and TOTALLY irrelevant to this article. What matters is how the family - an American family - pronounces it. Are there seriously people who would disagree with that?? Moncrief 04:13, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
The "common" pronounciation ... ? -- Baylink 04:23, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It is pretty obvious to anyone who has heard more surnames than just "Smith" and "Jones" that the same spellings render different pronunciations all over the world. The "correct" pronunciation is that used by her or her parents. There are other "correct" pronunciations, which other families may use. There is no correct pronunciation. -- BRIAN 0918 04:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
However, I still think an IPA pronounciation should replace the ad-hoc one. For those of you who don't know, the reason for this is IPA pronounciations are reader neutral. The way a Brit is going to pronounce SHY-voh is different from the way an Indian will pronounce SHY-voh is different from the way it should be pronounced which is with the American pronounciation used by her husband. -- anon
BTW, I should add one thing we should ask is altho I doubt we will find out is how did she pronounce the name? If she pronounced it differently then we need to include both pronounciations!--anon
Of course it's reasonable. Never met a family who, unless a speech impediment was involved, didn't pronounce their own name consistenly. Preisler 05:23, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Someone has duplicated the article and a doctor is called a quack. Altho he is undoutedtly a quack, it isn't necessary to say so. let the evidence speak for it self! -- anon
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I have just begun a new effort at copyediting. Please revert any unintentional errors. A few questions. 1) Can the nasogastric quote go in the 2nd para.? 2) Is there a problem with referring to her as Terri or will only Mrs Schiavo be acceptable? There is inconsistency in the text (e.g. a lack of "Mrs" before her name); in many works it is acceptable to vary btw. first and last name for variety, which I have proposed here. Please change it if this is wrong. 3) No doubt there are other issues. I apologize if I have overstepped anywhere. ~Dpr 22 Mar 0500 UTC
Corrected date of ending of therapy.
According to Dr. Wolfson's report, intensive therapy continued through 1994, not 1992 as this article originally stated.-- Ringmaster 05:51, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, user:Dhartung, for adding pronunciation. I knew that was necessary but wasn't sure what to put. ~DPR
Are we attempting to portray a before-and-after presentation here? That may not be the best thing (nor most respectful). Besides, the photo of her today as show is a little jarring, perhaps. There must be another with her slightly more...at peace? ~DPR, 0730 UTC
The only real thing needed to be discused hear is that if it brings her family comfort to keep her alive so be it. Since she is in a vegetative state it isn't like she cares that she is being held alive. Your right she isn't responding to her mom but thats not what matters
You know, I said exactly what to do yesterday, but noone paid attention. Even if one photo allegedly shows a POV, it should not have been removed. Put the photo in, explain what conclusions one side wants us to draw from the photo, and explain the reasons the other side does not draw those conclusions.
Stop trying to NPOV by eliminating stuff! That's not right. We NPOV by contextualizing! Jdavidb 03:55, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Terri spends most of her time in a non responsive state, the circulated pictures were taken at convient times to cause the view to draw the conclusion that Terri is consious.
Okay, so what's wrong with just saying that? If seeing the picture plus hearing that fact was enough to convince you, shouldn't Wikipedia readers deserve the same treatment? Obviously somehow this got magically put into context for you without seeing opposing pictures. I'm not asking for anything other than for all the information that was available to you to be made available in the article. Jdavidb 04:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Did the previous Talk discussion come to a consensus? Jdavidb 04:26, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Jdavidb 04:46, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I fixed two typos and added Category:Core issues in ethics. -- ThomasK 10:07, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
I added back Category:Core issues in ethics.-- ThomasK 13:39, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
In the 1992 malpractice case, the doctors under suit never thought to bring up abuse by Mr. Schiavo as a defense of them. Subsequently, he has been judicially cleared of suspicion on charges of sexual abuse and battery. Therefore, claiming that he battered or raped his wife is POV and not welcome. DO NOT put such idle and unnecessary speculation back in the article. Iceberg3k 14:28, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know if there is any truth to the claims her husband has about $1million in life insurance policies (supposedly taken out on her by her husband a year b4 her bulimia incident) and what the implications will be for this is she were to die due to the removal of the feeding tube? If it's totally BS, I personally think it's worth saying that there are no life insurance policies since it's an oft made claim
I notice the link to how she would die by AP is gone. Is there any reason for this? I appreciate it's mentioned briefly in the article but I would have thought it still worthy of inclusion due to the detail
I could be wrong but I was under the impression ad-hoc pronouncions were discouraged in favour of IUPAC (did I spell that right) but I only see an ad-hoc pronounciation here...
Having read the article, I wonder if some parts need to be rewritten to indicate one of the aspects of most court rulings and controversial especially among conservatives is not just what her condition really is but whether anyone should have the right do overide the husbands wishes. It is alluded to in the article but I think it may need to be made clearer that this is another key aspect of the case, not just her condition.
The article says her gastric feeding tube is not a nasogastric tube. Rather than learning what it is not, I would prefer to learn what it is, especially since gastric feeding tube doesn't list any other types. AxelBoldt 19:07, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You do not do your cause any good by vandalizing either the article or the talk page. Iceberg3k 20:44, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, which removed The Schindlers' legal fight has been and continues to be funded by a variety of sources on the political right ( [1]) with the edit summary NPOV. The funding of the legal battle, if mentioned, should be mentioned for both parties. Unless I'm misunderstanding the text, isn't Mr. Schiavo's legal battle funded by the $1,050,000 from the malpractice suit? — Mar ka ci 2005-03-23 T 23:32 Z
I've corrected the pronunciation of the name. It's skee-AH-voh, not SHY-voh. The name is of Italian origin and means "slave." — Cantus… ☎ 02:18, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
I changed it back. Michael says it and he's the one who knows how to pronounce it. Saopaulo1 02:20, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
He can pronounce it however he wants to. Saopaulo1 02:25, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
I have attempted a compromise: "pronounced SHY-voh by her husband Michael; however the correct Italian pronunciation is skee-AH-voh" — Cantus… ☎ 02:30, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Snipped this from some fox news blog:
Dear Ms. Van Susteren,
It pains me to listen to newscasters, you included, grossly mispronouncing repeatedly Terri Schiavo' s name. The Italian name Schiavo is pronounced "Skiavo" in the upper class and "Shiavo" on the street, NOT "Shaivo" as careless newscasters mispronounce. Please make the necessary corrections...
Respectfully,
Arik Samson
So now there's three pronounciations.. Just write pronounced (option1 or option2 or option3). If a large amount of people "mispronounces" a word that pronounciation should be recognised. As it is with nu-cu-lear.
Preisler 02:59, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Seems as though the Italian pronunciation of Terri and Michael Schiavo's last name is one of the less relevant things we could include in this article. Brodo 03:15, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The "correct" Italian pronunciation of her name is irrelevant to the article, and should be removed. If Michael pronounces it SHY-voh, that's the way it should be pronounced when referring to him. If other people with the same last name pronounce it skee-AH-voh, then that's the way it should be pronounced when referring to them. -- Azkar 04:06, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Quite honestly, and isn't this obvious, the way that it's pronounced in standard Italian is UTTERLY and TOTALLY irrelevant to this article. What matters is how the family - an American family - pronounces it. Are there seriously people who would disagree with that?? Moncrief 04:13, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
The "common" pronounciation ... ? -- Baylink 04:23, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It is pretty obvious to anyone who has heard more surnames than just "Smith" and "Jones" that the same spellings render different pronunciations all over the world. The "correct" pronunciation is that used by her or her parents. There are other "correct" pronunciations, which other families may use. There is no correct pronunciation. -- BRIAN 0918 04:45, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
However, I still think an IPA pronounciation should replace the ad-hoc one. For those of you who don't know, the reason for this is IPA pronounciations are reader neutral. The way a Brit is going to pronounce SHY-voh is different from the way an Indian will pronounce SHY-voh is different from the way it should be pronounced which is with the American pronounciation used by her husband. -- anon
BTW, I should add one thing we should ask is altho I doubt we will find out is how did she pronounce the name? If she pronounced it differently then we need to include both pronounciations!--anon
Of course it's reasonable. Never met a family who, unless a speech impediment was involved, didn't pronounce their own name consistenly. Preisler 05:23, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Someone has duplicated the article and a doctor is called a quack. Altho he is undoutedtly a quack, it isn't necessary to say so. let the evidence speak for it self! -- anon