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Article: de:Ternopil Corresponding English-language article: Ternopil Worth doing because: famous shtetl and no article Originally Requested by: --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 04:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC) Status: translation finished Lectonar 08:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC) Other notes: Supported:
I deleted the jew history paragraph because a city in a country is not a "jew related stub" as the previuos version said. That information about jewish history should be placed in another article. I will add relevant information in the future.
Vasyl Avramenko was not born in Ternopil. If anything, he may have passed through there later in life, but I don't have that information at this moment. I will remove him unless there's a reason to keep him. With that in mind, what do the other names signify, and are they from the same source as the one that listed Avramenko?
Can the Jewish Tarnopol paragraph be integrated with the rest of the article? Right now it looks segregated like an alternate history.--
tufkaa
22:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
"In 1939 it was a city of 40,000; 50% of the population was Polish, 10% Ukrainian and most of the remaining part was Jewish."
I can't find the source of this. Does anyone have this? --
Jeroenvrp
23:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Currently there is a huge footnote explaining in short words what happened in 1918. However, it's definitely biased and full of errors.
// Halibu tt 20:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Would the residents of Ternopil/Tarnopol have been considered Polish citizens in the years 1918-1920? Kaiser matias 22:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
For me as a Pole it's an insult,not the first and last one on Wikipedia,the Jew and German pushing medium,that there's no talk of its Polishness,how the city was for centuries (!) part of Poland,how it was funded,built and defended by Poles and the scale of its links with Polishness;yet there is a whole paragraph about Jews!Could someone tell me why Wikipedia is writing about places thoroughly linked with Poles and Poland like about a city with no links to my nation?The Germans are pushing their agenda full scale on topics related to western Poland and there are hords of germanophiles on the English Wikipedia and they also want to erase every notion of Polishness east of the Bug river.In short their agenda is that:extend German propaganda wherever it is possible (and where it is not!) and at the same time belittle Polish rule east of the Bug river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.9.72.14 ( talk) 21:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I am removing the German and Russian naming conventions from the lead per WP:UNDUE and WP:LEADCLUTTER. The German (well, actually Austro-Hungarian) and Russian connection is in the body of the article, and is not relevant to recent history. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 22:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
"being challenged several times", the only challenger was you alone. You've yet to convince me that it's WP:DUE for the lead. No one else is participating in this discussion, therefore how could I
"... clearly like to make controversial edits and insist on them..."? Also note that you are violating WP:NPA in drawing negative conclusions as to my character. We're discussing the content in the lead, yet you're constant reverts with lack of policy-based arguments would indicate that you're treating the subject matter as a WP:BATTLEGROUND. I have no objections to the naming conventions being mentioned in the body of the article, but fail to see why they are of relevance in such a brief lead. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 23:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Kingdom of Poland 1540–1569
Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth 1569-1772
Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria 1772–1804
Austrian Empire 1804–1809
Russian Empire 1809–1815
Austrian Empire 1815–1867
Austro-Hungarian Empire 1867-1918
West Ukrainian People's Republic 1918-1919
Ukrainian People's Republic 1919-1920
Poland 1920-1939
Soviet Union 1939–1941
Nazi Germany 1941–1944
Soviet Union 1944–1991
Ukraine 1991–present
I made a timeline and this little box. Debating on which one to throw into the article. I want to include the month and days into here but I feel as if it would be too much.
155.247.166.28 (
talk)
21:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I suggest the use of "Association" instead of affiliation then. I would also suggest checking the english 'Lviv' page which has a similar timeline. Ternopil has a complex history of numerous powers ruling over it over the years and I think it helps people orient themselves.
129.32.224.78 (
talk)
19:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Searching 'Historical affiliations' in Wikipedia brings about more than a few dozen city/town articles with the same exact phrasing with no issues from any users of using this word on the talk pages. I will reinstate this unless there is any objection. 129.32.224.73 ( talk) 23:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Camenca /info/en/?search=Aurich /info/en/?search=Cottbus /info/en/?search=Weißenfels /info/en/?search=Rîbnița /info/en/?search=Emden /info/en/?search=Meissen /info/en/?search=Sangerhausen /info/en/?search=Freiberg /info/en/?search=Bautzen /info/en/?search=Merseburg /info/en/?search=Timeline_of_Wrocław /info/en/?search=Timeline_of_Bydgoszcz /info/en/?search=Lebus /info/en/?search=Marijampolė /info/en/?search=Friedland,_Brandenburg /info/en/?search=Bielefeld /info/en/?search=Köpenick /info/en/?search=Wittenberg /info/en/?search=Belaya_Kalitva /info/en/?search=Donetsk,_Russia /info/en/?search=Salsk /info/en/?search=Krasny_Sulin /info/en/?search=Müncheberg /info/en/?search=Valletta /info/en/?search=Tadjoura
These are some examples of articles using the term. I will switch the term to 'Associations' and include the box into the article 72.94.101.244 ( talk) 23:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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This is the town where Irene Gut helped Jews during WWII. 164.47.187.32 ( talk) 19:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
The history section of this article is long enough to merit its own article. See also Ukrainian-language article: History of Ternopil. Thoughts? -- M2545 ( talk) 10:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Please leave only the translations of the name of the city in Ukrainian since it's a Ukrainian city and in English which is an international language, the article is written in English. At least you can delete the ruzzian and belaruzzian translations, it has no place in the article, as a Ukrainian I find offensive and disrespectful.
Thank you very much in advance.
Kind regards, P.Lykhoviter ( talk) 20:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
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Article: de:Ternopil Corresponding English-language article: Ternopil Worth doing because: famous shtetl and no article Originally Requested by: --Sheynhertz-Unbayg 04:38, 12 July 2005 (UTC) Status: translation finished Lectonar 08:20, 14 July 2005 (UTC) Other notes: Supported:
I deleted the jew history paragraph because a city in a country is not a "jew related stub" as the previuos version said. That information about jewish history should be placed in another article. I will add relevant information in the future.
Vasyl Avramenko was not born in Ternopil. If anything, he may have passed through there later in life, but I don't have that information at this moment. I will remove him unless there's a reason to keep him. With that in mind, what do the other names signify, and are they from the same source as the one that listed Avramenko?
Can the Jewish Tarnopol paragraph be integrated with the rest of the article? Right now it looks segregated like an alternate history.--
tufkaa
22:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
"In 1939 it was a city of 40,000; 50% of the population was Polish, 10% Ukrainian and most of the remaining part was Jewish."
I can't find the source of this. Does anyone have this? --
Jeroenvrp
23:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Currently there is a huge footnote explaining in short words what happened in 1918. However, it's definitely biased and full of errors.
// Halibu tt 20:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Would the residents of Ternopil/Tarnopol have been considered Polish citizens in the years 1918-1920? Kaiser matias 22:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
For me as a Pole it's an insult,not the first and last one on Wikipedia,the Jew and German pushing medium,that there's no talk of its Polishness,how the city was for centuries (!) part of Poland,how it was funded,built and defended by Poles and the scale of its links with Polishness;yet there is a whole paragraph about Jews!Could someone tell me why Wikipedia is writing about places thoroughly linked with Poles and Poland like about a city with no links to my nation?The Germans are pushing their agenda full scale on topics related to western Poland and there are hords of germanophiles on the English Wikipedia and they also want to erase every notion of Polishness east of the Bug river.In short their agenda is that:extend German propaganda wherever it is possible (and where it is not!) and at the same time belittle Polish rule east of the Bug river. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.9.72.14 ( talk) 21:59, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I am removing the German and Russian naming conventions from the lead per WP:UNDUE and WP:LEADCLUTTER. The German (well, actually Austro-Hungarian) and Russian connection is in the body of the article, and is not relevant to recent history. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 22:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
"being challenged several times", the only challenger was you alone. You've yet to convince me that it's WP:DUE for the lead. No one else is participating in this discussion, therefore how could I
"... clearly like to make controversial edits and insist on them..."? Also note that you are violating WP:NPA in drawing negative conclusions as to my character. We're discussing the content in the lead, yet you're constant reverts with lack of policy-based arguments would indicate that you're treating the subject matter as a WP:BATTLEGROUND. I have no objections to the naming conventions being mentioned in the body of the article, but fail to see why they are of relevance in such a brief lead. -- Iryna Harpy ( talk) 23:25, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Kingdom of Poland 1540–1569
Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth 1569-1772
Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria 1772–1804
Austrian Empire 1804–1809
Russian Empire 1809–1815
Austrian Empire 1815–1867
Austro-Hungarian Empire 1867-1918
West Ukrainian People's Republic 1918-1919
Ukrainian People's Republic 1919-1920
Poland 1920-1939
Soviet Union 1939–1941
Nazi Germany 1941–1944
Soviet Union 1944–1991
Ukraine 1991–present
I made a timeline and this little box. Debating on which one to throw into the article. I want to include the month and days into here but I feel as if it would be too much.
155.247.166.28 (
talk)
21:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
I suggest the use of "Association" instead of affiliation then. I would also suggest checking the english 'Lviv' page which has a similar timeline. Ternopil has a complex history of numerous powers ruling over it over the years and I think it helps people orient themselves.
129.32.224.78 (
talk)
19:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
Searching 'Historical affiliations' in Wikipedia brings about more than a few dozen city/town articles with the same exact phrasing with no issues from any users of using this word on the talk pages. I will reinstate this unless there is any objection. 129.32.224.73 ( talk) 23:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Camenca /info/en/?search=Aurich /info/en/?search=Cottbus /info/en/?search=Weißenfels /info/en/?search=Rîbnița /info/en/?search=Emden /info/en/?search=Meissen /info/en/?search=Sangerhausen /info/en/?search=Freiberg /info/en/?search=Bautzen /info/en/?search=Merseburg /info/en/?search=Timeline_of_Wrocław /info/en/?search=Timeline_of_Bydgoszcz /info/en/?search=Lebus /info/en/?search=Marijampolė /info/en/?search=Friedland,_Brandenburg /info/en/?search=Bielefeld /info/en/?search=Köpenick /info/en/?search=Wittenberg /info/en/?search=Belaya_Kalitva /info/en/?search=Donetsk,_Russia /info/en/?search=Salsk /info/en/?search=Krasny_Sulin /info/en/?search=Müncheberg /info/en/?search=Valletta /info/en/?search=Tadjoura
These are some examples of articles using the term. I will switch the term to 'Associations' and include the box into the article 72.94.101.244 ( talk) 23:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
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This is the town where Irene Gut helped Jews during WWII. 164.47.187.32 ( talk) 19:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikiexplorationandhelping ( talk) 14:52, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
The history section of this article is long enough to merit its own article. See also Ukrainian-language article: History of Ternopil. Thoughts? -- M2545 ( talk) 10:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Please leave only the translations of the name of the city in Ukrainian since it's a Ukrainian city and in English which is an international language, the article is written in English. At least you can delete the ruzzian and belaruzzian translations, it has no place in the article, as a Ukrainian I find offensive and disrespectful.
Thank you very much in advance.
Kind regards, P.Lykhoviter ( talk) 20:41, 23 June 2023 (UTC)