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The concepts of 'time inversion', the Algorithm, and the various future technologies used to invert the flow of time all point to Tenet being in the science fiction genre. It is as much a part of the sci-fi action genre as Inception is. Tenet should be classified as a science fiction spy film on Wikipedia. Why isn't it? It's not a straight spy film like the James Bond films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blacktargumby ( talk • contribs) 01:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Friends, the main concept of this film is science fiction. The film's concept revolves around 'inversion' which is a type of time travel/time manipulation. So yes, it is a science fiction as well as it's a spy thriller. There's also Spy-Fi, which is a blend of spy thrillers and science fiction. -Okiegolf55
@ Debresser: You don't WP:OWN the lead. You're not winning on personal opinion alone. If we're going by Google numbers, as you did in the previous discussion, action film is the genre most widely circulated. We only changed it to spy film because it's only reasonable that the director take precedent. I would be in favor of just changing it to action film, or better yet removing any genre, seeing as this is never going anywhere. Removal seems like a solution that would end this whole thing. Cognissonance ( talk) 08:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
I watched the movie in a traditional giant IMAX auditorium with a laser projector. The movie expanded to the full height (1.44:1 aspect ratio) several times. The sound mix was equally bad as the 35mm prints mentioned on the page. The dialogue was frequently muffled or lower in volume than the music or sound effects. As crazy as it may sound, Nolan may've intended it to be that way (same as Interstellar). 70.112.229.80 ( talk) 19:40, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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Please add link to 70 mm article in the third paragraph ("... September 3, 2020, in IMAX, 35 mm, and 70 mm.") ( 70 mm). Dmaroulidis ( talk) 12:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
These articles all imply that there is no 'Protagonist' rank within the Tenet organization. One uses the term 'code name'. These came from a quick Google search. https://www.dailyherald.com/entlife/20200902/does-christopher-nolans-tenet-live-up-to-the-hype https://slate.com/culture/2020/09/tenet-explained-christopher-nolan-movie-ending-spoilers.html https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/tenet-movie-plot-explained/ https://www.dailysabah.com/arts/reviews/tenet-nolans-visually-spectacular-hyped-espionage-cliche https://www.owensbororadio.com/2020/09/04/john-david-washington-says-the-physical-demands-in-tenet-encouraged-him-to-do-more-rom-coms/ https://www.theoaklandpress.com/entertainment/review-director-christopher-nolans-tenet-is-the-cinematic-escape-we-needed-in-2020/article_84389ca2-ed34-11ea-ba31-ff091d274a2d.html
Certainly, there is no "Protagonist" rank within the Tenet organization. Each person's role is compartmentalized. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 02:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
No doubt physics plays an integral role in this film, and this article is not doing its job without at least a brief section of reliable commentary on the relevant physics — without succumbing to made-up rantings and speculation. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 13:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
These topics are relevant:
(Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 14:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
For example, something like: ==Scientific accuracy== {{see| Maxwell's demon}} While the film's plot revolves around reversing the [[entropy]] of things and people resulting in [[time reversibility]], and characters mention concepts including the [[one-electron universe]], Nolan stated "we’re not going to make any case for this being scientifically accurate” in the film’s press notes.<ref>[https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-09-04/science-christopher-nolan-tenet-physicist-interview How real is the science in Christopher Nolan’s ‘Tenet’? We asked an expert] ''[[Los Angeles Times]]'' EMILY ZEMLER, 2020-09-04</ref> (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 15:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
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The critics praised the movie's cinematography and musical score Dennis Ngo ( talk) 20:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I think I made a number of copyediting improvements to this article, but they have been reverted.
Some examples:
Over 100 vessels and thousands of extras were used.(my edit) has returned to
In excess of a hundred vessels and thousands of extras were brought into play during filming.Same information, more words (and metaphorical language - "brought into play" - we should use plain English).
The lack of other films afforded it more screens per multiplex(my edit) has returned to
The paucity of available movies afforded it more screens per multiplex than would otherwise be possible.Same information, more words.
The first trailer was published online in December, when a cinema-exclusive prologue played in certain IMAX theaters before Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. The latter was introduced during Indian IMAX screenings of Birds of Prey in February 2020.It's not at all clear what "the latter" is here. The first trailer? The cinema-exclusive prologue? Star Wars? I had to check the sources to understand this.
The first trailer was published online in December, when a cinema-exclusive prologue played in certain IMAX theaters before Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. In India, the prologue was played during IMAX screenings of Birds of Prey in February 2020.
Disappointed with the Royal Swedish Opera as a potential spot for the Kiev Opera House, it was switched to the Linnahall, which fit Crowley's affinity for Brutalist architecture.Exactly who is disappointed in this sentence? At the moment it literally says that the Royal Swedish Opera was disappointed with itself, which I don't think is the intention.
promoted in the video game Fortnite's Party Royale mode.What is Fortnite and what is its Party Royale Mode? We cannot assume our readers know this.
some criticized the confusing plotThis presupposes that the plot is confusing instead of positing it as the opinion of critics. See the WP:RECEPTION essay for more on this problem.
As for the claim in the edit summary that "repetition of words is bad prose", I'm not sure which words you mean here, but please see the essay The problem with elegant variation, as I suspect it's relevant.
Please reconsider the revert. Popcornfud ( talk) 18:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
The current text reads:
The Protagonist notices a red trinket on Neil's rucksack. Neil reveals that he was recruited by the Protagonist years earlier, and this mission is the end of a long friendship.
However, Neil is recruited by the Protagonist in the future, and the years of their friendship are only remembered by Neil, whereas the Protagonist feels like he has only recently met Neil. A better description might be:
The Protagonist notices a red trinket on Neil's rucksack. Neil reveals that he will be recruited by the Protagonist years in the future, and this mission is the end of a long friendship from Neil's perspective.
2600:6C67:2280:21CA:F955:337F:600A:8C12 ( talk) 05:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to personally thank the team of WP-contributing physicists, puzzle-masters and forensic screenwriters who volunteered to watch TENET multiple times, valiantly tried to create a coherent description of its plot, then had the humility to ring up Chris Nolan for help. 😁 – AndyFielding ( talk) 07:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes - It's important to list Tenet as a member of the spy genre given the content of the film itself as well as director Christopher Nolan's statements regarding how the spy genre influenced the film and how he intended it to be a subversion of said genre (:: [1] [2]). While the film's action-thriller and science fiction elements arguably outweigh those of the spy genre, they don't nearly to the degree it becomes a negligible part of its' identity. Also, as noted previously on this page, action-thriller is not a substitute for spy film or vice versa. As neither genre innately entails the other. Azim Abou-Khalil ( talk) 22:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
It was a rhetorical question, then? Yes, it was. – AndyFielding ( talk) 07:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Why is this a separate section? And if it should be a separate section, why does it refer to the section above? And Popcornfud, please be a bit less dramatic in your posts. Also, Popcornfud, contrary to what you say, MOSLFILMLEAD does not say to have only one genre. That misunderstanding has been refuted already. Debresser ( talk) 22:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
The "action-thriller and science fiction film" classifications are the result of months of discussing guidelines and concerns. We don't need any more essays repeating the same points that were already made in said consensus building. Cognissonance ( talk) 13:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
At their Q3 earnings call, the CEO of AT&T said that Tenet was not a "home run" commercially. Shouldn't this be added to the box-office section? PinpointJoker57 ( talk) 11:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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The concepts of 'time inversion', the Algorithm, and the various future technologies used to invert the flow of time all point to Tenet being in the science fiction genre. It is as much a part of the sci-fi action genre as Inception is. Tenet should be classified as a science fiction spy film on Wikipedia. Why isn't it? It's not a straight spy film like the James Bond films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blacktargumby ( talk • contribs) 01:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Friends, the main concept of this film is science fiction. The film's concept revolves around 'inversion' which is a type of time travel/time manipulation. So yes, it is a science fiction as well as it's a spy thriller. There's also Spy-Fi, which is a blend of spy thrillers and science fiction. -Okiegolf55
@ Debresser: You don't WP:OWN the lead. You're not winning on personal opinion alone. If we're going by Google numbers, as you did in the previous discussion, action film is the genre most widely circulated. We only changed it to spy film because it's only reasonable that the director take precedent. I would be in favor of just changing it to action film, or better yet removing any genre, seeing as this is never going anywhere. Removal seems like a solution that would end this whole thing. Cognissonance ( talk) 08:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
I watched the movie in a traditional giant IMAX auditorium with a laser projector. The movie expanded to the full height (1.44:1 aspect ratio) several times. The sound mix was equally bad as the 35mm prints mentioned on the page. The dialogue was frequently muffled or lower in volume than the music or sound effects. As crazy as it may sound, Nolan may've intended it to be that way (same as Interstellar). 70.112.229.80 ( talk) 19:40, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
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Please add link to 70 mm article in the third paragraph ("... September 3, 2020, in IMAX, 35 mm, and 70 mm.") ( 70 mm). Dmaroulidis ( talk) 12:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
These articles all imply that there is no 'Protagonist' rank within the Tenet organization. One uses the term 'code name'. These came from a quick Google search. https://www.dailyherald.com/entlife/20200902/does-christopher-nolans-tenet-live-up-to-the-hype https://slate.com/culture/2020/09/tenet-explained-christopher-nolan-movie-ending-spoilers.html https://www.studiobinder.com/blog/tenet-movie-plot-explained/ https://www.dailysabah.com/arts/reviews/tenet-nolans-visually-spectacular-hyped-espionage-cliche https://www.owensbororadio.com/2020/09/04/john-david-washington-says-the-physical-demands-in-tenet-encouraged-him-to-do-more-rom-coms/ https://www.theoaklandpress.com/entertainment/review-director-christopher-nolans-tenet-is-the-cinematic-escape-we-needed-in-2020/article_84389ca2-ed34-11ea-ba31-ff091d274a2d.html
Certainly, there is no "Protagonist" rank within the Tenet organization. Each person's role is compartmentalized. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 02:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
No doubt physics plays an integral role in this film, and this article is not doing its job without at least a brief section of reliable commentary on the relevant physics — without succumbing to made-up rantings and speculation. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 13:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
These topics are relevant:
(Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 14:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
For example, something like: ==Scientific accuracy== {{see| Maxwell's demon}} While the film's plot revolves around reversing the [[entropy]] of things and people resulting in [[time reversibility]], and characters mention concepts including the [[one-electron universe]], Nolan stated "we’re not going to make any case for this being scientifically accurate” in the film’s press notes.<ref>[https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2020-09-04/science-christopher-nolan-tenet-physicist-interview How real is the science in Christopher Nolan’s ‘Tenet’? We asked an expert] ''[[Los Angeles Times]]'' EMILY ZEMLER, 2020-09-04</ref> (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 15:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Tenet (film) has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The critics praised the movie's cinematography and musical score Dennis Ngo ( talk) 20:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I think I made a number of copyediting improvements to this article, but they have been reverted.
Some examples:
Over 100 vessels and thousands of extras were used.(my edit) has returned to
In excess of a hundred vessels and thousands of extras were brought into play during filming.Same information, more words (and metaphorical language - "brought into play" - we should use plain English).
The lack of other films afforded it more screens per multiplex(my edit) has returned to
The paucity of available movies afforded it more screens per multiplex than would otherwise be possible.Same information, more words.
The first trailer was published online in December, when a cinema-exclusive prologue played in certain IMAX theaters before Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. The latter was introduced during Indian IMAX screenings of Birds of Prey in February 2020.It's not at all clear what "the latter" is here. The first trailer? The cinema-exclusive prologue? Star Wars? I had to check the sources to understand this.
The first trailer was published online in December, when a cinema-exclusive prologue played in certain IMAX theaters before Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker. In India, the prologue was played during IMAX screenings of Birds of Prey in February 2020.
Disappointed with the Royal Swedish Opera as a potential spot for the Kiev Opera House, it was switched to the Linnahall, which fit Crowley's affinity for Brutalist architecture.Exactly who is disappointed in this sentence? At the moment it literally says that the Royal Swedish Opera was disappointed with itself, which I don't think is the intention.
promoted in the video game Fortnite's Party Royale mode.What is Fortnite and what is its Party Royale Mode? We cannot assume our readers know this.
some criticized the confusing plotThis presupposes that the plot is confusing instead of positing it as the opinion of critics. See the WP:RECEPTION essay for more on this problem.
As for the claim in the edit summary that "repetition of words is bad prose", I'm not sure which words you mean here, but please see the essay The problem with elegant variation, as I suspect it's relevant.
Please reconsider the revert. Popcornfud ( talk) 18:32, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
The current text reads:
The Protagonist notices a red trinket on Neil's rucksack. Neil reveals that he was recruited by the Protagonist years earlier, and this mission is the end of a long friendship.
However, Neil is recruited by the Protagonist in the future, and the years of their friendship are only remembered by Neil, whereas the Protagonist feels like he has only recently met Neil. A better description might be:
The Protagonist notices a red trinket on Neil's rucksack. Neil reveals that he will be recruited by the Protagonist years in the future, and this mission is the end of a long friendship from Neil's perspective.
2600:6C67:2280:21CA:F955:337F:600A:8C12 ( talk) 05:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to personally thank the team of WP-contributing physicists, puzzle-masters and forensic screenwriters who volunteered to watch TENET multiple times, valiantly tried to create a coherent description of its plot, then had the humility to ring up Chris Nolan for help. 😁 – AndyFielding ( talk) 07:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes - It's important to list Tenet as a member of the spy genre given the content of the film itself as well as director Christopher Nolan's statements regarding how the spy genre influenced the film and how he intended it to be a subversion of said genre (:: [1] [2]). While the film's action-thriller and science fiction elements arguably outweigh those of the spy genre, they don't nearly to the degree it becomes a negligible part of its' identity. Also, as noted previously on this page, action-thriller is not a substitute for spy film or vice versa. As neither genre innately entails the other. Azim Abou-Khalil ( talk) 22:26, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
It was a rhetorical question, then? Yes, it was. – AndyFielding ( talk) 07:53, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Why is this a separate section? And if it should be a separate section, why does it refer to the section above? And Popcornfud, please be a bit less dramatic in your posts. Also, Popcornfud, contrary to what you say, MOSLFILMLEAD does not say to have only one genre. That misunderstanding has been refuted already. Debresser ( talk) 22:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
The "action-thriller and science fiction film" classifications are the result of months of discussing guidelines and concerns. We don't need any more essays repeating the same points that were already made in said consensus building. Cognissonance ( talk) 13:43, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
At their Q3 earnings call, the CEO of AT&T said that Tenet was not a "home run" commercially. Shouldn't this be added to the box-office section? PinpointJoker57 ( talk) 11:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)