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5 of the 6 sources provided are inaccessible, either to page restriction/need for subscription/crashed website/etc.. And the sixth one that does open, it does not support the claim it makes "Today the power plant and the destroyed village of Tel Or are located on the Jordanian side". Sources are needed for this "company town" notion.
On the other hand, there were nearby places on the Palestinian side of the border, such as Gesher (also called Jisr el Majami, which was the name of the bridge over the river). But maybe I'm missing something; I'm editing in a hurry. Zero talk 10:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
The area around the projected site of the powerhouse was renamed Tel Or (“Hill of Light,” in Hebrew)...As construction at Tel Or got underway in 1927...The name of the worksite itself, Tel Or..." If you search for Naharayim/Naharaim and Tel Or together at Google Books, you will find many sources that write "Naharayim (Tel Or)". One of them is cited by you above: at the top of the page it says "Naharayim (Tel Or)" and at the bottom of the page it says Naharayim was in Transjordan. (There seems to be a contradiction on that page.) The most detailed maps made by the British during the Mandate, and also the Palestine Index Gazetteer (the Palestine Government's official list of place names), consider Naharayim and Tel Or to be the same: example. Other sources consider Tel Or to be the name of the Jewish workers' camp for the power station. This 1954 Israeli map shows where the camp was located (the row of + signs along the Jordan and Yarmuk Rivers is the pre-1948 Palestine-Transjordan boundary, and the wide green line is the 1949 armistice line). In both types of source, Tel Or was in Transjordan. Now, two sources that explicitly place Tel Or in Transjordan. (1) "Harnessing the Jordan", The Times, Feb 25, 1929, p11: "
All the High Commissioners have visited the works at Tel Or ('Hill of Light'), including Sir John Chancellor. The Emir Abdullah has also visited them recently, for the works are in his territory." (2) This Belgian thesis records an interview with the coordinator of the Jordan River Rehabilitation Project: "Tel Or was namelijk de eerste Joodse nederzetting in de regio en de enige ooit op Jordaans grondgebied." Translation: "
Tel Or was the first Jewish settlement in the region and the only one on Jordanian territory." Personally I believe the map evidence is overwhelming proof, but as I have demonstrated textual evidence doesn't really disagree. Zero talk 09:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Israel never claimed sovereignty over Peace Island, only that it was on the Israeli side of the armistice line. For this article that is only peripheral information, since neither the Tel Or site nor the power station site lie in Peace Island. Both those sites were on the Jordan side of the armistice line (look at the 1954 map by the Survey of Israel here to see the Israel version of where the armistice line stood in relation to the international border; Jordan disagreed, by the way) and under full Jordanian control without a break from 1948 to now. The portion of Jordan called Peace Island given special treatment in the 1994 treaty is show by the dark line on this map annexed to the treaty. It does not include the power station site or Tel Or. Zero talk 00:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Incidentally, there is a difference between "Peace Island" and "Peace Park". The map here makes the relationship clearer. The small part called Peace Island on that map matches the 1994 treaty. It would be fine to say that Tel Or lies in Peace Park (not Island) except I'm not sure if Peace Park officially exists yet. That web site shows a proposal, and this site describes it as under development. Zero talk 00:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
To editor
Greyshark09: About these sentences: Today the power plant and the destroyed village of Tel Or are located on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border. The remains of the power station are part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the
Island of Peace on the Israel-Jordan border.
Probably I should have just reworded the first sentence rather than deleting it, but the second has multiple problems. I don't like "Today" as it seems to imply it was not the case in the past, but in fact both sites were on the Trans/Jordanian side of the border from their time of construction until now. Also "part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the
Island of Peace" is wrong, as above, and the repetition of "Israel-Jordan border" is bad writing. Finally, is the much larger area "Peace Park" in official existence, or is it still a concept under development? If it has been officially opened it would be nice to have a source.
Zero
talk 04:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The remains of the power station together with the Island of Peace are part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border.GreyShark ( dibra) 11:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Answering your statement above, the Power Plant was on the border
: it is not true. The border followed the center of the Jordan River (defined in the Palestine Order in Council) and it is shown like that on official maps both during the Mandate and afterwards (Israeli example on the map I added). The river did not pass through the power station but to the west of it. On the map, the dark line along the east bank was concrete reinforcement to stop the river bank from collapsing (anyway it was and is in Jordan). Water flowed through the power station from the Yarmouk Reservoir then continued down the artificial race channel shown extending south until it reentered the Jordan River downstream.
Zero
talk 05:00, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
This image shows the layout quite well. The Yarmouk Reservoir is in the upper left and the Jordan River is in the lower left corner. Zero talk 05:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
This presentation shows the old buildings of Tel Or with the caption "The old workers housing complex – future ecolodges". Zero talk 12:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
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5 of the 6 sources provided are inaccessible, either to page restriction/need for subscription/crashed website/etc.. And the sixth one that does open, it does not support the claim it makes "Today the power plant and the destroyed village of Tel Or are located on the Jordanian side". Sources are needed for this "company town" notion.
On the other hand, there were nearby places on the Palestinian side of the border, such as Gesher (also called Jisr el Majami, which was the name of the bridge over the river). But maybe I'm missing something; I'm editing in a hurry. Zero talk 10:17, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
The area around the projected site of the powerhouse was renamed Tel Or (“Hill of Light,” in Hebrew)...As construction at Tel Or got underway in 1927...The name of the worksite itself, Tel Or..." If you search for Naharayim/Naharaim and Tel Or together at Google Books, you will find many sources that write "Naharayim (Tel Or)". One of them is cited by you above: at the top of the page it says "Naharayim (Tel Or)" and at the bottom of the page it says Naharayim was in Transjordan. (There seems to be a contradiction on that page.) The most detailed maps made by the British during the Mandate, and also the Palestine Index Gazetteer (the Palestine Government's official list of place names), consider Naharayim and Tel Or to be the same: example. Other sources consider Tel Or to be the name of the Jewish workers' camp for the power station. This 1954 Israeli map shows where the camp was located (the row of + signs along the Jordan and Yarmuk Rivers is the pre-1948 Palestine-Transjordan boundary, and the wide green line is the 1949 armistice line). In both types of source, Tel Or was in Transjordan. Now, two sources that explicitly place Tel Or in Transjordan. (1) "Harnessing the Jordan", The Times, Feb 25, 1929, p11: "
All the High Commissioners have visited the works at Tel Or ('Hill of Light'), including Sir John Chancellor. The Emir Abdullah has also visited them recently, for the works are in his territory." (2) This Belgian thesis records an interview with the coordinator of the Jordan River Rehabilitation Project: "Tel Or was namelijk de eerste Joodse nederzetting in de regio en de enige ooit op Jordaans grondgebied." Translation: "
Tel Or was the first Jewish settlement in the region and the only one on Jordanian territory." Personally I believe the map evidence is overwhelming proof, but as I have demonstrated textual evidence doesn't really disagree. Zero talk 09:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Israel never claimed sovereignty over Peace Island, only that it was on the Israeli side of the armistice line. For this article that is only peripheral information, since neither the Tel Or site nor the power station site lie in Peace Island. Both those sites were on the Jordan side of the armistice line (look at the 1954 map by the Survey of Israel here to see the Israel version of where the armistice line stood in relation to the international border; Jordan disagreed, by the way) and under full Jordanian control without a break from 1948 to now. The portion of Jordan called Peace Island given special treatment in the 1994 treaty is show by the dark line on this map annexed to the treaty. It does not include the power station site or Tel Or. Zero talk 00:27, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Incidentally, there is a difference between "Peace Island" and "Peace Park". The map here makes the relationship clearer. The small part called Peace Island on that map matches the 1994 treaty. It would be fine to say that Tel Or lies in Peace Park (not Island) except I'm not sure if Peace Park officially exists yet. That web site shows a proposal, and this site describes it as under development. Zero talk 00:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
To editor
Greyshark09: About these sentences: Today the power plant and the destroyed village of Tel Or are located on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border. The remains of the power station are part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the
Island of Peace on the Israel-Jordan border.
Probably I should have just reworded the first sentence rather than deleting it, but the second has multiple problems. I don't like "Today" as it seems to imply it was not the case in the past, but in fact both sites were on the Trans/Jordanian side of the border from their time of construction until now. Also "part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the
Island of Peace" is wrong, as above, and the repetition of "Israel-Jordan border" is bad writing. Finally, is the much larger area "Peace Park" in official existence, or is it still a concept under development? If it has been officially opened it would be nice to have a source.
Zero
talk 04:47, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The remains of the power station together with the Island of Peace are part of the Jordan River Peace Park on the Jordanian side of the Israel-Jordan border.GreyShark ( dibra) 11:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Answering your statement above, the Power Plant was on the border
: it is not true. The border followed the center of the Jordan River (defined in the Palestine Order in Council) and it is shown like that on official maps both during the Mandate and afterwards (Israeli example on the map I added). The river did not pass through the power station but to the west of it. On the map, the dark line along the east bank was concrete reinforcement to stop the river bank from collapsing (anyway it was and is in Jordan). Water flowed through the power station from the Yarmouk Reservoir then continued down the artificial race channel shown extending south until it reentered the Jordan River downstream.
Zero
talk 05:00, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
This image shows the layout quite well. The Yarmouk Reservoir is in the upper left and the Jordan River is in the lower left corner. Zero talk 05:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
This presentation shows the old buildings of Tel Or with the caption "The old workers housing complex – future ecolodges". Zero talk 12:13, 2 October 2018 (UTC)