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The twice-appended reference to Geiger as a teen idol is unencyclopedic inasmuch as it is unsourced and non-NPOV (in its ascription of the appellative "seasoned" to sundry critics). If the editor who desires that the info should be in the article would kindly cite a source, I (and others, I'm sure) would be much appreciative; in the meanwhile, I am left only with a Google search from which one would infer that not many critics at all are making reference to Geiger in the context of Nelson. Joe 06:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone deleted it for some reason. Most likely some teenage girl who doesn't want to believe their dream guy is gay. Anyone want to put it back up? -- 72.226.224.251 02:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Teddy Geiger IS NOT GAY. There was an interview with him in Seventeen magazine where he clearly stated that he was still searching for the perfect girl. I know I shouldn't believe everything I read, but Teddy seems like a very sincere and honest person. He also seems like the type of person who doesn't care what other people think about him. Therefore, I don't think he would lie about looking for the perfect girl in a popular magazine. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.125.69.25 ( talk • contribs) .
Teddy Geiger is in fact gay he said so himself.
^^ Would you happen to have proof of that. To my knowledge, Teddy is heterosexual.
I guess this question has finally been answered. Teddy's bi. And with a source this time. Turtletennisfogwheat ( talk) 23:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
I just searched for this entry and it didn't show up for wikipedia. Is there something wrong with it? Is it case sensitive? Because I typed "teddy geiger" and nothing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.55.10.32 ( talk • contribs) .
I edited out just a few little things. They seemed to be personal comments by someone, basically just calling Teddy a freak and then saying he was ugly. I didn't think that was necessary. Skin crawl 17:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone added this category and I removed it because I couldn't find a source. Does anyone have one? Mad Jack 18:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of whether or not Teddy Geiger is Jewish his attendence to McQuaid Jesuit High School does not prove anything about his religion. I am Agnostic and I go to McQuaid. McQuaid, while predominantly catholic has a variety of religions represented. See the page on our Religious diversity club if you do not believe me, [1] or perhaps the section that says "McQuaid Jesuit has a diverse population of students of all races and faiths" [2] will convince you. CuttingEdge 17:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Not to mention that "jewish" is a race and has nothing to do with religion in many cases. 216.185.250.92 ( talk) 20:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I took out the category of People from Buffalo, NY, as Teddy is not from Buffalo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.67.121.171 ( talk • contribs) .
With thick glasses and a bowl hair cut, that outcast little kid from Rochester, New York hit the local coffee bar scene....
-- Bill.matthews 01:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
This article [6] has some good info, if someone's interested in adding it Mad Jack 16:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea why 24.13.203.78 keeps editing out the fact that Emma Stone is in this movie with Teddy along with Rainn Wilson. All three are supposed to have significant parts. Is there something wrong with having her in biography? - Sixhundredsix 02:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I looked up "The Rocker" on Yahoo! Movies and it listed all of the actors, including Emma Stone. No, Ted is not dating anyone. -- Austenfann ( talk) 01:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to raise awareness on the page that claims Teddy Geiger to be in the Folk genre and an American Folk artist. It is very much incorrect to label Teddy as a folk artist, in the same tradition as Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan, and Joan Baez. Folk music has been defone as 1. A "schema comprising four musical types: 'primitive' or 'tribal'; 'elite' or 'art'; 'folk'; and 'popular'. Usually...folk music is associated with a lower class in societies which are culturally and socially stratified, that is, which have developed an elite, and possibly also a popular, musical culture." Cecil Sharp (1907)?, A.L. Lloyd (1972).
2. "Cultural processes rather than abstract musical types...continuity and oral transmission...seen as characterizing one side of a cultural dichotomy, the other side of which is found not only in the lower layers of feudal, capitalist and some oriental societies but also in 'primitive' societies and in parts of 'popular cultures'." Redfield (1947) and Dundes (1965). 3. Less prominent, "a rejection of rigid boundaries, preferring a conception, simply of varying practice within one field, that of 'music'."
Teddy falls short in these categories in the following ways. (1) Teddy's music is not primitive, tribal, nor artistic. Elitist music critics don't even take the time to listen to him, (2) he does not come from a lower class society, he is from Pittsford, an affluent community outside of my hometown of Rochester.
Also folk music has been a tool to discuss social problems, racism, workers rights, peace, and usually in a critically acclaimed fashion, with skillful poetry and prose. Not in offense to Geiger, but bubble gummy songs about teenage girlfriends, and not being cool in high school make the gap between Geiger's music and folk music widen.
So let's get rid of the folk under genre, and remove him form the American Folk musician category.
Could someone please put up a nice, recent picture of him?-- Austenfann ( talk) 01:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Why was the paragraph about The Rocker removed from his page? He is in an upcoming movie! It's important!-- Panic!out ( talk) 18:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Teddy Geiger's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "MC":
Reference named "BPI":
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Geiger announced on Instagram that he's "transitioning", presumably to a woman. For now, there's not yet any indication that he prefers female pronouns, but we should be alert for that time and make changes in the article accordingly. Powers T 18:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Geiger has since stated that she prefers Female pronouns, but still goes by the name Teddy. LadyJessica84 ( talk) 05:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Here ya go: https://www.people.com/music/teddy-geiger-using-female-pronouns-transgender-keeps-name/amp/
Fyi, I updated the pronouns in the article. Can’t believe people think it’s okay to use “he” pronouns for a woman these days, even though he is objectively a man. When a trans person comes out, unless they are nonbinary / already using gender neutral pronouns, you should assume their pronouns changed unless stated otherwise, just as one would generally assume that a cis person’s pronouns correspond to their gender identity. Would you randomly throw in “he” pronouns to describe Melania Drumpf? No? Then don’t do it here. Tlaxcalli ( talk) 15:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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Currently, the first sentence in the "Career" section provides Teddy Geiger's full birth name, presumably given to her by her parents in reliance on her sex assignment at birth as male. I believe that this is unnecessary, and as transgender people usually feel that the use of their birth name is an attack on their dignity, I think it should simply be deleted. MOS:GENDERID is conspicuously silent as to whether or not a transgender person's former name should be used in a Wikipedia article. Several Wikipedia articles on transgender individuals, such as Chelsea Manning and Caitlyn Jenner, conspicuously include their birth names in the article leads. I believe this is appropriate not only because those people achieved notability before they transitioned, but because they changed their names when they transitioned, and therefore their former names are notable. Also, the reader could otherwise be confused, if they were to consult a cited source, as to what individual is referred to. (For a practical example, a person reading an older source about The Wachowski "Brothers" such as this one cited in the article would have difficulty knowing who said what unless the article identifies Lana as the former Larry and Lilly as the former Andy.) But in this case, because Teddy Geiger has always been known professionally as "Teddy Geiger" and is keeping that name through her transition, I believe that including her full birth name, with her given name and her non-diminutive middle name (the source of "Teddy"), serves only to misgender her. I'd like to simply delete the text of her birth name from the sentence where it appears; I believe it will not impact the accuracy or readability of the sentence. -- DavidK93 ( talk) 16:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Born to run is by
Tiësto, Mark Alston, Baggi Begovic & Jason Taylor featuring Teddy Geiger. for some reason doesnt currently credit the main four
also in under pressure she is crdited as teddy<3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.49.129 ( talk) 15:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
As a pending changes reviewer, I just accepted an that removed the full birth name from the infobox. As best I can tell from a cursory search, the artist was always notable under the name "Teddy Geiger" and so there is no notability reason to include her deadname in the infobox. Schazjmd (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
I was asked by User:EddieHugh to explain. The template says, "This article is an autobiography or has been extensively edited by the subject or by someone connected to the subject." It's the latter part that is key here, not the former.
Some of their wiki edits for other clients were explained with:
"We manage..."
"his management company"
"I own the copyright to this picture as management representation of..."
One could reasonably assume, given this body of evidence, that Unmatched777 also manages Teddy Geiger. That's why I added the template. 74.96.157.104 ( talk) 03:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
At the Caitlyn Jenner page, the birth name of William Bruce Jenner is shown prominently, because she was famous as Bruce Jenner before transitioning. The "William" part of the birth name was not so famous but it was verifiable published knowledge, which is why it is displayed at the top of the article.
Teddy has a similar situation. Her birth name of John Theodore Geiger II was verifiable published knowledge during the time she was gaining fame and presenting as a male. Oxford Reference gives the birth name, citing Oxford's own The Encyclopedia of Popular Music printed in 2006 and published online in 2009 by editor Colin Larkin. The student newspaper of Quinnipiac University published the birth name in 2006. [8] On page 263 of The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits of 2010, the birth name is supplied. Same for the 2007 edition of Joel Whitburn Presents Billboard Top Adult Songs, 1961-2006, with the entry found on page 106. [9] AllMusic supplies the name now as an alias [10] in their usual manner for birth names but in 2010 they explicitly gave it as the birth name. [11] Back in 2011, Geiger's own Twitter account stated the name "john teddy geiger" in lowercase under the checkmark signifying a Verified Account. [12] Back in 2011, Apple's iTunes website supplied the birth name. [13] And of course Wikipedia showed the birth name from the very first day of hosting this biography in January 2006, [14] continuing steadily for 12 years. The birth name was known, not hidden.
In May 2017, months prior to the transition announcement, legal scholar Roberta L. Horton wrote about a lawsuit brought in 2006 by Geiger against a web domain squatter who held the rights to teddygeiger.com. Horton gave Geiger's birth name, [15] and it is in all of the published reviews of the court case. (Geiger surprisingly lost the case. In today's legal climate, the outcome would have flipped.)
In October 2017 as Geiger's transition announcement was being reported, The Post-Standard of Syracuse wrote about the person, giving the birth name as John Theodore Geiger II. The same paper gave the birth name again in 2018 when the transition was complete. [16] The news source Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide (MEAWW) supplied the birth name in their piece about Geiger in September 2018. They wrote, "Teddy Geiger, formerly known as John Theodore Geiger..." Given this level of public knowledge, I don't think it's appropriate for us to hide the birth name from our readers. Hiding it makes the encyclopedia less informative.
Pinging Paul Erik. Binksternet ( talk) 06:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
I've softened somewhat in my stance, though, seeing your research, including that Geiger herself had previously used the the male name on Twitter at a time they received a fair amount of coverage.
It's often a careful balance between sensitivity and providing the most information. In the spirit of the MOS:DEADNAME guideline, I'd encourage care here. Might it be worth asking others to weigh in? Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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The twice-appended reference to Geiger as a teen idol is unencyclopedic inasmuch as it is unsourced and non-NPOV (in its ascription of the appellative "seasoned" to sundry critics). If the editor who desires that the info should be in the article would kindly cite a source, I (and others, I'm sure) would be much appreciative; in the meanwhile, I am left only with a Google search from which one would infer that not many critics at all are making reference to Geiger in the context of Nelson. Joe 06:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
Someone deleted it for some reason. Most likely some teenage girl who doesn't want to believe their dream guy is gay. Anyone want to put it back up? -- 72.226.224.251 02:20, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Teddy Geiger IS NOT GAY. There was an interview with him in Seventeen magazine where he clearly stated that he was still searching for the perfect girl. I know I shouldn't believe everything I read, but Teddy seems like a very sincere and honest person. He also seems like the type of person who doesn't care what other people think about him. Therefore, I don't think he would lie about looking for the perfect girl in a popular magazine. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.125.69.25 ( talk • contribs) .
Teddy Geiger is in fact gay he said so himself.
^^ Would you happen to have proof of that. To my knowledge, Teddy is heterosexual.
I guess this question has finally been answered. Teddy's bi. And with a source this time. Turtletennisfogwheat ( talk) 23:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
I just searched for this entry and it didn't show up for wikipedia. Is there something wrong with it? Is it case sensitive? Because I typed "teddy geiger" and nothing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 139.55.10.32 ( talk • contribs) .
I edited out just a few little things. They seemed to be personal comments by someone, basically just calling Teddy a freak and then saying he was ugly. I didn't think that was necessary. Skin crawl 17:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Someone added this category and I removed it because I couldn't find a source. Does anyone have one? Mad Jack 18:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Regardless of whether or not Teddy Geiger is Jewish his attendence to McQuaid Jesuit High School does not prove anything about his religion. I am Agnostic and I go to McQuaid. McQuaid, while predominantly catholic has a variety of religions represented. See the page on our Religious diversity club if you do not believe me, [1] or perhaps the section that says "McQuaid Jesuit has a diverse population of students of all races and faiths" [2] will convince you. CuttingEdge 17:33, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Not to mention that "jewish" is a race and has nothing to do with religion in many cases. 216.185.250.92 ( talk) 20:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I took out the category of People from Buffalo, NY, as Teddy is not from Buffalo. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.67.121.171 ( talk • contribs) .
With thick glasses and a bowl hair cut, that outcast little kid from Rochester, New York hit the local coffee bar scene....
-- Bill.matthews 01:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
This article [6] has some good info, if someone's interested in adding it Mad Jack 16:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I have no idea why 24.13.203.78 keeps editing out the fact that Emma Stone is in this movie with Teddy along with Rainn Wilson. All three are supposed to have significant parts. Is there something wrong with having her in biography? - Sixhundredsix 02:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
I looked up "The Rocker" on Yahoo! Movies and it listed all of the actors, including Emma Stone. No, Ted is not dating anyone. -- Austenfann ( talk) 01:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
I would like to raise awareness on the page that claims Teddy Geiger to be in the Folk genre and an American Folk artist. It is very much incorrect to label Teddy as a folk artist, in the same tradition as Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan, and Joan Baez. Folk music has been defone as 1. A "schema comprising four musical types: 'primitive' or 'tribal'; 'elite' or 'art'; 'folk'; and 'popular'. Usually...folk music is associated with a lower class in societies which are culturally and socially stratified, that is, which have developed an elite, and possibly also a popular, musical culture." Cecil Sharp (1907)?, A.L. Lloyd (1972).
2. "Cultural processes rather than abstract musical types...continuity and oral transmission...seen as characterizing one side of a cultural dichotomy, the other side of which is found not only in the lower layers of feudal, capitalist and some oriental societies but also in 'primitive' societies and in parts of 'popular cultures'." Redfield (1947) and Dundes (1965). 3. Less prominent, "a rejection of rigid boundaries, preferring a conception, simply of varying practice within one field, that of 'music'."
Teddy falls short in these categories in the following ways. (1) Teddy's music is not primitive, tribal, nor artistic. Elitist music critics don't even take the time to listen to him, (2) he does not come from a lower class society, he is from Pittsford, an affluent community outside of my hometown of Rochester.
Also folk music has been a tool to discuss social problems, racism, workers rights, peace, and usually in a critically acclaimed fashion, with skillful poetry and prose. Not in offense to Geiger, but bubble gummy songs about teenage girlfriends, and not being cool in high school make the gap between Geiger's music and folk music widen.
So let's get rid of the folk under genre, and remove him form the American Folk musician category.
Could someone please put up a nice, recent picture of him?-- Austenfann ( talk) 01:09, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Why was the paragraph about The Rocker removed from his page? He is in an upcoming movie! It's important!-- Panic!out ( talk) 18:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Teddy Geiger's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "MC":
Reference named "BPI":
{{
cite web}}
: Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:33, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
Geiger announced on Instagram that he's "transitioning", presumably to a woman. For now, there's not yet any indication that he prefers female pronouns, but we should be alert for that time and make changes in the article accordingly. Powers T 18:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)
Geiger has since stated that she prefers Female pronouns, but still goes by the name Teddy. LadyJessica84 ( talk) 05:19, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Here ya go: https://www.people.com/music/teddy-geiger-using-female-pronouns-transgender-keeps-name/amp/
Fyi, I updated the pronouns in the article. Can’t believe people think it’s okay to use “he” pronouns for a woman these days, even though he is objectively a man. When a trans person comes out, unless they are nonbinary / already using gender neutral pronouns, you should assume their pronouns changed unless stated otherwise, just as one would generally assume that a cis person’s pronouns correspond to their gender identity. Would you randomly throw in “he” pronouns to describe Melania Drumpf? No? Then don’t do it here. Tlaxcalli ( talk) 15:03, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
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Currently, the first sentence in the "Career" section provides Teddy Geiger's full birth name, presumably given to her by her parents in reliance on her sex assignment at birth as male. I believe that this is unnecessary, and as transgender people usually feel that the use of their birth name is an attack on their dignity, I think it should simply be deleted. MOS:GENDERID is conspicuously silent as to whether or not a transgender person's former name should be used in a Wikipedia article. Several Wikipedia articles on transgender individuals, such as Chelsea Manning and Caitlyn Jenner, conspicuously include their birth names in the article leads. I believe this is appropriate not only because those people achieved notability before they transitioned, but because they changed their names when they transitioned, and therefore their former names are notable. Also, the reader could otherwise be confused, if they were to consult a cited source, as to what individual is referred to. (For a practical example, a person reading an older source about The Wachowski "Brothers" such as this one cited in the article would have difficulty knowing who said what unless the article identifies Lana as the former Larry and Lilly as the former Andy.) But in this case, because Teddy Geiger has always been known professionally as "Teddy Geiger" and is keeping that name through her transition, I believe that including her full birth name, with her given name and her non-diminutive middle name (the source of "Teddy"), serves only to misgender her. I'd like to simply delete the text of her birth name from the sentence where it appears; I believe it will not impact the accuracy or readability of the sentence. -- DavidK93 ( talk) 16:12, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
Born to run is by
Tiësto, Mark Alston, Baggi Begovic & Jason Taylor featuring Teddy Geiger. for some reason doesnt currently credit the main four
also in under pressure she is crdited as teddy<3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.49.129 ( talk) 15:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
As a pending changes reviewer, I just accepted an that removed the full birth name from the infobox. As best I can tell from a cursory search, the artist was always notable under the name "Teddy Geiger" and so there is no notability reason to include her deadname in the infobox. Schazjmd (talk) 22:52, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
I was asked by User:EddieHugh to explain. The template says, "This article is an autobiography or has been extensively edited by the subject or by someone connected to the subject." It's the latter part that is key here, not the former.
Some of their wiki edits for other clients were explained with:
"We manage..."
"his management company"
"I own the copyright to this picture as management representation of..."
One could reasonably assume, given this body of evidence, that Unmatched777 also manages Teddy Geiger. That's why I added the template. 74.96.157.104 ( talk) 03:32, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
At the Caitlyn Jenner page, the birth name of William Bruce Jenner is shown prominently, because she was famous as Bruce Jenner before transitioning. The "William" part of the birth name was not so famous but it was verifiable published knowledge, which is why it is displayed at the top of the article.
Teddy has a similar situation. Her birth name of John Theodore Geiger II was verifiable published knowledge during the time she was gaining fame and presenting as a male. Oxford Reference gives the birth name, citing Oxford's own The Encyclopedia of Popular Music printed in 2006 and published online in 2009 by editor Colin Larkin. The student newspaper of Quinnipiac University published the birth name in 2006. [8] On page 263 of The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits of 2010, the birth name is supplied. Same for the 2007 edition of Joel Whitburn Presents Billboard Top Adult Songs, 1961-2006, with the entry found on page 106. [9] AllMusic supplies the name now as an alias [10] in their usual manner for birth names but in 2010 they explicitly gave it as the birth name. [11] Back in 2011, Geiger's own Twitter account stated the name "john teddy geiger" in lowercase under the checkmark signifying a Verified Account. [12] Back in 2011, Apple's iTunes website supplied the birth name. [13] And of course Wikipedia showed the birth name from the very first day of hosting this biography in January 2006, [14] continuing steadily for 12 years. The birth name was known, not hidden.
In May 2017, months prior to the transition announcement, legal scholar Roberta L. Horton wrote about a lawsuit brought in 2006 by Geiger against a web domain squatter who held the rights to teddygeiger.com. Horton gave Geiger's birth name, [15] and it is in all of the published reviews of the court case. (Geiger surprisingly lost the case. In today's legal climate, the outcome would have flipped.)
In October 2017 as Geiger's transition announcement was being reported, The Post-Standard of Syracuse wrote about the person, giving the birth name as John Theodore Geiger II. The same paper gave the birth name again in 2018 when the transition was complete. [16] The news source Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide (MEAWW) supplied the birth name in their piece about Geiger in September 2018. They wrote, "Teddy Geiger, formerly known as John Theodore Geiger..." Given this level of public knowledge, I don't think it's appropriate for us to hide the birth name from our readers. Hiding it makes the encyclopedia less informative.
Pinging Paul Erik. Binksternet ( talk) 06:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
I've softened somewhat in my stance, though, seeing your research, including that Geiger herself had previously used the the male name on Twitter at a time they received a fair amount of coverage.
It's often a careful balance between sensitivity and providing the most information. In the spirit of the MOS:DEADNAME guideline, I'd encourage care here. Might it be worth asking others to weigh in? Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 19:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)