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Can somebodby please find a non-copywright pic of the beautiful 33? We need one! Trekphiler 00:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The article assumes too much prior knowledge. It says "Lotus achieved rapid success with the 1953 Mk 6, and the 1954 Mk 8," but it hasn't told us what formula this was in! The next paragraph goes on to casually mention Formula 2, which wasn't even wikilinked, but it's not clear if the 1953 and 1954 cars mentioned were F2. Please fix this and remember, your readers might know nothing at all about Team Lotus or racing. -- kingboyk 06:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Now, it's all a bit hazy, but didn't a 109 debut at the 1994 Spanish Grand Prix in the hands of Herbert (with Alex still stuck in the 107D), and turn out to be something of a dog, and the improvement at Monza was due entirely to a brand new Mugen engine simply pushing the thing down the straights a lot faster (and due to Johnny, of course)? The article as it stands makes it sound like the 109 chassis was responsible for the upturn in progress, when (again, this is dependant on my memory) the new car didn't actually bring around many changes - I remember an interview with Herbert some years later where he was actually very disparaging about it.
Also, I feel that the Mugen Honda/Jordan line (as well as containing the incorrect date) is a bit irrelevant... Someone hit someone, and the first person's team, using the same make of engine a few years later, won a race a few years down the line? It seems less relevant than, say, listing the points scored in 90/91, or Warwick's bravery at Monza/Jerez in '90, or the whole Senna/Warwick/Dumfries thing - none of which probably belong, being footnotes in the team's dying days, so I really don't see the need for the Jordan-Mugen reference...
And maybe Senna's time with the team needs a little expansion... for example, the number of poles he managed, or that in 1985 he was often the fastest man on the track, but the car usually let him down.
But I'm not going to edit anything without a bit of feedback - for one, I could be wrong ;)
Tom Prankerd 18:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
other than Ferrari, Williams and McLaren...biased much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GarlicBreath ( talk • contribs) 03:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a photo on the Team Lotus page which has a caption "Lotus 77". When the photo is enlarged it displays a name "Image:Lotus79.jpg". It looks more like a 77 than a 79 to me. How do we fix this please? GTHO ( talk) 03:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
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This was a great racing team over many years and is done a great dis-service by the poor grammar used throughout this page; perhaps someone could clean it up forthwith?
88.105.178.131, 08:22, July 23, 2009.
I believe that the 2010 entry 'Lotus F1 Team' has nothing to do with the 'Team Lotus' of old. The new team is owned by Malaysian companies. Lotus Cars/Lotus Group is owned by Proton, which is (partly) owned by Petronas, I believe. So I reckon the 2010 entry bit is in the wrong place, here. Lustigson ( talk) 12:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the split. Team Principal Mike Gascoyne has said in an interview [1] "We are not pretending to be the old Team Lotus. We are the new Lotus F1 team." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002thx1138 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
This discussion was continued at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Formula One#Lotus F1 Team - mspete93 [talk] 18:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately discussion was closed so I'd like to add a few words here. "Team Lotus" and "Lotus Racing" are just two different full team names like "Rothmans Williams Renault" and "BMW.WilliamsF1 Team". Take a look at http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/teams/194. The team is called "Lotus" and "Lotus Racing" is the full team name. Moreover consctructors standing on the right side says there is a team called "Lotus-Cosworth" where "Lotus" is the consctructor and "Cosworth" is the engine supplier. Formula 1 is a consctructors championship, not a championship of team names. "Lotus Racing" everything to do with "Team Lotus" because Lotus is the constructor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.244.4.164 ( talk) 23:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Now that Lotus Have bought 25% of the renault team should we add this to this page or should we create a new page for Lotus Renault GP?--Brainybrains 20:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainybrainiac ( talk • contribs)
The result of the debate was move. Prolog ( talk) 17:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Classic Team Lotus → Team Lotus — Reversion of controversial move made without discussion. The racing team was not known as Classic Team Lotus at any point during its competition history and is completely unrepresentative. A little known retroactive renaming made by people who were not involved in Team Lotus is not grounds for renaming Team Lotus to Classic Team Lotus. -- Falcadore ( talk) 11:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Given that there are two distinct teams with the name 'Team Lotus' (the original Chapman team, and the current Fernandez team), the most logical move seems to me to introduce a Team Lotus (Disambiguation) page linking here and to the Lotus Racing (or Team Lotus 2011... or whatever)
Aegidian ( talk) 19:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
What do you guys currently think about the new Team Lotus Navbox do you guys like it or does it need editing. Me12356 ( talk) 13:44, 03 May 2012 (UTC)
The article states that the introduction of the 109 was responsible for the performance at Monza in 1994. It wasn't - the 109 was a dog (I'm fairly sure Herbert said it was the worst car he ever drove); it was also introduced much earlier in the season (I want to say Spain, IIRC Herbert had one while Zanardi was still in the 107D for a couple of races) and made no real change to the team's form. The boost at Monza was from a new lightweight Honda engine. I can find multiple sources for both the 109's debut and the reason for the Monza qualifying performance if needs be; I might still have the magazine where Herbert batters the 109 in an interview too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.105.22 ( talk) 18:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
85.210.63.113 ( talk) 10:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I propose to merge this page with Team Lotus (2010-11), because they refer to the same team. Tony Fernandes acquired all rights of Team Lotus (historical rights, naming rights and image). Team Lotus will come back in 2011 (in spanish) -- Laln93 ( talk) 20:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Hill was badly injured (broken legs broken, I believe) he was not killed racing a Lotus, but while piloting a private plane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.218.214 ( talk) 19:57, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
The following is unclear/confusing because the name Group Lotus has not been previously introduced:
On 15 September 2009 the FIA announced that the Malaysian backed team Lotus Racing had been granted admission into the 2010 season.[9] Group Lotus later terminated the licence for future seasons as a result of what it called "flagrant and persistent breaches of the licence by the team".
The same goes for other mentions of Group Lotus, obviously. 81.191.184.223 ( talk) 20:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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Can somebodby please find a non-copywright pic of the beautiful 33? We need one! Trekphiler 00:30, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The article assumes too much prior knowledge. It says "Lotus achieved rapid success with the 1953 Mk 6, and the 1954 Mk 8," but it hasn't told us what formula this was in! The next paragraph goes on to casually mention Formula 2, which wasn't even wikilinked, but it's not clear if the 1953 and 1954 cars mentioned were F2. Please fix this and remember, your readers might know nothing at all about Team Lotus or racing. -- kingboyk 06:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Now, it's all a bit hazy, but didn't a 109 debut at the 1994 Spanish Grand Prix in the hands of Herbert (with Alex still stuck in the 107D), and turn out to be something of a dog, and the improvement at Monza was due entirely to a brand new Mugen engine simply pushing the thing down the straights a lot faster (and due to Johnny, of course)? The article as it stands makes it sound like the 109 chassis was responsible for the upturn in progress, when (again, this is dependant on my memory) the new car didn't actually bring around many changes - I remember an interview with Herbert some years later where he was actually very disparaging about it.
Also, I feel that the Mugen Honda/Jordan line (as well as containing the incorrect date) is a bit irrelevant... Someone hit someone, and the first person's team, using the same make of engine a few years later, won a race a few years down the line? It seems less relevant than, say, listing the points scored in 90/91, or Warwick's bravery at Monza/Jerez in '90, or the whole Senna/Warwick/Dumfries thing - none of which probably belong, being footnotes in the team's dying days, so I really don't see the need for the Jordan-Mugen reference...
And maybe Senna's time with the team needs a little expansion... for example, the number of poles he managed, or that in 1985 he was often the fastest man on the track, but the car usually let him down.
But I'm not going to edit anything without a bit of feedback - for one, I could be wrong ;)
Tom Prankerd 18:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
other than Ferrari, Williams and McLaren...biased much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GarlicBreath ( talk • contribs) 03:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a photo on the Team Lotus page which has a caption "Lotus 77". When the photo is enlarged it displays a name "Image:Lotus79.jpg". It looks more like a 77 than a 79 to me. How do we fix this please? GTHO ( talk) 03:05, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:Lotus logo.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
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This was a great racing team over many years and is done a great dis-service by the poor grammar used throughout this page; perhaps someone could clean it up forthwith?
88.105.178.131, 08:22, July 23, 2009.
I believe that the 2010 entry 'Lotus F1 Team' has nothing to do with the 'Team Lotus' of old. The new team is owned by Malaysian companies. Lotus Cars/Lotus Group is owned by Proton, which is (partly) owned by Petronas, I believe. So I reckon the 2010 entry bit is in the wrong place, here. Lustigson ( talk) 12:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the split. Team Principal Mike Gascoyne has said in an interview [1] "We are not pretending to be the old Team Lotus. We are the new Lotus F1 team." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2002thx1138 ( talk • contribs) 17:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
This discussion was continued at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Formula One#Lotus F1 Team - mspete93 [talk] 18:36, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately discussion was closed so I'd like to add a few words here. "Team Lotus" and "Lotus Racing" are just two different full team names like "Rothmans Williams Renault" and "BMW.WilliamsF1 Team". Take a look at http://www.formula1.com/teams_and_drivers/teams/194. The team is called "Lotus" and "Lotus Racing" is the full team name. Moreover consctructors standing on the right side says there is a team called "Lotus-Cosworth" where "Lotus" is the consctructor and "Cosworth" is the engine supplier. Formula 1 is a consctructors championship, not a championship of team names. "Lotus Racing" everything to do with "Team Lotus" because Lotus is the constructor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.244.4.164 ( talk) 23:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
Now that Lotus Have bought 25% of the renault team should we add this to this page or should we create a new page for Lotus Renault GP?--Brainybrains 20:54, 11 December 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brainybrainiac ( talk • contribs)
The result of the debate was move. Prolog ( talk) 17:30, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Classic Team Lotus → Team Lotus — Reversion of controversial move made without discussion. The racing team was not known as Classic Team Lotus at any point during its competition history and is completely unrepresentative. A little known retroactive renaming made by people who were not involved in Team Lotus is not grounds for renaming Team Lotus to Classic Team Lotus. -- Falcadore ( talk) 11:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Given that there are two distinct teams with the name 'Team Lotus' (the original Chapman team, and the current Fernandez team), the most logical move seems to me to introduce a Team Lotus (Disambiguation) page linking here and to the Lotus Racing (or Team Lotus 2011... or whatever)
Aegidian ( talk) 19:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
What do you guys currently think about the new Team Lotus Navbox do you guys like it or does it need editing. Me12356 ( talk) 13:44, 03 May 2012 (UTC)
The article states that the introduction of the 109 was responsible for the performance at Monza in 1994. It wasn't - the 109 was a dog (I'm fairly sure Herbert said it was the worst car he ever drove); it was also introduced much earlier in the season (I want to say Spain, IIRC Herbert had one while Zanardi was still in the 107D for a couple of races) and made no real change to the team's form. The boost at Monza was from a new lightweight Honda engine. I can find multiple sources for both the 109's debut and the reason for the Monza qualifying performance if needs be; I might still have the magazine where Herbert batters the 109 in an interview too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.168.105.22 ( talk) 18:35, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
85.210.63.113 ( talk) 10:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
I propose to merge this page with Team Lotus (2010-11), because they refer to the same team. Tony Fernandes acquired all rights of Team Lotus (historical rights, naming rights and image). Team Lotus will come back in 2011 (in spanish) -- Laln93 ( talk) 20:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Hill was badly injured (broken legs broken, I believe) he was not killed racing a Lotus, but while piloting a private plane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.218.214 ( talk) 19:57, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
The following is unclear/confusing because the name Group Lotus has not been previously introduced:
On 15 September 2009 the FIA announced that the Malaysian backed team Lotus Racing had been granted admission into the 2010 season.[9] Group Lotus later terminated the licence for future seasons as a result of what it called "flagrant and persistent breaches of the licence by the team".
The same goes for other mentions of Group Lotus, obviously. 81.191.184.223 ( talk) 20:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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