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There were a couple of Tea Partiers arrested; some of them were part of rallies, whereas others were unrelated to rallies.
Top Tea Party Organizer Arrested for Prostitution http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking-news/top-tea-party-organizer-arrested-for-prostitution.html
SC Tea Party Leaders Arrested For Selling Pirated Computer Software http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/sc_tea_party_leaders_arrested_for_selling_pirated.php
Violent tea partier arrested at Democratic rally in Houston http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/03/violent-tea-partier-arrested-at-democratic-rally-in-houston/
Tea Party Activists Hit Capitol Hill, 9 Arrested http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/tea-party-activists-hit-c_n_347016.html
Strange Scene: 10 Arrested As Tea Partiers Heckle Police http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/strange-scene-10-arrested-as-tea-party-watchers-heckle-police.php
Phoenix 'tea party' rally leads to arrests http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/04/15/20110415Phoenix-tea-party-rally-arrests-abrk.html
Please confirm these sources. Thank you. Great50 ( talk) 21:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Tea Party Leader Flees CBS Cameras After Handgun Arrest http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/tea-party-leader-flees-cbs-cameras-after-han
Great50 ( talk) 19:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing the 'Arrests' section of the infobox until someone less lazy than me wants to update it with these articles. 72.198.211.245 ( talk) 21:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
The second Tea Party rally mentioned, just after Obama was inaugerated, is characterized as protesting both the Obama Stimulus and the TARP bank bailout. The reference 2 follows that statement. I checked the source and no where does it claim (the absence demonstrating it was NOT an issue) that the protest was against the bank bailout.
This is important because recently, many pundits are claiming that the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party have their protest of the banks in common. The claim that like both oppose bank bailouts is not supported by the source cited, nor by any actual evidence.
If the Tea Party, which started at the time that Obama took office, were outraged about TARP, it would have made sense to protest in in 2008 before Bush signed it rather than wait until he was out of office and then, when Obama took over, protest a bill passed in October of 2008, when Obama had not yet been even elected. Why did they wait?
And also note that for a few week Herman Cain became a Tea Party favorite. But if the Tea Party is fiercely opposed to the Federal Reserve Board, why did they support a man who had served, unapologetically, on the Kansas Federal Reserve Board. It becomes clear that the Tea Party protested the Recovery Act (Stimulus) but their outrage at the bank bailout is a fabrication. The source on the Wiki article regarding the early Tea Party rally, at any rate, does not support it. None of the other noted rallies listed support a claim that the Tea Party movement formed around the concept of opposing the bank bailouts. It lacks support and therefore should be deleted. Or, it could be remodeled to show how many today are making that claim, but the evidence does not back it up. A current meme of how the OWS and Tea Party have a common outrage at the banks and the bank bailouts is currently being supported by the Wikipedia article, in the very introduction, and may be contributing to a false comparison gaining currency.
Perhaps there could be a paragraph about various unsupported claims about the Tea Party. As a newbie, it was amusing reading archives and arguments, none of which focused on such a fundamental problem as misstating the basic concerns of the Tea Party movement.
The original Ron Paul Tea Party rallies of 2007 did protest the Federal Reserve and Military/Security War State, but the 2009 Tea Party rallies did not express outrage at the FRB/banks and it almost completely supports Big Military and today (2012) actually wants to increase defense spending! So this is not the Ron Paul anti-bank anti-war Tea Party. This is the Tea Party which arose to protest Obama, focusing on this combination of 1/3 tax cuts (they protested against this!) Imagine protesting against tax cuts, which was the largest portion of the stimulus, $280 billion, with another 1/3 250 billion to pay for unemployment benefits to the victims of the recesssion, and 250 billion in direct job creation, funding school districts to keep teachers jobs, cop, etc as well as loan guarantees and grants for direct job creation through funding infrastructure projects.
The protest was not about banks but against government spending. Even when that spending was tax cuts for the middle class, for Tea Party partisans themselves. They protested funding benefits for the unemployed. And they protested spending to save firemen, safety inspectors, cops jobs.
I welcome evidence that a major issue was TARP, as the article states, or the Federal Reserve, which the original Paul rallies did protest.
Conclusion: the claim that the early Tea Party rally in Feb of 2009 (a few weeks after the swearing in: Glen Beck, who promoted the Tea Party of 2009, is now saying their motive was race!)was about TARP and the Stimulus is wrong. Either delete the unsupported claim and the empty source 2. Or include the claim, since it has currency in today's political discourse, and the evidence, or lack thereof, for its accuracy.
I would prefer, over deleting the false claim, exposing the falsehood and putting it in the context of efforts to revise history and the motives for such efforts. If the only real issue was Obama's spending (1/3 tax cuts), then the assertion, I would suggest, that TARP was equally a target of protest is a cover for the appearance of racism in their date of emergence as a movement. When a person like Beck makes this connection, and the TARP controversy had unfolded 4 months earlier, even before Obama was elected, and when many, in an apparent effort to show that they are NOT racist, a black candidate who was a Federal REserve officer, there is a likelihood that the historical revision is intended to backpedal from the single-minded assault on Obama, when in terms of policy the protest should have been staged in September of 2008.
These are my speculations, but the claim of TARP protest is NOT backed up by the source and should be deleted or expanded to expose the revision.
Will anyone read this? As a newbie, I am lost....message in a bottle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruffsoft ( talk • contribs) 05:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
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I've reviewed the edits and found no BLP violations and no changes against consensus. It would be very helpful if the editor would indicate any specific BLP violations, relevant consensus discussions or other concerns here so that they can be discussed. Xenophrenic ( talk) 14:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Once again, much of the same content has been reverted without discussion. I'm requesting again that editors please raise their concerns here for discussion rather than edit warring. Specific undiscussed and unexplained edits that I've seen include:
Xenophrenic ( talk) 14:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Removal of Trumka content, claiming it is "non-notable". "Notability" is a requirement for article creation, not content within a Wikipedia article. The content is relevant to the subject matter in the article, and significant in that context, so what is the argument for removing it?
Removal of content that indicates Breitbart was not present at the protests. Reliable sources feel that is pertinent information to convey, so it would be POV to omit that on grounds that "we" don't think it is important.
Done †TE† Talk 15:44, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Removal of reliable sources describing the slurs at the health care protests; no explanation given.
Done †TE† Talk 16:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I've made the following edits to the content in the article. They appear uncontroversial to me, but let me know if you have any further concerns.
I've reviewed archived discussions I've had with your ThinkEnemies account, and it seems we've gone over a lot of this same ground before. Maybe it would be helpful to remember that the audio clip transcription produced by that Breitbart opinion writer, Kerry Picket, in the Washington Times piece has several errors. She has Carson saying "and a person said" instead of "and of course he said", and she leaves words out of the "15 times" quote (i.e.; "I heard it..."), among others. Also keep in mind that for Wikipedia editors transcribing spoken words from audio or video sources, is not considered original research, as long as the description of the content from the recording can be "verified by any educated person without specialist knowledge". That seems to be tripping up some editors. Xenophrenic ( talk) 18:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I see no WP:BLP edits by Xenophrenic. After reading both the edit favored by ThinkEnemies and Xenophrenic, I think Xenophrenic edit is far better written and more in line with WP:NPV. Casprings ( talk) 15:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Here's some additional information on the edits I just made:
Moments after the incident, Carson was asked if the people outside were dangerous: "Oh absolutely. I worked in homeland security. I’m from intelligence, and I’ll tell you, one of the largest threats to our internal security…I mean terrorism has an Islamic face, but it really comes from racial supremacist groups."
After the incident, Carson said he "expected rocks to come", and said Capitol Police became aware and surrounded them. When he was asked if he thought the people outside were generally dangerous: "Oh absolutely. I worked in homeland security. I’m from intelligence, and I’ll tell you, one of the largest threats to our internal security…I mean terrorism has an Islamic face, but it really comes from racial supremacist groups. I mean this kind of animosity is the kind of things we keep threat assessments on record." When asked if there was any physical altercation or if anything was thrown, Carson said no, and reiterated the Capitol Police escort.
Xenophrenic ( talk) 09:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
We have some of these "incidents" in two articles still. What are your thoughts about consolidating them in one article? Also, would you be adverse to taking a more encyclopedic, "longer-view" approach to this material? The minutia in these sections, including all the "he said/she said" is a bit overwhelming. Xenophrenic ( talk) 10:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
You've re-instated problematic material again, and I see no explanation for that provided here. Again, whould you please address the concerns itemized above instead of revert-warring? Xenophrenic ( talk) 21:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Latest version by Editor 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tea_Party_protests&oldid=568335461#Reports_of_abusive_behavior
Latest version by Editor 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tea_Party_protests&oldid=568365883#Reports_of_abusive_behavior
Editor 2 conducted a experiment by emulating the editing-style of Editor 1 here. Though Editor 2 attempted his best impersonation of Editor 1 -- Editor 2 found it difficult to match the POV-pushing and BLP-violating prowess of Editor 1 and fell short. Apparently, that was still more than enough reason for Editor 1 to further their UNDUE editing-pattern here. Editor 1, even while adding more of the trivial, somehow found a way to delete the one of the only references which calls their preferred narrative into question here. While not surprised, Editor 2 is profoundly disappointed with the results as they foolishly believed Editor 1 might finally recognize the error of their own ways. An RfC on Editor 1 also failed to help them see and correct their well-established issues to the determent of this project. I'm calling out for anyone to help before this disruption goes too far. Thanks in advance. †TE† Talk 14:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Congressman André Carson said that as he walked from the Cannon House Office Building with Representative John Lewis and his chief of staff, amid chants of "Kill the bill" he heard the "n-word" about fifteen times coming from several places in the crowd: "One guy, I remember he just rattled it off several times. Then John looks at me and says, 'You know, this reminds me of a different time.'" [1] [2] [3]
Conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, who wasn't present at the protests, said the racial slurs and other allegations by Cleaver, Lewis and Carson were fabricated as part of a plan to annihilate the Tea Party movement by all means necessary and that they never actually happened. He offered to donate $10,000 to the United Negro College Fund if Lewis could provide audio or video footage of the slurs, or pass a lie detector test. The amount was later raised to $100,000 for "hard evidence." [1] [5] [6]
Representative Heath Shuler of North Carolina backed up his colleagues, telling the Hendersonville (N.C.) Times-News that he too heard slurs. "It was the most horrible display of protesting I have ever seen in my life ... It breaks your heart that the way they display their anger is to spit on a member and use that kind of language," Shuler said. [10] Three weeks later, after the issue of whether the N-word was used had turned into a political battle and the Associated Press ran a story on the controversy which quoted the previous Times-News report, Shuler changed his story and told the Associated Press that he heard slurs used against Barney Frank, but not Cleaver. [11] [12] In a statement to the AP, Shuler said: "It's obvious that there was a misunderstanding between me and the reporter. Questions have been raised as to why I did not immediately call to correct the paper, but I understand people make mistakes. I spoke to the reporter, James Shea, regarding a number of racial remarks I heard and heard about on that day. We spoke about protesters screaming at me and my colleagues outside, and particularly the bigotry shown toward three members of Congress, Reps. Emanuel Cleaver, John Lewis and Barney Frank. When I discussed a specific instance of a slur that I heard, I was referring to that directed at Barney Frank. The reporter assumed I was speaking of another instance. It is unfortunate and un-American that rather than condemning the racial remarks and slurs made throughout that weekend we are instead focusing on whether one racially charged word was heard or not." [12] [13] [14] Opinion writer James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal contacted Shuler's press secretary, who stated the congressman heard slurs used against Barney Frank, but not Cleaver. [15]
Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, corroborated Lewis' version of events during a confrontation with Breitbart at a Harvard Institute of Politics forum by saying, "I watched them spit at people, I watched them call John Lewis the n-word. [...] I witnessed it. I saw it in person. That's real evidence." [18] [19] [20]
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help page).Now you may find me to be somewhat abrasive, but just look at the foolishness you present. Your disruptive actions and lack of coherent rationale would make even Ned Flanders blow a head gasket. †TE† Talk 22:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Taking a good look at the recent developments, it appears my work here is done. I'd like to thank Xenophrenic ( talk · contribs) for being such a willing participant in my evidence collection. This process has been an especially difficult one for me, probably a few peccadilloes along the way but I'm sufficiently satisfied with the results -- Which are free for anyone to use if they so choose. Regards ;-) †TE† Talk 15:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Nobody actually said that, except in a title. He says he was misquoted, and the original quote was "corrected" in at least some of the reliable sources. I changed it to "misquoted", but another alternative might be found.
This falls under WP:BLP, so I will continue to remove it when it appears. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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There were a couple of Tea Partiers arrested; some of them were part of rallies, whereas others were unrelated to rallies.
Top Tea Party Organizer Arrested for Prostitution http://www.wisconsingazette.com/breaking-news/top-tea-party-organizer-arrested-for-prostitution.html
SC Tea Party Leaders Arrested For Selling Pirated Computer Software http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/sc_tea_party_leaders_arrested_for_selling_pirated.php
Violent tea partier arrested at Democratic rally in Houston http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/03/violent-tea-partier-arrested-at-democratic-rally-in-houston/
Tea Party Activists Hit Capitol Hill, 9 Arrested http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/tea-party-activists-hit-c_n_347016.html
Strange Scene: 10 Arrested As Tea Partiers Heckle Police http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/strange-scene-10-arrested-as-tea-party-watchers-heckle-police.php
Phoenix 'tea party' rally leads to arrests http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/04/15/20110415Phoenix-tea-party-rally-arrests-abrk.html
Please confirm these sources. Thank you. Great50 ( talk) 21:13, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
Tea Party Leader Flees CBS Cameras After Handgun Arrest http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/tea-party-leader-flees-cbs-cameras-after-han
Great50 ( talk) 19:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm removing the 'Arrests' section of the infobox until someone less lazy than me wants to update it with these articles. 72.198.211.245 ( talk) 21:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
The second Tea Party rally mentioned, just after Obama was inaugerated, is characterized as protesting both the Obama Stimulus and the TARP bank bailout. The reference 2 follows that statement. I checked the source and no where does it claim (the absence demonstrating it was NOT an issue) that the protest was against the bank bailout.
This is important because recently, many pundits are claiming that the Occupy Movement and the Tea Party have their protest of the banks in common. The claim that like both oppose bank bailouts is not supported by the source cited, nor by any actual evidence.
If the Tea Party, which started at the time that Obama took office, were outraged about TARP, it would have made sense to protest in in 2008 before Bush signed it rather than wait until he was out of office and then, when Obama took over, protest a bill passed in October of 2008, when Obama had not yet been even elected. Why did they wait?
And also note that for a few week Herman Cain became a Tea Party favorite. But if the Tea Party is fiercely opposed to the Federal Reserve Board, why did they support a man who had served, unapologetically, on the Kansas Federal Reserve Board. It becomes clear that the Tea Party protested the Recovery Act (Stimulus) but their outrage at the bank bailout is a fabrication. The source on the Wiki article regarding the early Tea Party rally, at any rate, does not support it. None of the other noted rallies listed support a claim that the Tea Party movement formed around the concept of opposing the bank bailouts. It lacks support and therefore should be deleted. Or, it could be remodeled to show how many today are making that claim, but the evidence does not back it up. A current meme of how the OWS and Tea Party have a common outrage at the banks and the bank bailouts is currently being supported by the Wikipedia article, in the very introduction, and may be contributing to a false comparison gaining currency.
Perhaps there could be a paragraph about various unsupported claims about the Tea Party. As a newbie, it was amusing reading archives and arguments, none of which focused on such a fundamental problem as misstating the basic concerns of the Tea Party movement.
The original Ron Paul Tea Party rallies of 2007 did protest the Federal Reserve and Military/Security War State, but the 2009 Tea Party rallies did not express outrage at the FRB/banks and it almost completely supports Big Military and today (2012) actually wants to increase defense spending! So this is not the Ron Paul anti-bank anti-war Tea Party. This is the Tea Party which arose to protest Obama, focusing on this combination of 1/3 tax cuts (they protested against this!) Imagine protesting against tax cuts, which was the largest portion of the stimulus, $280 billion, with another 1/3 250 billion to pay for unemployment benefits to the victims of the recesssion, and 250 billion in direct job creation, funding school districts to keep teachers jobs, cop, etc as well as loan guarantees and grants for direct job creation through funding infrastructure projects.
The protest was not about banks but against government spending. Even when that spending was tax cuts for the middle class, for Tea Party partisans themselves. They protested funding benefits for the unemployed. And they protested spending to save firemen, safety inspectors, cops jobs.
I welcome evidence that a major issue was TARP, as the article states, or the Federal Reserve, which the original Paul rallies did protest.
Conclusion: the claim that the early Tea Party rally in Feb of 2009 (a few weeks after the swearing in: Glen Beck, who promoted the Tea Party of 2009, is now saying their motive was race!)was about TARP and the Stimulus is wrong. Either delete the unsupported claim and the empty source 2. Or include the claim, since it has currency in today's political discourse, and the evidence, or lack thereof, for its accuracy.
I would prefer, over deleting the false claim, exposing the falsehood and putting it in the context of efforts to revise history and the motives for such efforts. If the only real issue was Obama's spending (1/3 tax cuts), then the assertion, I would suggest, that TARP was equally a target of protest is a cover for the appearance of racism in their date of emergence as a movement. When a person like Beck makes this connection, and the TARP controversy had unfolded 4 months earlier, even before Obama was elected, and when many, in an apparent effort to show that they are NOT racist, a black candidate who was a Federal REserve officer, there is a likelihood that the historical revision is intended to backpedal from the single-minded assault on Obama, when in terms of policy the protest should have been staged in September of 2008.
These are my speculations, but the claim of TARP protest is NOT backed up by the source and should be deleted or expanded to expose the revision.
Will anyone read this? As a newbie, I am lost....message in a bottle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruffsoft ( talk • contribs) 05:35, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
An editor performed a large revert with only this as an explanation:
I've reviewed the edits and found no BLP violations and no changes against consensus. It would be very helpful if the editor would indicate any specific BLP violations, relevant consensus discussions or other concerns here so that they can be discussed. Xenophrenic ( talk) 14:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Once again, much of the same content has been reverted without discussion. I'm requesting again that editors please raise their concerns here for discussion rather than edit warring. Specific undiscussed and unexplained edits that I've seen include:
Xenophrenic ( talk) 14:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Removal of Trumka content, claiming it is "non-notable". "Notability" is a requirement for article creation, not content within a Wikipedia article. The content is relevant to the subject matter in the article, and significant in that context, so what is the argument for removing it?
Removal of content that indicates Breitbart was not present at the protests. Reliable sources feel that is pertinent information to convey, so it would be POV to omit that on grounds that "we" don't think it is important.
Done †TE† Talk 15:44, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Removal of reliable sources describing the slurs at the health care protests; no explanation given.
Done †TE† Talk 16:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I've made the following edits to the content in the article. They appear uncontroversial to me, but let me know if you have any further concerns.
I've reviewed archived discussions I've had with your ThinkEnemies account, and it seems we've gone over a lot of this same ground before. Maybe it would be helpful to remember that the audio clip transcription produced by that Breitbart opinion writer, Kerry Picket, in the Washington Times piece has several errors. She has Carson saying "and a person said" instead of "and of course he said", and she leaves words out of the "15 times" quote (i.e.; "I heard it..."), among others. Also keep in mind that for Wikipedia editors transcribing spoken words from audio or video sources, is not considered original research, as long as the description of the content from the recording can be "verified by any educated person without specialist knowledge". That seems to be tripping up some editors. Xenophrenic ( talk) 18:26, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
I see no WP:BLP edits by Xenophrenic. After reading both the edit favored by ThinkEnemies and Xenophrenic, I think Xenophrenic edit is far better written and more in line with WP:NPV. Casprings ( talk) 15:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Here's some additional information on the edits I just made:
Moments after the incident, Carson was asked if the people outside were dangerous: "Oh absolutely. I worked in homeland security. I’m from intelligence, and I’ll tell you, one of the largest threats to our internal security…I mean terrorism has an Islamic face, but it really comes from racial supremacist groups."
After the incident, Carson said he "expected rocks to come", and said Capitol Police became aware and surrounded them. When he was asked if he thought the people outside were generally dangerous: "Oh absolutely. I worked in homeland security. I’m from intelligence, and I’ll tell you, one of the largest threats to our internal security…I mean terrorism has an Islamic face, but it really comes from racial supremacist groups. I mean this kind of animosity is the kind of things we keep threat assessments on record." When asked if there was any physical altercation or if anything was thrown, Carson said no, and reiterated the Capitol Police escort.
Xenophrenic ( talk) 09:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
We have some of these "incidents" in two articles still. What are your thoughts about consolidating them in one article? Also, would you be adverse to taking a more encyclopedic, "longer-view" approach to this material? The minutia in these sections, including all the "he said/she said" is a bit overwhelming. Xenophrenic ( talk) 10:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
You've re-instated problematic material again, and I see no explanation for that provided here. Again, whould you please address the concerns itemized above instead of revert-warring? Xenophrenic ( talk) 21:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Latest version by Editor 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tea_Party_protests&oldid=568335461#Reports_of_abusive_behavior
Latest version by Editor 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Tea_Party_protests&oldid=568365883#Reports_of_abusive_behavior
Editor 2 conducted a experiment by emulating the editing-style of Editor 1 here. Though Editor 2 attempted his best impersonation of Editor 1 -- Editor 2 found it difficult to match the POV-pushing and BLP-violating prowess of Editor 1 and fell short. Apparently, that was still more than enough reason for Editor 1 to further their UNDUE editing-pattern here. Editor 1, even while adding more of the trivial, somehow found a way to delete the one of the only references which calls their preferred narrative into question here. While not surprised, Editor 2 is profoundly disappointed with the results as they foolishly believed Editor 1 might finally recognize the error of their own ways. An RfC on Editor 1 also failed to help them see and correct their well-established issues to the determent of this project. I'm calling out for anyone to help before this disruption goes too far. Thanks in advance. †TE† Talk 14:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Congressman André Carson said that as he walked from the Cannon House Office Building with Representative John Lewis and his chief of staff, amid chants of "Kill the bill" he heard the "n-word" about fifteen times coming from several places in the crowd: "One guy, I remember he just rattled it off several times. Then John looks at me and says, 'You know, this reminds me of a different time.'" [1] [2] [3]
Conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, who wasn't present at the protests, said the racial slurs and other allegations by Cleaver, Lewis and Carson were fabricated as part of a plan to annihilate the Tea Party movement by all means necessary and that they never actually happened. He offered to donate $10,000 to the United Negro College Fund if Lewis could provide audio or video footage of the slurs, or pass a lie detector test. The amount was later raised to $100,000 for "hard evidence." [1] [5] [6]
Representative Heath Shuler of North Carolina backed up his colleagues, telling the Hendersonville (N.C.) Times-News that he too heard slurs. "It was the most horrible display of protesting I have ever seen in my life ... It breaks your heart that the way they display their anger is to spit on a member and use that kind of language," Shuler said. [10] Three weeks later, after the issue of whether the N-word was used had turned into a political battle and the Associated Press ran a story on the controversy which quoted the previous Times-News report, Shuler changed his story and told the Associated Press that he heard slurs used against Barney Frank, but not Cleaver. [11] [12] In a statement to the AP, Shuler said: "It's obvious that there was a misunderstanding between me and the reporter. Questions have been raised as to why I did not immediately call to correct the paper, but I understand people make mistakes. I spoke to the reporter, James Shea, regarding a number of racial remarks I heard and heard about on that day. We spoke about protesters screaming at me and my colleagues outside, and particularly the bigotry shown toward three members of Congress, Reps. Emanuel Cleaver, John Lewis and Barney Frank. When I discussed a specific instance of a slur that I heard, I was referring to that directed at Barney Frank. The reporter assumed I was speaking of another instance. It is unfortunate and un-American that rather than condemning the racial remarks and slurs made throughout that weekend we are instead focusing on whether one racially charged word was heard or not." [12] [13] [14] Opinion writer James Taranto of the Wall Street Journal contacted Shuler's press secretary, who stated the congressman heard slurs used against Barney Frank, but not Cleaver. [15]
Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO, corroborated Lewis' version of events during a confrontation with Breitbart at a Harvard Institute of Politics forum by saying, "I watched them spit at people, I watched them call John Lewis the n-word. [...] I witnessed it. I saw it in person. That's real evidence." [18] [19] [20]
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help page).Now you may find me to be somewhat abrasive, but just look at the foolishness you present. Your disruptive actions and lack of coherent rationale would make even Ned Flanders blow a head gasket. †TE† Talk 22:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)
Taking a good look at the recent developments, it appears my work here is done. I'd like to thank Xenophrenic ( talk · contribs) for being such a willing participant in my evidence collection. This process has been an especially difficult one for me, probably a few peccadilloes along the way but I'm sufficiently satisfied with the results -- Which are free for anyone to use if they so choose. Regards ;-) †TE† Talk 15:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Nobody actually said that, except in a title. He says he was misquoted, and the original quote was "corrected" in at least some of the reliable sources. I changed it to "misquoted", but another alternative might be found.
This falls under WP:BLP, so I will continue to remove it when it appears. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 18:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
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