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problems and issues happens all the time and every where, even within the very same family. I think that its not appropriate to mention any of these issues and give a bad reputation about taybeh and Palestine since it just happened only ONCE long time ago, and everything has been SOLVED now and back to normal.-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 17:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
there is NO reason for mentioning it at ALL! if every problem happens has to be reported on wikipedia, then we should change the name from wikipedia to policedia!
this issue happened ONLY ONCE.... long time AGO, and everything is back to normal NOW, so there is NO reason to mention it at all. it's something from the past and the people of taybeh and others do not want it on their page.-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 19:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
i do not see why it has to be mentioned? -- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 19:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
it was a one time event that happened long time ago, there is no need to mention it now. it sounds stupid to mention every problem happens between residents on wikipedia! --
213.6.11.49 (
talk) 20:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
i still do not find any reason to post this issue on wikipedia; it is not related! wikipedia is NOT a website for police reports. this problem happened ONLY once long time ago. I do not think that we should report every problem happens in any city online, its ridiculous! it MUST be deleted-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 10:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
LOL! In that case all events that happened ONLY ONCE A LONG TIME AGO should be deleted from Wikipedia. If you don't like how Wikipedia works, don't use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.30.180 ( talk) 14:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
i reinstated the edit about taybeh being the "only all christian village" as it is supported by the reference given and a number of other references found on google. cheers WookieInHeat ( talk) 02:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
neither Beit Sahour nor fassouta are 100% Christian places! yes they have a christian majority but not 100%!
taybeh is the only one left in Palestine to be 100% Christian village-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 10:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
just a little search on google will prove you wrong again and again; and if you have any problem with the 100% Christian village left in Palestine, maybe its your duty to prove this wrong, instead adding what you like and deleting what you dont like!-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 11:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
maybe you should do a better job at searching--
213.6.11.49 (
talk) 11:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
check them out now and let me know if they still dont work. thx--
213.6.11.49 (
talk) 12:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
so now you are doubting the sources? why would the church promote a lie? why would a christian author and a resident and a wife of the mayor of taybeh lie? why would an internationally recognized and credible organization such as the HCEF lie?
you can keep on googling the issue, and you will even find hundreds of other sources-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
i did read it and found nothing wrong in the sources, especially because many of them are used all over this page and over pages! especially because the sources are the official website of a church, a municipality, a credible international organization and a credible newspaper and others -- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
i do not see how that is contradicting? where is the contradiction?-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
since Taybeh is a 100% Christian village, so all people who move in or out or marry are Christian only; changing belief is not common here, and it never ever happened in the history of Taybeh; and the 100% is from the sources not from me-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
and if you read the rest of the sentence, you will find out that the Muslim pharmacist does NOT live in the Taybeh "But Taybeh is here, the last all-Christian village in the West Bank. The mayor, David (Daoud, originally ) Khoury, owner of the local brewery, returned here from Boston and takes pride in the fact that his village is entirely Christian - apart from the Muslim pharmacist who is married to a Russian woman. His pharmacy may be in the village, but he lives outside it."-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
ALL and ENTIRE is not the same as 100%?
stop deleting sources and references to promote your bias and propaganda!-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 13:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
ur negative and biased role is not appreciated at all-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 16:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear all. Please consider that Taybeh is not 100% Christian anymore. There are over a dozen Muslim families living in Taybeh, in addition to several businesses owned by Muslims in Taybeh such as the town's Pharmacy, Bakery, 2 furniture stores, a wholesale supermarket supply company, a furniture upholstery shop, and 2 markets that sell fruits and vegetables. Additionally, the Taybeh schools have several muslim teachers, the 2 health clinics employ muslim nurses and doctors. So as you see, Taybeh is not 100% Christian anymore. There is no mosque in Taybeh, so the Muslims of Taybeh go to nearby Deir Jreir or Ramun to pray on Fridays. Additionally, most of Taybeh's muslim population are from Hebron, Nablus or Jenin, with a few from nearby Jericho. I know because I am a life-long resident/citizen of Taybeh. RamiHani 11:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Let's start in 1964, when the area was under Jordanian rule. Jordan had no legal claim to the land, and still:
Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.
The Arabs there, who had never ever controlled the area, officially gave up all sovereign claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanlan lanwan ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I think an information about the emigration from Taybeh and about US Taybeh diaspora has to be added. Thoughts, links, etc. will be appreciated.
Also, the copyvio about Taybeh churches has been recently removed, it's worth addition also. --
ElComandanteChe (
talk) 20:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
do you any of those links?--
213.6.36.81 (
talk) 18:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
As the tag itself specifies, it is meant to reference some discussion of the material. What do you challenge Gilabrand? That Taybeh is all-Christian or that it is that last such village in the West Bank? The Levy piece says last all-Christian village in the West Bank, the Time piece says With just 2,000 residents, Taybeh is the last remaining all-Christian village in the Holy Land. Is there a reason we should doubt those two sources? Regarding the undue weight tag, I agree, and Ill look at working on that later if you, or someone else, dont get to it first. nableezy - 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
The article contains the following: The operation of the brewery is opposed by Muslim extremists. The mayor's car has been torched and his property vandalized. This is cited to this op-ed by a comedian. As far as I recall, an op-ed by a comedian is not a suitable source for claiming what Muslim extremists do, and an actually reliable source is needed for the sentence. Please provide one or I will be removing the claim. nableezy - 16:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Gatestone_Institute_and_Taybeh nableezy - 03:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Earlier, the page said:
However, Pringle, 1998, p.
339, writes:
...firstly, the grandfather
Baldwin V of was
William V, Marquess of Montferrat. And the source that I can see (RHC Occ, ii, pp.
14 -
15), clearly mentions a Boniface, presumably
Boniface I, Marquess of Montferrat(?), the uncle of the king. Which was in the article earlier.
Any way, it is clear that Pringle messed up here, somewhere. Huldra ( talk) 22:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I think I see what's going on here...the RHC book (Eracles) and the one edited by Mas Latrie (Ernoul) are actually different manuscript families of the same work, which at this point of the text is actually an Old French translation of the Latin chronicle of William of Tyre. Actually at this point they are continuations, because William's chronicle stops in 1184. Mas Latrie notes in his edition that Boniface is an error in the original manuscripts (i.e. presumably made by the author of whatever manuscripts these two works were based on). Boniface was Baldwin V's uncle, but I don't think he ever had anything to do with the Kingdom of Jerusalem; he did, of course, participate in the Fourth Crusade 15 years later, but he was never in the east in 1185. I guess it's possible that the castle was granted to Boniface, but that doesn't make much sense. We do otherwise know that William V was present in the kingdom, so that makes more sense. Eracles and Ernoul were written later in the thirteenth century, maybe when Boniface was more famous than the other members of his family? I'm not sure why Boniface is named there, but in any case it can't be right. There is probably also some confusion about the numbering of the marquesses of Montferrat, but based on the titles of the Wikipedia articles, William V, Marquess of Montferrat is the father of William of Montferrat, Count of Jaffa and Ascalon, and grandfather of Baldwin V. The one we call William III is far earlier than this, but Pringle isn't the only one to call this guy William III. A few other modern historians of the crusades call him that too, for whatever reason. But in this case it means Wikipedia's William V. Adam Bishop ( talk) 10:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed the following from the article:
In January 2021, Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) led by researchers Tzachi Lang and Kojan Haku announced the discovery of 1,500-year-old mosaic inscription that reads ‘Christ, born of Mary. This work of the most God-fearing and pious bishop [Theodo]sius and the miserable Th[omas] was built from the foundation. Whoever enters should pray for them’ from the frame of an entrance door of a church. [1] [2]
According to archaeologist Dr. Walid Atrash, Theodosius was one of the first Christian bishops and this church was the first evidence of the Byzantine church’s existence in the village of et-Taiyiba. [3] [4]
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This clearly refers to Taibe, Galilee. Alas, this source, from sci-news.com also mix it up, linking to the ARIJ-page for this Palestinian West Bank city(!) see link.
This West Bank Palestinian village is not in the Jezreel Valley, again, that is Taibe, Galilee. Take a look at Taybeh (disambiguation), please.
Also, just writing that the Israel Antiquities Authority had done research into an occupied Palestinian West Bank village should have set some alarm clocks ringing.... Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 21:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
That is in the lead. I don't doubt that TIME wrote it ( link), it just isn't true. People can just click on the "Palestinian Christian communities"-categry list, to find others. When ignorant journalists write untruths, Wikipedia should not report it as the truth. (However much WP:RS it is), Huldra ( talk) 22:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
According to the wikipedia article on it Ephraim in the wilderness, Taybeh is the city of Ephraim in Judah, to which Jesus went between the raising of Lazarus from the dead and the final confrontation in Jerusalem (John 11:54). Should this claim be included? Does anyone know if the locals assert that Jesus was there during this period? Ender's Shadow Snr ( talk) 17:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
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problems and issues happens all the time and every where, even within the very same family. I think that its not appropriate to mention any of these issues and give a bad reputation about taybeh and Palestine since it just happened only ONCE long time ago, and everything has been SOLVED now and back to normal.-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 17:22, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
there is NO reason for mentioning it at ALL! if every problem happens has to be reported on wikipedia, then we should change the name from wikipedia to policedia!
this issue happened ONLY ONCE.... long time AGO, and everything is back to normal NOW, so there is NO reason to mention it at all. it's something from the past and the people of taybeh and others do not want it on their page.-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 19:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
i do not see why it has to be mentioned? -- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 19:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
it was a one time event that happened long time ago, there is no need to mention it now. it sounds stupid to mention every problem happens between residents on wikipedia! --
213.6.11.49 (
talk) 20:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
i still do not find any reason to post this issue on wikipedia; it is not related! wikipedia is NOT a website for police reports. this problem happened ONLY once long time ago. I do not think that we should report every problem happens in any city online, its ridiculous! it MUST be deleted-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 10:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
LOL! In that case all events that happened ONLY ONCE A LONG TIME AGO should be deleted from Wikipedia. If you don't like how Wikipedia works, don't use it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.24.30.180 ( talk) 14:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
i reinstated the edit about taybeh being the "only all christian village" as it is supported by the reference given and a number of other references found on google. cheers WookieInHeat ( talk) 02:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
neither Beit Sahour nor fassouta are 100% Christian places! yes they have a christian majority but not 100%!
taybeh is the only one left in Palestine to be 100% Christian village-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 10:47, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
just a little search on google will prove you wrong again and again; and if you have any problem with the 100% Christian village left in Palestine, maybe its your duty to prove this wrong, instead adding what you like and deleting what you dont like!-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 11:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
maybe you should do a better job at searching--
213.6.11.49 (
talk) 11:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
check them out now and let me know if they still dont work. thx--
213.6.11.49 (
talk) 12:00, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
so now you are doubting the sources? why would the church promote a lie? why would a christian author and a resident and a wife of the mayor of taybeh lie? why would an internationally recognized and credible organization such as the HCEF lie?
you can keep on googling the issue, and you will even find hundreds of other sources-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:09, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
i did read it and found nothing wrong in the sources, especially because many of them are used all over this page and over pages! especially because the sources are the official website of a church, a municipality, a credible international organization and a credible newspaper and others -- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
i do not see how that is contradicting? where is the contradiction?-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:29, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
since Taybeh is a 100% Christian village, so all people who move in or out or marry are Christian only; changing belief is not common here, and it never ever happened in the history of Taybeh; and the 100% is from the sources not from me-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
and if you read the rest of the sentence, you will find out that the Muslim pharmacist does NOT live in the Taybeh "But Taybeh is here, the last all-Christian village in the West Bank. The mayor, David (Daoud, originally ) Khoury, owner of the local brewery, returned here from Boston and takes pride in the fact that his village is entirely Christian - apart from the Muslim pharmacist who is married to a Russian woman. His pharmacy may be in the village, but he lives outside it."-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 12:45, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
ALL and ENTIRE is not the same as 100%?
stop deleting sources and references to promote your bias and propaganda!-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 13:33, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
ur negative and biased role is not appreciated at all-- 213.6.11.49 ( talk) 16:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Dear all. Please consider that Taybeh is not 100% Christian anymore. There are over a dozen Muslim families living in Taybeh, in addition to several businesses owned by Muslims in Taybeh such as the town's Pharmacy, Bakery, 2 furniture stores, a wholesale supermarket supply company, a furniture upholstery shop, and 2 markets that sell fruits and vegetables. Additionally, the Taybeh schools have several muslim teachers, the 2 health clinics employ muslim nurses and doctors. So as you see, Taybeh is not 100% Christian anymore. There is no mosque in Taybeh, so the Muslims of Taybeh go to nearby Deir Jreir or Ramun to pray on Fridays. Additionally, most of Taybeh's muslim population are from Hebron, Nablus or Jenin, with a few from nearby Jericho. I know because I am a life-long resident/citizen of Taybeh. RamiHani 11:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Let's start in 1964, when the area was under Jordanian rule. Jordan had no legal claim to the land, and still:
Article 24: This Organization does not exercise any territorial sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or in the Himmah Area.
The Arabs there, who had never ever controlled the area, officially gave up all sovereign claims. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lanlan lanwan ( talk • contribs) 15:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I think an information about the emigration from Taybeh and about US Taybeh diaspora has to be added. Thoughts, links, etc. will be appreciated.
Also, the copyvio about Taybeh churches has been recently removed, it's worth addition also. --
ElComandanteChe (
talk) 20:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
do you any of those links?--
213.6.36.81 (
talk) 18:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
As the tag itself specifies, it is meant to reference some discussion of the material. What do you challenge Gilabrand? That Taybeh is all-Christian or that it is that last such village in the West Bank? The Levy piece says last all-Christian village in the West Bank, the Time piece says With just 2,000 residents, Taybeh is the last remaining all-Christian village in the Holy Land. Is there a reason we should doubt those two sources? Regarding the undue weight tag, I agree, and Ill look at working on that later if you, or someone else, dont get to it first. nableezy - 05:07, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
The article contains the following: The operation of the brewery is opposed by Muslim extremists. The mayor's car has been torched and his property vandalized. This is cited to this op-ed by a comedian. As far as I recall, an op-ed by a comedian is not a suitable source for claiming what Muslim extremists do, and an actually reliable source is needed for the sentence. Please provide one or I will be removing the claim. nableezy - 16:08, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Gatestone_Institute_and_Taybeh nableezy - 03:11, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
Earlier, the page said:
However, Pringle, 1998, p.
339, writes:
...firstly, the grandfather
Baldwin V of was
William V, Marquess of Montferrat. And the source that I can see (RHC Occ, ii, pp.
14 -
15), clearly mentions a Boniface, presumably
Boniface I, Marquess of Montferrat(?), the uncle of the king. Which was in the article earlier.
Any way, it is clear that Pringle messed up here, somewhere. Huldra ( talk) 22:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
I think I see what's going on here...the RHC book (Eracles) and the one edited by Mas Latrie (Ernoul) are actually different manuscript families of the same work, which at this point of the text is actually an Old French translation of the Latin chronicle of William of Tyre. Actually at this point they are continuations, because William's chronicle stops in 1184. Mas Latrie notes in his edition that Boniface is an error in the original manuscripts (i.e. presumably made by the author of whatever manuscripts these two works were based on). Boniface was Baldwin V's uncle, but I don't think he ever had anything to do with the Kingdom of Jerusalem; he did, of course, participate in the Fourth Crusade 15 years later, but he was never in the east in 1185. I guess it's possible that the castle was granted to Boniface, but that doesn't make much sense. We do otherwise know that William V was present in the kingdom, so that makes more sense. Eracles and Ernoul were written later in the thirteenth century, maybe when Boniface was more famous than the other members of his family? I'm not sure why Boniface is named there, but in any case it can't be right. There is probably also some confusion about the numbering of the marquesses of Montferrat, but based on the titles of the Wikipedia articles, William V, Marquess of Montferrat is the father of William of Montferrat, Count of Jaffa and Ascalon, and grandfather of Baldwin V. The one we call William III is far earlier than this, but Pringle isn't the only one to call this guy William III. A few other modern historians of the crusades call him that too, for whatever reason. But in this case it means Wikipedia's William V. Adam Bishop ( talk) 10:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I removed the following from the article:
In January 2021, Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) led by researchers Tzachi Lang and Kojan Haku announced the discovery of 1,500-year-old mosaic inscription that reads ‘Christ, born of Mary. This work of the most God-fearing and pious bishop [Theodo]sius and the miserable Th[omas] was built from the foundation. Whoever enters should pray for them’ from the frame of an entrance door of a church. [1] [2]
According to archaeologist Dr. Walid Atrash, Theodosius was one of the first Christian bishops and this church was the first evidence of the Byzantine church’s existence in the village of et-Taiyiba. [3] [4]
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This clearly refers to Taibe, Galilee. Alas, this source, from sci-news.com also mix it up, linking to the ARIJ-page for this Palestinian West Bank city(!) see link.
This West Bank Palestinian village is not in the Jezreel Valley, again, that is Taibe, Galilee. Take a look at Taybeh (disambiguation), please.
Also, just writing that the Israel Antiquities Authority had done research into an occupied Palestinian West Bank village should have set some alarm clocks ringing.... Cheers, Huldra ( talk) 21:53, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
That is in the lead. I don't doubt that TIME wrote it ( link), it just isn't true. People can just click on the "Palestinian Christian communities"-categry list, to find others. When ignorant journalists write untruths, Wikipedia should not report it as the truth. (However much WP:RS it is), Huldra ( talk) 22:05, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
According to the wikipedia article on it Ephraim in the wilderness, Taybeh is the city of Ephraim in Judah, to which Jesus went between the raising of Lazarus from the dead and the final confrontation in Jerusalem (John 11:54). Should this claim be included? Does anyone know if the locals assert that Jesus was there during this period? Ender's Shadow Snr ( talk) 17:54, 16 January 2024 (UTC)