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This dish originated in Pakistani city Peshawar, like many other tasty meat dishes. I always knew that :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohestani9 ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't get the difference between chicken tikka and chicken tandoori. � Gulliver 10:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
The photo is definitely not a typical Chicken Tikka serving style. Noone serves rice with it. It is eaten only with chutney and onions. Mihirsaxena 14:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
"Noone serves rice with it". Unfortunately, this isn't true: people do. That doesn't make it right or traditional, of course (I thought the accompaniment should be naan). But I'm seriously concerned about the authenticity of the claims made here. My understanding is that Northern Indian food, particularly of Moghul background, is not very hot, and the ingredients mentioned here are not very typical. In particular:
So, can anybody come up with some good references? Groogle 07:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of temperature, could someone clarify whether the "480 degrees" of a tandoori oven is C or F? BTW, it certainly is served with rice in a British "Indian" context. Could Madhur Jaffrey be a suitable reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.34.187.34 ( talk) 12:13, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
It seems that now the meat dishes are becoming popular in India and the Indians have started to claim every fusion meat dish which were created in mostly Muslim kitchens during the Mughal Empire era. Zaman.hamad ( talk) 01:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC) CU blocked sock of User:WikiBulova (see; [1])
To all people making edits like crazy, it seems obvious that it was created in Peshawar based on the website of the restaurant. http://motimahal.in/about-us/
"Kundan Lal Gujral was born in the first decade of the twentieth century in Chakwal, Undivided Punjab (now in Pakistan). Having lost his father at the tender age of ten, he started looking for avenues to support the family. Kundan Lal was the first in Peshawar to dig a tandoor right in the middle of the eatery. Since then, Peshawar was introduced to the culinary art of Tandoori chicken by Legendary Kundan Lal. This was a grand success. Soon Kundan was in demand for Tandoori delicacy at social gathering and wedding feasts where he would use an improvised tandoor.
However, 1947 brought the tragedy of partition, forcing among others Kundan to flee to India. Uncertainty faced him as he had neither money nor resources to start afresh in life. Kundan dropped off in Delhi to try his luck. Roaming the streets, he chanced upon an abandoned Thara in Daryaganj, and then considered a newer part of old Delhi. Some inner voice told him this was the spot, which would not only rehabilitate him but also, who knows, the Dilli wallas would see merit in his Tandoori chicken."
This is directly from the website, all Indian vandal IP's understand that you might be banned if you keep up the flame war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.74.230.80 ( talk) 04:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I have semi-protected the article for 24 hours to prevent you over-riding each other. Play nice. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I have reverted the article to a neutral state. There is no doubt that, according to the sources
The addition of fake sources to make it appear that the dish was invented in Daryaganj is completely unacceptable, and restoration of such content will result in the article being re-protected and/or those editors being blocked. Black Kite (talk) 12:56, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Agree, there was no Pakistan before 1947 and Kundan was a Punjabi Hindu, some Pak trolls were trying to push their POV on the page. 106.67.52.106 ( talk) 05:22, 10 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.67.46.222 ( talk)
Thanks for the changes, was annoying seeing vandal IP's from India trying to ignore history to suit their beliefs. 73.74.230.80 ( talk) 03:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'd push for the region to be set to Peshawar, British India in the infobox, otherwise it's redundant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.72.75.113 ( talk) 19:38, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
How is it "redundant", stop pushing your POV and stop vandalising the page. 106.67.48.221 ( talk) 06:56, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Because it states it is the in British India of the Indian Subcontinent vs the clearer Peshawar of British India. Your IP shows as from Uttar Pradesh India, I'm American. Stop this India vs Pakistan war. 96.72.75.113 ( talk) 17:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
The inventor of the dish was a Punjabi, who settled in Delhi. Peshawar is neither in Punjab nor near Delhi. Gujral being in Peshawar was incidental, also other sources say it might have been invented in Delhi, you can't add a confusing detail in the infobox. The origin para clearly elaborates its origin, no need to add a misleading info in the infobox. Discuss on talk page before engaging in edit wars. Badri2017 ( talk) 17:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Almost all sources state that he was born in Punjab of modern Pakistan, then moved to Peshawar where he opened the restaurant and served the dish. His own restaurant in Delhi states as much on their official site. There is no valid source that states it was created in Delhi, as Black Kite has stated. It is not misleading info, but clearer info. The only ones trying to keep the infobox as British India are those who want to hide its creation in Peshawar. Go check the site: http://motimahal.in/about-us/ . As this is AGREED UPON, I request the box change to Peshawar, it was definitely not created in Delhi. I request Black Kite (talk) make the changes. Hman101 ( talk) 18:33, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I made the changes that reflect the true origin of the dish. It does not state Pakistan in the origin box; but Peshawar, which is NPOV. Peshawar is an old city that existed in British India and is the undisputed source of the dish. Please bring evidence to the contrary before editing. Hman101 ( talk) 18:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
You can't make changes when a discussion is on, this is edit warring, build a consensus here first by inviting other contributors. Stop pushing your POV. Badri2017 ( talk) 18:48, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
BTW, you are filling in wrong particular, 'region' is suppose to indicate the wider region where the dish is consumed regularly, not a country or city. The 'country' is British India and the 'region' is the Indian subcontinent. Badri2017 ( talk) 19:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Black Kite: Request you to be a part of the discussion here. Badri2017 ( talk) 18:53, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree, there is no POV coming into play with setting Peshawar, it is simply the city it was developed in, and an old one at that which predates Pakistan. Hman101 ( talk) 01:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Considering this as resolved, 2 for and 1 against, it doesn't seem there is any more input to take. Hman101 ( talk) 22:39, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello there!
Please stop deleting sourced material, you seemed to have biased POV in this subject. I have looked at the talkpage and it lends no credence to your claim that I misused the book. Secondly, please start a new discussion on the talk page of tandoori chicken as to why you want to remove sourced material (which is also mentioned by other sources in the article) insteaf of deleting it.
The Gujral claim altogether is weak. The fact only Indian newspapers, which are known for their discrepancies are cited does not help his claim. Secondly, most of them also mention this is Moti Mahal's claim directly or indirectly.The only reason I am not deleting Gujral claim altogether or starting a talk page discussion yet for his claim is that, he has not been valled out clearly by any source.
Tandoori chicken as sourced has been present in the Punjab region for centuries. However, it was not a delicacy, but simply the way people cook meat. Even if you believe Gujral to be the revolutionary inventor it is important mention the rudimentary beginings of the dish.
--Good Day, Nawabmalhi ( talk) 19:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the youtube reference several times but it has since been readded a third time by @
Choosetocount:. I'm not sure why this is being added so I am seeking clarification as it appears to have little encyclopedic value and violates
Wikipedia:Video_links#References, per "If the material in a video only available on YouTube includes content not previously produced or discussed in other reliable sources, then that material may be undue and inappropriate for Wikipedia."
.
Choosetocount could you please explain further? Thanks!
CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
This exact same dish is being presented as both tandoori chicken and chicken tikka. Which one is it? JIP | Talk 16:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Change “is” to “are” or rephrase plurality of raw “chickens” 180.131.213.139 ( talk) 13:01, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
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The current infobox uses a incorrect parameter name. I suggest changing the line
| cuisine = [[Punjabi cuisine|Punjabi]], [[Pakistani cuisine|Pakistani]] [[Indian cuisine|Indian]]
to
| associated_cuisine = [[Punjabi cuisine|Punjabi]], [[Pakistani cuisine|Pakistani]] [[Indian cuisine|Indian]]
RudolfSchreier ( talk) 07:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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This dish originated in Pakistani city Peshawar, like many other tasty meat dishes. I always knew that :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohestani9 ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't get the difference between chicken tikka and chicken tandoori. � Gulliver 10:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
The photo is definitely not a typical Chicken Tikka serving style. Noone serves rice with it. It is eaten only with chutney and onions. Mihirsaxena 14:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
"Noone serves rice with it". Unfortunately, this isn't true: people do. That doesn't make it right or traditional, of course (I thought the accompaniment should be naan). But I'm seriously concerned about the authenticity of the claims made here. My understanding is that Northern Indian food, particularly of Moghul background, is not very hot, and the ingredients mentioned here are not very typical. In particular:
So, can anybody come up with some good references? Groogle 07:04, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Speaking of temperature, could someone clarify whether the "480 degrees" of a tandoori oven is C or F? BTW, it certainly is served with rice in a British "Indian" context. Could Madhur Jaffrey be a suitable reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.34.187.34 ( talk) 12:13, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
It seems that now the meat dishes are becoming popular in India and the Indians have started to claim every fusion meat dish which were created in mostly Muslim kitchens during the Mughal Empire era. Zaman.hamad ( talk) 01:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC) CU blocked sock of User:WikiBulova (see; [1])
To all people making edits like crazy, it seems obvious that it was created in Peshawar based on the website of the restaurant. http://motimahal.in/about-us/
"Kundan Lal Gujral was born in the first decade of the twentieth century in Chakwal, Undivided Punjab (now in Pakistan). Having lost his father at the tender age of ten, he started looking for avenues to support the family. Kundan Lal was the first in Peshawar to dig a tandoor right in the middle of the eatery. Since then, Peshawar was introduced to the culinary art of Tandoori chicken by Legendary Kundan Lal. This was a grand success. Soon Kundan was in demand for Tandoori delicacy at social gathering and wedding feasts where he would use an improvised tandoor.
However, 1947 brought the tragedy of partition, forcing among others Kundan to flee to India. Uncertainty faced him as he had neither money nor resources to start afresh in life. Kundan dropped off in Delhi to try his luck. Roaming the streets, he chanced upon an abandoned Thara in Daryaganj, and then considered a newer part of old Delhi. Some inner voice told him this was the spot, which would not only rehabilitate him but also, who knows, the Dilli wallas would see merit in his Tandoori chicken."
This is directly from the website, all Indian vandal IP's understand that you might be banned if you keep up the flame war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.74.230.80 ( talk) 04:25, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I have semi-protected the article for 24 hours to prevent you over-riding each other. Play nice. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:45, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
I have reverted the article to a neutral state. There is no doubt that, according to the sources
The addition of fake sources to make it appear that the dish was invented in Daryaganj is completely unacceptable, and restoration of such content will result in the article being re-protected and/or those editors being blocked. Black Kite (talk) 12:56, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Agree, there was no Pakistan before 1947 and Kundan was a Punjabi Hindu, some Pak trolls were trying to push their POV on the page. 106.67.52.106 ( talk) 05:22, 10 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.67.46.222 ( talk)
Thanks for the changes, was annoying seeing vandal IP's from India trying to ignore history to suit their beliefs. 73.74.230.80 ( talk) 03:39, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'd push for the region to be set to Peshawar, British India in the infobox, otherwise it's redundant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.72.75.113 ( talk) 19:38, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
How is it "redundant", stop pushing your POV and stop vandalising the page. 106.67.48.221 ( talk) 06:56, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Because it states it is the in British India of the Indian Subcontinent vs the clearer Peshawar of British India. Your IP shows as from Uttar Pradesh India, I'm American. Stop this India vs Pakistan war. 96.72.75.113 ( talk) 17:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
The inventor of the dish was a Punjabi, who settled in Delhi. Peshawar is neither in Punjab nor near Delhi. Gujral being in Peshawar was incidental, also other sources say it might have been invented in Delhi, you can't add a confusing detail in the infobox. The origin para clearly elaborates its origin, no need to add a misleading info in the infobox. Discuss on talk page before engaging in edit wars. Badri2017 ( talk) 17:59, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Almost all sources state that he was born in Punjab of modern Pakistan, then moved to Peshawar where he opened the restaurant and served the dish. His own restaurant in Delhi states as much on their official site. There is no valid source that states it was created in Delhi, as Black Kite has stated. It is not misleading info, but clearer info. The only ones trying to keep the infobox as British India are those who want to hide its creation in Peshawar. Go check the site: http://motimahal.in/about-us/ . As this is AGREED UPON, I request the box change to Peshawar, it was definitely not created in Delhi. I request Black Kite (talk) make the changes. Hman101 ( talk) 18:33, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I made the changes that reflect the true origin of the dish. It does not state Pakistan in the origin box; but Peshawar, which is NPOV. Peshawar is an old city that existed in British India and is the undisputed source of the dish. Please bring evidence to the contrary before editing. Hman101 ( talk) 18:44, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
You can't make changes when a discussion is on, this is edit warring, build a consensus here first by inviting other contributors. Stop pushing your POV. Badri2017 ( talk) 18:48, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
BTW, you are filling in wrong particular, 'region' is suppose to indicate the wider region where the dish is consumed regularly, not a country or city. The 'country' is British India and the 'region' is the Indian subcontinent. Badri2017 ( talk) 19:13, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
@ Black Kite: Request you to be a part of the discussion here. Badri2017 ( talk) 18:53, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree, there is no POV coming into play with setting Peshawar, it is simply the city it was developed in, and an old one at that which predates Pakistan. Hman101 ( talk) 01:14, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Considering this as resolved, 2 for and 1 against, it doesn't seem there is any more input to take. Hman101 ( talk) 22:39, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello there!
Please stop deleting sourced material, you seemed to have biased POV in this subject. I have looked at the talkpage and it lends no credence to your claim that I misused the book. Secondly, please start a new discussion on the talk page of tandoori chicken as to why you want to remove sourced material (which is also mentioned by other sources in the article) insteaf of deleting it.
The Gujral claim altogether is weak. The fact only Indian newspapers, which are known for their discrepancies are cited does not help his claim. Secondly, most of them also mention this is Moti Mahal's claim directly or indirectly.The only reason I am not deleting Gujral claim altogether or starting a talk page discussion yet for his claim is that, he has not been valled out clearly by any source.
Tandoori chicken as sourced has been present in the Punjab region for centuries. However, it was not a delicacy, but simply the way people cook meat. Even if you believe Gujral to be the revolutionary inventor it is important mention the rudimentary beginings of the dish.
--Good Day, Nawabmalhi ( talk) 19:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I have removed the youtube reference several times but it has since been readded a third time by @
Choosetocount:. I'm not sure why this is being added so I am seeking clarification as it appears to have little encyclopedic value and violates
Wikipedia:Video_links#References, per "If the material in a video only available on YouTube includes content not previously produced or discussed in other reliable sources, then that material may be undue and inappropriate for Wikipedia."
.
Choosetocount could you please explain further? Thanks!
CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
13:34, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
This exact same dish is being presented as both tandoori chicken and chicken tikka. Which one is it? JIP | Talk 16:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Change “is” to “are” or rephrase plurality of raw “chickens” 180.131.213.139 ( talk) 13:01, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
The current infobox uses a incorrect parameter name. I suggest changing the line
| cuisine = [[Punjabi cuisine|Punjabi]], [[Pakistani cuisine|Pakistani]] [[Indian cuisine|Indian]]
to
| associated_cuisine = [[Punjabi cuisine|Punjabi]], [[Pakistani cuisine|Pakistani]] [[Indian cuisine|Indian]]
RudolfSchreier ( talk) 07:42, 12 January 2023 (UTC)