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Also known by its German name Rewal? in the first sentence of the article? Isn't that a little over the top? I never heard that name in my life. What is the relationship between any German speaking state and Estonia? If someone proves there was one, the German name should stay but not in this form since it's too over the top. VicFromTheBlock
also please Mr Kenney don't erase my discussion pages from the discussion page and provide explanation for the reversal and actually including this German/Swedish name and what is the historic link between Estonia and that German name and again don't ERASE this legitimate discussion, Who do you think you are to reverse it? Instead of doing that, please provide proof there is a legitimate link, for now I do not see one so it's off again. VicFromTheBlock
http://www.zeit.de/2003/21/P-Petersburg
http://www.welt.de/data/2005/08/02/753902.html
http://www.welt.de/data/2005/06/30/739045.html
http://www.welt.de/data/2004/02/07/233584.html <- while in others "reval" is just used(ie in brackets), in here it actually says "an Riga und Reval, an Stockholm oder St. Petersburg hängen".
hope, that's helpful
I note a coupld of the other wikis have Tallinn pics too, although I humbly submit that the one I just added is better. :-) Stan 05:25, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Looking at the two current pictures, "Tallinn from the sea" and "Port of Tallinn", it seems their descriptions have traded place. Brainheart 03:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Could 67.172.223.106 please motivate, why he/she removed the photo of Alexander Nevski Cathedral? -- Pt 22:20, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This probably is a highly individual thing, I managed to insult a fair share of Estonians though on my first visit to Tallinn by having been impressed ;) .. the explenation I got was that it was intentionally built on the highest spot in central Tallinn when the Russian Empire was in charge .. which just happens to be the central spot of Estonian mythology (in the Estonian mythology, the national hero Kalevipoeg was buried there .. the hill it is built on was constructed by his mother as a monument.) The square it was built on carried the name "square of power" till the construction of Nevski Cathedral, it was built right beside the toompea castle, the historical center of Tallinn, in order to overtower it. That all .. and it was built as Russian as a building could possibly be. It was definitely built as a symbol as of who will be in power in Tallinn in future, most Talliners still don't appreciate that thought. Also by now, most Tallinn Estonians really don't dig it from my own experience. They especially dislike it when people from the west see it as a "typical" monument of Tallinn without noticing just what its symbolic meaning is for them. I'm guessing it was removed by a random pissed off person due to its implications that might have prefered a picture of Niguliste church there instead but didn't want to bother finding one.
"I agree, Nevski should go. It is an important building and it is in Estonia, however I don't think it is something that the Estonians feel any cultural attachment to. " -- That's an amazingly ignorant comment. About 30 % of Estonian citizens have Orthodox Christian heritage ( inlduding at least 10 % of ethnic Estonians and close to 50 % of Tallinn residents) , how on earth Estonians have no cultural attachment to it ?
Fisenko 22:00, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
If the word "Estonians" applies to all the citizens of Estonia (as it would in most countries of the world), many Estonians are clearly "fond of the ANC", since it is the most popular Orthodox Christian cathedral in Tallinn. Fisenko 00:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Russia traces its historic origin to the medieval states of Kievan Rus and Muscovy, modern Estonia can only trace its historic origin to the Estonian republic of 1918. Fisenko 18:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The origin of all modern nation-states can be traced back to no earlier than the beginning of the 19th century Surely no magic transformation happened with Russian state in early 19th century since it was the same Empire ruled by the same dynasty as it was in the 17th century. But this besides the point. More to the point there are some historic facts you are ignoring: Historically "proto-Russians" and "proto-Estonians" just as often fought alongside each other against "proto-Germans" as vice versa. Few examples would include 1217 campaign and siege of Otepää, 1223-1224 duke Vyachko's campaign to help "proto-Estonians" to defend Tartu. Pskov support for "proto-Estonian" St.George's night uprising in 1343. Even more important is the fact what "Russification" campaign of the 1880s and 1890s in Estonia was not directed at Estonians. It was directed at the Germans who dominated the region at the time. At the same time as German barons and German and Jewish townspeople of Tallinn were "Russified" by the construction of St. Nevsky Cathedral , Estonians who were mostly rural people (may be large part of Tartu's residents but certainly not Tallinn's) were for the first time educated not in German but now in Estonian and Russian which most of them at the time was saw as progress. Fisenko 16:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
There was no Estonia when Alexander Nevsky Cathedral was built. There were no people called Estonians in 1890s (Estonian was a Russian or a German or anyone since most normal humans don't define themselves strictly in terms of ethnicity. The rural folk who spoke the Finno-Ugric language-modern Estonian, were called Esths. Don't invent history. The Cathedral does not reporesent the religion of a minority but that of one more than one third of the city's inhabitants. It is pathetic to see how Estonian ethnofascists manage to harness Wikipedia to engage in their usual censorship.
I wonder if the name Reval is really still used anywhere. In Estonia, at least, it exists only in historical documents. But I noticed that Torfkopp has recently added a sentence that seems to show that it is still being used... -- Pt 16:52, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Estonian (and Finnish) word "linna" originally was refering to a stronghold or a castle. In Sweden the verb "linda" is synonymous to "wire" or "wrap around" (as the castle wall wraps around the castle). My source tells me the name is "Daani-linn" not "Taani" and "Daani" is also the Estonian (and Finnish) word for Denmark. The "T" is from later German missinterpetation.
There's no "D" in Estonian words -- Bete 09:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The second interpreting of the name is therefore not wery likeley I think - farmers did not have castles. Dut the Danes had a number of trading-cities, (example: York, Visby, Kaupang) outside thier own area (viking era). Tallin is (most probably) one of these towns. // Solkoll 11:23, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Also known by its German name Rewal? in the first sentence of the article? Isn't that a little over the top? I never heard that name in my life. What is the relationship between any German speaking state and Estonia? If someone proves there was one, the German name should stay but not in this form since it's too over the top. VicFromTheBlock
How come Reval is claimed to be German name? Isn't it the name of Rävala, old norhten Estonian tribe and a small county? -- Bete 09:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
But AFAIK the theory of "Tallinn<=Taani linn" still remains unresolved among linguists. In estonian it feels very much hard-forced explanation, not seeming at all vocally natural, even considering the evolution of language through time.
beacuse there is also Toompea = Dome Hill = uptown = uphill = "ülalinn" = Kalevite kants = Castle of Kalevs = Kalevan linna = Kolõvan(???)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal <-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley
04. December 2005
http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasutaja:Suwa
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'tall' meaning in estonian 'horse stable' -> Stable Town, as it was the most important trading centre where to all roads took. :)
Isn't the finnish word for house even closer and therefore more likely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.74.241.182 ( talk) 14:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a travel guide. This section should therefore be reformatted to be more typical of an encyclopedia, rather than a travel guide such as Wikitravel. Any comments before I start? Wikiacc (talk) 23:15, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
I reverted some of Boothy443's revision, as some of the removed text was good wikipedia material. I re-added information about the ferry lines operating in the port, and links to the Tallinn airport and seaport. -- Nuffle 20:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
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I think the hotel in question is Reval Hotel Olümpia, commonly known just as "Olümpia". Mardus 11:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Olympic hotel will do just fine, because all the other are also translated. and Olympic translates as Olümpia (om. kääne)
The Olympic village has AFAIK nothing to do with Reval Hotel Olümpia. It is located in Piritta, 6 km eastwards from Tallinn. In 2010 the Olympic Village goes by the name of Piritta Top Spa Hotel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.153.224 ( talk) 10:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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The number seems to be fairly recent /around 2000-2004, but the exact Eurostat source and year of publication are missing. Mardus 11:57, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I think that the years on population table should be displayed as links to these years. Tiigrikutzu 10:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to create a separate article that deals specifically with Old Tallinn and Tallinn's history in more detail?
Reasons for this suggestion is that, Old Tallinn is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and thus maybe deserves a separate article as such.
There is also at least one other example in Wikipedia where this is done, namely Old Rauma is separated from main article Rauma, Finland.
I also found a short article, Legends of Tallinn, that would make a fine addition to Old Tallinn article, but is just too short on it's own.
Brainheart 03:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be simpler to substitute a different landmark, one with less controversy and baggage? Durova 11:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Ethnic Russians? Ethnicity is of irrelevance in Russia, unlike the Esths Russians - or the French - do not define themselves in terms of ethnicity - the fact is that Esthonia was a part of Russia (its borders do not coincide with today's ethnonazi statelet though), and the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral is as representative of Reval's architecture as is ... pick the building. Attempts to censor not just history but even city are appalling though typical of what is going on in that former Soviet republic.
Just out of curiosity: is Tallinn a commodity of some kind to have a logo? Does London have a logo? Or is it a logo of a local radio station (as it seems to be)? And if it is, does it have to be in the article? — Barbatus 17:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone have a problem with the remove of the coding for the old infobox, since the article has a usable one currently. Basically it would just free up some space. -- Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
According to the Kiel page, Kiel is twinned with Tallinn. Indeed, I seem to remember seeing something like that on the city signs there; can anybody shed any light on this (and add it to the section on the Tallinn page or remove it from the Kiel one)? Cheers! 82.32.65.149 23:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the picture description about St. Olaf's church should be corrected, because it is not only the highest building in Old Town, but is also the highest building in Tallinn. Curgny 12:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a strange sentence:
Skype is the best-known of several Tallinn IT start-ups, and a first venture capital firm was founded in 2005.
If these are two separate pieces of information (1: "skype is ..." and 2: "First venture ..."), they could be in different sentences. Or is there a connection? "Skype is the first venture ..."? And I don't think the first venture capital firm was founded so late, I'm sure it was much earlier. I even wrote a bachelor's study in 2003 about venture capital in Estonia and included a part about Estonian venture capital providers.
What's the source of "first venture capital firm was founded in 2005"? —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
213.35.168.61 (
talk) 18:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
I have removed this second info box from the main article. I have placed it here for reference, but please do not re-include it as articles should only have one info box. Alan.ca 16:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
UNESCO World Heritage Site | |
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Criteria | Cultural: ii, iv |
Reference | 822 |
Inscription | 1997 (21st Session) |
What exactly is meant by a red-linked "Chivalry of Estonia"? Olessi 02:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Estländische Ritterschaft, of course ( http://www.baltische-ritterschaften.de/Ritterschaften/Estland/estland.htm). It is not a correct translation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.110.66 ( talk • contribs)
But why Baltic German-populated? Most of them spoke Estonian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.110.66 ( talk • contribs)
The aristocracy of Livonia was primarily Baltic German, and the external link you provided makes this quite clear. Simple calling a group "Estonian Knighthood" implies in English that they are ethnic Estonians; clarifying that the group was actually Baltic German does a better job of informing our target audience of what the group actually was. Olessi 15:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If anybody needs a little material for the history bit, here is a drawing of a former seal
Valentinian T / C 21:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
This is how the correct history goes. Short describtion of Alfred Rambaund´s "Russia" (1900): "In the north Kolyvan was bought from the king of Denmark, after the fiercest disputes. Under its rock lies Kolyvan, a Titan hero of Finnish Tchoud-Esthonians. Kalevy-poeg or "the son of Kalev". Thus there was an ancient Aesti wooden Hillfort at the rock of Toompea called Kavevi. Name Kolywan is the Slavonic version written down in Kieva (Kywa) by Nestor and other monks. If there was not a Hillfort so why the Rurik Dynasty Prince from Kieva would laid a siege of it in 1030 "when he captured all the land except Kolyvan and opened the sea for the Rus, baptized whole Korela (Karelia) and destroyed all the pagans in Beloozero / Valgiajärv (White Lake)" by later written nonsense of Kievan monks. May I point out the following from Rambaund´s text: Another song of Weisland (Whiteland) as Esthonia was called. Thus, how can a monk in Kieva, never visited in the area, separate several Valgiajärvis / Beloozeros to the correct one? If the land was called Whiteland also the Great lake was called Valgiajärv ie. Whitelake before named to Lake Peipus or Peipsijärv the lake of White Eyed Chouds who mined iron and copper on its shores. As described by Nestor and his fellowers: The Great Novgorod started to mine iron and copper on the shores of the sea. This in 1030, according to the monk caves in Monastery in Kieva. There is even attempt to make the whole sea to "Sea of Rus". There was infact copper mined in Vasknarva at the Neck of Naarva River by the Tshouds as Rambaud continues: It is close to the poem where "raudamched" in Tchoud language are described: No iron cannot penetrate their armour,nor the axe break it. Even today the Russian call the Great Lake Tshudovskoje ozero.
Eero Kuussaari: Suomen Suvun Tiet (1935) "The Power of Kalevalaiset (Kalevaisten) is mentioned also in Anglo-Saxon Beowulf song which was written down c. 500 AD. There appear also in addition to Attila, Ermanarik, etc others also as the King of Finns under name Caelic which is transliteration of Finnish Kaleva, Estonian Kalev-Regu, and Lithuanian Kalvis (blacksmith). Born in Kalerva estate, our famous shine in the high hard rock in the land of Viru Isthmus. Son of heroes lineage. King of Poimari, guard of silver island, to the king of the Karielas. (Karjalan kuninkahaksi)".
(My free transliteration).
Regards:
In the condensed section the map image should be changed with larger view of Northern Europe,
just like it is under Stockholm and Helsinki pages.
The red dot indicating the location of Tallinn is in the wrong place too. Not sure how to change it and rather busy to find the lime to learn at present. 79.86.198.152 ( talk) 15:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I think Silja Line no more operates between Helsinki and Tallinn, they lost superseacats when Tallink bought Silja.-- 62.65.192.83 ( talk) 17:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
My parets have recently returned from Tallinn, back to England, and brought with them a silver ornament of a rat, laughitng with a round belly. They believe it is symbolic only to Tallinn as they were sold a lot in Tallin. What is this symbol? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.117.4 ( talk) 18:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
probably nothing. many things may be sold in many places. it's just a souvenire 82.131.76.99 ( talk) 18:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Tallinn University is not only former "Tallinn Pedagogical University", but also EHI (Estonian Institute of Humanities), Institute of History, Baltic Film and Media School (SIC!) and many other institutions that joined and now are called "Tallinn University".
My suggestion is to remove the comment about the pedagogical university and remove distinct entry of "Baltic Film and Media School" under Education. Ats Puu ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC).
This article looks really ugly, I mean look at it, so bad positioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.10.185 ( talk) 16:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Er what? Am I to understand that Estonian place-names never occur in the nominative? — Tamfang ( talk) 19:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
That is true, you can't find a single (as far as I know) place-name in Estonia that ends with a consonant - of course, the exception being Tallinn. H2ppyme ( talk) 20:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, but I think the question that you want to answer is not the one that I want to ask! I am not surprised to learn that all or most place-names end in vowels; that's true in many languages. I am not surprised to learn that the genitive (of at least some nouns) adds a vowel. (Well, a little bit surprised, since I believe that in Finnish the genitive has –n; but that's not important.) What puzzles me is the parenthetical remark that these two facts are related: that the final vowel in place-names denotes the genitive case. Is there a rule against sentences in which the subject is a place-name? Or is it customary to list place-names (on maps and indices) in the genitive? Or can I reasonably suppose that the person who added the parenthesis was confused? — Tamfang ( talk) 01:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, so much is clear to me that currently in the article the sentence: making the new name notable since Estonian-language place names always end with a vowel (denoting the genitive case) doesn't make much sense. Other than that ~linna vs. ~linn. In Baltic Finnic languages the word originally simply meant a stronghold. In Finnish linna still means a castle, in Estonian it became to mean a town. Estonians foreshortened the word by removing the ~a from the end at one point and...what is this notability of foreshortening the linna word all about, I have no idea. But since such a strange notability factor is not sourced and it doesn't make much sense, it should be simply removed.-- Termer ( talk) 03:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a soviet map or any other information on exact boundaries of administrative districts of Tallinn (Lenin, Kalinin, Oktober and Sea districts)? DVoit 20:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Should the Old Town of Tallinn be considered an independent entity/article from Tallinn? I would love to contribute to its wonderful new beginning. Although I wasn't born there, I spent 3 amazing years living inside the old city working as a carpenter / electrical engineer for a local construction company. Word, ( Spacestoned ( talk) 03:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC))
Is there a link between the Estonian Tallinn and the Welsh Tal Y Llyn meaning the end of the Lake? Roarmezma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.160.93.158 ( talk) 15:17, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
What is meant by this exactly?
And is it a reasonable assumption that it is referring to Northern Europe by the UN definition, given that it links to that article and that's the only precise definition it gives? — Smjg ( talk) 23:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
"Tallinn was founded in 1248, but the earliest human settlements are over 5,000 years old, making it one of the oldest capital cities of Northern Europe" -- The 5000-year old finds are from the Neolithic Comb Ceramic culture, which did not build cities and had no capitals, so the claim is rather absurd. Stone Age finds are known from the surroundings of all Scandinavian capitals (with the natural exception of Reykjavik) and many other cities, but none of them claim that their status AS CITIES derives from this period. Whether or not London qualifies as "Northern Europe" is another question altogether.-- Death Bredon ( talk) 21:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
The collage in the infobox ( File:Tallinncollage2012.jpg) has an image of what is described as "The Cross of Freedom". I'm curious as to what it is. The rest of the article doesn't mention it, and it appears to be computer generated. Gabbe ( talk) 01:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
It's a freedom memorial built in 2009, located at the Freedom Square. Found some info here: http://www.inyourpocket.com/estonia/tallinn/sightseeing/Tallinn-monuments/The-Freedom-Monument_54648v I also just found an Wikipedia article of it here by the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Independence_Victory_Column Not sure, maybe I've used the wrong name. Although in translation it is usually referred just as Cross of Liberty/Freedom around here. Not sure why there's not much info about it. Xxxnmxxx ( talk) 01:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone is constantly changing the pictures of the City to right without notifying anyone on the talk page. This is an act of vandalism, please state why you are changing the pictures before doing so. I have redone the changes back to how it was DjSeptimus ( talk) 14:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
He keeps on doing it over and over... — Preceding unsigned comment added by DjSeptimus ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
user 220.248.60.100 is constantly trying to change the collage pictures to the right without stating why. DjSeptimus ( talk) 14:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't Tallinn have built-up area bigger than city proper? Or Metropolitan area? Inkogn ( talk) 14:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
The toponymy section lists previous names Kolyvan (Qlwn, Qalaven), Lindanisa (Lyndanisse, Lindanäs, Ledenets), Reval (Rääveli, Rafala, Revel) and says the name Tallinn replaced Reval in "1918-20". But it's not clear whether this was the first time the name Tallinn was used, or whether it had been used before then. This needs to be sorted out. Beautifultree ( talk) 20:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 06:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
If we claim that Eesti Energia is "the world biggest oil to energy company" then the statement should be referenced. Currently it is referenced to http://www.easac.org/fileadmin/PDF_s/reports_statements/Study.pdf I have looked throgh this report but failed to find any ranging of the world oild shale companies. The report is also very old - 2007 while the oil shale revolution in the USA happens after 2010. Since a significant percentage of the USA-produced oil and natural gas comes from shale it highly unlikely that Estonia produces more energy from oil shale even if Narva Electric Station produces 80% of country energy from oil shale - the scales of economies of the USA and Estonia are just almost incomparable. Since Eesti Energy is a player on the USA oil shale market as well via its subsidiaries it is theoretically possible to be the first but it needs to be sourced.
Also we need to explain by what criteria Eesti is the world biggest: oil shale resources, oil shale production, electricity produced, market capitalisation, number of employees, etc. It is not clear now Alex Bakharev ( talk) 09:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
How is "Tallinn" pronounced? Where is the stress? CarolinianJeff ( talk) 19:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Recently, I have edited the weather box/climate table since it has been changed dramatically (I last edited in 2013). However, it has been removed a couple of times ( [8], [9] and [10]). I do object to removing the weather box for a couple of reasons:
There has been no snowfall in Tallinn during these months. According to the Estonian weather service at the end of September snow in Estonia was registered only in northeastern Estonia not in Tallinn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vda46y ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Uploaded a new montage with a better layout and better quality images. User Schpider insists to use the Template:Photomontage inspired by the Berlin article, which I disagree to. The idea is good but the Template is faulty by nature, allowing only certain dimensions for images and an inflexible layout. There's no point of uploading and congesting Commons with cropped versions of multiple pictures just to be able to use the template. As stated in the Template talk:Photomontage it's "better to just create a single montage image and upload it to wikicommons" to avoid issues regarding browser compatibility. I haven't come across any other city article that would use the same template besides Berlin, even the cities represented in the Template:Photomontage tutorial page have opted out from using the template because of it's inconvenience. Hopefully this discussion can avoid another disruptive edit from Schpider who has been warned about his action. SvenEst ( talk) 08:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I've added a section recently on notable people from Tallinn. Contributor 27.32.240.206 has taken steps to hide the section although not, I'm please to say, deleted it. He/she says the new section "clutters" the article. Many cities listed in Wikipedia include a section on notable people. What do others readers think, would they prefer the new notables section to be openly accessible or hidden? ArbieP ( talk) 20:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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Also known by its German name Rewal? in the first sentence of the article? Isn't that a little over the top? I never heard that name in my life. What is the relationship between any German speaking state and Estonia? If someone proves there was one, the German name should stay but not in this form since it's too over the top. VicFromTheBlock
also please Mr Kenney don't erase my discussion pages from the discussion page and provide explanation for the reversal and actually including this German/Swedish name and what is the historic link between Estonia and that German name and again don't ERASE this legitimate discussion, Who do you think you are to reverse it? Instead of doing that, please provide proof there is a legitimate link, for now I do not see one so it's off again. VicFromTheBlock
http://www.zeit.de/2003/21/P-Petersburg
http://www.welt.de/data/2005/08/02/753902.html
http://www.welt.de/data/2005/06/30/739045.html
http://www.welt.de/data/2004/02/07/233584.html <- while in others "reval" is just used(ie in brackets), in here it actually says "an Riga und Reval, an Stockholm oder St. Petersburg hängen".
hope, that's helpful
I note a coupld of the other wikis have Tallinn pics too, although I humbly submit that the one I just added is better. :-) Stan 05:25, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Looking at the two current pictures, "Tallinn from the sea" and "Port of Tallinn", it seems their descriptions have traded place. Brainheart 03:25, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Could 67.172.223.106 please motivate, why he/she removed the photo of Alexander Nevski Cathedral? -- Pt 22:20, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This probably is a highly individual thing, I managed to insult a fair share of Estonians though on my first visit to Tallinn by having been impressed ;) .. the explenation I got was that it was intentionally built on the highest spot in central Tallinn when the Russian Empire was in charge .. which just happens to be the central spot of Estonian mythology (in the Estonian mythology, the national hero Kalevipoeg was buried there .. the hill it is built on was constructed by his mother as a monument.) The square it was built on carried the name "square of power" till the construction of Nevski Cathedral, it was built right beside the toompea castle, the historical center of Tallinn, in order to overtower it. That all .. and it was built as Russian as a building could possibly be. It was definitely built as a symbol as of who will be in power in Tallinn in future, most Talliners still don't appreciate that thought. Also by now, most Tallinn Estonians really don't dig it from my own experience. They especially dislike it when people from the west see it as a "typical" monument of Tallinn without noticing just what its symbolic meaning is for them. I'm guessing it was removed by a random pissed off person due to its implications that might have prefered a picture of Niguliste church there instead but didn't want to bother finding one.
"I agree, Nevski should go. It is an important building and it is in Estonia, however I don't think it is something that the Estonians feel any cultural attachment to. " -- That's an amazingly ignorant comment. About 30 % of Estonian citizens have Orthodox Christian heritage ( inlduding at least 10 % of ethnic Estonians and close to 50 % of Tallinn residents) , how on earth Estonians have no cultural attachment to it ?
Fisenko 22:00, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
If the word "Estonians" applies to all the citizens of Estonia (as it would in most countries of the world), many Estonians are clearly "fond of the ANC", since it is the most popular Orthodox Christian cathedral in Tallinn. Fisenko 00:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Russia traces its historic origin to the medieval states of Kievan Rus and Muscovy, modern Estonia can only trace its historic origin to the Estonian republic of 1918. Fisenko 18:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
The origin of all modern nation-states can be traced back to no earlier than the beginning of the 19th century Surely no magic transformation happened with Russian state in early 19th century since it was the same Empire ruled by the same dynasty as it was in the 17th century. But this besides the point. More to the point there are some historic facts you are ignoring: Historically "proto-Russians" and "proto-Estonians" just as often fought alongside each other against "proto-Germans" as vice versa. Few examples would include 1217 campaign and siege of Otepää, 1223-1224 duke Vyachko's campaign to help "proto-Estonians" to defend Tartu. Pskov support for "proto-Estonian" St.George's night uprising in 1343. Even more important is the fact what "Russification" campaign of the 1880s and 1890s in Estonia was not directed at Estonians. It was directed at the Germans who dominated the region at the time. At the same time as German barons and German and Jewish townspeople of Tallinn were "Russified" by the construction of St. Nevsky Cathedral , Estonians who were mostly rural people (may be large part of Tartu's residents but certainly not Tallinn's) were for the first time educated not in German but now in Estonian and Russian which most of them at the time was saw as progress. Fisenko 16:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
There was no Estonia when Alexander Nevsky Cathedral was built. There were no people called Estonians in 1890s (Estonian was a Russian or a German or anyone since most normal humans don't define themselves strictly in terms of ethnicity. The rural folk who spoke the Finno-Ugric language-modern Estonian, were called Esths. Don't invent history. The Cathedral does not reporesent the religion of a minority but that of one more than one third of the city's inhabitants. It is pathetic to see how Estonian ethnofascists manage to harness Wikipedia to engage in their usual censorship.
I wonder if the name Reval is really still used anywhere. In Estonia, at least, it exists only in historical documents. But I noticed that Torfkopp has recently added a sentence that seems to show that it is still being used... -- Pt 16:52, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Estonian (and Finnish) word "linna" originally was refering to a stronghold or a castle. In Sweden the verb "linda" is synonymous to "wire" or "wrap around" (as the castle wall wraps around the castle). My source tells me the name is "Daani-linn" not "Taani" and "Daani" is also the Estonian (and Finnish) word for Denmark. The "T" is from later German missinterpetation.
There's no "D" in Estonian words -- Bete 09:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The second interpreting of the name is therefore not wery likeley I think - farmers did not have castles. Dut the Danes had a number of trading-cities, (example: York, Visby, Kaupang) outside thier own area (viking era). Tallin is (most probably) one of these towns. // Solkoll 11:23, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Also known by its German name Rewal? in the first sentence of the article? Isn't that a little over the top? I never heard that name in my life. What is the relationship between any German speaking state and Estonia? If someone proves there was one, the German name should stay but not in this form since it's too over the top. VicFromTheBlock
How come Reval is claimed to be German name? Isn't it the name of Rävala, old norhten Estonian tribe and a small county? -- Bete 09:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
But AFAIK the theory of "Tallinn<=Taani linn" still remains unresolved among linguists. In estonian it feels very much hard-forced explanation, not seeming at all vocally natural, even considering the evolution of language through time.
beacuse there is also Toompea = Dome Hill = uptown = uphill = "ülalinn" = Kalevite kants = Castle of Kalevs = Kalevan linna = Kolõvan(???)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tal <-> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley
04. December 2005
http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasutaja:Suwa
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'tall' meaning in estonian 'horse stable' -> Stable Town, as it was the most important trading centre where to all roads took. :)
Isn't the finnish word for house even closer and therefore more likely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.74.241.182 ( talk) 14:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a travel guide. This section should therefore be reformatted to be more typical of an encyclopedia, rather than a travel guide such as Wikitravel. Any comments before I start? Wikiacc (talk) 23:15, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
I reverted some of Boothy443's revision, as some of the removed text was good wikipedia material. I re-added information about the ferry lines operating in the port, and links to the Tallinn airport and seaport. -- Nuffle 20:44, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
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I think the hotel in question is Reval Hotel Olümpia, commonly known just as "Olümpia". Mardus 11:47, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
Olympic hotel will do just fine, because all the other are also translated. and Olympic translates as Olümpia (om. kääne)
The Olympic village has AFAIK nothing to do with Reval Hotel Olümpia. It is located in Piritta, 6 km eastwards from Tallinn. In 2010 the Olympic Village goes by the name of Piritta Top Spa Hotel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.153.224 ( talk) 10:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
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The number seems to be fairly recent /around 2000-2004, but the exact Eurostat source and year of publication are missing. Mardus 11:57, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I think that the years on population table should be displayed as links to these years. Tiigrikutzu 10:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Would it be a good idea to create a separate article that deals specifically with Old Tallinn and Tallinn's history in more detail?
Reasons for this suggestion is that, Old Tallinn is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and thus maybe deserves a separate article as such.
There is also at least one other example in Wikipedia where this is done, namely Old Rauma is separated from main article Rauma, Finland.
I also found a short article, Legends of Tallinn, that would make a fine addition to Old Tallinn article, but is just too short on it's own.
Brainheart 03:39, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be simpler to substitute a different landmark, one with less controversy and baggage? Durova 11:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Ethnic Russians? Ethnicity is of irrelevance in Russia, unlike the Esths Russians - or the French - do not define themselves in terms of ethnicity - the fact is that Esthonia was a part of Russia (its borders do not coincide with today's ethnonazi statelet though), and the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral is as representative of Reval's architecture as is ... pick the building. Attempts to censor not just history but even city are appalling though typical of what is going on in that former Soviet republic.
Just out of curiosity: is Tallinn a commodity of some kind to have a logo? Does London have a logo? Or is it a logo of a local radio station (as it seems to be)? And if it is, does it have to be in the article? — Barbatus 17:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone have a problem with the remove of the coding for the old infobox, since the article has a usable one currently. Basically it would just free up some space. -- Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
According to the Kiel page, Kiel is twinned with Tallinn. Indeed, I seem to remember seeing something like that on the city signs there; can anybody shed any light on this (and add it to the section on the Tallinn page or remove it from the Kiel one)? Cheers! 82.32.65.149 23:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the picture description about St. Olaf's church should be corrected, because it is not only the highest building in Old Town, but is also the highest building in Tallinn. Curgny 12:40, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
This is a strange sentence:
Skype is the best-known of several Tallinn IT start-ups, and a first venture capital firm was founded in 2005.
If these are two separate pieces of information (1: "skype is ..." and 2: "First venture ..."), they could be in different sentences. Or is there a connection? "Skype is the first venture ..."? And I don't think the first venture capital firm was founded so late, I'm sure it was much earlier. I even wrote a bachelor's study in 2003 about venture capital in Estonia and included a part about Estonian venture capital providers.
What's the source of "first venture capital firm was founded in 2005"? —The preceding
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I have removed this second info box from the main article. I have placed it here for reference, but please do not re-include it as articles should only have one info box. Alan.ca 16:44, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
UNESCO World Heritage Site | |
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Criteria | Cultural: ii, iv |
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Inscription | 1997 (21st Session) |
What exactly is meant by a red-linked "Chivalry of Estonia"? Olessi 02:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Estländische Ritterschaft, of course ( http://www.baltische-ritterschaften.de/Ritterschaften/Estland/estland.htm). It is not a correct translation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.110.66 ( talk • contribs)
But why Baltic German-populated? Most of them spoke Estonian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.110.66 ( talk • contribs)
The aristocracy of Livonia was primarily Baltic German, and the external link you provided makes this quite clear. Simple calling a group "Estonian Knighthood" implies in English that they are ethnic Estonians; clarifying that the group was actually Baltic German does a better job of informing our target audience of what the group actually was. Olessi 15:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
If anybody needs a little material for the history bit, here is a drawing of a former seal
Valentinian T / C 21:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
This is how the correct history goes. Short describtion of Alfred Rambaund´s "Russia" (1900): "In the north Kolyvan was bought from the king of Denmark, after the fiercest disputes. Under its rock lies Kolyvan, a Titan hero of Finnish Tchoud-Esthonians. Kalevy-poeg or "the son of Kalev". Thus there was an ancient Aesti wooden Hillfort at the rock of Toompea called Kavevi. Name Kolywan is the Slavonic version written down in Kieva (Kywa) by Nestor and other monks. If there was not a Hillfort so why the Rurik Dynasty Prince from Kieva would laid a siege of it in 1030 "when he captured all the land except Kolyvan and opened the sea for the Rus, baptized whole Korela (Karelia) and destroyed all the pagans in Beloozero / Valgiajärv (White Lake)" by later written nonsense of Kievan monks. May I point out the following from Rambaund´s text: Another song of Weisland (Whiteland) as Esthonia was called. Thus, how can a monk in Kieva, never visited in the area, separate several Valgiajärvis / Beloozeros to the correct one? If the land was called Whiteland also the Great lake was called Valgiajärv ie. Whitelake before named to Lake Peipus or Peipsijärv the lake of White Eyed Chouds who mined iron and copper on its shores. As described by Nestor and his fellowers: The Great Novgorod started to mine iron and copper on the shores of the sea. This in 1030, according to the monk caves in Monastery in Kieva. There is even attempt to make the whole sea to "Sea of Rus". There was infact copper mined in Vasknarva at the Neck of Naarva River by the Tshouds as Rambaud continues: It is close to the poem where "raudamched" in Tchoud language are described: No iron cannot penetrate their armour,nor the axe break it. Even today the Russian call the Great Lake Tshudovskoje ozero.
Eero Kuussaari: Suomen Suvun Tiet (1935) "The Power of Kalevalaiset (Kalevaisten) is mentioned also in Anglo-Saxon Beowulf song which was written down c. 500 AD. There appear also in addition to Attila, Ermanarik, etc others also as the King of Finns under name Caelic which is transliteration of Finnish Kaleva, Estonian Kalev-Regu, and Lithuanian Kalvis (blacksmith). Born in Kalerva estate, our famous shine in the high hard rock in the land of Viru Isthmus. Son of heroes lineage. King of Poimari, guard of silver island, to the king of the Karielas. (Karjalan kuninkahaksi)".
(My free transliteration).
Regards:
In the condensed section the map image should be changed with larger view of Northern Europe,
just like it is under Stockholm and Helsinki pages.
The red dot indicating the location of Tallinn is in the wrong place too. Not sure how to change it and rather busy to find the lime to learn at present. 79.86.198.152 ( talk) 15:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I think Silja Line no more operates between Helsinki and Tallinn, they lost superseacats when Tallink bought Silja.-- 62.65.192.83 ( talk) 17:04, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
My parets have recently returned from Tallinn, back to England, and brought with them a silver ornament of a rat, laughitng with a round belly. They believe it is symbolic only to Tallinn as they were sold a lot in Tallin. What is this symbol? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.98.117.4 ( talk) 18:49, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
probably nothing. many things may be sold in many places. it's just a souvenire 82.131.76.99 ( talk) 18:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Tallinn University is not only former "Tallinn Pedagogical University", but also EHI (Estonian Institute of Humanities), Institute of History, Baltic Film and Media School (SIC!) and many other institutions that joined and now are called "Tallinn University".
My suggestion is to remove the comment about the pedagogical university and remove distinct entry of "Baltic Film and Media School" under Education. Ats Puu ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC).
This article looks really ugly, I mean look at it, so bad positioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.196.10.185 ( talk) 16:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Er what? Am I to understand that Estonian place-names never occur in the nominative? — Tamfang ( talk) 19:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
That is true, you can't find a single (as far as I know) place-name in Estonia that ends with a consonant - of course, the exception being Tallinn. H2ppyme ( talk) 20:08, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, but I think the question that you want to answer is not the one that I want to ask! I am not surprised to learn that all or most place-names end in vowels; that's true in many languages. I am not surprised to learn that the genitive (of at least some nouns) adds a vowel. (Well, a little bit surprised, since I believe that in Finnish the genitive has –n; but that's not important.) What puzzles me is the parenthetical remark that these two facts are related: that the final vowel in place-names denotes the genitive case. Is there a rule against sentences in which the subject is a place-name? Or is it customary to list place-names (on maps and indices) in the genitive? Or can I reasonably suppose that the person who added the parenthesis was confused? — Tamfang ( talk) 01:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Well, so much is clear to me that currently in the article the sentence: making the new name notable since Estonian-language place names always end with a vowel (denoting the genitive case) doesn't make much sense. Other than that ~linna vs. ~linn. In Baltic Finnic languages the word originally simply meant a stronghold. In Finnish linna still means a castle, in Estonian it became to mean a town. Estonians foreshortened the word by removing the ~a from the end at one point and...what is this notability of foreshortening the linna word all about, I have no idea. But since such a strange notability factor is not sourced and it doesn't make much sense, it should be simply removed.-- Termer ( talk) 03:49, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have a soviet map or any other information on exact boundaries of administrative districts of Tallinn (Lenin, Kalinin, Oktober and Sea districts)? DVoit 20:43, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Should the Old Town of Tallinn be considered an independent entity/article from Tallinn? I would love to contribute to its wonderful new beginning. Although I wasn't born there, I spent 3 amazing years living inside the old city working as a carpenter / electrical engineer for a local construction company. Word, ( Spacestoned ( talk) 03:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC))
Is there a link between the Estonian Tallinn and the Welsh Tal Y Llyn meaning the end of the Lake? Roarmezma. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.160.93.158 ( talk) 15:17, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
What is meant by this exactly?
And is it a reasonable assumption that it is referring to Northern Europe by the UN definition, given that it links to that article and that's the only precise definition it gives? — Smjg ( talk) 23:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
"Tallinn was founded in 1248, but the earliest human settlements are over 5,000 years old, making it one of the oldest capital cities of Northern Europe" -- The 5000-year old finds are from the Neolithic Comb Ceramic culture, which did not build cities and had no capitals, so the claim is rather absurd. Stone Age finds are known from the surroundings of all Scandinavian capitals (with the natural exception of Reykjavik) and many other cities, but none of them claim that their status AS CITIES derives from this period. Whether or not London qualifies as "Northern Europe" is another question altogether.-- Death Bredon ( talk) 21:27, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
The collage in the infobox ( File:Tallinncollage2012.jpg) has an image of what is described as "The Cross of Freedom". I'm curious as to what it is. The rest of the article doesn't mention it, and it appears to be computer generated. Gabbe ( talk) 01:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
It's a freedom memorial built in 2009, located at the Freedom Square. Found some info here: http://www.inyourpocket.com/estonia/tallinn/sightseeing/Tallinn-monuments/The-Freedom-Monument_54648v I also just found an Wikipedia article of it here by the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Independence_Victory_Column Not sure, maybe I've used the wrong name. Although in translation it is usually referred just as Cross of Liberty/Freedom around here. Not sure why there's not much info about it. Xxxnmxxx ( talk) 01:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Someone is constantly changing the pictures of the City to right without notifying anyone on the talk page. This is an act of vandalism, please state why you are changing the pictures before doing so. I have redone the changes back to how it was DjSeptimus ( talk) 14:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
He keeps on doing it over and over... — Preceding unsigned comment added by DjSeptimus ( talk • contribs) 14:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
user 220.248.60.100 is constantly trying to change the collage pictures to the right without stating why. DjSeptimus ( talk) 14:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't Tallinn have built-up area bigger than city proper? Or Metropolitan area? Inkogn ( talk) 14:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
The toponymy section lists previous names Kolyvan (Qlwn, Qalaven), Lindanisa (Lyndanisse, Lindanäs, Ledenets), Reval (Rääveli, Rafala, Revel) and says the name Tallinn replaced Reval in "1918-20". But it's not clear whether this was the first time the name Tallinn was used, or whether it had been used before then. This needs to be sorted out. Beautifultree ( talk) 20:39, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 ( talk) 06:06, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
If we claim that Eesti Energia is "the world biggest oil to energy company" then the statement should be referenced. Currently it is referenced to http://www.easac.org/fileadmin/PDF_s/reports_statements/Study.pdf I have looked throgh this report but failed to find any ranging of the world oild shale companies. The report is also very old - 2007 while the oil shale revolution in the USA happens after 2010. Since a significant percentage of the USA-produced oil and natural gas comes from shale it highly unlikely that Estonia produces more energy from oil shale even if Narva Electric Station produces 80% of country energy from oil shale - the scales of economies of the USA and Estonia are just almost incomparable. Since Eesti Energy is a player on the USA oil shale market as well via its subsidiaries it is theoretically possible to be the first but it needs to be sourced.
Also we need to explain by what criteria Eesti is the world biggest: oil shale resources, oil shale production, electricity produced, market capitalisation, number of employees, etc. It is not clear now Alex Bakharev ( talk) 09:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
How is "Tallinn" pronounced? Where is the stress? CarolinianJeff ( talk) 19:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Recently, I have edited the weather box/climate table since it has been changed dramatically (I last edited in 2013). However, it has been removed a couple of times ( [8], [9] and [10]). I do object to removing the weather box for a couple of reasons:
There has been no snowfall in Tallinn during these months. According to the Estonian weather service at the end of September snow in Estonia was registered only in northeastern Estonia not in Tallinn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vda46y ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Uploaded a new montage with a better layout and better quality images. User Schpider insists to use the Template:Photomontage inspired by the Berlin article, which I disagree to. The idea is good but the Template is faulty by nature, allowing only certain dimensions for images and an inflexible layout. There's no point of uploading and congesting Commons with cropped versions of multiple pictures just to be able to use the template. As stated in the Template talk:Photomontage it's "better to just create a single montage image and upload it to wikicommons" to avoid issues regarding browser compatibility. I haven't come across any other city article that would use the same template besides Berlin, even the cities represented in the Template:Photomontage tutorial page have opted out from using the template because of it's inconvenience. Hopefully this discussion can avoid another disruptive edit from Schpider who has been warned about his action. SvenEst ( talk) 08:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
I've added a section recently on notable people from Tallinn. Contributor 27.32.240.206 has taken steps to hide the section although not, I'm please to say, deleted it. He/she says the new section "clutters" the article. Many cities listed in Wikipedia include a section on notable people. What do others readers think, would they prefer the new notables section to be openly accessible or hidden? ArbieP ( talk) 20:27, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
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