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A proposed replacement for WP:NC-TW has been made: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Proposed_replacement_for_WP:NC-TW. Please comment on that page.-- Jiang ( talk) 02:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
"In fact, since PRC's establishment, it never controlled any of the territories the ROC government currently governs."
This is poor writing. "In fact..."? Which fact? Just state what needs to be stated, or at the very least cite the facts that you're referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bastett ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Republic of China has moved to Taiwan; now it's time to merge this article into the that article. Taiwan needs a geography section and information from this article could be incorporated into that new section (along with a paragraph about the other smaller islands that make up the ROC/'Taiwan'). Other information about the island of Taiwan could perhaps also be incorporated into the Geography of Taiwan article and other similar articles.
When People's Republic of China moved to China a new Chinese civilisation article was created to house the old China article's content. It lasted a few days. This should ideally be the case with this article, because its purpose has gone now that we accept ROC and Taiwan are one the same. We should be making every effort not to confuse readers and this article, with its economy, politics etc. sections, is just overlapping with the Taiwan article.
How we implement the merge can be discussed here by people who know a lot about the topic. I just can't see any good arguments in favour of keeping this article going. -- Peter Talk page 16:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Everyone acknowledges that the country is more than the island; perhaps we also agree that there is substantial overlap. This sort of relationship between potential topics is common in Wikipedia, and not just for country articles. It then becomes a matter of editorial judgement whether, in each particular case, we serve our readers better by treating the overlapping topics together, with text to distinguish them as required, or separately, which can involve repetition of content. It varies with the particular case, depending on the degree of overlap and other factors. As for which cases this one most closely resembles, here is are some administrative units compared with islands of the same name:
Units | Area | Population |
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Taiwan | 99.1 | 99.1 |
Iceland | 98.9 | 98.7 |
Cuba | 94.7 | 99.2 |
Australia | 98.8 | 97.8 |
Tasmania | 91.2 | 99.3 |
Ireland | 116.2 | 139.3 |
Malta | 77.8 | 94.6 |
Newfoundland | 29.4 | 94.8 |
(I couldn't easily find the data for others that have been mentioned.) Kanguole 12:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
While I understand the point here, I wonder why no one brought it up long ago between the overlap in the articles Taiwan and Republic of China, which are now Taiwan (island) and Taiwan, respectively, because the overlap was almost certainly there for a while well before the move was thought of. JPECH 95 20:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
What is now called the Taiwan article tells us that the island was created in 1912. Clearly the current content of the Taiwan article doesn't reflect the name change yet and I think the real question is where the pre-1949 Republic of China content will end up. Maybe the article will live up to it's new name and become about the island of Taiwan or maybe it will continue to be about the Republic of China and just be called something else. I would favor giving that article more time to figure out what the Wikipedia community wants it to be before deciding on this merger. Additionally, there are articles on Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China and Taiwan Province, Republic of China that should also be considred with article restructuring at that time. RevelationDirect ( talk) 05:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
The two concepts are not identical, and some of the materials are specifically about the geographical-historical-cultural region and do not actually belong to the article for the country. It's a good thing to be bold, but being bold isn't the excuse to ignore lesser known facts and differences. Jeffrey ( talk) 22:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The Formosa Expedition of 1867 was regarded as a failure in United States Naval history. The Taiwan Expedition of 1874 marked the successful deployment of the Imperial Japanese Army and Imperial Japanese Navy. What a difference a name makes! -- Pawyilee ( talk) 15:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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For the component of the country, and in line with the articles on the same topic in other languages. 203.145.92.200 ( talk) 13:46, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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![]() | Taiwan (island) was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. | ||||||||||||
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Current status: Former good article nominee |
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![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of Taiwan (island) was copied or moved into Taiwan with this edit on March 2012. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
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A proposed replacement for WP:NC-TW has been made: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Chinese)#Proposed_replacement_for_WP:NC-TW. Please comment on that page.-- Jiang ( talk) 02:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
"In fact, since PRC's establishment, it never controlled any of the territories the ROC government currently governs."
This is poor writing. "In fact..."? Which fact? Just state what needs to be stated, or at the very least cite the facts that you're referencing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bastett ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Republic of China has moved to Taiwan; now it's time to merge this article into the that article. Taiwan needs a geography section and information from this article could be incorporated into that new section (along with a paragraph about the other smaller islands that make up the ROC/'Taiwan'). Other information about the island of Taiwan could perhaps also be incorporated into the Geography of Taiwan article and other similar articles.
When People's Republic of China moved to China a new Chinese civilisation article was created to house the old China article's content. It lasted a few days. This should ideally be the case with this article, because its purpose has gone now that we accept ROC and Taiwan are one the same. We should be making every effort not to confuse readers and this article, with its economy, politics etc. sections, is just overlapping with the Taiwan article.
How we implement the merge can be discussed here by people who know a lot about the topic. I just can't see any good arguments in favour of keeping this article going. -- Peter Talk page 16:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Everyone acknowledges that the country is more than the island; perhaps we also agree that there is substantial overlap. This sort of relationship between potential topics is common in Wikipedia, and not just for country articles. It then becomes a matter of editorial judgement whether, in each particular case, we serve our readers better by treating the overlapping topics together, with text to distinguish them as required, or separately, which can involve repetition of content. It varies with the particular case, depending on the degree of overlap and other factors. As for which cases this one most closely resembles, here is are some administrative units compared with islands of the same name:
Units | Area | Population |
---|---|---|
Taiwan | 99.1 | 99.1 |
Iceland | 98.9 | 98.7 |
Cuba | 94.7 | 99.2 |
Australia | 98.8 | 97.8 |
Tasmania | 91.2 | 99.3 |
Ireland | 116.2 | 139.3 |
Malta | 77.8 | 94.6 |
Newfoundland | 29.4 | 94.8 |
(I couldn't easily find the data for others that have been mentioned.) Kanguole 12:08, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
While I understand the point here, I wonder why no one brought it up long ago between the overlap in the articles Taiwan and Republic of China, which are now Taiwan (island) and Taiwan, respectively, because the overlap was almost certainly there for a while well before the move was thought of. JPECH 95 20:10, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
What is now called the Taiwan article tells us that the island was created in 1912. Clearly the current content of the Taiwan article doesn't reflect the name change yet and I think the real question is where the pre-1949 Republic of China content will end up. Maybe the article will live up to it's new name and become about the island of Taiwan or maybe it will continue to be about the Republic of China and just be called something else. I would favor giving that article more time to figure out what the Wikipedia community wants it to be before deciding on this merger. Additionally, there are articles on Taiwan Province, People's Republic of China and Taiwan Province, Republic of China that should also be considred with article restructuring at that time. RevelationDirect ( talk) 05:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
The two concepts are not identical, and some of the materials are specifically about the geographical-historical-cultural region and do not actually belong to the article for the country. It's a good thing to be bold, but being bold isn't the excuse to ignore lesser known facts and differences. Jeffrey ( talk) 22:53, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The Formosa Expedition of 1867 was regarded as a failure in United States Naval history. The Taiwan Expedition of 1874 marked the successful deployment of the Imperial Japanese Army and Imperial Japanese Navy. What a difference a name makes! -- Pawyilee ( talk) 15:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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For the component of the country, and in line with the articles on the same topic in other languages. 203.145.92.200 ( talk) 13:46, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Geography of Taiwan which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 03:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)