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User:Hertz1888, this paragraph seems to be worded in a way I doubt many readers will understand. The 'reflector' is usually called a lamp or candlestick. Although 'knop' is another spelling of 'knob', in this case it actually means 'bud', which is what most versions of this passage say. Why should we use a word few will understand? I don't know how the Mechon Mamre website seems to have taken over a lot of our articles, but it isn't helpful in this case. We should use the ordinary English word 'bud' and either lamp or candlestick. Doug Weller ( talk) 16:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Should any of these be in the article? Except for the Timna Valley one, they are all created by Wikipedia editors, 3 of them by the same editor. It bothers me slightly that one was changed after "more insight" by its creator. Insight? Doug Weller talk 15:55, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
In the Subsequent History section, it is mentioned that according to Judges 20, the Ark and the Tabernacle were located in Bethel. Because the text only mentions the Ark, this interpretation assumes the Tabernacle is there as well. It may be the correct assumption but it is still an assumption. A possible alternative is that the Ark was taken to Bethel alone as a palladium, or protective "charm" in preparation for the battle, a practice with a precedent in Joshua 3 and Joshua 6. There is debate about this within the scholarly literature, and the wiki page ought to reflect this, at least in brief form. I propose the following as an edit: "According to Judges 20:26-28, the ark, and thus possibly the tabernacle, was at Bethel while Phinehas, grandson of Aaron, was still alive." Kaufman79 ( talk) 14:28, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
what do you think? 117.219.214.44 ( talk) 11:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Some time back this talk page had an entry titled Tachash
interpretations of the meaning of this word is what it is - traditional interepretations. I'm going to stay away from this
due to all edit wars here, but just consider this as an FYI. Aleksig6 ( talk) 19:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC) followed by I just now came to this Talk page to suggest that the info/data in Slifkin, Hewlett and Enc. Judaica might be combined into a separate brief article—until I read Talk:Tachash refd. above by User:In ictu oculi. The edit-warring there just blew me away! Instead, I would now argue that in view of the past notorious rep. of article Tachash/Taḥash the current refs. in this current article Tabernacle ( Organization) are good enough for the curious reader, especially since the texts cited can be accessed online at Google Books (not Encyclopaedia Judaica, though). Their inclusion addresses the suggestions made above by In ictu oculi. I'm with Aleksig6 on this, and I won't even offer to write a new article "Taḥash" briefly summarizing data from those sources. To use a quote from Talk:Tachash: "...now stay away!" (Someone might try it about 5 years from now, but not right now. It's way too soon.) -- Humaniphilon ( talk) 20:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Before going too much further in edits, I wanted to put out a talk page section to see if I'm missing something. The page seems structured around a lot of the Documentary Hypothesis position. IE that multiple sources were merged during the Babylonian period into the Torah.
The problem with the page's structure is that none of the sources referenced actually reference that. As I mentioned in my edit summaries, The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church references the various sources exactly three times, none of them as direct connections to the text generally, and definitely not to this text specifically. The Catholic source (New Advent) likewise contains not a mention of this textual criticism nor an inference to two strains of thought in the text.
All of the text in this article that references the textual criticism is based on these two sources. I propose a rewrite to remove that text given it isn't supported. I'll offer a bold edit now to start the discussion.
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User:Hertz1888, this paragraph seems to be worded in a way I doubt many readers will understand. The 'reflector' is usually called a lamp or candlestick. Although 'knop' is another spelling of 'knob', in this case it actually means 'bud', which is what most versions of this passage say. Why should we use a word few will understand? I don't know how the Mechon Mamre website seems to have taken over a lot of our articles, but it isn't helpful in this case. We should use the ordinary English word 'bud' and either lamp or candlestick. Doug Weller ( talk) 16:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Should any of these be in the article? Except for the Timna Valley one, they are all created by Wikipedia editors, 3 of them by the same editor. It bothers me slightly that one was changed after "more insight" by its creator. Insight? Doug Weller talk 15:55, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
In the Subsequent History section, it is mentioned that according to Judges 20, the Ark and the Tabernacle were located in Bethel. Because the text only mentions the Ark, this interpretation assumes the Tabernacle is there as well. It may be the correct assumption but it is still an assumption. A possible alternative is that the Ark was taken to Bethel alone as a palladium, or protective "charm" in preparation for the battle, a practice with a precedent in Joshua 3 and Joshua 6. There is debate about this within the scholarly literature, and the wiki page ought to reflect this, at least in brief form. I propose the following as an edit: "According to Judges 20:26-28, the ark, and thus possibly the tabernacle, was at Bethel while Phinehas, grandson of Aaron, was still alive." Kaufman79 ( talk) 14:28, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
what do you think? 117.219.214.44 ( talk) 11:42, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
Some time back this talk page had an entry titled Tachash
interpretations of the meaning of this word is what it is - traditional interepretations. I'm going to stay away from this
due to all edit wars here, but just consider this as an FYI. Aleksig6 ( talk) 19:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC) followed by I just now came to this Talk page to suggest that the info/data in Slifkin, Hewlett and Enc. Judaica might be combined into a separate brief article—until I read Talk:Tachash refd. above by User:In ictu oculi. The edit-warring there just blew me away! Instead, I would now argue that in view of the past notorious rep. of article Tachash/Taḥash the current refs. in this current article Tabernacle ( Organization) are good enough for the curious reader, especially since the texts cited can be accessed online at Google Books (not Encyclopaedia Judaica, though). Their inclusion addresses the suggestions made above by In ictu oculi. I'm with Aleksig6 on this, and I won't even offer to write a new article "Taḥash" briefly summarizing data from those sources. To use a quote from Talk:Tachash: "...now stay away!" (Someone might try it about 5 years from now, but not right now. It's way too soon.) -- Humaniphilon ( talk) 20:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Before going too much further in edits, I wanted to put out a talk page section to see if I'm missing something. The page seems structured around a lot of the Documentary Hypothesis position. IE that multiple sources were merged during the Babylonian period into the Torah.
The problem with the page's structure is that none of the sources referenced actually reference that. As I mentioned in my edit summaries, The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church references the various sources exactly three times, none of them as direct connections to the text generally, and definitely not to this text specifically. The Catholic source (New Advent) likewise contains not a mention of this textual criticism nor an inference to two strains of thought in the text.
All of the text in this article that references the textual criticism is based on these two sources. I propose a rewrite to remove that text given it isn't supported. I'll offer a bold edit now to start the discussion.
Squatch347 (
talk)
12:51, 13 October 2023 (UTC)