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Who the hell had written this?.. o_O
Та́ту (help·info) Russian pronunciation: [ˈtatu]
It's always Тату́ ([ta'tu]), like a tattoo. A native russian 11:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.212.146.10 ( talk)
Fix this article? It's fillied with [citation needed] and it's been like this for a while! I don't know how to do it myself but the article looks messy. Many thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.152.86.61 ( talk) 14:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Somebody edited the article. They made it say "The group consults of hottie Lena Katina and even more hotter Yulia Volkova. If you find it, erase it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfaatnu ( talk • contribs) 23:49, January 14, 2008
I have removed a lot of info here. "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,[2] talk pages, user pages, and project space." per WP:BLP
I also yanked a fair amount of unsourced POV and/or OR.
If you aren't sure why a particular piece was removed, you need a source for it in either case.
The article is still loaded up with a whole lot of fancruft. Mdsummermsw ( talk) 16:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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Somebody edited the article. They made it say "The group consults of hottie Lena Katina and even more hotter Yulia Volkova. If you find it, erase it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfaatnu ( talk • contribs) 23:49, January 14, 2008
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Maybe you guys discussed it or something but why did someone delete the Waste Managment article same for the Upravleniye Otbrosami they are current cds with singles already on air with images and everything. Just wondering... Alixb ( talk) 22:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Minor events in the life of the band, such as commentary on their blog and jokes they make about a "forthcoming album" (that's been delayed repeatedly), are not notable events. - Mdsummermsw ( talk) 18:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
...listing public appearences and the like? And TV appearences such as MADTV and Jimmy Kimmel Live —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.45.236 ( talk) 04:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please write something about T.A.T.u recording the song Moskau with Rammstein? I would do it but I don't have a clue how. It seems quite important as Rammstein are pretty popular and I'm surprised it isn't included yet. Thanks Sira Kasteya ( talk) 18:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
That's not anyone from t.A.T.u. on the vocals for Moskau. That was back in 2004; if it were a fact, it would have long been up here. AndarielHalo ( talk) 04:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
It is not t.A.T.u it is Viktoria Fersh a guest vocalist only to Moskau on the Reise Reise CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.149.109.214 ( talk) 20:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
the director has made the girls act lezbiens how weird but apart from that there a great band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.76.168.216 ( talk) 14:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
It's strange that it's not more about the lesbian behaviour of the band in the article. Has it caused any controversy in russia? If so, it would be notable. If not, it would be even more notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.8.48 ( talk) 03:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
In the section where the article references the first recordings, the title of the first song recorded was given ("Yugoslavia"), but, despite the fact that the word Yugoslavia was clearly the Title of the song, the link created from the word went to the country's page, not a page for the song itself - even though the song title listed next to it in the same paragraph goes to the song's page. This seems to be a deceptive linkage and I would recommend either removing the link completely, linking to a page on the song or finding some way to make clear in advance that the link will go to the country's page, not to eh song link as expected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackfyr ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Should (or at least, could) be a larger part of the article. Whether the PR guy that seems to write this page would like it or not, it's what made this group distinct because of the way that they were (relentlessly) marketed in their performances and music videos, at least in the beginning of their careers. If it were true, than great, but if it was fabricated, it has pretty serious implications and ramifications about the band, and how the band was assembled. I KNOW there has been criticism written about this, too. Yet, when I read this article, there were only one or two vague references about it. Also, the structure of this article is strange, and contains a lot of boring information. Maybe it's the PR guy or some zealous fan, but shouldn't this page be written with some sort of United States point of view? This group has fallen off the map in the US, and it was years ago at that! There's no mention of criticism, there's no mention of album sales (and declining sales/popularity), there's just an overabundance of general facts which fails to speak to the distinct notoriety that this group enjoyed when they first came out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.8.197 ( talk) 08:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
You're right - a U.S. "point of view" is a poor choice of words. Perhaps a mention of their brief period of infamy in the United States? After all, they tried to make it in the U.S., and then it seemed like nothing worked out. Again, it seemed as if there was a backlash here in the U.S.
But why not look at the entirety of my comment, instead of the one sentence which would be easiest to argue with, and ultimately dismiss. It seems like mentions of their US failures are omitted because a mention of that blunder would lead to a mentioning of the backlash.
You see, condescending guy, I do understand what an encyclopedia is. I think if all of you 'men alone' out there want to talk about your favorite band, it needs to contain pertinent information. This band tried really hard to make it on MTV and failed big-time. That failure came from the considerable amount of criticism about the faux-lesbian style that defines this band, that's haphazardly mentioned once or twice briefly in this article. In fact, in the one sentence buried in this article, one of the performers complains about it (the fake-lesbian stuff) as well.
An encyclopedia contains PERTINENT information. Some really interesting information lacking from this article, information which would shed light on why the band left the United States, and would elucidate on the band's dissatisfaction with management in the present. All this article has is a collection of banal facts, providing extensive detail on monotonous activities which are NOT suitable for an encyclopedic article, but an autobiographical novel. Should I write a 20 paragraph article about a neighbor's garage band, or a make-believe band? No, because they wouldn't be relevant. The details here are superflous because this band is no longer relevant, and was only relevant for a brief period of time, because of facts and dynamics strangely omitted from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.8.197 ( talk) 06:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
It’s a bit weird (flow and logic wise) to read a while paragraph about “controversy” yet not mention what the actual controversy is.
I personally have only heard of tatu for the first time this week, and watched only one 5min complication live video- and it’s obvious to me there was an lesbian element.
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I am amazed that the article seems to totally avoid the early career and success of the band being largely due to their lesbian schoolgirl image. That Ya Soshla Suma/ All The Things She Said and the accompanying video caused ructions across Europe and was banned from pre-watershed viewing in UK, that Eurovision asked them not to do anything outrageous or that Richard Madley threatened to sue the manager for suggesting he (Madley) was a paedophile would perhaps be worthy of attention. ( 79.190.69.142 ( talk) 21:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC))
With valid sources and citations to prove this information, it could be added to the article. Even if we think it's true that t.A.T.u.'s early success came from the lesbian image, the article needs sources to back it up for this to be included. This would apply to the other points made also. But I might as well point out that the music video was shown regularly on music channels during the day in the UK (pre-watershed) and was only "banned" on one BBC music show called Top of the Pops (with the BBC themselves denying they had banned the video and had shown exclusive performance footage instead - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2723941.stm). Omfgski ( talk) 14:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
footnote 71 is dead link. This one works: http://blender500.blogspot.co.at/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.144.71 ( talk) 22:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
‘But! I want to say that I’m not against gays, I just want my son to be a real man, not a fag.
This links to THE
Norwegian magazine for and about LBGT persons/culture. Scroll down for pictures relevant to this. These statements coming from a a former lesbian icon I find Volkova Julia Olegovna statements (man has no right to be a fag) relevant and insulting. the rest of the article confirms a lot of the controversy, but in Norwegian. I can translate but WITP
Edit:
here is the same information from Huffington Post. I leave the blikk ref, as i find the translated images have impact.
Here is the source of the Blikk and huffington articles. above. Storloff ( talk) 05:35, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Whatever proclivities they may have instilled elsewhere, in the US they hold great esteem as pop-culture icons and should be entitled to some recognition as free-speech advocates. They are important models for young people, and even though they are not gay, they're message is important and as worthy as much as anyone else's in humanity. What I'm saying is, they should be credited as a contributing substantially toward human rights in the new century in this article. Dirt290 ( talk) 18:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
In the introduction it says "As of 2012, t.A.T.u. have sold over 25 million records". However under legacy we learn that "To date, the group have sold over 13 million records worldwide." Technically, this isn't wrong, 25 million IS "over 13 million", but you get my point. 77.11.92.119 ( talk) 13:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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Since they were doing commercials and small shows throughout 2012-2014 after splitting up and then reunited briefly in 2016 shouldn't the active years be 1999-2011, 2012-2014, 2016, 2022 or simply 1999-2014, 2016, 2022 instead of 1999-2011, 2022? 2603:7080:C02:1100:893F:BAE7:E789:96A7 ( talk) 14:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
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Who the hell had written this?.. o_O
Та́ту (help·info) Russian pronunciation: [ˈtatu]
It's always Тату́ ([ta'tu]), like a tattoo. A native russian 11:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.212.146.10 ( talk)
Fix this article? It's fillied with [citation needed] and it's been like this for a while! I don't know how to do it myself but the article looks messy. Many thanks in advance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.152.86.61 ( talk) 14:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Somebody edited the article. They made it say "The group consults of hottie Lena Katina and even more hotter Yulia Volkova. If you find it, erase it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfaatnu ( talk • contribs) 23:49, January 14, 2008
I have removed a lot of info here. "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material — whether negative, positive, or just questionable — about living persons should be removed immediately and without discussion from Wikipedia articles,[2] talk pages, user pages, and project space." per WP:BLP
I also yanked a fair amount of unsourced POV and/or OR.
If you aren't sure why a particular piece was removed, you need a source for it in either case.
The article is still loaded up with a whole lot of fancruft. Mdsummermsw ( talk) 16:13, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
{{unreferenced}}
or {{refimprove}}
templates? You've rendered the article almost unreadable to me, which strikes me as having two bad effects: (i) it deters other editors like myself from attempting a cleanup, partly because instead of having five or six big chunks to repair I have dozens and dozens of little tiny ones, and (ii) it looks like a
WP:POINT violation; deliberately peppering these tags everywhere, instead of being a dispassionate copyeditor. God almighty, it really is the encyclopedia anyone can edit. If this is the kind of work the cleanup brigade are doing, I think my creation of a username was an act of unmerited optimism.
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Somebody edited the article. They made it say "The group consults of hottie Lena Katina and even more hotter Yulia Volkova. If you find it, erase it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfaatnu ( talk • contribs) 23:49, January 14, 2008
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Maybe you guys discussed it or something but why did someone delete the Waste Managment article same for the Upravleniye Otbrosami they are current cds with singles already on air with images and everything. Just wondering... Alixb ( talk) 22:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Minor events in the life of the band, such as commentary on their blog and jokes they make about a "forthcoming album" (that's been delayed repeatedly), are not notable events. - Mdsummermsw ( talk) 18:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
...listing public appearences and the like? And TV appearences such as MADTV and Jimmy Kimmel Live —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.45.236 ( talk) 04:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Can someone please write something about T.A.T.u recording the song Moskau with Rammstein? I would do it but I don't have a clue how. It seems quite important as Rammstein are pretty popular and I'm surprised it isn't included yet. Thanks Sira Kasteya ( talk) 18:14, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
That's not anyone from t.A.T.u. on the vocals for Moskau. That was back in 2004; if it were a fact, it would have long been up here. AndarielHalo ( talk) 04:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
It is not t.A.T.u it is Viktoria Fersh a guest vocalist only to Moskau on the Reise Reise CD. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.149.109.214 ( talk) 20:40, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
the director has made the girls act lezbiens how weird but apart from that there a great band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.76.168.216 ( talk) 14:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
It's strange that it's not more about the lesbian behaviour of the band in the article. Has it caused any controversy in russia? If so, it would be notable. If not, it would be even more notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.8.48 ( talk) 03:28, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
In the section where the article references the first recordings, the title of the first song recorded was given ("Yugoslavia"), but, despite the fact that the word Yugoslavia was clearly the Title of the song, the link created from the word went to the country's page, not a page for the song itself - even though the song title listed next to it in the same paragraph goes to the song's page. This seems to be a deceptive linkage and I would recommend either removing the link completely, linking to a page on the song or finding some way to make clear in advance that the link will go to the country's page, not to eh song link as expected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blackfyr ( talk • contribs) 02:01, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Should (or at least, could) be a larger part of the article. Whether the PR guy that seems to write this page would like it or not, it's what made this group distinct because of the way that they were (relentlessly) marketed in their performances and music videos, at least in the beginning of their careers. If it were true, than great, but if it was fabricated, it has pretty serious implications and ramifications about the band, and how the band was assembled. I KNOW there has been criticism written about this, too. Yet, when I read this article, there were only one or two vague references about it. Also, the structure of this article is strange, and contains a lot of boring information. Maybe it's the PR guy or some zealous fan, but shouldn't this page be written with some sort of United States point of view? This group has fallen off the map in the US, and it was years ago at that! There's no mention of criticism, there's no mention of album sales (and declining sales/popularity), there's just an overabundance of general facts which fails to speak to the distinct notoriety that this group enjoyed when they first came out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.8.197 ( talk) 08:10, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
You're right - a U.S. "point of view" is a poor choice of words. Perhaps a mention of their brief period of infamy in the United States? After all, they tried to make it in the U.S., and then it seemed like nothing worked out. Again, it seemed as if there was a backlash here in the U.S.
But why not look at the entirety of my comment, instead of the one sentence which would be easiest to argue with, and ultimately dismiss. It seems like mentions of their US failures are omitted because a mention of that blunder would lead to a mentioning of the backlash.
You see, condescending guy, I do understand what an encyclopedia is. I think if all of you 'men alone' out there want to talk about your favorite band, it needs to contain pertinent information. This band tried really hard to make it on MTV and failed big-time. That failure came from the considerable amount of criticism about the faux-lesbian style that defines this band, that's haphazardly mentioned once or twice briefly in this article. In fact, in the one sentence buried in this article, one of the performers complains about it (the fake-lesbian stuff) as well.
An encyclopedia contains PERTINENT information. Some really interesting information lacking from this article, information which would shed light on why the band left the United States, and would elucidate on the band's dissatisfaction with management in the present. All this article has is a collection of banal facts, providing extensive detail on monotonous activities which are NOT suitable for an encyclopedic article, but an autobiographical novel. Should I write a 20 paragraph article about a neighbor's garage band, or a make-believe band? No, because they wouldn't be relevant. The details here are superflous because this band is no longer relevant, and was only relevant for a brief period of time, because of facts and dynamics strangely omitted from this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.237.8.197 ( talk) 06:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
It’s a bit weird (flow and logic wise) to read a while paragraph about “controversy” yet not mention what the actual controversy is.
I personally have only heard of tatu for the first time this week, and watched only one 5min complication live video- and it’s obvious to me there was an lesbian element.
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I am amazed that the article seems to totally avoid the early career and success of the band being largely due to their lesbian schoolgirl image. That Ya Soshla Suma/ All The Things She Said and the accompanying video caused ructions across Europe and was banned from pre-watershed viewing in UK, that Eurovision asked them not to do anything outrageous or that Richard Madley threatened to sue the manager for suggesting he (Madley) was a paedophile would perhaps be worthy of attention. ( 79.190.69.142 ( talk) 21:28, 7 June 2011 (UTC))
With valid sources and citations to prove this information, it could be added to the article. Even if we think it's true that t.A.T.u.'s early success came from the lesbian image, the article needs sources to back it up for this to be included. This would apply to the other points made also. But I might as well point out that the music video was shown regularly on music channels during the day in the UK (pre-watershed) and was only "banned" on one BBC music show called Top of the Pops (with the BBC themselves denying they had banned the video and had shown exclusive performance footage instead - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2723941.stm). Omfgski ( talk) 14:39, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
footnote 71 is dead link. This one works: http://blender500.blogspot.co.at/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.191.144.71 ( talk) 22:33, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
‘But! I want to say that I’m not against gays, I just want my son to be a real man, not a fag.
This links to THE
Norwegian magazine for and about LBGT persons/culture. Scroll down for pictures relevant to this. These statements coming from a a former lesbian icon I find Volkova Julia Olegovna statements (man has no right to be a fag) relevant and insulting. the rest of the article confirms a lot of the controversy, but in Norwegian. I can translate but WITP
Edit:
here is the same information from Huffington Post. I leave the blikk ref, as i find the translated images have impact.
Here is the source of the Blikk and huffington articles. above. Storloff ( talk) 05:35, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Whatever proclivities they may have instilled elsewhere, in the US they hold great esteem as pop-culture icons and should be entitled to some recognition as free-speech advocates. They are important models for young people, and even though they are not gay, they're message is important and as worthy as much as anyone else's in humanity. What I'm saying is, they should be credited as a contributing substantially toward human rights in the new century in this article. Dirt290 ( talk) 18:02, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
In the introduction it says "As of 2012, t.A.T.u. have sold over 25 million records". However under legacy we learn that "To date, the group have sold over 13 million records worldwide." Technically, this isn't wrong, 25 million IS "over 13 million", but you get my point. 77.11.92.119 ( talk) 13:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
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Since they were doing commercials and small shows throughout 2012-2014 after splitting up and then reunited briefly in 2016 shouldn't the active years be 1999-2011, 2012-2014, 2016, 2022 or simply 1999-2014, 2016, 2022 instead of 1999-2011, 2022? 2603:7080:C02:1100:893F:BAE7:E789:96A7 ( talk) 14:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)