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Since this is about the historic county, historic names should be used, instead of the present day names. -- VinceB 16:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
If all you are going to do is repeat the Spiš article using Hungarian names, then that will scarcely justify this new article. -- Smerus 20:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping separate from the region from the county. -- Vince hey, yo! :-) 14:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Magyar language was official language of Kingdom of Hungary in 1848-1849 and than from 1867. Slovak, Serbian, Romanian, German schools etc. was thanks to magyarisation abolished and about 2,5 milion people (mostly Germans, Slovaks, Ruthenians) was turned to Magyars. But during first 700 years of existence of Kingdom of Hungary, its official language was only Latin!!! (and sometimes in the 18th and in the 19th century also only German, sometimes all Magyar, Slovak, German etc. in counties with corresponding nation). So, please, either change official names of articles about counties of Kingdom to languages of present location of this counties or to Latin. But don´t use Magyar names! Although many present Magyars believe it was their country (until 1918) it wasn´t! Until 1918 Kingdom of Hungary was homeland for Magyars, Germans, Slovaks, Ruthenians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats etc. Magyars consist only 30-40% of its population although official statistics said 51%, but census wasn´t anonymous as you must know. -- Kristo 19:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I just repaired the duplicate articles Szepes county and Spiš county. User:Svetovid moved Szepes county to Spiš county on 27 May, and User:Hobartimus copied the content back to Szepes county 4 hours later. This is not the way to do this, it smells like Wikipedia:Content forking. We agreed earlier that there should be separate articles about the (past and present) region, and about the Kingdom of Hungary comitatus. But there should only be one article about the comitatus. We can discuss about the name of that article, if necessary. Given the Hungarian names used for most other comitati (also in Slovakia), I would prefer the Hungarian name (preferred form: Szepes (county)). Markussep 12:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I wonder how the fact that the Hungarian name (Szepes) was not always the official one can be used to argue for using the Slovak name that has never been official.
Anybody to explain that?
-- peyerk 12:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Counties of the old Kingdom of Hungary are all called on their Hungarian names. Hungarian was the official language from 1836 to 1918 (except the 1849-61 period), while Slovak names were never official and the counties were abolished in 1922. Present-day Slovak regions could have their own articles but renaming the abolished counties is anachronistic and an attempt of history falsification. Moving this article to Spiš was against former consensus and created confusion. Zello 16:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Could you join this starting debate: Talk:Kingdom of Hungary#What language versions to be used for naming former KoH counties?
-- peyerk 16:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
In terms of international law what country should posses Szepes now? "The pledged towns were to be returned to the Kingdom of Hungary as soon as the loan was repaid; nobody expected the pledge would take 360 years to redeem (from 1412 to 1772)." The debt has never been repaid and then the Archduchy of Austria took it illegally. In that meaning the Szepes County could be understood as Polish territory, right? 85.202.46.85 ( talk)
The Demographics section since 2012 contains obvious arythmetical errors. The numbers in the 1900 population as divided into linguistic communities add up to 104,1% of the population, and to 179,906 (+ unknown number of "Gypsies, Serbs, Jews" (0.3%)), instead of 172,091 people, as mentioned in the heading . It is worth mentioning also that Serbian and Serbs are the same pople, so they shouldn't be mentiones twice. Someone should correct it after the sources. (I have already informed about it the author of this section in 2012, User:Portunes). noychoH ( talk) 17:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
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Since this is about the historic county, historic names should be used, instead of the present day names. -- VinceB 16:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
If all you are going to do is repeat the Spiš article using Hungarian names, then that will scarcely justify this new article. -- Smerus 20:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helping separate from the region from the county. -- Vince hey, yo! :-) 14:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Magyar language was official language of Kingdom of Hungary in 1848-1849 and than from 1867. Slovak, Serbian, Romanian, German schools etc. was thanks to magyarisation abolished and about 2,5 milion people (mostly Germans, Slovaks, Ruthenians) was turned to Magyars. But during first 700 years of existence of Kingdom of Hungary, its official language was only Latin!!! (and sometimes in the 18th and in the 19th century also only German, sometimes all Magyar, Slovak, German etc. in counties with corresponding nation). So, please, either change official names of articles about counties of Kingdom to languages of present location of this counties or to Latin. But don´t use Magyar names! Although many present Magyars believe it was their country (until 1918) it wasn´t! Until 1918 Kingdom of Hungary was homeland for Magyars, Germans, Slovaks, Ruthenians, Romanians, Serbs, Croats etc. Magyars consist only 30-40% of its population although official statistics said 51%, but census wasn´t anonymous as you must know. -- Kristo 19:29, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I just repaired the duplicate articles Szepes county and Spiš county. User:Svetovid moved Szepes county to Spiš county on 27 May, and User:Hobartimus copied the content back to Szepes county 4 hours later. This is not the way to do this, it smells like Wikipedia:Content forking. We agreed earlier that there should be separate articles about the (past and present) region, and about the Kingdom of Hungary comitatus. But there should only be one article about the comitatus. We can discuss about the name of that article, if necessary. Given the Hungarian names used for most other comitati (also in Slovakia), I would prefer the Hungarian name (preferred form: Szepes (county)). Markussep 12:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I wonder how the fact that the Hungarian name (Szepes) was not always the official one can be used to argue for using the Slovak name that has never been official.
Anybody to explain that?
-- peyerk 12:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Counties of the old Kingdom of Hungary are all called on their Hungarian names. Hungarian was the official language from 1836 to 1918 (except the 1849-61 period), while Slovak names were never official and the counties were abolished in 1922. Present-day Slovak regions could have their own articles but renaming the abolished counties is anachronistic and an attempt of history falsification. Moving this article to Spiš was against former consensus and created confusion. Zello 16:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Could you join this starting debate: Talk:Kingdom of Hungary#What language versions to be used for naming former KoH counties?
-- peyerk 16:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
In terms of international law what country should posses Szepes now? "The pledged towns were to be returned to the Kingdom of Hungary as soon as the loan was repaid; nobody expected the pledge would take 360 years to redeem (from 1412 to 1772)." The debt has never been repaid and then the Archduchy of Austria took it illegally. In that meaning the Szepes County could be understood as Polish territory, right? 85.202.46.85 ( talk)
The Demographics section since 2012 contains obvious arythmetical errors. The numbers in the 1900 population as divided into linguistic communities add up to 104,1% of the population, and to 179,906 (+ unknown number of "Gypsies, Serbs, Jews" (0.3%)), instead of 172,091 people, as mentioned in the heading . It is worth mentioning also that Serbian and Serbs are the same pople, so they shouldn't be mentiones twice. Someone should correct it after the sources. (I have already informed about it the author of this section in 2012, User:Portunes). noychoH ( talk) 17:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)