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As this seems to be ongoing, perhaps "Attacks from Syria" and "Turkish response" could become subsections under new heading "Initial attacks", with a new heading created entitled "Ongoing exchanges" with dated subsections within. As it stands now, visitors must flip between two sections to put attack and response together. What do you think? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Do you think this should be moved as a sub-section to the Syrian Civil War? Is it notable enough - lobbing some shells back and forth - to warrant an article? Now if hostilities drastically increase, that would be another story ... HammerFilmFan ( talk) 20:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
As has been stated, the Syrian Civil War article is way too large and there are a lot of efforts to trim it down, so we should not start merging articles. I'd also say that the military action between Syria and Turkey is notable (as are a lot of border skirmishes). Furthermore, this article will in all likelyhood expand in the future as tensions mount between Syria and Turkey. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 22:09, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
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Instead of using the RF-4 shootdown as "background" (it seems irrelevant to the article as it is currently written) why not include it as its own incident in the border clashes? Goarmy06 ( talk) 09:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Goarmy06 ( talk) 09:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)M
I understand it's important information, but the shootdown of the RF-4 didn't lead to Syria shelling Turkey, Turkish policy changes or not. I think it should be included as its own (and the initial) incident. It should absolutely be included, however I think "background information" would include any PRIOR Turkish or Syrian policies that led to the clashes, including the shootdown of a Turkish fighter. Goarmy06 ( talk) 16:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Goarmy06
Since this article speaks of an event which occurred in 2013, I think it would be appropriate to revise its name to "2012鈥2013 Syrian鈥揟urkish border clashes," or something like that.-- Philpill691 ( talk) 17:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Why is the Belligerents section only mentioning two sides; Syrian Government and Turkey? The death toll on the Turkish side is primarily a result of fighting between Turkish and rebel forces. It seems some information in the Wiki article were conviniently left out. For instance, October 3rd, 2012, clashes near the border town of Ak莽akale were the result of rebel shelling on the Turkish town, which led to the death of five civillians. In fact, the Turkish newspaper "YURT" reported that the rebels shelled Ak莽akale with NATO made ammunition shells, which were apparently provided to them by the Turkish Government (story in Turkish: [1]). One of the biggest Germany media houses, ZDF, also reported fighting between Turkish security forces and the rebels (story in German: [2] & English/German: [3] & Croatian: [4]).
Yesterday it was reported, that the fighting between Turkish forces and rebel insurgents, at the Ak莽akale border crossing, resulted in at least one death (one policeman died and five were wounded (+ a number of wounded civilians) on the Turkish side and at least two rebels dead, after they opened fire on a Turkish security forces which denied them access across the border; NY Times [5], Al Jazeera [6], Reuters [7], [8]).
Today (3 May 2013), reports are spread that the rebels and Turkish forces fought in another border crossing, near Tal Abyad, which resulted in the death of at least three Turkish policeman and over a dozen insurgents. Ratipok ( talk) 15:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
You can add this information with verified sources. Robert Peterson 753 ( talk) 16:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
is there some proof that this event was connected with Syrian Civil War or Syrian-Turkish border clashes?-- Vojvodae please be free to write聽:) 21:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Would like to say that this edit war has to stop. The casualties of the 2 pilots killed shouldn't be mentiont as that has nothing to do with the main border clashes. The shot down of aircrafts has already its own page. This page only inlcudes the border shelling wich ended when Turkey began to retaliate. Gala19000 ( talk) 19:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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As this seems to be ongoing, perhaps "Attacks from Syria" and "Turkish response" could become subsections under new heading "Initial attacks", with a new heading created entitled "Ongoing exchanges" with dated subsections within. As it stands now, visitors must flip between two sections to put attack and response together. What do you think? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 23:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Do you think this should be moved as a sub-section to the Syrian Civil War? Is it notable enough - lobbing some shells back and forth - to warrant an article? Now if hostilities drastically increase, that would be another story ... HammerFilmFan ( talk) 20:49, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
As has been stated, the Syrian Civil War article is way too large and there are a lot of efforts to trim it down, so we should not start merging articles. I'd also say that the military action between Syria and Turkey is notable (as are a lot of border skirmishes). Furthermore, this article will in all likelyhood expand in the future as tensions mount between Syria and Turkey. Spirit of Eagle ( talk) 22:09, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2012 Syrian鈥揟urkish border clashes's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "NYT Topic: Syria":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 鈿 03:39, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Instead of using the RF-4 shootdown as "background" (it seems irrelevant to the article as it is currently written) why not include it as its own incident in the border clashes? Goarmy06 ( talk) 09:08, 11 October 2012 (UTC) Goarmy06 ( talk) 09:06, 11 October 2012 (UTC)M
I understand it's important information, but the shootdown of the RF-4 didn't lead to Syria shelling Turkey, Turkish policy changes or not. I think it should be included as its own (and the initial) incident. It should absolutely be included, however I think "background information" would include any PRIOR Turkish or Syrian policies that led to the clashes, including the shootdown of a Turkish fighter. Goarmy06 ( talk) 16:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC) Goarmy06
Since this article speaks of an event which occurred in 2013, I think it would be appropriate to revise its name to "2012鈥2013 Syrian鈥揟urkish border clashes," or something like that.-- Philpill691 ( talk) 17:17, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Why is the Belligerents section only mentioning two sides; Syrian Government and Turkey? The death toll on the Turkish side is primarily a result of fighting between Turkish and rebel forces. It seems some information in the Wiki article were conviniently left out. For instance, October 3rd, 2012, clashes near the border town of Ak莽akale were the result of rebel shelling on the Turkish town, which led to the death of five civillians. In fact, the Turkish newspaper "YURT" reported that the rebels shelled Ak莽akale with NATO made ammunition shells, which were apparently provided to them by the Turkish Government (story in Turkish: [1]). One of the biggest Germany media houses, ZDF, also reported fighting between Turkish security forces and the rebels (story in German: [2] & English/German: [3] & Croatian: [4]).
Yesterday it was reported, that the fighting between Turkish forces and rebel insurgents, at the Ak莽akale border crossing, resulted in at least one death (one policeman died and five were wounded (+ a number of wounded civilians) on the Turkish side and at least two rebels dead, after they opened fire on a Turkish security forces which denied them access across the border; NY Times [5], Al Jazeera [6], Reuters [7], [8]).
Today (3 May 2013), reports are spread that the rebels and Turkish forces fought in another border crossing, near Tal Abyad, which resulted in the death of at least three Turkish policeman and over a dozen insurgents. Ratipok ( talk) 15:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
You can add this information with verified sources. Robert Peterson 753 ( talk) 16:56, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
is there some proof that this event was connected with Syrian Civil War or Syrian-Turkish border clashes?-- Vojvodae please be free to write聽:) 21:14, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Would like to say that this edit war has to stop. The casualties of the 2 pilots killed shouldn't be mentiont as that has nothing to do with the main border clashes. The shot down of aircrafts has already its own page. This page only inlcudes the border shelling wich ended when Turkey began to retaliate. Gala19000 ( talk) 19:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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