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Ah, there's the rub. There are actually two groups who lay claim to 'Syrian Orthodox'. One is part of the Oriental Orthodox Communion, and calls itself the "Syrian Orthodox Church". The other is part of the Eastern Orthodox Communion and calls itself the "Antiochian Orthodox Church"--although they called themselves the "Syrian Orthodox Church" until fairly recently. Dogface 04:38, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There's no mention of Jacobite in the current article. Is that something different? Because a lot of redirects come from Jacobite Orthodox Church. I've only heard of the church from a friend who said she was Syrian Jacobite.
The article looks quite different to when i last looked back in August last year [1], where's that information gone? T 05:20, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It looks like some major reorganisation is needed here.
I am new here, so I do not quite know the best way to go about changing this. I'll have a try: let me know what you all think.
Thanks very much for your input. The whole area needs some proofreading I assume. But this article itself looks rather O.K. to me, only a bit short compared with its german counterpart at
de:Syrisch-Orthodoxe_Kirche_von_Antiochien (OTOH the german one looks like copyvio). To address your three main concerns:
If you also have a grasp on the situation in Kerale, can you please have a look at Nasrani#Nasrani_tradition_today. It seems to me, at least one of the churces named there would be a duplicate.
Pjacobi 15:17, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An additional sentence was added to be the second sentence in this article reading:
It is one of the five churches that comprised what is now the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church before the Great Schism.
The five churches referred to are the patriarchates of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. The additional sentence does not make it explicit (one reason why I don't want it there) that it is talking about the Patriarchate of Antioch in a pre-schismatic pentarchy. If the Syriac Orthodox Church was the sole inheritor of the Antiochene tradition it would be fine to leave the sentence. However, as there are a number of churches with their roots in that tradition, it certainly is POV to suggest that the SOC represents the Antiochene branch of the one perfect church.
I don't want to revert this again. So, please give me some reason why it should be there. Gareth Hughes 21:56, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is also an unrelated Assyrian Church of the East.
The Assyrian Church of The East is related to the Syriac Orthodox Church since the founders of the Assyrian Church left the Syriac Orthodox Church sometime in the 4th or 5th century and founded the East Syriac Church also known as The Assyrian Church of The East.-- Sargon 19:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The link to the Assyrian Church of the East wiki has "(Nestorian)" before it, yet that page denies that the Assyrian Church of the East is actually Nestorian. I don't really know enough about this issue to try and fix that, but it needs to be fixed one way or the other. - Matt Montgomery
The Assyrian Church of the East (or Church of the East) was founded in Assyria between the 1st and 3rd centuries AD. Nestorius lived in the late 5th century AD. His followers fled to the Sassanid Empire of which Assyria (known as Assuristan by the Persians) was part. There was some form of synthesis between the two doctrines as they had similarities, although the Assyrian Church and its doctrine was much older. So strictly, the Assyrian Church of the East is doctrinally different to the teachings of Nestorius, although to Europeans right through the Middle Ages up until the early 20th century those Assyrians who were members of the Assyrian Church of the East were labelled Nestorians, including those Assyrians who broke from the Assyrian Church and entered into communion with the Roman Catholic Church in the 17th century and were renamed (and racially and geographically misnamed) Chaldean Catholics by The Vatican. Nestorian just became a lazy and inaccurate generic term used to describe all sorts of Eastern Christians. But after the 14th century AD when the Assyrian Church of the East-Nestorian Church was wiped out in Central Asia, China, Mongolia, everywhere except the Assyrian homeland in northern Iraq, northeast Syria, southeast Turkey and northwest Iran (as well as Kerala in [[India), it was used to describe mainly ethnic Assyrians who belonged to the; Assyrian Church of the East, Chaldean Catholic Church and even sometimes Syriac Orthodox Church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.31.70 ( talk) 15:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Please consider the above in lieu of one of those lazy "clean-up" tags. -- Wetman 09:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
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Could (maybe, maybe not) be interesting to put into the article. Yes there are extremely few, but one comes to mind: Hollywood actor F. Murray Abraham. -andy 80.129.113.231 23:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Cleaned up the article a bit Lijujacobk ( talk) 14:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Does this church use the calendar described at East Syrian Rite? Is it Julian or Gregorian or Coptic or something else? -- Beland ( talk) 16:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
"Syriac Fathers following the rabbinic tradition"
Why would Fathers be following a rabbinic tradition? Isn't that chronology backwards? Christianity predates rabbinical Judaism.
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In the section Vestments the picture that is shown shows priests wearing a Kalimavkion. Syriac Orthodox priests do not wear this clothing and this pictures seems to be Syriac Catholic not Syriac Orthodox.
Does anyone have any information regarding this picture? 3abos ( talk) 07:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
The top of the section has the claim that "the Church of Antioch played a significant role in the early history of Christianity. It played a prominent role in the first three Synods..." However the remainder of the section, which describe four of the early major synods, contain absolutely no reference to the role of the Church of Antioch. It seems as though this connection should be explained or the section should be removed, saving only the claim itself with at least a reference to supporting documentation. Jyg ( talk) 21:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
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I just wanted to note that an user at WP:WikiProject Assyria calls for Syriac Orthodox Christians (Middle East) to be merged into Assyrian people, or deleted. Please join the discussion.-- Zoupan 16:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Please confine merge discussion to the other article which is thought of for merging. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 12:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Stalinsunnykvj: Thanks for merging! However, since you started it, would you mind finishing the job? Since you didn't track every single hows and whats of sectional merges of text - which also can't be demanded of you - would you mind also correcting your merge and see to it that the merge under construction hate note may be relieved? PPEMES ( talk) 10:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
It seems this merge is completed now. Thanks! PPEMES ( talk) 15:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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Different IPs and users have enforced text in this article, as illustrated by this edit, contrary to third part sources. Until further help has enroled for this article, I'm afraid a temporary lock might be needed so that only registred users may contribute for a while. But first, I would like to ask for help for better ways to solve this problem. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 09:30, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Chicbyaccident, Thank You for the Contributions at the Article Syriac Orthodox Church. Please do note that the church was not established in 518. References and history shows it during the age of early Christianity. Due to Schism there was a confusion with the dates. Stalin Sunny Talk2Me 03:39, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Eggishorn
Chicbyaccident I used exclusively independent, scholarly books as my sources, from the top people in the field such as
Sebastian Brock & Robert Murray. These sources are the most reliable. You should read the actual books before deciding based on summaries. Just because a westerner says it separated doesn't mean it established at that date. Separation doesn't equate to establishment. Read the books first. Why are you editor of this page? Who made that decision?
Chicbyaccident Please do note that Origin and Established are having different meaning. They are cited by sources .
Stalin Sunny
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Wikipedia articles on history and religion draw from a religion's sacred texts as well as from modern archaeological, historical, and scientific sources. " According to Saint Luke, "The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" ( New Testament, Acts 11:26) " and this church is branched from Church of Antioch cited by non primary sources. For eg: IF X is the mother of Y, Then S adopted Y, X is still the mother of Y with traits adopted from S. Similarly Established and Founded have different meaning...! Stalin Sunny Talk2Me 16:44, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind help. PPEMES ( talk) 13:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
The current size of the infobox makes it almost larger than the article itself... Not sure that is comme-il-fait here on infoboxes on Wikipedia. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 16:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
What's your determining source for how, when and by whom it was founded? PPEMES ( talk) 14:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I note that the infobox has again been pumped failing WP:NPOV with regards to how origin is presented. I have to commend the pushers' persistance, because I am getting quite tired of this. PPEMES ( talk) 00:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
GreenestMen made some contributions here that were deleted by Stalinsunnykvj and MelanieN, claming that the edits of GreenestMen was vandalism. I'd caution against claiming the contributions of this user was vandalism. In fact, I think some parts of the additions were substantial and should be readded. On the other hand, the version enforced have WP:NPOV issues in for example replacing the phrase "escaping the genocide carried out by the late Ottoman empire which targeted ethnic Christians such as Armenians, Assyrians, and Arab Christians" with "escaping the Assyrian genocide". PPEMES ( talk) 22:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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The way origins is presented in the current version of the lead section does not satisfy WP:NPOV: the lead section presents it as if though the church was founded in 1st century, and attempts to disclose how the autocephalous patriarcate was established centurieds later. I must commend the POV pushers' persistance at this point, though, because I am getting quite tired of the issue. PPEMES ( talk) 00:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry, I seem to be one of very few who chime in to this article. Regrettably, I can't take that role alone. I need help to try to maintain neutrality around here. PPEMES ( talk) 00:33, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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Eggishorn, but it wasn't established in 518. That part is unnecessary and shouldn't be there. One can easily make the argument that the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch was established in 518 since there came into existence a new line of patriarchs beginning with Paul the Jew, rather than Severus whom even they recognize up until 518. The Non-Chalcedonians continued to recognize an already existing patriarch while the Chalcedonians stopped recognizing one whom they recognized for six years then began to recognize a new one. How can the Syriac Orthodox have been established in 518 then? It is illogical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SemiticHistory ( talk • contribs) 09:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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@ Xaosflux: So can someone else please monitor this article? I don't have time or energy to keep it in check all the time. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 19:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
which are they using? Informationskampagne ( talk) 13:45, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Can Someone Fix Missing End Tag Error? Stalin Sunny Talk2Me 06:06, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
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Is the theology of this denomination based in Monophysitism? If so, why not mention this basic information in the article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 09:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Google Scholar results for the various names used in the article:
If a name is only used in a tiny minority of English-language sources, it is probably WP:UNDUE in the first sentence of the article. I therefore suggest changing the first sentence to:
User:Mugsalot You are using false sources that do not refer to the claims in the text. All youractivity in the article, it's all about just defending a false claim regarding that the Syriac Orthodox Church is "historically known as the Assyrian Apostolic Church". You keep revert changes even though the source does not match with the statement written in the article. Please discuss this issue and back-up the claim. SOC-Sweden ( talk) 18:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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There is a discussion over at WP:RSN regarding the use of a certain book as a source for the article The Poem of the Man-God. Part of the discussion involves the commendation of the book in question by a Bishop of a branch of the Syriac Orthodox Church. Some editors are questioning his existence, thus bringing into question the credibility of the book itself. It seems there is sufficient evidence to show this Bishop is an authentic Bishop of the Syriac Orthodox Church or one of its branches, but some disagree. This is an informal request for comments, since some of you that participate on this talk page may have additional information pertaining to that part of the discussion. For those interested, instead of reading the entire thread, you can begin reading from near the end where I summarize the three remaining issues of contention and arguments, with a paragraph for each. Arkenstrone ( talk) 02:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The current year on info-box shows 518, However the source given(pg. 58) states that church emerged as an independent community after the council of Chalcedon. In 512 Severus Patriarch was consecrated and in 518 he was deposed for not accepting the council, the Syriac church did not reconsecrate him again on 518. In 519 new Greek Orthodox Patriarch was appointed. So requesting comments on the same. J.Stalin S Talk 16:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
why is there an image of an icon from St Catherine's Monastery? That is Greek Orthodox, not Syriac. 142.163.195.114 ( talk) 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
What is the point of the romanized name of the Church after each language? It just clutters up the lede. 142.163.195.114 ( talk) 17:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ah, there's the rub. There are actually two groups who lay claim to 'Syrian Orthodox'. One is part of the Oriental Orthodox Communion, and calls itself the "Syrian Orthodox Church". The other is part of the Eastern Orthodox Communion and calls itself the "Antiochian Orthodox Church"--although they called themselves the "Syrian Orthodox Church" until fairly recently. Dogface 04:38, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There's no mention of Jacobite in the current article. Is that something different? Because a lot of redirects come from Jacobite Orthodox Church. I've only heard of the church from a friend who said she was Syrian Jacobite.
The article looks quite different to when i last looked back in August last year [1], where's that information gone? T 05:20, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
It looks like some major reorganisation is needed here.
I am new here, so I do not quite know the best way to go about changing this. I'll have a try: let me know what you all think.
Thanks very much for your input. The whole area needs some proofreading I assume. But this article itself looks rather O.K. to me, only a bit short compared with its german counterpart at
de:Syrisch-Orthodoxe_Kirche_von_Antiochien (OTOH the german one looks like copyvio). To address your three main concerns:
If you also have a grasp on the situation in Kerale, can you please have a look at Nasrani#Nasrani_tradition_today. It seems to me, at least one of the churces named there would be a duplicate.
Pjacobi 15:17, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An additional sentence was added to be the second sentence in this article reading:
It is one of the five churches that comprised what is now the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church before the Great Schism.
The five churches referred to are the patriarchates of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. The additional sentence does not make it explicit (one reason why I don't want it there) that it is talking about the Patriarchate of Antioch in a pre-schismatic pentarchy. If the Syriac Orthodox Church was the sole inheritor of the Antiochene tradition it would be fine to leave the sentence. However, as there are a number of churches with their roots in that tradition, it certainly is POV to suggest that the SOC represents the Antiochene branch of the one perfect church.
I don't want to revert this again. So, please give me some reason why it should be there. Gareth Hughes 21:56, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There is also an unrelated Assyrian Church of the East.
The Assyrian Church of The East is related to the Syriac Orthodox Church since the founders of the Assyrian Church left the Syriac Orthodox Church sometime in the 4th or 5th century and founded the East Syriac Church also known as The Assyrian Church of The East.-- Sargon 19:10, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
The link to the Assyrian Church of the East wiki has "(Nestorian)" before it, yet that page denies that the Assyrian Church of the East is actually Nestorian. I don't really know enough about this issue to try and fix that, but it needs to be fixed one way or the other. - Matt Montgomery
The Assyrian Church of the East (or Church of the East) was founded in Assyria between the 1st and 3rd centuries AD. Nestorius lived in the late 5th century AD. His followers fled to the Sassanid Empire of which Assyria (known as Assuristan by the Persians) was part. There was some form of synthesis between the two doctrines as they had similarities, although the Assyrian Church and its doctrine was much older. So strictly, the Assyrian Church of the East is doctrinally different to the teachings of Nestorius, although to Europeans right through the Middle Ages up until the early 20th century those Assyrians who were members of the Assyrian Church of the East were labelled Nestorians, including those Assyrians who broke from the Assyrian Church and entered into communion with the Roman Catholic Church in the 17th century and were renamed (and racially and geographically misnamed) Chaldean Catholics by The Vatican. Nestorian just became a lazy and inaccurate generic term used to describe all sorts of Eastern Christians. But after the 14th century AD when the Assyrian Church of the East-Nestorian Church was wiped out in Central Asia, China, Mongolia, everywhere except the Assyrian homeland in northern Iraq, northeast Syria, southeast Turkey and northwest Iran (as well as Kerala in [[India), it was used to describe mainly ethnic Assyrians who belonged to the; Assyrian Church of the East, Chaldean Catholic Church and even sometimes Syriac Orthodox Church. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.31.70 ( talk) 15:39, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Please consider the above in lieu of one of those lazy "clean-up" tags. -- Wetman 09:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
There is now a new proposed project at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Oriental Orthodoxy for a group which would focus on articles relating to the Oriental Orthodox Church. Any individuals interested in working with such a group should indicate as much there, to allow us to know if there is enough support to actually begin such a project. Thank you. Badbilltucker 14:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Could (maybe, maybe not) be interesting to put into the article. Yes there are extremely few, but one comes to mind: Hollywood actor F. Murray Abraham. -andy 80.129.113.231 23:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Cleaned up the article a bit Lijujacobk ( talk) 14:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Does this church use the calendar described at East Syrian Rite? Is it Julian or Gregorian or Coptic or something else? -- Beland ( talk) 16:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
"Syriac Fathers following the rabbinic tradition"
Why would Fathers be following a rabbinic tradition? Isn't that chronology backwards? Christianity predates rabbinical Judaism.
Varlaam (
talk) 16:49, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
In the section Vestments the picture that is shown shows priests wearing a Kalimavkion. Syriac Orthodox priests do not wear this clothing and this pictures seems to be Syriac Catholic not Syriac Orthodox.
Does anyone have any information regarding this picture? 3abos ( talk) 07:34, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
The top of the section has the claim that "the Church of Antioch played a significant role in the early history of Christianity. It played a prominent role in the first three Synods..." However the remainder of the section, which describe four of the early major synods, contain absolutely no reference to the role of the Church of Antioch. It seems as though this connection should be explained or the section should be removed, saving only the claim itself with at least a reference to supporting documentation. Jyg ( talk) 21:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Syriac Orthodox Church's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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I just wanted to note that an user at WP:WikiProject Assyria calls for Syriac Orthodox Christians (Middle East) to be merged into Assyrian people, or deleted. Please join the discussion.-- Zoupan 16:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Please confine merge discussion to the other article which is thought of for merging. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 12:08, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Stalinsunnykvj: Thanks for merging! However, since you started it, would you mind finishing the job? Since you didn't track every single hows and whats of sectional merges of text - which also can't be demanded of you - would you mind also correcting your merge and see to it that the merge under construction hate note may be relieved? PPEMES ( talk) 10:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
It seems this merge is completed now. Thanks! PPEMES ( talk) 15:47, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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Different IPs and users have enforced text in this article, as illustrated by this edit, contrary to third part sources. Until further help has enroled for this article, I'm afraid a temporary lock might be needed so that only registred users may contribute for a while. But first, I would like to ask for help for better ways to solve this problem. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 09:30, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Chicbyaccident, Thank You for the Contributions at the Article Syriac Orthodox Church. Please do note that the church was not established in 518. References and history shows it during the age of early Christianity. Due to Schism there was a confusion with the dates. Stalin Sunny Talk2Me 03:39, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
Eggishorn
Chicbyaccident I used exclusively independent, scholarly books as my sources, from the top people in the field such as
Sebastian Brock & Robert Murray. These sources are the most reliable. You should read the actual books before deciding based on summaries. Just because a westerner says it separated doesn't mean it established at that date. Separation doesn't equate to establishment. Read the books first. Why are you editor of this page? Who made that decision?
Chicbyaccident Please do note that Origin and Established are having different meaning. They are cited by sources .
Stalin Sunny
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Wikipedia articles on history and religion draw from a religion's sacred texts as well as from modern archaeological, historical, and scientific sources. " According to Saint Luke, "The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch" ( New Testament, Acts 11:26) " and this church is branched from Church of Antioch cited by non primary sources. For eg: IF X is the mother of Y, Then S adopted Y, X is still the mother of Y with traits adopted from S. Similarly Established and Founded have different meaning...! Stalin Sunny Talk2Me 16:44, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind help. PPEMES ( talk) 13:06, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
The current size of the infobox makes it almost larger than the article itself... Not sure that is comme-il-fait here on infoboxes on Wikipedia. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 16:57, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
What's your determining source for how, when and by whom it was founded? PPEMES ( talk) 14:02, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
I note that the infobox has again been pumped failing WP:NPOV with regards to how origin is presented. I have to commend the pushers' persistance, because I am getting quite tired of this. PPEMES ( talk) 00:28, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
GreenestMen made some contributions here that were deleted by Stalinsunnykvj and MelanieN, claming that the edits of GreenestMen was vandalism. I'd caution against claiming the contributions of this user was vandalism. In fact, I think some parts of the additions were substantial and should be readded. On the other hand, the version enforced have WP:NPOV issues in for example replacing the phrase "escaping the genocide carried out by the late Ottoman empire which targeted ethnic Christians such as Armenians, Assyrians, and Arab Christians" with "escaping the Assyrian genocide". PPEMES ( talk) 22:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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The way origins is presented in the current version of the lead section does not satisfy WP:NPOV: the lead section presents it as if though the church was founded in 1st century, and attempts to disclose how the autocephalous patriarcate was established centurieds later. I must commend the POV pushers' persistance at this point, though, because I am getting quite tired of the issue. PPEMES ( talk) 00:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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Sorry, I seem to be one of very few who chime in to this article. Regrettably, I can't take that role alone. I need help to try to maintain neutrality around here. PPEMES ( talk) 00:33, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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Restored to WP:NPOV [ here]. PPEMES ( talk) 13:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
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Eggishorn, but it wasn't established in 518. That part is unnecessary and shouldn't be there. One can easily make the argument that the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch was established in 518 since there came into existence a new line of patriarchs beginning with Paul the Jew, rather than Severus whom even they recognize up until 518. The Non-Chalcedonians continued to recognize an already existing patriarch while the Chalcedonians stopped recognizing one whom they recognized for six years then began to recognize a new one. How can the Syriac Orthodox have been established in 518 then? It is illogical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SemiticHistory ( talk • contribs) 09:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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@ Xaosflux: So can someone else please monitor this article? I don't have time or energy to keep it in check all the time. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 19:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
which are they using? Informationskampagne ( talk) 13:45, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Can Someone Fix Missing End Tag Error? Stalin Sunny Talk2Me 06:06, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
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Is the theology of this denomination based in Monophysitism? If so, why not mention this basic information in the article? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 09:54, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Google Scholar results for the various names used in the article:
If a name is only used in a tiny minority of English-language sources, it is probably WP:UNDUE in the first sentence of the article. I therefore suggest changing the first sentence to:
User:Mugsalot You are using false sources that do not refer to the claims in the text. All youractivity in the article, it's all about just defending a false claim regarding that the Syriac Orthodox Church is "historically known as the Assyrian Apostolic Church". You keep revert changes even though the source does not match with the statement written in the article. Please discuss this issue and back-up the claim. SOC-Sweden ( talk) 18:40, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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There is a discussion over at WP:RSN regarding the use of a certain book as a source for the article The Poem of the Man-God. Part of the discussion involves the commendation of the book in question by a Bishop of a branch of the Syriac Orthodox Church. Some editors are questioning his existence, thus bringing into question the credibility of the book itself. It seems there is sufficient evidence to show this Bishop is an authentic Bishop of the Syriac Orthodox Church or one of its branches, but some disagree. This is an informal request for comments, since some of you that participate on this talk page may have additional information pertaining to that part of the discussion. For those interested, instead of reading the entire thread, you can begin reading from near the end where I summarize the three remaining issues of contention and arguments, with a paragraph for each. Arkenstrone ( talk) 02:58, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
The current year on info-box shows 518, However the source given(pg. 58) states that church emerged as an independent community after the council of Chalcedon. In 512 Severus Patriarch was consecrated and in 518 he was deposed for not accepting the council, the Syriac church did not reconsecrate him again on 518. In 519 new Greek Orthodox Patriarch was appointed. So requesting comments on the same. J.Stalin S Talk 16:05, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
why is there an image of an icon from St Catherine's Monastery? That is Greek Orthodox, not Syriac. 142.163.195.114 ( talk) 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
What is the point of the romanized name of the Church after each language? It just clutters up the lede. 142.163.195.114 ( talk) 17:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)