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As it is generally favored in city articles to withhold lists from the main article, I suggest we create a new article for famous Syracusans and also Film and Television. Look at "Good Articles" such as Houston and Miami. You won't find lists there. Maybe we could mention some really famous Syracusans (ala 1 million+ Google hits) in paragraph format or something. Give me your opinion. - newkai | talk | contribs 00:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "Syracusan" (without an i)? I don't remember seeing "Syracusian" before. -- Cam22:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
We NEED a new cover photo for this page. Clinton Square is nice and all, but how about something high quality, or at least not tilted. I'm heading home for the weekend, any requests for pictures? Anyone still living in SYR want to step up too? -- Niro5 16:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I had to enlarge the icons next to the political figures because I just couldn't even figure out what the donkey was. Hopefully 15 pixals isn't too much. Additionally I added a sister city section. I modeled its appearance and location after other cities pages, also I looked up on Sister Cities International website Sister Cities International (SCI), and they didn't list anything, though this proclamation from the mayor sure says something.
I just got a digital camera, so I will be trying to get some decent shots. It is nowhere near top-of-the-line though, so I really dont know how they will turn out. Any preferences for the time of day for the skyline shot anyone? -- Gizzakk 17:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
If you want some image editing software try GIMP its some of the best software around, its free and its available for more operating systems than most people know of. Also, be careful of what your camera is focusing on. It looks like the camera focused on the trees rather than the skyline. Its a good picture for the thumbnail, and a huge improvement over the old one. I agree we don't need a Featured Photo, but a picture is worth a thousand words, and the reletive quality of your site can be important, as we have seen-- Niro5 20:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
P.S.- Thanks for the heads up on the software, Niro5!
See talk:Syracuse for whether Syracuse should be a DAB page, the NY place, or the Sicilian place.
Seeing as how we have been clobbered recently on the Syracuse Disambiguation issue due to the other sides organization, I think that it would be a good idea if we did some collaberation with other Upstate New York editers. Any other thoughts?-- Niro5 22:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
removed ludicrously unimportant and obvious "teenie" idols from list of "famous syracusans"
Is "fame" the best category--or might "important" be better? Pop idols may have fleeting fame. Those thousands who hit their websites may never had heard of really more important Syracusans, such as Mary Raymond Shipman Andrews, more widely known elesewhere than in her home town. In terms of historical significance, Jermain Wesley Loguen was far more significant than many of the ephemeral "famous" peronalities named here. Will a "famous list" be outdated in ten years? "Fame" is a rather superficial category. Phmalo 16:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I started this section a few years ago, and I see the list has gotten absolutely ludicrous again. I'll be culling it again over the next few days so that the inclusion of "teenies" and the sort do not detract from those whose genuine accomplishments warrant their being on a list of the sort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.61.146.194 ( talk) 01:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Anyone good with IPA? As you probably know, Syracuse is pronounced differently in Syracuse then elsewhere, with the Syr rhyming with hair instead of deer. I was trying to figure both out in IPA, getting Sɛɹɑkjus for the local pronunciation. And Sɪɹakjus for the regular one. Could everyone take a look at the IPA chart for English and see if you get that too. Thanks. - newkai | talk | contribs 17:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Huh? I'm a native, born in the city, and for 70 years I've been rhyming the name with "deer"--or at least coming out with something between "seer" and "sir," which may be the most common variant. I don't hear "Sair-a-cuse" anywhere--or haven't I been listenting?
Phmalo 16:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no standard pronunciation, I've lived here all my life and heard it both ways - "seer" and "sair." The only pronunciation it seems to me you never hear, is "-cuze" with a "z" sound when part of the full name "Syracuse." ("'Cuse" nickname of course does have the "z" sound) 24.58.34.92 23:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Born and raised, I pronounce the final coda with a /z/, not an /s/. I know its not universally pronounced that way, but I also know that its significantly common, in local television news programs and the like. I believe that's where the /kju:z/ nickname is derived from.... ("cuse" with a voiceless /s/ isn't exactly difficult to pronounce). I had actually thought that the /z/ was the primary pronunciation, which is why I ventured onto the talk page to see what the deal was. Shouldn't we represent the /z/ variation somehow on the front page? SPL Wolf ( talk) 14:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Let's face it... A lot of Syracuse-related articles are still a mess. I still find articles on a daily basis that should at least be in Category:Greater Syracuse, New York but aren't. Wikipedia:WikiProjectsuggests that there be at least five willing editors before a project is founded. I'm sure we at least have the complexity of article mess that would warrant such a WikiProject, but do we have the editors? Please respond if you are willing to take part in such a project. With over 1075 articles linking to the main article alone, it'd be worth the effort. Especially since we have to coordinate on a much wider scale than just the main page (and hence its talk page) alone. - newkai | talk | contribs 01:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's here... Check it out... WP:SYR - newkai | talk | contribs 21:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there no information on the land claims by Six Nations Indians on the entire city of Syracuse? jdobbin 16:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
-- Niro5 18:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I just started a new page Dinosaur Bar-b-que because its such a local landmark. I can't figure out where to put it in the article, any suggestions? Perhaps a landmarks section? Restaurants seems a little too travel book-like, maybe a foods section, that way we can add other syracuse area foods like Hoffmans, Columbus Bakery, State Fair Speedie Sauce (actually binghamton, but close enough), and of course Dinosaur. Niro5 18:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be great if we could get a photo of the Hill from Downtown as opposed to a photo of Downtown from the Hill. If that makes any sense! Basically, some kind of shot that has the hospitals and SU in it. Essentially a "University Hill Skyline". - newkai t- c 01:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Up in the first section of this talk page someone said "As it is generally favored in city articles to withhold lists from the main article" ... If this is the case, shouldn't the big list of Syracuse suburbs be omitted? At the very least it should be edited -- listing every town and village in Onondaga County, while omitting all nearby towns and villages in surrounding counties, is rather silly. There's no reason not to list e.g. only the most populous and nearby suburbs. -- Rsholmes 14:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Many residents of nearby cities, such as Fulton, Oswego, and Auburn, actually commute on a daily basis to employment in Syracuse or its outlying commercial areas. Are these autnomous cities "suburbs" of Syracuse? Yes, and no, depending on how one defines a suburb or a metropolitan area. Probably the metropolitan area of Syracuse encompasses Oswego and Auburn, in adjoining Oswego and Cayuga Counties, just as it encompasses the important suburb of Cazenovia, in adjoining Madison County. Articles defined by arbitrary political juristictions (Syracuse, Onondaga County) are hampered by that constraint. Ideally, we would be talking about "Greater Syracuse" or the "Syracuse Metropolitan Area." Phmalo 16:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of the information is written as if readers would have read it back when written. Remember that this material may be up for years to come. For instance, when did McDonald propose his aerial rail system? Is that project still alive? The article makes it sould as if it's current. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phmalo( talk • contribs) 15:23, 16 January 2007
In the brief Destiny USA section, this article states that one of the goals, or anticipated outcomes, of the project is to "turn Syracuse into a huge metropolis and tourist destination." I don't think I've ever heard "huge metropolis" or any similar claim. Has this ever been a claim by Pyramid? If no one objects, I will remove "huge metropolis" leaving it at ". . . turn Syracuse into a tourist destination" which has been the claim. Mdeaton 15:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think this should be removed unless and until something actually happens. I know a lot of peopl ein Syracuse want this to happen, but "wishin' won't make it so." Bbbbbaby —Preceding comment was added at 15:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Between 1909 and 1915 Harvey Allen Moyer produced 410 cars in Syracuse. 10 still exist. I can't find here anything about the factory. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 77.128.171.149 ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 1 July 2007
I've been gone for a while, but I just decided it was about time for me to start editing again; and I noticed that the picture of Syracuse I had taken for the article was replaced with a different one. The truth is, I like the old one better, but didnt want to switch it back myself because I figured someone would yell "BIAS!" or some such. Thoughts anyone? Gizzakk 02:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Who changed the nickname back to "Salt City"? I am from Syracuse, and had previously corrected it to "The Salt City". "The" is never left off, and the expression is heard often enough for any child to know that. No one calls New York "Big Apple" or Detroit "Motor City", its always "The Big Apple" and "The Motor City". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.163.85 ( talk) 18:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Anyone have any objections if I add a main portal page to the site? Syracuse needs a main page to highlight all the different topics that are currently more or less buried or hidden. User:Nconwaymicelli 18:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi I am from the Netherlands, Europe. It's a good story about Syracuse, I think, but I am suprised there aren't any Dutch involved. New York was New Amsterdam in it's early years and the Dutch being traders and explorers in that region would make that very plausible. In the part about ethnic diversity you name a lot of immigrants among them also Native Americans. Is that a mistake or where they realy immigrants in your area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.139.195 ( talk) 12:23, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
As it is generally favored in city articles to withhold lists from the main article, I suggest we create a new article for famous Syracusans and also Film and Television. Look at "Good Articles" such as Houston and Miami. You won't find lists there. Maybe we could mention some really famous Syracusans (ala 1 million+ Google hits) in paragraph format or something. Give me your opinion. - newkai | talk | contribs 00:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be "Syracusan" (without an i)? I don't remember seeing "Syracusian" before. -- Cam22:54, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
We NEED a new cover photo for this page. Clinton Square is nice and all, but how about something high quality, or at least not tilted. I'm heading home for the weekend, any requests for pictures? Anyone still living in SYR want to step up too? -- Niro5 16:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I had to enlarge the icons next to the political figures because I just couldn't even figure out what the donkey was. Hopefully 15 pixals isn't too much. Additionally I added a sister city section. I modeled its appearance and location after other cities pages, also I looked up on Sister Cities International website Sister Cities International (SCI), and they didn't list anything, though this proclamation from the mayor sure says something.
I just got a digital camera, so I will be trying to get some decent shots. It is nowhere near top-of-the-line though, so I really dont know how they will turn out. Any preferences for the time of day for the skyline shot anyone? -- Gizzakk 17:23, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
If you want some image editing software try GIMP its some of the best software around, its free and its available for more operating systems than most people know of. Also, be careful of what your camera is focusing on. It looks like the camera focused on the trees rather than the skyline. Its a good picture for the thumbnail, and a huge improvement over the old one. I agree we don't need a Featured Photo, but a picture is worth a thousand words, and the reletive quality of your site can be important, as we have seen-- Niro5 20:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
P.S.- Thanks for the heads up on the software, Niro5!
See talk:Syracuse for whether Syracuse should be a DAB page, the NY place, or the Sicilian place.
Seeing as how we have been clobbered recently on the Syracuse Disambiguation issue due to the other sides organization, I think that it would be a good idea if we did some collaberation with other Upstate New York editers. Any other thoughts?-- Niro5 22:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
removed ludicrously unimportant and obvious "teenie" idols from list of "famous syracusans"
Is "fame" the best category--or might "important" be better? Pop idols may have fleeting fame. Those thousands who hit their websites may never had heard of really more important Syracusans, such as Mary Raymond Shipman Andrews, more widely known elesewhere than in her home town. In terms of historical significance, Jermain Wesley Loguen was far more significant than many of the ephemeral "famous" peronalities named here. Will a "famous list" be outdated in ten years? "Fame" is a rather superficial category. Phmalo 16:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I started this section a few years ago, and I see the list has gotten absolutely ludicrous again. I'll be culling it again over the next few days so that the inclusion of "teenies" and the sort do not detract from those whose genuine accomplishments warrant their being on a list of the sort. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.61.146.194 ( talk) 01:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Anyone good with IPA? As you probably know, Syracuse is pronounced differently in Syracuse then elsewhere, with the Syr rhyming with hair instead of deer. I was trying to figure both out in IPA, getting Sɛɹɑkjus for the local pronunciation. And Sɪɹakjus for the regular one. Could everyone take a look at the IPA chart for English and see if you get that too. Thanks. - newkai | talk | contribs 17:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Huh? I'm a native, born in the city, and for 70 years I've been rhyming the name with "deer"--or at least coming out with something between "seer" and "sir," which may be the most common variant. I don't hear "Sair-a-cuse" anywhere--or haven't I been listenting?
Phmalo 16:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no standard pronunciation, I've lived here all my life and heard it both ways - "seer" and "sair." The only pronunciation it seems to me you never hear, is "-cuze" with a "z" sound when part of the full name "Syracuse." ("'Cuse" nickname of course does have the "z" sound) 24.58.34.92 23:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Born and raised, I pronounce the final coda with a /z/, not an /s/. I know its not universally pronounced that way, but I also know that its significantly common, in local television news programs and the like. I believe that's where the /kju:z/ nickname is derived from.... ("cuse" with a voiceless /s/ isn't exactly difficult to pronounce). I had actually thought that the /z/ was the primary pronunciation, which is why I ventured onto the talk page to see what the deal was. Shouldn't we represent the /z/ variation somehow on the front page? SPL Wolf ( talk) 14:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Let's face it... A lot of Syracuse-related articles are still a mess. I still find articles on a daily basis that should at least be in Category:Greater Syracuse, New York but aren't. Wikipedia:WikiProjectsuggests that there be at least five willing editors before a project is founded. I'm sure we at least have the complexity of article mess that would warrant such a WikiProject, but do we have the editors? Please respond if you are willing to take part in such a project. With over 1075 articles linking to the main article alone, it'd be worth the effort. Especially since we have to coordinate on a much wider scale than just the main page (and hence its talk page) alone. - newkai | talk | contribs 01:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's here... Check it out... WP:SYR - newkai | talk | contribs 21:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Is there no information on the land claims by Six Nations Indians on the entire city of Syracuse? jdobbin 16:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
-- Niro5 18:43, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I just started a new page Dinosaur Bar-b-que because its such a local landmark. I can't figure out where to put it in the article, any suggestions? Perhaps a landmarks section? Restaurants seems a little too travel book-like, maybe a foods section, that way we can add other syracuse area foods like Hoffmans, Columbus Bakery, State Fair Speedie Sauce (actually binghamton, but close enough), and of course Dinosaur. Niro5 18:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be great if we could get a photo of the Hill from Downtown as opposed to a photo of Downtown from the Hill. If that makes any sense! Basically, some kind of shot that has the hospitals and SU in it. Essentially a "University Hill Skyline". - newkai t- c 01:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Up in the first section of this talk page someone said "As it is generally favored in city articles to withhold lists from the main article" ... If this is the case, shouldn't the big list of Syracuse suburbs be omitted? At the very least it should be edited -- listing every town and village in Onondaga County, while omitting all nearby towns and villages in surrounding counties, is rather silly. There's no reason not to list e.g. only the most populous and nearby suburbs. -- Rsholmes 14:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Many residents of nearby cities, such as Fulton, Oswego, and Auburn, actually commute on a daily basis to employment in Syracuse or its outlying commercial areas. Are these autnomous cities "suburbs" of Syracuse? Yes, and no, depending on how one defines a suburb or a metropolitan area. Probably the metropolitan area of Syracuse encompasses Oswego and Auburn, in adjoining Oswego and Cayuga Counties, just as it encompasses the important suburb of Cazenovia, in adjoining Madison County. Articles defined by arbitrary political juristictions (Syracuse, Onondaga County) are hampered by that constraint. Ideally, we would be talking about "Greater Syracuse" or the "Syracuse Metropolitan Area." Phmalo 16:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Some of the information is written as if readers would have read it back when written. Remember that this material may be up for years to come. For instance, when did McDonald propose his aerial rail system? Is that project still alive? The article makes it sould as if it's current. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phmalo( talk • contribs) 15:23, 16 January 2007
In the brief Destiny USA section, this article states that one of the goals, or anticipated outcomes, of the project is to "turn Syracuse into a huge metropolis and tourist destination." I don't think I've ever heard "huge metropolis" or any similar claim. Has this ever been a claim by Pyramid? If no one objects, I will remove "huge metropolis" leaving it at ". . . turn Syracuse into a tourist destination" which has been the claim. Mdeaton 15:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I think this should be removed unless and until something actually happens. I know a lot of peopl ein Syracuse want this to happen, but "wishin' won't make it so." Bbbbbaby —Preceding comment was added at 15:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Between 1909 and 1915 Harvey Allen Moyer produced 410 cars in Syracuse. 10 still exist. I can't find here anything about the factory. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by 77.128.171.149 ( talk • contribs) 01:13, 1 July 2007
I've been gone for a while, but I just decided it was about time for me to start editing again; and I noticed that the picture of Syracuse I had taken for the article was replaced with a different one. The truth is, I like the old one better, but didnt want to switch it back myself because I figured someone would yell "BIAS!" or some such. Thoughts anyone? Gizzakk 02:07, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Who changed the nickname back to "Salt City"? I am from Syracuse, and had previously corrected it to "The Salt City". "The" is never left off, and the expression is heard often enough for any child to know that. No one calls New York "Big Apple" or Detroit "Motor City", its always "The Big Apple" and "The Motor City". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.163.85 ( talk) 18:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Anyone have any objections if I add a main portal page to the site? Syracuse needs a main page to highlight all the different topics that are currently more or less buried or hidden. User:Nconwaymicelli 18:29, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi I am from the Netherlands, Europe. It's a good story about Syracuse, I think, but I am suprised there aren't any Dutch involved. New York was New Amsterdam in it's early years and the Dutch being traders and explorers in that region would make that very plausible. In the part about ethnic diversity you name a lot of immigrants among them also Native Americans. Is that a mistake or where they realy immigrants in your area? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.160.139.195 ( talk) 12:23, 7 October 2011 (UTC)