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I'm removing all occurences of "attacca" in the tempo markings of movements. A Dover miniature score ( [1]; looks rather reliable to me) doesn't have any attaccas anywhere, as far as I can see. Perhaps the editor of some edition of a more "edited" nature put them there, not considering the absence of pauses or fermatas clear enough, and a contributor used such an edition. (On a sidenote, by my reasoning, they wouldn't belong there anyway, since "attacca" describes how one movement--or part of one--follows after another, not the tempo of the movement itself. That's irrelevant, though, and perhaps more subjective.) EldKatt ( Talk) 17:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
There are several other works bearing the term Pastoral/Pastorale - a disambiguation is needed. Bob aka Linuxlad 23:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says that the symphony was not well-received at the premiere, being overshadowed by the excitement caused by its more flamboyant counterpart (the 5th symphony); but the article for the 5th says that there was little critical response to the premiere performance. Worth sorting out this contradiction, if somebody has access to the references. -- VinceBowdren 00:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the article could mention the Symphony's appearence in the animated Disney Film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surten ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. Though mentioning a Disney film in an article about Beethoven may seem asinine, the excerpt from Fantasia really does deserve some recognition. Madd0817 ( talk) 19:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Agreed -- whilst it's 'only' a Disney film, Fantasia does seem to have a special and even important relationship with classical music, particularly as it will've been many people's introduction to symphonies such as this one. In terms of wiki style, should it be added within a section called Cultural References, or References in Popular Culture, etc? Would we then need to find and enumerate other uses of the symphony in film, etc? If anyone objects to this edit just say so! 94.174.162.214 ( talk) 11:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
The recordings offered on the page are completely wretched in innumerable ways. Please remove them. If anyone can see this web page, they can go to Youtube and hear them played far better. Skidmore is bad even by liberal arts college orchestra standards.
-Mad Maestro —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mad Maestro ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Can some1 write more about the program mucic of this symphony please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.212.18 ( talk) 15:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
The German headlines for the symphony are so beautiful. I wonder about a good English translation. Stephan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.131.238.28 ( talk) 08:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
In the context of a discussion about the new local guidelines for titling series of compositions, a Suggestion has been made here to retitle this article. Namely:
To accommodate the common name 'Pastoral' without affecting consistency (in the spirit of WP:MUSICSERIES), Suggest Symphony No. 6 'Pastoral' (Beethoven), or something similar.
To avoid duplicate discussions, I guess it would be appropriate to restrict comment on this talk page to issues specifically related to this particular symphony, and to discuss broader questions in this section of the music naming conventions talk page. MistyMorn ( talk) 13:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I've clipped this older good-faith edit out of the article:
This seems subjective/unencyclopedic to me and moreover has no cited reference source. If there is evidence that Beethoven knew the tune and was inspired by it in writing the Sixth Symphony, then it should go back in.
Incidentally, I checked the link to the tune; English speakers may be familiar with it under the name " Oh where, oh where has my little dog gone?". Evidently the intended match is to the opening of the trio section of Mvt. 3. Opus33 ( talk) 16:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
References
I've added a Secion OR tag to the 'Form' section, because the analysis does not cite any sources, and there are many online references available for this piece, which contain detailed structure analysis (mentioning, for example, the extensive use of triplets in the first movement, which this section omits). If no sources are cited soon in response to this, I'll change the text to something that can be sourced properly. Bubka42 ( talk) 04:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
is Sadie in Grove the best source for this? Please find a primary source! Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
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I'm removing all occurences of "attacca" in the tempo markings of movements. A Dover miniature score ( [1]; looks rather reliable to me) doesn't have any attaccas anywhere, as far as I can see. Perhaps the editor of some edition of a more "edited" nature put them there, not considering the absence of pauses or fermatas clear enough, and a contributor used such an edition. (On a sidenote, by my reasoning, they wouldn't belong there anyway, since "attacca" describes how one movement--or part of one--follows after another, not the tempo of the movement itself. That's irrelevant, though, and perhaps more subjective.) EldKatt ( Talk) 17:42, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
There are several other works bearing the term Pastoral/Pastorale - a disambiguation is needed. Bob aka Linuxlad 23:15, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
The article says that the symphony was not well-received at the premiere, being overshadowed by the excitement caused by its more flamboyant counterpart (the 5th symphony); but the article for the 5th says that there was little critical response to the premiere performance. Worth sorting out this contradiction, if somebody has access to the references. -- VinceBowdren 00:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the article could mention the Symphony's appearence in the animated Disney Film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Surten ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. Though mentioning a Disney film in an article about Beethoven may seem asinine, the excerpt from Fantasia really does deserve some recognition. Madd0817 ( talk) 19:23, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Agreed -- whilst it's 'only' a Disney film, Fantasia does seem to have a special and even important relationship with classical music, particularly as it will've been many people's introduction to symphonies such as this one. In terms of wiki style, should it be added within a section called Cultural References, or References in Popular Culture, etc? Would we then need to find and enumerate other uses of the symphony in film, etc? If anyone objects to this edit just say so! 94.174.162.214 ( talk) 11:57, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
The recordings offered on the page are completely wretched in innumerable ways. Please remove them. If anyone can see this web page, they can go to Youtube and hear them played far better. Skidmore is bad even by liberal arts college orchestra standards.
-Mad Maestro —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mad Maestro ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
Can some1 write more about the program mucic of this symphony please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.212.18 ( talk) 15:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
The German headlines for the symphony are so beautiful. I wonder about a good English translation. Stephan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.131.238.28 ( talk) 08:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
In the context of a discussion about the new local guidelines for titling series of compositions, a Suggestion has been made here to retitle this article. Namely:
To accommodate the common name 'Pastoral' without affecting consistency (in the spirit of WP:MUSICSERIES), Suggest Symphony No. 6 'Pastoral' (Beethoven), or something similar.
To avoid duplicate discussions, I guess it would be appropriate to restrict comment on this talk page to issues specifically related to this particular symphony, and to discuss broader questions in this section of the music naming conventions talk page. MistyMorn ( talk) 13:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I've clipped this older good-faith edit out of the article:
This seems subjective/unencyclopedic to me and moreover has no cited reference source. If there is evidence that Beethoven knew the tune and was inspired by it in writing the Sixth Symphony, then it should go back in.
Incidentally, I checked the link to the tune; English speakers may be familiar with it under the name " Oh where, oh where has my little dog gone?". Evidently the intended match is to the opening of the trio section of Mvt. 3. Opus33 ( talk) 16:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
References
I've added a Secion OR tag to the 'Form' section, because the analysis does not cite any sources, and there are many online references available for this piece, which contain detailed structure analysis (mentioning, for example, the extensive use of triplets in the first movement, which this section omits). If no sources are cited soon in response to this, I'll change the text to something that can be sourced properly. Bubka42 ( talk) 04:02, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
is Sadie in Grove the best source for this? Please find a primary source! Schissel | Sound the Note! 22:02, 20 December 2019 (UTC)