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What ref supports this? Ref provided does not. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
"Personal life Sarkar was born to a middle-class Bengali family in North Kolkata near Beadon Street, on 23 November 1953. Sarkar’s early years were spent in Kolkata, till he graduated from Medical College and later joined the IMS, BHU, Varanasi for his Master Degree. He was married to his MBBS college mate and ideological comrade Dr Mita Mukherjee, with whom he has a son, Soham, who is currently an Intensive Care and Acute Medicine physician in Australia. The couple got mutually separated later. Sarkar is currently married to Jeanette Olsson, a Swedish social worker and public health specialist from Gothenberg, Sweden. She has worked both in Sweden and internationally, in the healthcare system, NGOs and United Nations. Her key areas of expertise are psycho-social work with children and youth, HIV/AIDS and development work. [1]"
Article contains a fair bit of it unfortunately. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
First ref is from Wikipedia and does not support the content in question. Second ref does not mention the person in question. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
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He began his career as a resident physician of Pulmonology (Chest Medicine) in the Medical College Hospital, Kolkata in 1979, owing to his early interest in tuberculosis (TB). After his training in Public Health and Preventive and Social Medicine in BHU, he worked as a Medical Officer in a remote rural TB Sanatorium in Digri in the district of Midnapore in West Bengal, India. citation needed
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
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Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
How does this ref support?
"In 1986, he joined the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) in its Kolkata office of WHO Referral Center for Training and Research for South East Asia, annexed to the National Institute of Cholera and Enteric Diseases (NICED). [1] "
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
"While working with The UNAIDS, Sarkar also advocated the funding avenues for malaria control for Asia, and ensured more than 75% of external international financing for malaria control from The Global Fund with $5.3 billion committed for malaria programs in 83 countries, including $0.95 billion in Asia covering 32 countries in East Asia and the Pacific and South and West Asia, a large part of which was through his advocacy. [2]"
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Were does it say that it was "HE" who made 75% of funding? Gah Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Well I thank User:Drsayantanb for there efforts. Maybe we should return this to draft space for more work. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
User:Drsayantanb were does it state his secondary school?
What source are you using for his number of kids?
What source are you using for his birthdate?
Drsayantanb you have meet this person when? Can you describe your connection with them in more details? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
As you are from India, I insist you to ponder over the time of late 1980's and 1990's, during peak time of insurgency and terrorism in the North Eastern states of India [ [5]], when these research works has taken place.
I mention here, just to emphasize my intent of creating the page of this guy, and to try to substantiate that I am not doing it for any commercial reason. And you have also rightfully deleted all the related or tangential references that I could draw, as per wikipedia policy, which I agree to, and express my previous ignorance, being a new user. Have not undone any of your edits. The next set of Sarkar's activities were also amazing, to which there is again limited direct online references. Which led to the withdrawal of the Indian patent of Pfizer, that was limiting the generic drug companies to manufacture antiretrovirals, and curbing monopoly of a drug market, when ART used to cost 10 times lesser if the patent could have been withdrawn. Later, the availability of free ART through government programme for all AIDS patients were also a result of diplomatic advocacies, simultaneously with 1-Indian government and politicians (many of whom were too corrupt to understand) to frame a law to reject Pfizer's patent claims against the rights of dying AIDS patients, 2-The Global fund which funded 122 million USD to pump in the resources and 3-generic drug companies viz. Cipla. Later he became the Asia Pacific Regional Director of The Global Fund. These are complex interlinked diplomatic issues and lacks online references and is rightfully deleted from the latest version of the draft Draft:Swarup Sarkar.
Offline references are allowed and we are not biased against them. If you have offline references, that supports your assertions of his being a pioneer in his area, please provide them at all costs.
These works are indeed pioneering, which sadly lacks proper online third party reports or resources, except the few peer reviewed publications in quality scientific journals.....
-- Nope. All those works are accessible by me and I have read them in entirety. Written by Sarkar along with others, they do not make any claim of his being a pioneer. Even, if it did, we would have rejected, because we cannot take claims of his extra-ordinarity from himself. Also, we don't write paragraphs paraphrasing abstracts of one's researches, just because they were published in a peer-reviewed journal.
I advice you to ask those, who told you all these interesting details, to write it over some peer-reviewed publication, from where we can source these. I have nothing more to add; as to your interesting narrative of his contributions.
You are warned to refrain from linking to off-wiki sites; which contain a mixture of good, bad, worse and plain harassment. You can be blocked if you persist.
Thanks for leading me to Niyogi's article. I will develop that, once BGR-34, Sentinelese and Viral hemorrhagic fever attains GA and I get done with K S Singh. I will move this draft, back to mainspace in a few days or so, once I take a more thorough review. There's no doubt that Sarkar passes WP:N. ∯WBG converse 09:16, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I am also eager to know more about- You are warned to refrain from linking to off-wiki sites....You can be blocked if you persist. - which references / links are you exactly referring to. This statement is quite a big threat for a new Wikipedian like me, and I would definitely like to know in details. I shall be away from the discussion for a few days owing to my upcoming final DM exit examination. Will continue further then. Regards. Drsayantanb ( talk) 16:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I have searched the WHO site, and I can find no mention of any award called "Award for Outstanding Health Achievements"., . Nor can I find on their site mention of any award from WHO given to Sarkar in 2018. I see the Times of India article, but I can not identify what exactly theyare referring to. I suppose it is some specific award, but I cannnot determine what the name of the award is. I imagine the TofI is in fact referring to something, but I cannot find what, from the vague language they use. All other sources are a copy of that newspaper article or of Wikipedia , or a some similar PR. I think this will need to be removed unless exact information is forthcoming. DGG ( talk ) 05:26, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
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What ref supports this? Ref provided does not. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:37, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
"Personal life Sarkar was born to a middle-class Bengali family in North Kolkata near Beadon Street, on 23 November 1953. Sarkar’s early years were spent in Kolkata, till he graduated from Medical College and later joined the IMS, BHU, Varanasi for his Master Degree. He was married to his MBBS college mate and ideological comrade Dr Mita Mukherjee, with whom he has a son, Soham, who is currently an Intensive Care and Acute Medicine physician in Australia. The couple got mutually separated later. Sarkar is currently married to Jeanette Olsson, a Swedish social worker and public health specialist from Gothenberg, Sweden. She has worked both in Sweden and internationally, in the healthcare system, NGOs and United Nations. Her key areas of expertise are psycho-social work with children and youth, HIV/AIDS and development work. [1]"
Article contains a fair bit of it unfortunately. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
First ref is from Wikipedia and does not support the content in question. Second ref does not mention the person in question. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
References
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He began his career as a resident physician of Pulmonology (Chest Medicine) in the Medical College Hospital, Kolkata in 1979, owing to his early interest in tuberculosis (TB). After his training in Public Health and Preventive and Social Medicine in BHU, he worked as a Medical Officer in a remote rural TB Sanatorium in Digri in the district of Midnapore in West Bengal, India. citation needed
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
References
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
How does this ref support?
"In 1986, he joined the Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) in its Kolkata office of WHO Referral Center for Training and Research for South East Asia, annexed to the National Institute of Cholera and Enteric Diseases (NICED). [1] "
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
"While working with The UNAIDS, Sarkar also advocated the funding avenues for malaria control for Asia, and ensured more than 75% of external international financing for malaria control from The Global Fund with $5.3 billion committed for malaria programs in 83 countries, including $0.95 billion in Asia covering 32 countries in East Asia and the Pacific and South and West Asia, a large part of which was through his advocacy. [2]"
References
:3
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (
link)
Were does it say that it was "HE" who made 75% of funding? Gah Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:33, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Well I thank User:Drsayantanb for there efforts. Maybe we should return this to draft space for more work. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:39, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 20:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
User:Drsayantanb were does it state his secondary school?
What source are you using for his number of kids?
What source are you using for his birthdate?
Drsayantanb you have meet this person when? Can you describe your connection with them in more details? Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 16:03, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
As you are from India, I insist you to ponder over the time of late 1980's and 1990's, during peak time of insurgency and terrorism in the North Eastern states of India [ [5]], when these research works has taken place.
I mention here, just to emphasize my intent of creating the page of this guy, and to try to substantiate that I am not doing it for any commercial reason. And you have also rightfully deleted all the related or tangential references that I could draw, as per wikipedia policy, which I agree to, and express my previous ignorance, being a new user. Have not undone any of your edits. The next set of Sarkar's activities were also amazing, to which there is again limited direct online references. Which led to the withdrawal of the Indian patent of Pfizer, that was limiting the generic drug companies to manufacture antiretrovirals, and curbing monopoly of a drug market, when ART used to cost 10 times lesser if the patent could have been withdrawn. Later, the availability of free ART through government programme for all AIDS patients were also a result of diplomatic advocacies, simultaneously with 1-Indian government and politicians (many of whom were too corrupt to understand) to frame a law to reject Pfizer's patent claims against the rights of dying AIDS patients, 2-The Global fund which funded 122 million USD to pump in the resources and 3-generic drug companies viz. Cipla. Later he became the Asia Pacific Regional Director of The Global Fund. These are complex interlinked diplomatic issues and lacks online references and is rightfully deleted from the latest version of the draft Draft:Swarup Sarkar.
Offline references are allowed and we are not biased against them. If you have offline references, that supports your assertions of his being a pioneer in his area, please provide them at all costs.
These works are indeed pioneering, which sadly lacks proper online third party reports or resources, except the few peer reviewed publications in quality scientific journals.....
-- Nope. All those works are accessible by me and I have read them in entirety. Written by Sarkar along with others, they do not make any claim of his being a pioneer. Even, if it did, we would have rejected, because we cannot take claims of his extra-ordinarity from himself. Also, we don't write paragraphs paraphrasing abstracts of one's researches, just because they were published in a peer-reviewed journal.
I advice you to ask those, who told you all these interesting details, to write it over some peer-reviewed publication, from where we can source these. I have nothing more to add; as to your interesting narrative of his contributions.
You are warned to refrain from linking to off-wiki sites; which contain a mixture of good, bad, worse and plain harassment. You can be blocked if you persist.
Thanks for leading me to Niyogi's article. I will develop that, once BGR-34, Sentinelese and Viral hemorrhagic fever attains GA and I get done with K S Singh. I will move this draft, back to mainspace in a few days or so, once I take a more thorough review. There's no doubt that Sarkar passes WP:N. ∯WBG converse 09:16, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I am also eager to know more about- You are warned to refrain from linking to off-wiki sites....You can be blocked if you persist. - which references / links are you exactly referring to. This statement is quite a big threat for a new Wikipedian like me, and I would definitely like to know in details. I shall be away from the discussion for a few days owing to my upcoming final DM exit examination. Will continue further then. Regards. Drsayantanb ( talk) 16:17, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
I have searched the WHO site, and I can find no mention of any award called "Award for Outstanding Health Achievements"., . Nor can I find on their site mention of any award from WHO given to Sarkar in 2018. I see the Times of India article, but I can not identify what exactly theyare referring to. I suppose it is some specific award, but I cannnot determine what the name of the award is. I imagine the TofI is in fact referring to something, but I cannot find what, from the vague language they use. All other sources are a copy of that newspaper article or of Wikipedia , or a some similar PR. I think this will need to be removed unless exact information is forthcoming. DGG ( talk ) 05:26, 28 April 2019 (UTC)