 | This article was nominated for deletion on 27 July 2015. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
 | On 6 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Susya, Har Hevron to Susya (Israeli settlement). The result of the discussion was moved. |
This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because it is a split of an unreadable article and the rules read Note that splits of large articles are not eligible under this criterion. It talks about 3 different sites thus should have 3 articles like in the case of Carmel, Har Hebron, al-Karmil and Carmel (biblical settlement). I also added information which isn't in the original. -- Settleman ( talk) 06:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
This website is of course not WP:RS : www.susya.net. I also removed information that are wp:undue. Pluto2012 ( talk) 19:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) {{ping| ClydeFranklin}} ( t/ c) 01:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Susya, Har Hevron → Susya (Israeli settlement)
- Elazar, Gush Etzion → Elazar (Israeli settlement)
- Eli, Mateh Binyamin → Eli (Israeli settlement)
- Gilgal, Bik'at HaYarden → Gilgal (Israeli settlement)
- Gitit, Bik'at HaYarden → Gitit (Israeli settlement)
- Hamra, Bik'at HaYarden → Hamra (Israeli settlement)
- Kedar, Gush Etzion → Kedar (Israeli settlement)
- Matityahu, Mateh Binyamin → Matityahu (Israeli settlement)
- Neria, Mateh Binyamin → Neria (Israeli settlement)
- Nili, Mateh Binyamin → Nili (Israeli settlement)
- Oz Zion, Mateh Binyamin → Oz Zion (Israeli settlement)
- Rotem, Bik'at HaYarden → Rotem (Israeli settlement)
- Tekoa, Gush Etzion → Tekoa (Israeli settlement)
- Telem, Har Hevron → Telem (Israeli settlement)
- Ahiya, Mateh Binyamin → Ahiya (Israeli settlement)
- Almon, Mateh Binyamin → Almon (Israeli settlement)
- Alon, Mateh Binyamin → Alon (Israeli settlement)
– Following the discussion at Talk:Carmel (Israeli settlement) § Requested move 14 March 2023 which showed a clear consensus against using the Israeli regional council name as a disambiguation for Israeli settlements outside of Israel, proposing this multi-page move for the other settlement articles titled this way. None of these places are commonly referred to by their regional council designation, they all are most commonly referred to as Israeli settlements. Using Susya as an example, there is 2 news result that has Susya and "Har Hevron" in the text, and 10 for Susya "Israeli settlement". A general google search shows an even larger disparity, with 1700 results for Susya "Har Hevron" and over 35,000 for Susya "Israeli settlement". The most common disambiguation for these settlements is "Israeli settlements" and our articles should not be titled in a way to use a foreign nation's subdivisions in a territory outside of its borders. Nableezy 15:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Pinging the editors involved in the prior discussion as these pages were brought up and discussed there, @ Festucalex, Necrothesp, Number 57, Selfstudier, Nishidani, NSH001, and Huldra: nableezy - 15:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Principles should be uniformly applied across a field, so I am of the opinion that the regional council designation is not appropriate for the article names, and Israeli settlement, which RS will consistently show is the default form of naming, should be applied to all. Nishidani ( talk) 16:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Move all. Proposer's argument is convincing. Zero talk 01:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support: Per the OP, the above and NPOV - Wikipedia should not be elevating minority views. Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support all. The RM at Carmel (Israeli settlement), linked in the nomination, shows a clear consensus with a strong grounding in policy ( WP:NPOV in particular). Its arguments apply here as well, and this bulk move helps ensure that article titles for this group are WP:CONSISTENT with one another. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support moving all; pr nominator,
Huldra (
talk) 21:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC) PS, shouldn't Efrat be included? See
Talk:Efrat#Requested move 7 April 2023,
Huldra (
talk)
21:16, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Efrat isnt disambiguated by regional council name right now, that seems to be Isakandar saying that Efrat is not the primary topic and should be disambiguated and the dab page made the main target. I havent looked enough to have an opinion on that, but it isnt a part of this conversation imo. nableezy - 23:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support move per OP. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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This article should not be speedy deleted as being recently created, having no relevant page history and duplicating an existing English Wikipedia topic, because it is a split of an unreadable article and the rules read Note that splits of large articles are not eligible under this criterion. It talks about 3 different sites thus should have 3 articles like in the case of Carmel, Har Hebron, al-Karmil and Carmel (biblical settlement). I also added information which isn't in the original. -- Settleman ( talk) 06:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
This website is of course not WP:RS : www.susya.net. I also removed information that are wp:undue. Pluto2012 ( talk) 19:09, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) {{ping| ClydeFranklin}} ( t/ c) 01:29, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Susya, Har Hevron → Susya (Israeli settlement)
- Elazar, Gush Etzion → Elazar (Israeli settlement)
- Eli, Mateh Binyamin → Eli (Israeli settlement)
- Gilgal, Bik'at HaYarden → Gilgal (Israeli settlement)
- Gitit, Bik'at HaYarden → Gitit (Israeli settlement)
- Hamra, Bik'at HaYarden → Hamra (Israeli settlement)
- Kedar, Gush Etzion → Kedar (Israeli settlement)
- Matityahu, Mateh Binyamin → Matityahu (Israeli settlement)
- Neria, Mateh Binyamin → Neria (Israeli settlement)
- Nili, Mateh Binyamin → Nili (Israeli settlement)
- Oz Zion, Mateh Binyamin → Oz Zion (Israeli settlement)
- Rotem, Bik'at HaYarden → Rotem (Israeli settlement)
- Tekoa, Gush Etzion → Tekoa (Israeli settlement)
- Telem, Har Hevron → Telem (Israeli settlement)
- Ahiya, Mateh Binyamin → Ahiya (Israeli settlement)
- Almon, Mateh Binyamin → Almon (Israeli settlement)
- Alon, Mateh Binyamin → Alon (Israeli settlement)
– Following the discussion at Talk:Carmel (Israeli settlement) § Requested move 14 March 2023 which showed a clear consensus against using the Israeli regional council name as a disambiguation for Israeli settlements outside of Israel, proposing this multi-page move for the other settlement articles titled this way. None of these places are commonly referred to by their regional council designation, they all are most commonly referred to as Israeli settlements. Using Susya as an example, there is 2 news result that has Susya and "Har Hevron" in the text, and 10 for Susya "Israeli settlement". A general google search shows an even larger disparity, with 1700 results for Susya "Har Hevron" and over 35,000 for Susya "Israeli settlement". The most common disambiguation for these settlements is "Israeli settlements" and our articles should not be titled in a way to use a foreign nation's subdivisions in a territory outside of its borders. Nableezy 15:43, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Pinging the editors involved in the prior discussion as these pages were brought up and discussed there, @ Festucalex, Necrothesp, Number 57, Selfstudier, Nishidani, NSH001, and Huldra: nableezy - 15:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Principles should be uniformly applied across a field, so I am of the opinion that the regional council designation is not appropriate for the article names, and Israeli settlement, which RS will consistently show is the default form of naming, should be applied to all. Nishidani ( talk) 16:07, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
- Move all. Proposer's argument is convincing. Zero talk 01:28, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support: Per the OP, the above and NPOV - Wikipedia should not be elevating minority views. Iskandar323 ( talk) 10:04, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support all. The RM at Carmel (Israeli settlement), linked in the nomination, shows a clear consensus with a strong grounding in policy ( WP:NPOV in particular). Its arguments apply here as well, and this bulk move helps ensure that article titles for this group are WP:CONSISTENT with one another. ModernDayTrilobite ( talk • contribs) 14:33, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support moving all; pr nominator,
Huldra (
talk) 21:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC) PS, shouldn't Efrat be included? See
Talk:Efrat#Requested move 7 April 2023,
Huldra (
talk)
21:16, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Efrat isnt disambiguated by regional council name right now, that seems to be Isakandar saying that Efrat is not the primary topic and should be disambiguated and the dab page made the main target. I havent looked enough to have an opinion on that, but it isnt a part of this conversation imo. nableezy - 23:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support move per OP. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 12:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)