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I've been bold and moved the page to Clark and Lois. I have to say it's a crackingly well written article, although it could stand references. However, my concerns were with the prominence of a neologism as the main feature of the article, when it's the relationship itself that's being discussed. Given that the term is a fan derived term, it seems to me the best place for this article is to discuss the relationship and discuss the term Clois as an adjunct to that relationship. I've also reordered the sections in chronological order and removed the animated series header until that section gets written. Hiding Talk 13:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We should add a "Spoilers" template to the top of this article and mention the profound implications of Superman Returns in which Lois' child is obviously Superman's 24.13.69.212 04:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question should the title of the page be called LOIS & CLARK since that is the main name used in both the mythology and in ever other incarnation of SUPERMAN ? I mean the Clark & Lois / Clois name is only used in "SMALLVILLE" not in the general Superman comics or any other incarnations it's always been LOIS & CLARK LANE & KENT.
"Clark and Lois (or sometimes known as CLois)" -- This is not common parlance for this relationship. Even in terms of Smallville--a very marginal part of Superman history--it is only used in a few internet forums, and only by people who use similar labels for relationships on any TV series.
Clois is a shipper term, and not widely used by Superman fans, or even the majority of Smallville viewers at all. It's a term used only by a small segment of online posters who know very little about the characters, for the most part, outside of the limited exposure they've had to Smallville's rendition of them.
I don't know where you came up with the notion that most "Cloisers" are unhappy with the way the relationship is portrayed. I see enough posts on the forums to know that that's not necessarily true. Most fans, other than the younger and more unsophisticated viwers, can see the underlying sexual tension and foreshadowing easily. If you want to make this article neutral and useable I suggest you take that line out--or provided verifiable statistical data for it. I'd suggest you keep the shipper acronyms out of any article you'd like to have taken seriously--unless it's an article on shippers, and there's already one of those.
I'd check my canon too. Lois doesn't fall for Superman, as any check of the facts will reveal. She falls for Clark Kent and only later finds out he is Superman. You've posted a misconception as fact.
Also I added the info about Bryan singer revealing that Jason Lane is infact the son of Superman
At the 2006 San Diego Comic Con Bryan Singer answered some fans questions on Superman Returns and The 2009 sequel in one of his answers he revealed The truth about Jason Lane's father.
Jason is 100% Superman's son. It's part of what he most looks forward to exploring about the sequel.
I don't think we should use "fanvocabulary" in a wikipedia article when most of the people have no clue what these words mean. It is also confusing because they are not used by fans of any other superman incarnation besides Smallville. -- 88.115.221.201 ( talk) 15:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I also don't think that the length of hugs is appropriate. -- 86.134.116.40 ( talk) 16:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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This article needs to be heavily cleened up, first of all it is filled with unverified claims like;
"Yet, the producers claim they have been limited in the usage of Clark and Lois" or "A disagreement between Margot Kidder and the producers after Superman II led to Lois' character's part being reduced in the third movie" .
The NPOV I put up because this article does feel very informal;
"Finally, Clark decided to reveal his real identity to Lois and so they began a long engagement which was complicated by the reintroduction of Lori Lemaris into Clark's life. At last, after a break up and several problems, in 1996, Lois and Clark got married and a wedding album was released." or "What remains to be seen (presumably in the sequel to Superman Returns) is how Bryan Singer will resolve the love triangle between Lois Lane, Superman, and Richard White. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.49.8 ( talk) 12:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
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Smallvillecruft, as demonstrated by the earliest version. Wouldn't it be better to split content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.223.70 ( talk) 06:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Relationship of Clark Kent and Lois Lane → ? –
There is WAY too much space devoted to Smallville in this article. It was just one TV show, people. Cut out that "and then..." stuff, please! - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 23:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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I've been bold and moved the page to Clark and Lois. I have to say it's a crackingly well written article, although it could stand references. However, my concerns were with the prominence of a neologism as the main feature of the article, when it's the relationship itself that's being discussed. Given that the term is a fan derived term, it seems to me the best place for this article is to discuss the relationship and discuss the term Clois as an adjunct to that relationship. I've also reordered the sections in chronological order and removed the animated series header until that section gets written. Hiding Talk 13:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We should add a "Spoilers" template to the top of this article and mention the profound implications of Superman Returns in which Lois' child is obviously Superman's 24.13.69.212 04:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question should the title of the page be called LOIS & CLARK since that is the main name used in both the mythology and in ever other incarnation of SUPERMAN ? I mean the Clark & Lois / Clois name is only used in "SMALLVILLE" not in the general Superman comics or any other incarnations it's always been LOIS & CLARK LANE & KENT.
"Clark and Lois (or sometimes known as CLois)" -- This is not common parlance for this relationship. Even in terms of Smallville--a very marginal part of Superman history--it is only used in a few internet forums, and only by people who use similar labels for relationships on any TV series.
Clois is a shipper term, and not widely used by Superman fans, or even the majority of Smallville viewers at all. It's a term used only by a small segment of online posters who know very little about the characters, for the most part, outside of the limited exposure they've had to Smallville's rendition of them.
I don't know where you came up with the notion that most "Cloisers" are unhappy with the way the relationship is portrayed. I see enough posts on the forums to know that that's not necessarily true. Most fans, other than the younger and more unsophisticated viwers, can see the underlying sexual tension and foreshadowing easily. If you want to make this article neutral and useable I suggest you take that line out--or provided verifiable statistical data for it. I'd suggest you keep the shipper acronyms out of any article you'd like to have taken seriously--unless it's an article on shippers, and there's already one of those.
I'd check my canon too. Lois doesn't fall for Superman, as any check of the facts will reveal. She falls for Clark Kent and only later finds out he is Superman. You've posted a misconception as fact.
Also I added the info about Bryan singer revealing that Jason Lane is infact the son of Superman
At the 2006 San Diego Comic Con Bryan Singer answered some fans questions on Superman Returns and The 2009 sequel in one of his answers he revealed The truth about Jason Lane's father.
Jason is 100% Superman's son. It's part of what he most looks forward to exploring about the sequel.
I don't think we should use "fanvocabulary" in a wikipedia article when most of the people have no clue what these words mean. It is also confusing because they are not used by fans of any other superman incarnation besides Smallville. -- 88.115.221.201 ( talk) 15:52, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I also don't think that the length of hugs is appropriate. -- 86.134.116.40 ( talk) 16:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
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This article needs to be heavily cleened up, first of all it is filled with unverified claims like;
"Yet, the producers claim they have been limited in the usage of Clark and Lois" or "A disagreement between Margot Kidder and the producers after Superman II led to Lois' character's part being reduced in the third movie" .
The NPOV I put up because this article does feel very informal;
"Finally, Clark decided to reveal his real identity to Lois and so they began a long engagement which was complicated by the reintroduction of Lori Lemaris into Clark's life. At last, after a break up and several problems, in 1996, Lois and Clark got married and a wedding album was released." or "What remains to be seen (presumably in the sequel to Superman Returns) is how Bryan Singer will resolve the love triangle between Lois Lane, Superman, and Richard White. " —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.49.8 ( talk) 12:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
This article needs the B-Class checklist filled in to remain a B-Class article for the Comics WikiProject. If the checklist is not filled in by 7th August this article will be re-assessed as C-Class. The checklist should be filled out referencing the guidance given at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. For further details please contact the Comics WikiProject. Comics-awb ( talk) 17:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Smallvillecruft, as demonstrated by the earliest version. Wouldn't it be better to split content? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.223.70 ( talk) 06:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
As this B-Class article has yet to receive a review, it has been rated as C-Class. If you disagree and would like to request an assesment, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Comics/Assessment#Requesting_an_assessment and list the article. Hiding T 14:24, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved Mike Cline ( talk) 18:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Relationship of Clark Kent and Lois Lane → ? –
There is WAY too much space devoted to Smallville in this article. It was just one TV show, people. Cut out that "and then..." stuff, please! - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 23:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)