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Is there a reason for creating this seperate article and splitting it off from the Superboy article? Unless I missed something recently, Kon-El *is* still called "Superboy", and thus deserves to be listed on the same page (unless it's related to the length of his section...). Anthony Dean 22:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I feel the huge retcons Geoff Johns introduced in his 'Teen Titans' series should be addressed... as Retcons. They change a great deal of the character's past, personality, behavior, and powerset, thus should be outright called a 'retcon'.
I feel that Geoff Johns' retcon about making Superboy half-human and half-Kyrptonian were genius. There was really no other way to explain how Superboy could look exactly like Superman when he was a teenager. The original story is that Superboy was genetically altered to look like Superman but that doesn't make any sence how he could look like Superman as a sixteen year-old. If he was grown to full adulthood and than they alterd his apperance it would be different. Johns was also really clueless as to how powerful and what powers Superboy had. I felt that Superboy had a good death but during his life he was under used. His superiority to Superman in certain ways was never really expressed. He could have went to Kandor and still been at full power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.252.106 ( talk) 19:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Even with Kon-El's Kryptonian powers starting to manifest themselves; Conner seems to have the same or decreased amounts of strength and invulnerablity. Superboy should be far more powerful with both tactile telekinesis and his Kryptonian powers under a yellow sun. In Teen Titans #3 Superboy is blown away and incapasitated by a hand grenade but on his second apperance in Adventures of Superman #501 he is hit by a bus filled with explosives that destroys a city block and he is barely winded. Then in Supergirl #2(written by Jeph Loeb) Supergirl dislocates Conner's jaw with one punch. But in Superboy #8 Conner takes multiple punches to the face from the vastly more powered Pre-Crisis Superboy. Although he is disoriented and in pain,his jaw and face are fine.
I was under the impression that the data on Kon-El's DNA was sent to him.
Yes, and that data was a direct Retcon of every genetic examination Superboy ever had under the "Superboy" Title by Karl Kesel or even 'Adventures of Superman' #499.
In Adventures 499, Superboy was taken to Cadmus with Superman and Guardian in tow. The directors stated Superboy was completely human.
In Superboy #0, Superboy took an unscheduled examination at STAR Labs in Hawaii via Emil Hamiltom. Emil stated, and I quote "You are completely human of course."
And of course the hundreds of examinations by Sterling Roquette.
Geoff Johns's retcon asks that everyone, from Emil Hamilton, to the original directors of Cadmus, to Sterling Roquette... are grossly inadequete as genetic scientists... compared to Tim Drake using a laptop.
Well, Cadmus had a reason to lie to him. It's a government project, and he's not cleared. What independant, competent examinations does that leave?
Until the next guy changes it (Donna Troy, what?), the retcon's current canon...And in fairness to GJ, Luthor's DC's premier criminal genius. If anybody could pull this off, and keep it under wraps, even from the rest of cadmus, it'd be him - particularly with Cadmus's director in on it. Emil Hamilton's reliability has gone pretty far south, these days, too... -AS 1/19/06
anyone got pics of the superboy memorials? - Exvicious 01:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. There seems to be a bit of a debate about Cir-El's relation to Kon-El. For the betterment of the article, a resolution must be reached. Shall we discuss? Ace Class Shadow 19:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I'll add "biological" to the entries however. Ace Class Shadow 20:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
All right, Exvicious, you've been using faulty logic in your argument against Cir-El. While I'm not a big fan of Cir-El, I am even less of a fan of poor reasoning. First, a blood transfusion is in no way the same as a genetic graft. If I were to remove half of your DNA and replace with Michael Jordan's, to the effect that you took on his physical appearance and abilities, you would share 50% of your genetic material with him (which would make you related to him genetically). A blood transfusion is a simple medical procedure which in no way affects anyone's DNA. Second, if alternate timeline children can't be considered relatives in the Super Hero Box, then we need to remove Spider-Girl from Spider-Man's family, Marvel Girl II and X-Man from Jean Grey and Cyclop's relatives, so on and so forth. And third, she was returned from the timestream by Bizarro, so she is no longer retconned out of existence. If you have any valid reasons for her removal from Superboy and Superman's relatives, I would be more than happy to consider them. Until then, I suggest we return her to their relatives section. MetaStar 01:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Exvicious 04:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
i think the current pic more benefits Tim Drake's article and Superboy's could use pics of the memorial. I know Superman has a pic of the one in Metropolis. anyone have one of Titans Tower's memorial? Exvicious 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
This article is sorely lacking in information about Superboy's teem affiliations: Superboy and the Ravers, the Legion, and Young Justice. The Superboy section is kind of a mess, and I don't really know what else to do with it. In general, this article needs a clean-up. I'm doing the best I can, but I haven't read the entire Superboy or Young Justice. Like many other comic book article, this one has a wealth of recent info and dearth of older info .Please help me. I'm so alone. -- Chris Griswold 10:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 09:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Support i think we had this discussion before. the main argument was that "no one knows the name kon-el." which i think is BS because they would never type in Superman (Kon-El) anyway. personally i think "Conner Kent" would be better, but that's just me. Exvicious 15:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
No. This article was just recently moved. Besides that, Kon-El will not be its final resting place because this wikiproject is working on its naming conventions. While no definitive policy has been created, there is no way that will be accepted as a name. The current name is more likely. Only Supernerds will type in "Kon-El" to find this entry, and Wikipedia's aim is to srve more than Supernerds.-- Chris Griswold 20:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"During a brief time when he lost his powers, he adopted a black T-shirt, jeans, red gloves and boots as his fighting uniform. He is fitted with a gauntlet that contains his Legion Flight Ring and a gold S-shield that can resize to protect him from gunfire. As well, he also had a utility belt. When he regained his powers, he went back to his original costume."
When did this happen? It would have to be during the Superboy run, but i don't remember that at all. Exvicious 08:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't remember this at all either. I know he wore gloves, but not gauntlets, and he didn't get a flight ring until recently I thought.-- Wakefencer
This version of Superboy appeared somewhere between issue 75 and 82 of Superboy. I know this because I have the issues, but my collection is too mixed up at the moment for me to easily locate them and confirm which issues in specific. (I only know the issue numbers because I keep a text file of what issues I own, and I know that the de-powered Superboy arc was in the last issues of the title I bought.) He did have a Legion Flight Ring, having met the version of the Legion that existed immediately post-Zero Hour, but the device that contained it and his resizeable shield was more of a bracer than a "gauntlet"--i.e., it covered his forearm up to the wrist, but not his hand.-- Pennyforth
Has there been any discussion over possible reasons for the death of Superboy as it applies to the lawsuit filed by the family of Jerry Siegel? If DC does not own Superboy, why publish stories featuring him? And if the character is brought back with a completely different non-infringing origin, should that be discussed? -- Mike G.
Newsarama had an article about the lawsuit, and so did Mark Evanier;
http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2006_04_06.html#011295 http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2006_04_05.html#011291 http://www.newsarama.com/general/smallville.html -- Mike G.
In the Justice League Animated Series, Season 2 episode - "Hereafter-part 1," a charcter appears behind Lois Lane and Lex Luther at Superman's Funeral, that bears a striking resemblence to Conner Kent. Is there any commentary or interviews to support this possilbe Conner appearance?
Please sign your comments. I don't beleive there are but Conner will almost definitely appear in Superman: Doomsday, the upcoming DTV. Timekeeper 14:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Should we rename that section to '... and Supernova' since it's filed away under there, or maybe just '52'-- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
In One Year Later, it says "Superboy memorial statues are erected in Metropolis next to Superman's memorial statue (although Superman already resurrected) and outside of Titans Tower." Now, chronologically, weren't the statues erected in 52, shortly after Superboy's death? -- DrBat 18:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
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According to the article, Superboy now has the usual full range of Kryptonian powers plus his original tactical telekinesis powers. Should we assume then that he is more powerful than Superman himself ? 187.34.78.198 ( talk) 11:50, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Please refrain from adding information about the characters possible appearance on Smallville until an episode actually airs. The only information out there now is from a spoiler site and no confirmation exists that the character will actually use the name Conner Kent on the show. Spanneraol ( talk) 01:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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why does everyone hate superboy's papaer cape here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.111.249.34 ( talk) 22:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
It's been recently established in Superboy #19 after the New 52 by Scott Lobdell that Superboy's human DNA now comes from Lois Lane. Shouldn't this be addressed in the article? 75.32.39.52 ( talk) 07:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
It turns out in Teen Titans Annual #3 that Conner is actually still alive, and is now the new Herald, patrolling the past, present, and future under the command of The Oracle. I'm intrigued...
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It appears the entire era of Superboy living on Hawaii is missing from the biography. The plot described in the second paragraph of section "The Metropolis Kid" reads pretty confusing and doesn't sound familiar at all to me so i can't say when in relation to his first superboy volume that happens, shouldn't there be sources in form of which comic series/issue that happens in? Either way it would belong before the Young Justice section i'd say. -- Alisio Star ( talk) 13:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
This section seems kind of short to me, would it make sense to list some of the comic runs he's been in or is it purposefully as short as this? -- Alisio Star ( talk) 13:38, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I have recently read the "Reign of the Supermen" story, where Superboy first appears. He isn't referred to as "The Metropolis Kid" in the story or on any of the covers, and the name is not used in any of the titles of individual issues. Some people in the story refer to him as "Superboy" at times, but he insists on being called "Superman". I didn't see the phrase occur once. The article doesn't cite the origin of this name. So where does it come from? Was it just made up? A google search for "metropolis kid" doesn't turn up any references to comic books where the name is used. It was first added to the article in this 2006 edit, and first used as a section title in this 2013 edit. If nobody has a citation for the name, I will probably just remove it. -- superioridad ( discusión) 03:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a reason for creating this seperate article and splitting it off from the Superboy article? Unless I missed something recently, Kon-El *is* still called "Superboy", and thus deserves to be listed on the same page (unless it's related to the length of his section...). Anthony Dean 22:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
I feel the huge retcons Geoff Johns introduced in his 'Teen Titans' series should be addressed... as Retcons. They change a great deal of the character's past, personality, behavior, and powerset, thus should be outright called a 'retcon'.
I feel that Geoff Johns' retcon about making Superboy half-human and half-Kyrptonian were genius. There was really no other way to explain how Superboy could look exactly like Superman when he was a teenager. The original story is that Superboy was genetically altered to look like Superman but that doesn't make any sence how he could look like Superman as a sixteen year-old. If he was grown to full adulthood and than they alterd his apperance it would be different. Johns was also really clueless as to how powerful and what powers Superboy had. I felt that Superboy had a good death but during his life he was under used. His superiority to Superman in certain ways was never really expressed. He could have went to Kandor and still been at full power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.102.252.106 ( talk) 19:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Even with Kon-El's Kryptonian powers starting to manifest themselves; Conner seems to have the same or decreased amounts of strength and invulnerablity. Superboy should be far more powerful with both tactile telekinesis and his Kryptonian powers under a yellow sun. In Teen Titans #3 Superboy is blown away and incapasitated by a hand grenade but on his second apperance in Adventures of Superman #501 he is hit by a bus filled with explosives that destroys a city block and he is barely winded. Then in Supergirl #2(written by Jeph Loeb) Supergirl dislocates Conner's jaw with one punch. But in Superboy #8 Conner takes multiple punches to the face from the vastly more powered Pre-Crisis Superboy. Although he is disoriented and in pain,his jaw and face are fine.
I was under the impression that the data on Kon-El's DNA was sent to him.
Yes, and that data was a direct Retcon of every genetic examination Superboy ever had under the "Superboy" Title by Karl Kesel or even 'Adventures of Superman' #499.
In Adventures 499, Superboy was taken to Cadmus with Superman and Guardian in tow. The directors stated Superboy was completely human.
In Superboy #0, Superboy took an unscheduled examination at STAR Labs in Hawaii via Emil Hamiltom. Emil stated, and I quote "You are completely human of course."
And of course the hundreds of examinations by Sterling Roquette.
Geoff Johns's retcon asks that everyone, from Emil Hamilton, to the original directors of Cadmus, to Sterling Roquette... are grossly inadequete as genetic scientists... compared to Tim Drake using a laptop.
Well, Cadmus had a reason to lie to him. It's a government project, and he's not cleared. What independant, competent examinations does that leave?
Until the next guy changes it (Donna Troy, what?), the retcon's current canon...And in fairness to GJ, Luthor's DC's premier criminal genius. If anybody could pull this off, and keep it under wraps, even from the rest of cadmus, it'd be him - particularly with Cadmus's director in on it. Emil Hamilton's reliability has gone pretty far south, these days, too... -AS 1/19/06
anyone got pics of the superboy memorials? - Exvicious 01:15, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. There seems to be a bit of a debate about Cir-El's relation to Kon-El. For the betterment of the article, a resolution must be reached. Shall we discuss? Ace Class Shadow 19:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I'll add "biological" to the entries however. Ace Class Shadow 20:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
All right, Exvicious, you've been using faulty logic in your argument against Cir-El. While I'm not a big fan of Cir-El, I am even less of a fan of poor reasoning. First, a blood transfusion is in no way the same as a genetic graft. If I were to remove half of your DNA and replace with Michael Jordan's, to the effect that you took on his physical appearance and abilities, you would share 50% of your genetic material with him (which would make you related to him genetically). A blood transfusion is a simple medical procedure which in no way affects anyone's DNA. Second, if alternate timeline children can't be considered relatives in the Super Hero Box, then we need to remove Spider-Girl from Spider-Man's family, Marvel Girl II and X-Man from Jean Grey and Cyclop's relatives, so on and so forth. And third, she was returned from the timestream by Bizarro, so she is no longer retconned out of existence. If you have any valid reasons for her removal from Superboy and Superman's relatives, I would be more than happy to consider them. Until then, I suggest we return her to their relatives section. MetaStar 01:55, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Exvicious 04:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
i think the current pic more benefits Tim Drake's article and Superboy's could use pics of the memorial. I know Superman has a pic of the one in Metropolis. anyone have one of Titans Tower's memorial? Exvicious 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
This article is sorely lacking in information about Superboy's teem affiliations: Superboy and the Ravers, the Legion, and Young Justice. The Superboy section is kind of a mess, and I don't really know what else to do with it. In general, this article needs a clean-up. I'm doing the best I can, but I haven't read the entire Superboy or Young Justice. Like many other comic book article, this one has a wealth of recent info and dearth of older info .Please help me. I'm so alone. -- Chris Griswold 10:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was don't move. — Nightst a llion (?) 09:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Support i think we had this discussion before. the main argument was that "no one knows the name kon-el." which i think is BS because they would never type in Superman (Kon-El) anyway. personally i think "Conner Kent" would be better, but that's just me. Exvicious 15:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
No. This article was just recently moved. Besides that, Kon-El will not be its final resting place because this wikiproject is working on its naming conventions. While no definitive policy has been created, there is no way that will be accepted as a name. The current name is more likely. Only Supernerds will type in "Kon-El" to find this entry, and Wikipedia's aim is to srve more than Supernerds.-- Chris Griswold 20:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"During a brief time when he lost his powers, he adopted a black T-shirt, jeans, red gloves and boots as his fighting uniform. He is fitted with a gauntlet that contains his Legion Flight Ring and a gold S-shield that can resize to protect him from gunfire. As well, he also had a utility belt. When he regained his powers, he went back to his original costume."
When did this happen? It would have to be during the Superboy run, but i don't remember that at all. Exvicious 08:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I can't remember this at all either. I know he wore gloves, but not gauntlets, and he didn't get a flight ring until recently I thought.-- Wakefencer
This version of Superboy appeared somewhere between issue 75 and 82 of Superboy. I know this because I have the issues, but my collection is too mixed up at the moment for me to easily locate them and confirm which issues in specific. (I only know the issue numbers because I keep a text file of what issues I own, and I know that the de-powered Superboy arc was in the last issues of the title I bought.) He did have a Legion Flight Ring, having met the version of the Legion that existed immediately post-Zero Hour, but the device that contained it and his resizeable shield was more of a bracer than a "gauntlet"--i.e., it covered his forearm up to the wrist, but not his hand.-- Pennyforth
Has there been any discussion over possible reasons for the death of Superboy as it applies to the lawsuit filed by the family of Jerry Siegel? If DC does not own Superboy, why publish stories featuring him? And if the character is brought back with a completely different non-infringing origin, should that be discussed? -- Mike G.
Newsarama had an article about the lawsuit, and so did Mark Evanier;
http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2006_04_06.html#011295 http://www.newsfromme.com/archives/2006_04_05.html#011291 http://www.newsarama.com/general/smallville.html -- Mike G.
In the Justice League Animated Series, Season 2 episode - "Hereafter-part 1," a charcter appears behind Lois Lane and Lex Luther at Superman's Funeral, that bears a striking resemblence to Conner Kent. Is there any commentary or interviews to support this possilbe Conner appearance?
Please sign your comments. I don't beleive there are but Conner will almost definitely appear in Superman: Doomsday, the upcoming DTV. Timekeeper 14:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Should we rename that section to '... and Supernova' since it's filed away under there, or maybe just '52'-- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 20:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
In One Year Later, it says "Superboy memorial statues are erected in Metropolis next to Superman's memorial statue (although Superman already resurrected) and outside of Titans Tower." Now, chronologically, weren't the statues erected in 52, shortly after Superboy's death? -- DrBat 18:15, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
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According to the article, Superboy now has the usual full range of Kryptonian powers plus his original tactical telekinesis powers. Should we assume then that he is more powerful than Superman himself ? 187.34.78.198 ( talk) 11:50, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Please refrain from adding information about the characters possible appearance on Smallville until an episode actually airs. The only information out there now is from a spoiler site and no confirmation exists that the character will actually use the name Conner Kent on the show. Spanneraol ( talk) 01:09, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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why does everyone hate superboy's papaer cape here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.111.249.34 ( talk) 22:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
It's been recently established in Superboy #19 after the New 52 by Scott Lobdell that Superboy's human DNA now comes from Lois Lane. Shouldn't this be addressed in the article? 75.32.39.52 ( talk) 07:18, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
It turns out in Teen Titans Annual #3 that Conner is actually still alive, and is now the new Herald, patrolling the past, present, and future under the command of The Oracle. I'm intrigued...
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It appears the entire era of Superboy living on Hawaii is missing from the biography. The plot described in the second paragraph of section "The Metropolis Kid" reads pretty confusing and doesn't sound familiar at all to me so i can't say when in relation to his first superboy volume that happens, shouldn't there be sources in form of which comic series/issue that happens in? Either way it would belong before the Young Justice section i'd say. -- Alisio Star ( talk) 13:30, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
This section seems kind of short to me, would it make sense to list some of the comic runs he's been in or is it purposefully as short as this? -- Alisio Star ( talk) 13:38, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I have recently read the "Reign of the Supermen" story, where Superboy first appears. He isn't referred to as "The Metropolis Kid" in the story or on any of the covers, and the name is not used in any of the titles of individual issues. Some people in the story refer to him as "Superboy" at times, but he insists on being called "Superman". I didn't see the phrase occur once. The article doesn't cite the origin of this name. So where does it come from? Was it just made up? A google search for "metropolis kid" doesn't turn up any references to comic books where the name is used. It was first added to the article in this 2006 edit, and first used as a section title in this 2013 edit. If nobody has a citation for the name, I will probably just remove it. -- superioridad ( discusión) 03:11, 30 July 2021 (UTC)