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As this is more a general matter for all video games, I have opened up a discussion regarding Famitsu, Kotaku, and using Famitsu's ranking in the lead section of this article. I will say right now that unless Famitsu itself has stated that it is the 7th perfect scored game to date, this statement is original research and must not stay. -- MASEM 22:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Kotaku was referencing a forum post. Unreliable to say the least. There's no proof that's how Famitsu's perfect scores work. As for including the mention in the article, now I'm unsure. Being only the seventh perfect score in the magazine's 20+ year history is a pretty big milestone, but is it worth noting on Wikipedia? If it was the first 40/40, then yes, it should be. But now I don't know. Satoryu ( talk) 05:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why should it be in the lead? There's no reason for it to be. If it's notable (I think it is,) there's a Reception section for it. In fact, it's already there, so having it in the lead is redundant. Also, the lead section is supposed to be a quick summary of the subject, having something like a review would constitute as bias in my mind. - Zero1328 Talk? 05:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
One more time, Kotaku referenced a forum post that had nothing to back up their claims. It cannot be taken as fact. Not just per Wikipedia verifiability, but in a general case. It's a conspiracy theory. Satoryu ( talk) 22:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, WTF is with people trying to withhold spoilers before the NA release? In the SSE section, I added information about Taboo and his role in the game, and it got deleted with the reasoning that "it's unnecessary." In the characters section, there's a comment asking editors to refrain from adding any more examples -- and all examples listed there are from the starting lineup. The screenshot is of the starting lineup, not with all 35 characters unlocked. Last I checked, Wikipedia's policy is to refrain from withholding information, especially for products that have already been released. This is completely ridiculous. Wikipedian06 ( talk) 21:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it might be time to archive the page because it has 37 sections (38 counting this one). I'd do it myself, but I don't know how. Epass ( talk) 22:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I know right now we should not put the full plot in the article becuase most plots across the internet are choppy and/or incomplete, but when we do know the full plot how should we handle it? I am personally for just a lv 4 "plot overveiw" section under the SSE sub-section. I do not think that the SSE should have it's own article becuase the plot really does not need to be that detailed. Also if there were a article it would swarmed with fancruft like enemy lists, stratagies and other spectulation.→ 041744 13:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, we'll see. Time will tell. When HAL first released the Smash Bros. for N64, no one thought it would be a bestseller. Now look! Braw just solde 500,000 and 80% initial stock sell-through on its first day! Video games are unpredictable.-- haha169 ( talk) 01:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Now that reviews are coming in, due to the manner of many previous games with high profile pre-release, when reviews do come out, please do refrain from just a string of scores (those would be in the table, and not everyone of course, the notable ones like IGN, GameSpot, ONM etc) and comments like "best game". We need to mention WHAT the reviewers liked and disliked. I know that this article has been editted a large amount from day 1, most likley by hardcore Nintendo fans. Well my message to those people in particular is of course INCLUDED VALID CRITISISM! Unless this game unlikely gets a 100% from all reviews, you MUST include cons, I can't stress that enough. Granted, if the game has mostly pros then it would be larger to mention than the cons, like other popular near perfect reviewed games. Stabby Joe ( talk) 15:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
An active discussion was accidentally archived during the most recent archival of the page. A portion of the discussion, plus new content, is shown below. The full discussion can be found here. - oobug talk/ contrib 18:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
<unindent> On PT profile they list his moves as Pokemon Trainers moves, with Squirtle, Ivasuar and Charazard beanth him, meaning they reconize him as a single character. In additioon to that he also has one final snash while Zelda/sheik have 2 similar but seprate FS, and Samuas/ZSS has two diffrent and seprate FS. And your point that Dojo!! clearly states he is 3 characters is unfounded POV. please don't use "I guess you could say using this character is like playing three for the price of one!" as evidnece either way becuase it is unclear how he ment it. Alright if may be illogical how about we come to a compromise how about we state this in the article:
I think that would satify everyone.? 041744 12:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
In that case, should we add an HTML comment in the Characters section mentioning that we reached a consensus not to add the number of playable characters, for future reference? Or, make note of it in a consensus template at the top of the talk page? Or is that just overkill? I'd hate to see future users having the exact same discussion again. oobug talk/ contrib 16:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
title says it. 203.218.206.108 ( talk) 13:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The Coin Launcher is a machine that uses coins as projectiles to shoot trophies and counter incoming dangers such as missiles and mines. Hope I helped! Epass ( talk) 17:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well,found the full Japanese roster pic,extremely clear in .png format.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/XLS723/Roster2.png
I know you guys probably won't want to use it since it's Japanese,but whatever. XLS724 ( talk) 21:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Alright,I figured as much... XLS724 ( talk) 04:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
There is also the issue of Japanese names. - 71.59.237.110 ( talk) 18:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Has a full list of voice actors for the American version been released, and if so, should it be on this page? Atomic Religione ( talk) 03:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
[1] Need this be mentioned? Smashbrosboy (talk)
When has the dojo recognized it? Smashbrosboy (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.el33tonline.com/main/show_news/3730
Should there be any indication of that? In short, it says that the previous Nintendo record-holder for best-selling first week game was Ocarina of Time, with 386, 234 copies sold in its first week. Brawl just sold 820,000 on its first week, a 433,766 difference. Now that's a big thing, and I think it should be placed somewhere in Reception. -- haha169 ( talk) 05:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Or we could simply round the OOT number and give an estimate. No one is really going to want to know that Brawl sold 819,648 copies or something, and saying that OOT sold 386,000 copies would be fine, i thin 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 18:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Japanese. Luckily I know a little. 158万6360本 means 158 thousand copies. I don't understand what the second part of numbers mean but 本 means units (or copies). Once again, a reference please. -- haha169 ( talk) 23:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay...I'll just accept that now. I'm needed elsewhere, but I'll translate that later to see what it means. In the meantime, this discussion IS NOT TO BE ARCHIVED. -- haha169 ( talk) 23:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Australian release was announced 24th of February it will be released June 12th(User talk:215.532.35.32{talk} 7:05, 24th February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.33.216 ( talk) 06:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does the Brawl cover image look all chunky and weird? When I first started working on this article, it looks fine. What happened to it? It looks even worse than the Golden Sun Wikia's image. http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Brawl -- haha169 ( talk) 22:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Please forgive my ignorance, but can this game be played online via wii browser? If so, shouldn't this be metioned in the article? RC-0722 communicator/ kills 19:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
A few days ago there was a discussion on data for certain chars that was in Brawl's hardware. Somewhere in the discussion the Game Developers Conference, which takes place this year from Feb 18-22 (this week), and that Sakurai would be giving a speech on the inclusion and exclusion of certain chars there. I know it's only two days into the event, but does anyone know if Sakurai has yet made any such speech? 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 17:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Not yet... SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 20:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I actually just saw that before reading this, and I thought that answered my question until I read it because I heard he was supposed to be giving some sort of speech on Brawl. I guess I got my hopes up. 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 18:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Sakurai has a speech today sometime, I don't know when. 74.244.28.20 ( talk) 12:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There might be information that the article can use, especially the "Inclusion of characters" section via Liveblog @ GDC. « ₣M₣ » 23:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
According to this German site, Nintendo of Europe announced the European release date of Brawl at the "Micromania Games Awards" in France. Does anyone have more information about this, or could someone who's good in French have a look at the Micromania site to find some more information (And hopefully, usable references)? -- Conti| ✉ 15:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
There's more info here: [2] and here: [3]. And "6 juni in europa" definately sounds like 6th of June in Europe. M4192 ( talk) 07:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
According to GoNintendo, Reggie said Europe is getting this sometime in Fall. [4] M4192 ( talk) 10:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually he just said that it has been pushed out of the Winter/Spring time frame. [5]. LOL, I'm argueing with myself. M4192 ( talk) 10:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
A European release date appears on the article, but a quick plug in to Google News finds no other sources confirming the supposed release date. In fact, Nintendo UK denies these rumours. [6]
Therefore, I shall remove this date from the main article until proven otherwise, is that site completely reliable or are there many other sources that are reliable about this June 6? Hoogiman ( talk) 11:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Agree, and the French page has already changed their date back to the old version. Apparently, the source was challenged there as well, and people were trying to find videos of NoE announcing the date (they won't find any). Coreycubed ( talk) 13:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I found a video here, which seems to be the announcement. Can anyone translate that? -- Conti| ✉ 21:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather not fail this article, so I'm going to ask that someone remove the article from the Good Nominations Queue- I just can't see how I could pass an article which fails comprehensiveness since it hasn't met with major release. David Fuchs ( talk) 23:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Judge, did you nominate it? I think the majority of regular editors around here wanted to wait on that...we've been working on the article for months and still don't find it ready for GA nom. Coreycubed ( talk) 18:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The major problem with this article is that it rarely stays the same, and with the NA release date approaching, this article is going to become volatile once more, similar to how it did when the daily updates first began. It would be much better to wait a while after the release date so this article calms down a bit. 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 17:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Since the source is in Japanese (and is the profile for Ness, so I don't see how its relevent), there is a claim that Lucas was supposed to be in SSBM until Mother 3 was delayed. I doubt this since Nintendo did not even announce the game until June 2003, nearly 2 years after SSBM's Japanese launch (September 2001). I know companies sometimes start work on a game before announcing it, but I doubt that Nintendo was working on the game over 2 years before they announced it. TJ Spyke 06:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
For the ratings section of the chart, is says
Cero: A ESRB: T
and then references following it. Those reference marks look ugly, and I don't really think they are needed anymore, since the game itself is a reference. -- haha169 ( talk) 04:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
So, I'll delete the reference for the T for now. Actually, I'm going to wait for someone more familiar with the article, since the refname at the beginning indicates that the reference is being used elsewhere in the article. --
haha169 (
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05:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Under the "External Links" it says to not post any without discussion, so I'm bringing it to your attention. GameInvasion has 47 High Definition trailers and movies that I think would be acceptable to post to for the fans of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I really wouldn't bring it up if there weren't so many and being Hi-Def. Please let me know if I can post the link to these videos (publisher approved of course if GameInvasion has them) under External Links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the link to check out all the stuff (which is also the one I'll be using) http://gameinvasion.comcast.net/gameinvasion/show/#1330596_smash_bros_brawl/profile —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, thank you for getting back to me. If you are using this wiki as a simple informational tool, then I can see why you wouldn't want a link to any videos. I do however think videos (trailers, dev. interviews, etc) are a legitimate concern and fans of the series should be able to view something other than screenshots to help promote the product. Being a fan of this series, if I can be of assistance in this area, please let me know and I will be available to help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 15:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, but if you don't have ANY of the places that have videos up, then you are neglecting a percentage of people who want to see the trailers, interview and gameplay videos. I'm not saying put the one up from GameInvasion, but at least put one of the sites up. There are 3-5 really good sites. I'll even post it for you, just pick one. I'm actually suprised the SSBB website actually doesn't have anything but screenshots tbh. But hey, do what you want. Only trying to make this wiki better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I just had an idea. Since Brawlcentral is no longer a site providing speculation, but now a site that holds facts, and in the case of the trophies section, high quality pictures. How about it? -- haha169 ( talk) 00:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Although it is indeed a fansite, I don't really think it can be the stereotypical one. It has information and compiled lists and facts not available elsewhere, using high-quality pictures to prove its authenticity. I don't really think Brawlcentral breaks any rules, and should be able to wiggle itself onto External Links sooner or later.
Anyways, the Golden Sun article, which is also a Featured Article, uses the Golden Sun wikia as an external link. And I might say that the Golden Sun wikia is in much worse shape than the Smash wikia. I've also done an extensive search, and there doesn't seem to be much false information on it (though there are huge amounts of poorly written articles). -- haha169 ( talk) 05:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Here is the full list of studios who co-developed the game. Apart from Game Arts and Sora, there are Monolith Soft, ROBOT, etc.: [10] Diipu Surotu ( talk) 16:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
9.3. http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183358-- 24.109.218.172 ( talk) 23:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Question: Should we have a full article for the Subspace Emissary? If not, the section needs to be more extensive on the plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.85.70 ( talk) 22:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I personally think wii (Bad pun...) should. It would help people who'd like to know more about the game. I mean, c'mon, wii go FULL fledged for the story-line of other games, why not this game? Hm? Are you all just TOO DANG LAZY?! SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The way the story is presented in SSE makes it very difficult to formulate an actual plot without OR. 98% of the mode is mimed; the only person I recall even saying anything was Snake, and that was just a one liner. So most of the questions you have, Comandante, aren't even answered in the game itself. Satoryu ( talk) 23:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
As did i. But i do believe that we should improve it a bit. Perhaps when it's out in the US? I think we should tell others like who's on what side, who the MAIN antagonists are,etc. That's all i ask. Maybe some other important stuff. I'd do it myself but, i'm trying not to spoil too much of the game... SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 03:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, bassically EVERY game has a good description of the story for the games. You're all just being to critical, and too lazy to type something that's important! SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 03:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll do it once i get SSBB, and beat it! I'm trying to resist spoilers right now... SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 22:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The game is confirmed to use the Havoks engine.
Here is the proof, watch this video in which at 4:24 during the official credits of the game you see that the game uses havok.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tcIe8bfX7Yo&feature=related
I know it is youtube, but it is the official credits of the game.
Ok, but it is notable, since it affects the entire gameplay of the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiimonkey9 ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you guys add a link to SmashWiki? It merged with Wikia's SSB wiki, so there's no longer 2 SSB wikis. Please and thanks.
Here's the code:
Thanks.-- Roady161616 ( talk) 03:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't the extremely large amount of music merit some sort of mention in the article? It seems fairly landmark for a videogame to have around 300 songs. Dfsghjkgfhdg ( talk) 05:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Really? That's a lot of songs for a video game. As above, I think a brief mention would be good to include. Erik ( talk) 17:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Fine, I'll just simply say that there are at least 50 franchises represented, so that MUST be notable in some way. -- haha169 ( talk) 20:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Is this article going to be full-protection on March 9th? I know Brawl has already been released in Japan and all that, but this is the English Wikipedia and this is the English release, so I'm guessing there will be a ton of vandalism in the first week of release. Any thoughts? Epass ( talk) 18:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll be at Chinese School taking a huge final exam, and before that, a huge CMEA Piano and Musical Theory Examination. Then, I get to play the game. I won't be on wikipedia at all that weekend. -- haha169 ( talk) 19:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
So if it gets too bad on the 9th we'll simply get it semi-protected. Otherwise, I'd say it's fine. Laptopdude Talk 01:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as the game is about to be released, and this talk page is already very long, I think it would be a good idea to archive it. However, I'm not sure up to what section to include. Suggestions? Laptopdude Talk 20:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, there isn't much active discussion right now. We should wait until March 8th, and then archive. We'll then be ready with a blank page for questions. -- haha169 ( talk) 00:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure, go and archive the entire page on the second half of March 8th. Remember to leave an edit summary and a notice on the top of the newly blanked talk page. -- haha169 ( talk) 04:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Today on the Dojo!! Sakurai mentioned All-Star Mode while explaining the Heart Container Item:
Can this mode be added to Solo now? -- Mayor Coffee Bean ( talk) 13:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
A few weeks after the game is released, can it be nominated for GA? I think that it is a better article than Melee, and Melee's nominated for FA! Opinions? Epass ( talk) 16:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the gameplay section does seem a little long, though I doubt reviewers would want to cut a third of it. More like a fourth. And I would also nominate for GA first.-- haha169 ( talk) 23:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for any formatting problems, first time posting on a talk page. Two concerns on this one:
A) Seems to be a lot of "etc, etc, etc" fill in text and more "etc, etc, etc". Very broken up and reads funny for an encyclopedia.
B) The reference regarding graphics in the IGN review is misleading. The graphics portion of the review was actually positive, while the Wikipedia mention of that is toned negative. Original text from IGN review: "Brawl looks like an enhanced version of Melee....... and that the title features some of the most beautiful particle explosions in any Nintendo entry yet. "
If another neg mention needs to be pulled from IGN there are actual ones they detailed. Thanks for consideration. Dark Phoenix ( talk) 02:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Did anyone see this? [11] It's (apparently) the English credits for Brawl. Of course, we can't use a YouTube link as a reference, nor is the link a good one as whoever was tapping the credits was constantly moving the camera around (therefore making the screen blurry and cutting out a small portion of the VA list). However, I did make out a good portion of the voice actors.
They were: Charles Martinet, Samantha Kelly, Eric Newsome, Jason Adkins, Lani Minella, Michelle Knotz, Makiko Ōmoto, Jim Walker, Alesia Glidewell, Craig Blair, Bill Rogers, David Hayter, Adam Caroleson, Rachael Lillis, Hikaru Midorikawa, Akira Sasanuma, Sachi Matsumoto, Hironori Miyata, Sanae Kobayashi, Jun Mizusawa, Ikue Ōtani, Paul Eiding, Kim Mai Guest, Christopher Randolph, Akio Ohtsuka, Mike McAuliffe, Aya Hara, Billy Beach, and Jamie Peacock.
While this isn't exactly concrete evidence, this does show that some articles (or character pages) might need to be updated. ChromeWulf ZX ( talk) 21:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yes. I missed that. Sorry. :P -- haha169 ( talk) 22:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
This doesn't really matter to this article, though. We shouldn't include a voice actor list, especially since the game has very little voice acting in it. Satoryu ( talk) 23:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
As you can see by taking a quick look into the History section, we've already seen an influx of vandalism recently. There was one vandal yesterday, (up from one), and two today. Does this not seem like a trend as the release date becomes closer? -- haha169 ( talk) 22:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know. That recent vandalism on this talk page made me re-write that comment above me over again, because there was an edit conflict. Then, due to wikipedia trying to save the HUGE amount of information the vandal put here, plus the guy trying to revert it, plus me with an edit conflict, my computer froze for a whole 5 minutes, which never happens. Who goes and copies over the article to the talk page, then adds a bunch of nonsense? -- haha169 ( talk) 00:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
There we go, and attempt to blank the talk page, plus the addition of this word into the article. Semi-protection!-- haha169 ( talk) 00:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
You can do that? I never bothered with vandalism. I knew there was a place to do it...thanks, anyways. And it actually is quite a bit since there hasn't been any vandalism at all on this article until yesterday. -- haha169 ( talk) 02:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Usually, when there is an edit conflict, my computer already saved it and I can go back and re-save it. But that time (read above), my computer froze...so everything lost. What kind of yr. 2002 computer can handle someone copy/pasting the entire Brawl article to this talk page, while removing this entire talk page, and some one reverting it, all in one second? It was really interesting, though.-- haha169 ( talk) 23:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
How are these supposed to be ordered? Should it be with Gamerankings first because it was the first to compile, or Metacritic because it was the most recently updated? Or should it go alphabetically? I believe it would be GR before MC, but I don't know for sure. Satoryu ( talk) 01:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
A Spectator mode allows players to watch matches from players who have enabled the 'Allow Spectators' option, and bet on the outcome using coins earned within the game. The winner receives a jackpot of coins.[38]
This is a little confusing. Is it the winner of the match that receives the jackpot, or the winner of the bet? Dansiman ( talk| Contribs) 17:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
i believe teh gamestop torny should be added to this
gamestop.com/brawl —Preceding unsigned comment added by GamerSam ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
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As this is more a general matter for all video games, I have opened up a discussion regarding Famitsu, Kotaku, and using Famitsu's ranking in the lead section of this article. I will say right now that unless Famitsu itself has stated that it is the 7th perfect scored game to date, this statement is original research and must not stay. -- MASEM 22:30, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Kotaku was referencing a forum post. Unreliable to say the least. There's no proof that's how Famitsu's perfect scores work. As for including the mention in the article, now I'm unsure. Being only the seventh perfect score in the magazine's 20+ year history is a pretty big milestone, but is it worth noting on Wikipedia? If it was the first 40/40, then yes, it should be. But now I don't know. Satoryu ( talk) 05:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Why should it be in the lead? There's no reason for it to be. If it's notable (I think it is,) there's a Reception section for it. In fact, it's already there, so having it in the lead is redundant. Also, the lead section is supposed to be a quick summary of the subject, having something like a review would constitute as bias in my mind. - Zero1328 Talk? 05:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
One more time, Kotaku referenced a forum post that had nothing to back up their claims. It cannot be taken as fact. Not just per Wikipedia verifiability, but in a general case. It's a conspiracy theory. Satoryu ( talk) 22:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, WTF is with people trying to withhold spoilers before the NA release? In the SSE section, I added information about Taboo and his role in the game, and it got deleted with the reasoning that "it's unnecessary." In the characters section, there's a comment asking editors to refrain from adding any more examples -- and all examples listed there are from the starting lineup. The screenshot is of the starting lineup, not with all 35 characters unlocked. Last I checked, Wikipedia's policy is to refrain from withholding information, especially for products that have already been released. This is completely ridiculous. Wikipedian06 ( talk) 21:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it might be time to archive the page because it has 37 sections (38 counting this one). I'd do it myself, but I don't know how. Epass ( talk) 22:37, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
I know right now we should not put the full plot in the article becuase most plots across the internet are choppy and/or incomplete, but when we do know the full plot how should we handle it? I am personally for just a lv 4 "plot overveiw" section under the SSE sub-section. I do not think that the SSE should have it's own article becuase the plot really does not need to be that detailed. Also if there were a article it would swarmed with fancruft like enemy lists, stratagies and other spectulation.→ 041744 13:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, we'll see. Time will tell. When HAL first released the Smash Bros. for N64, no one thought it would be a bestseller. Now look! Braw just solde 500,000 and 80% initial stock sell-through on its first day! Video games are unpredictable.-- haha169 ( talk) 01:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Now that reviews are coming in, due to the manner of many previous games with high profile pre-release, when reviews do come out, please do refrain from just a string of scores (those would be in the table, and not everyone of course, the notable ones like IGN, GameSpot, ONM etc) and comments like "best game". We need to mention WHAT the reviewers liked and disliked. I know that this article has been editted a large amount from day 1, most likley by hardcore Nintendo fans. Well my message to those people in particular is of course INCLUDED VALID CRITISISM! Unless this game unlikely gets a 100% from all reviews, you MUST include cons, I can't stress that enough. Granted, if the game has mostly pros then it would be larger to mention than the cons, like other popular near perfect reviewed games. Stabby Joe ( talk) 15:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
An active discussion was accidentally archived during the most recent archival of the page. A portion of the discussion, plus new content, is shown below. The full discussion can be found here. - oobug talk/ contrib 18:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
<unindent> On PT profile they list his moves as Pokemon Trainers moves, with Squirtle, Ivasuar and Charazard beanth him, meaning they reconize him as a single character. In additioon to that he also has one final snash while Zelda/sheik have 2 similar but seprate FS, and Samuas/ZSS has two diffrent and seprate FS. And your point that Dojo!! clearly states he is 3 characters is unfounded POV. please don't use "I guess you could say using this character is like playing three for the price of one!" as evidnece either way becuase it is unclear how he ment it. Alright if may be illogical how about we come to a compromise how about we state this in the article:
I think that would satify everyone.? 041744 12:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
In that case, should we add an HTML comment in the Characters section mentioning that we reached a consensus not to add the number of playable characters, for future reference? Or, make note of it in a consensus template at the top of the talk page? Or is that just overkill? I'd hate to see future users having the exact same discussion again. oobug talk/ contrib 16:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
title says it. 203.218.206.108 ( talk) 13:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
The Coin Launcher is a machine that uses coins as projectiles to shoot trophies and counter incoming dangers such as missiles and mines. Hope I helped! Epass ( talk) 17:19, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well,found the full Japanese roster pic,extremely clear in .png format.
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/XLS723/Roster2.png
I know you guys probably won't want to use it since it's Japanese,but whatever. XLS724 ( talk) 21:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Alright,I figured as much... XLS724 ( talk) 04:39, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
There is also the issue of Japanese names. - 71.59.237.110 ( talk) 18:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Has a full list of voice actors for the American version been released, and if so, should it be on this page? Atomic Religione ( talk) 03:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
[1] Need this be mentioned? Smashbrosboy (talk)
When has the dojo recognized it? Smashbrosboy (talk) 04:00, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
http://www.el33tonline.com/main/show_news/3730
Should there be any indication of that? In short, it says that the previous Nintendo record-holder for best-selling first week game was Ocarina of Time, with 386, 234 copies sold in its first week. Brawl just sold 820,000 on its first week, a 433,766 difference. Now that's a big thing, and I think it should be placed somewhere in Reception. -- haha169 ( talk) 05:56, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Or we could simply round the OOT number and give an estimate. No one is really going to want to know that Brawl sold 819,648 copies or something, and saying that OOT sold 386,000 copies would be fine, i thin 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 18:08, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Japanese. Luckily I know a little. 158万6360本 means 158 thousand copies. I don't understand what the second part of numbers mean but 本 means units (or copies). Once again, a reference please. -- haha169 ( talk) 23:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Okay...I'll just accept that now. I'm needed elsewhere, but I'll translate that later to see what it means. In the meantime, this discussion IS NOT TO BE ARCHIVED. -- haha169 ( talk) 23:53, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Australian release was announced 24th of February it will be released June 12th(User talk:215.532.35.32{talk} 7:05, 24th February 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.216.33.216 ( talk) 06:43, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me, or does the Brawl cover image look all chunky and weird? When I first started working on this article, it looks fine. What happened to it? It looks even worse than the Golden Sun Wikia's image. http://goldensun.wikia.com/wiki/Brawl -- haha169 ( talk) 22:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Please forgive my ignorance, but can this game be played online via wii browser? If so, shouldn't this be metioned in the article? RC-0722 communicator/ kills 19:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
A few days ago there was a discussion on data for certain chars that was in Brawl's hardware. Somewhere in the discussion the Game Developers Conference, which takes place this year from Feb 18-22 (this week), and that Sakurai would be giving a speech on the inclusion and exclusion of certain chars there. I know it's only two days into the event, but does anyone know if Sakurai has yet made any such speech? 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 17:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Not yet... SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 20:10, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I actually just saw that before reading this, and I thought that answered my question until I read it because I heard he was supposed to be giving some sort of speech on Brawl. I guess I got my hopes up. 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 18:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
Sakurai has a speech today sometime, I don't know when. 74.244.28.20 ( talk) 12:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
There might be information that the article can use, especially the "Inclusion of characters" section via Liveblog @ GDC. « ₣M₣ » 23:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
According to this German site, Nintendo of Europe announced the European release date of Brawl at the "Micromania Games Awards" in France. Does anyone have more information about this, or could someone who's good in French have a look at the Micromania site to find some more information (And hopefully, usable references)? -- Conti| ✉ 15:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
There's more info here: [2] and here: [3]. And "6 juni in europa" definately sounds like 6th of June in Europe. M4192 ( talk) 07:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
According to GoNintendo, Reggie said Europe is getting this sometime in Fall. [4] M4192 ( talk) 10:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually he just said that it has been pushed out of the Winter/Spring time frame. [5]. LOL, I'm argueing with myself. M4192 ( talk) 10:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
A European release date appears on the article, but a quick plug in to Google News finds no other sources confirming the supposed release date. In fact, Nintendo UK denies these rumours. [6]
Therefore, I shall remove this date from the main article until proven otherwise, is that site completely reliable or are there many other sources that are reliable about this June 6? Hoogiman ( talk) 11:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Agree, and the French page has already changed their date back to the old version. Apparently, the source was challenged there as well, and people were trying to find videos of NoE announcing the date (they won't find any). Coreycubed ( talk) 13:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I found a video here, which seems to be the announcement. Can anyone translate that? -- Conti| ✉ 21:47, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather not fail this article, so I'm going to ask that someone remove the article from the Good Nominations Queue- I just can't see how I could pass an article which fails comprehensiveness since it hasn't met with major release. David Fuchs ( talk) 23:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Judge, did you nominate it? I think the majority of regular editors around here wanted to wait on that...we've been working on the article for months and still don't find it ready for GA nom. Coreycubed ( talk) 18:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
The major problem with this article is that it rarely stays the same, and with the NA release date approaching, this article is going to become volatile once more, similar to how it did when the daily updates first began. It would be much better to wait a while after the release date so this article calms down a bit. 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 17:19, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Since the source is in Japanese (and is the profile for Ness, so I don't see how its relevent), there is a claim that Lucas was supposed to be in SSBM until Mother 3 was delayed. I doubt this since Nintendo did not even announce the game until June 2003, nearly 2 years after SSBM's Japanese launch (September 2001). I know companies sometimes start work on a game before announcing it, but I doubt that Nintendo was working on the game over 2 years before they announced it. TJ Spyke 06:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
For the ratings section of the chart, is says
Cero: A ESRB: T
and then references following it. Those reference marks look ugly, and I don't really think they are needed anymore, since the game itself is a reference. -- haha169 ( talk) 04:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
So, I'll delete the reference for the T for now. Actually, I'm going to wait for someone more familiar with the article, since the refname at the beginning indicates that the reference is being used elsewhere in the article. --
haha169 (
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05:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Under the "External Links" it says to not post any without discussion, so I'm bringing it to your attention. GameInvasion has 47 High Definition trailers and movies that I think would be acceptable to post to for the fans of Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I really wouldn't bring it up if there weren't so many and being Hi-Def. Please let me know if I can post the link to these videos (publisher approved of course if GameInvasion has them) under External Links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the link to check out all the stuff (which is also the one I'll be using) http://gameinvasion.comcast.net/gameinvasion/show/#1330596_smash_bros_brawl/profile —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 21:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, thank you for getting back to me. If you are using this wiki as a simple informational tool, then I can see why you wouldn't want a link to any videos. I do however think videos (trailers, dev. interviews, etc) are a legitimate concern and fans of the series should be able to view something other than screenshots to help promote the product. Being a fan of this series, if I can be of assistance in this area, please let me know and I will be available to help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 15:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Agreed, but if you don't have ANY of the places that have videos up, then you are neglecting a percentage of people who want to see the trailers, interview and gameplay videos. I'm not saying put the one up from GameInvasion, but at least put one of the sites up. There are 3-5 really good sites. I'll even post it for you, just pick one. I'm actually suprised the SSBB website actually doesn't have anything but screenshots tbh. But hey, do what you want. Only trying to make this wiki better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JPalumbo ( talk • contribs) 17:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I just had an idea. Since Brawlcentral is no longer a site providing speculation, but now a site that holds facts, and in the case of the trophies section, high quality pictures. How about it? -- haha169 ( talk) 00:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Although it is indeed a fansite, I don't really think it can be the stereotypical one. It has information and compiled lists and facts not available elsewhere, using high-quality pictures to prove its authenticity. I don't really think Brawlcentral breaks any rules, and should be able to wiggle itself onto External Links sooner or later.
Anyways, the Golden Sun article, which is also a Featured Article, uses the Golden Sun wikia as an external link. And I might say that the Golden Sun wikia is in much worse shape than the Smash wikia. I've also done an extensive search, and there doesn't seem to be much false information on it (though there are huge amounts of poorly written articles). -- haha169 ( talk) 05:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Here is the full list of studios who co-developed the game. Apart from Game Arts and Sora, there are Monolith Soft, ROBOT, etc.: [10] Diipu Surotu ( talk) 16:32, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
9.3. http://computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=183358-- 24.109.218.172 ( talk) 23:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
Question: Should we have a full article for the Subspace Emissary? If not, the section needs to be more extensive on the plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.85.70 ( talk) 22:01, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I personally think wii (Bad pun...) should. It would help people who'd like to know more about the game. I mean, c'mon, wii go FULL fledged for the story-line of other games, why not this game? Hm? Are you all just TOO DANG LAZY?! SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 22:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
The way the story is presented in SSE makes it very difficult to formulate an actual plot without OR. 98% of the mode is mimed; the only person I recall even saying anything was Snake, and that was just a one liner. So most of the questions you have, Comandante, aren't even answered in the game itself. Satoryu ( talk) 23:30, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
As did i. But i do believe that we should improve it a bit. Perhaps when it's out in the US? I think we should tell others like who's on what side, who the MAIN antagonists are,etc. That's all i ask. Maybe some other important stuff. I'd do it myself but, i'm trying not to spoil too much of the game... SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 03:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, bassically EVERY game has a good description of the story for the games. You're all just being to critical, and too lazy to type something that's important! SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 03:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll do it once i get SSBB, and beat it! I'm trying to resist spoilers right now... SLJCOAAATR 1 ( talk) 22:12, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The game is confirmed to use the Havoks engine.
Here is the proof, watch this video in which at 4:24 during the official credits of the game you see that the game uses havok.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tcIe8bfX7Yo&feature=related
I know it is youtube, but it is the official credits of the game.
Ok, but it is notable, since it affects the entire gameplay of the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiimonkey9 ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you guys add a link to SmashWiki? It merged with Wikia's SSB wiki, so there's no longer 2 SSB wikis. Please and thanks.
Here's the code:
Thanks.-- Roady161616 ( talk) 03:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't the extremely large amount of music merit some sort of mention in the article? It seems fairly landmark for a videogame to have around 300 songs. Dfsghjkgfhdg ( talk) 05:10, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Really? That's a lot of songs for a video game. As above, I think a brief mention would be good to include. Erik ( talk) 17:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay. Fine, I'll just simply say that there are at least 50 franchises represented, so that MUST be notable in some way. -- haha169 ( talk) 20:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Is this article going to be full-protection on March 9th? I know Brawl has already been released in Japan and all that, but this is the English Wikipedia and this is the English release, so I'm guessing there will be a ton of vandalism in the first week of release. Any thoughts? Epass ( talk) 18:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
I'll be at Chinese School taking a huge final exam, and before that, a huge CMEA Piano and Musical Theory Examination. Then, I get to play the game. I won't be on wikipedia at all that weekend. -- haha169 ( talk) 19:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
So if it gets too bad on the 9th we'll simply get it semi-protected. Otherwise, I'd say it's fine. Laptopdude Talk 01:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Seeing as the game is about to be released, and this talk page is already very long, I think it would be a good idea to archive it. However, I'm not sure up to what section to include. Suggestions? Laptopdude Talk 20:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Actually, there isn't much active discussion right now. We should wait until March 8th, and then archive. We'll then be ready with a blank page for questions. -- haha169 ( talk) 00:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Sure, go and archive the entire page on the second half of March 8th. Remember to leave an edit summary and a notice on the top of the newly blanked talk page. -- haha169 ( talk) 04:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Today on the Dojo!! Sakurai mentioned All-Star Mode while explaining the Heart Container Item:
Can this mode be added to Solo now? -- Mayor Coffee Bean ( talk) 13:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
A few weeks after the game is released, can it be nominated for GA? I think that it is a better article than Melee, and Melee's nominated for FA! Opinions? Epass ( talk) 16:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the gameplay section does seem a little long, though I doubt reviewers would want to cut a third of it. More like a fourth. And I would also nominate for GA first.-- haha169 ( talk) 23:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry for any formatting problems, first time posting on a talk page. Two concerns on this one:
A) Seems to be a lot of "etc, etc, etc" fill in text and more "etc, etc, etc". Very broken up and reads funny for an encyclopedia.
B) The reference regarding graphics in the IGN review is misleading. The graphics portion of the review was actually positive, while the Wikipedia mention of that is toned negative. Original text from IGN review: "Brawl looks like an enhanced version of Melee....... and that the title features some of the most beautiful particle explosions in any Nintendo entry yet. "
If another neg mention needs to be pulled from IGN there are actual ones they detailed. Thanks for consideration. Dark Phoenix ( talk) 02:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Did anyone see this? [11] It's (apparently) the English credits for Brawl. Of course, we can't use a YouTube link as a reference, nor is the link a good one as whoever was tapping the credits was constantly moving the camera around (therefore making the screen blurry and cutting out a small portion of the VA list). However, I did make out a good portion of the voice actors.
They were: Charles Martinet, Samantha Kelly, Eric Newsome, Jason Adkins, Lani Minella, Michelle Knotz, Makiko Ōmoto, Jim Walker, Alesia Glidewell, Craig Blair, Bill Rogers, David Hayter, Adam Caroleson, Rachael Lillis, Hikaru Midorikawa, Akira Sasanuma, Sachi Matsumoto, Hironori Miyata, Sanae Kobayashi, Jun Mizusawa, Ikue Ōtani, Paul Eiding, Kim Mai Guest, Christopher Randolph, Akio Ohtsuka, Mike McAuliffe, Aya Hara, Billy Beach, and Jamie Peacock.
While this isn't exactly concrete evidence, this does show that some articles (or character pages) might need to be updated. ChromeWulf ZX ( talk) 21:38, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh, yes. I missed that. Sorry. :P -- haha169 ( talk) 22:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
This doesn't really matter to this article, though. We shouldn't include a voice actor list, especially since the game has very little voice acting in it. Satoryu ( talk) 23:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
As you can see by taking a quick look into the History section, we've already seen an influx of vandalism recently. There was one vandal yesterday, (up from one), and two today. Does this not seem like a trend as the release date becomes closer? -- haha169 ( talk) 22:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't know. That recent vandalism on this talk page made me re-write that comment above me over again, because there was an edit conflict. Then, due to wikipedia trying to save the HUGE amount of information the vandal put here, plus the guy trying to revert it, plus me with an edit conflict, my computer froze for a whole 5 minutes, which never happens. Who goes and copies over the article to the talk page, then adds a bunch of nonsense? -- haha169 ( talk) 00:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
There we go, and attempt to blank the talk page, plus the addition of this word into the article. Semi-protection!-- haha169 ( talk) 00:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
You can do that? I never bothered with vandalism. I knew there was a place to do it...thanks, anyways. And it actually is quite a bit since there hasn't been any vandalism at all on this article until yesterday. -- haha169 ( talk) 02:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Usually, when there is an edit conflict, my computer already saved it and I can go back and re-save it. But that time (read above), my computer froze...so everything lost. What kind of yr. 2002 computer can handle someone copy/pasting the entire Brawl article to this talk page, while removing this entire talk page, and some one reverting it, all in one second? It was really interesting, though.-- haha169 ( talk) 23:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
How are these supposed to be ordered? Should it be with Gamerankings first because it was the first to compile, or Metacritic because it was the most recently updated? Or should it go alphabetically? I believe it would be GR before MC, but I don't know for sure. Satoryu ( talk) 01:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
A Spectator mode allows players to watch matches from players who have enabled the 'Allow Spectators' option, and bet on the outcome using coins earned within the game. The winner receives a jackpot of coins.[38]
This is a little confusing. Is it the winner of the match that receives the jackpot, or the winner of the bet? Dansiman ( talk| Contribs) 17:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
i believe teh gamestop torny should be added to this
gamestop.com/brawl —Preceding unsigned comment added by GamerSam ( talk • contribs) 04:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
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