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Page is getting a little unwieldy and not about to get any smaller, so I've archived. I certainly don't want to chop off any active discussions -- however, if all you're posting here to do is to try and confirm a picture you found on the Internet, take it elsewhere. If it's an obvious fake, it's going to be deleted. If you're posting speculation about removed characters, it's going to be deleted. There is a lot of legitimate information out there and a lot of fake stuff; please try to be discerning when bringing it up for article inclusion consideration. Thank you. Coreycubed ( talk) 21:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Note: since Super Smash Bros. Brawl is now released in Japan, footage from the game can be used as a citation, and as such this particular list is irrelevant. oobug talk/ contrib 21:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Lucario, Falco, R.O.B., Luigi, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon -
Computer and Video Games
Marth, Ness - IGN - Official Intro Video
Please update this list with links to Wikipidia-verification-approved websites. The only characters that have not yet been confirmed by an official publication, but have been confirmed by pictures, are Ganondorf and WW LINK, so be on the lookout for these articles. oobug talk/ contrib 20:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Plus, who says a reliable website, cant make a mistake. Atomic Religione ( talk) 21:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Re-added this to active discussion to clarify where we've gotten so far regarding acceptable content for citations and characters that can be confirmed. If this is deemed unnecessary, than you may revert. oobug talk/ contrib 21:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Well this completely got me by surprise... I mean I knew Marth and Ness were in, I saw the video, but what's all of this talk about chars like Mr. GW, Captain Falcon, Luigi, and ROB being confirmed as chars. Where are these leaked pics? Someone post a link please. And I thought ROB was already a NPC, w/ his role in Subspace Emmissary and stuff. 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 23:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I know it's a YouTube link, but I found a video with gameplay footage that confirms Captain Falcon and Luigi here. Could they be added now? -- GVOLTT How's my editing?\ My contribs 00:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Aparrently not, YouTube videos are not reliable sources, and apparently neither are our own eyes....Sorry GVOLTT, nope. Atomic Religione ( talk) 00:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The ACTUAL GAME is the PERFECT source. Jesus Christ people. Lucario and those others ARE in the game. Get with the program Wikipedia 12.210.209.18 ( talk) 00:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't see how Lucario, Ness and Jigglypuff were put as confirmed as returning, as per the Sticker leak, yet actual gameplay footage of characters fighting, a whole bunch of footage, all consistant with eachother, doesn't count as proof, any less than the blurry pixelated faces of the aformentioned three. http://gonintendo.com/?p=34396 http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30051.html http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/29/super-spoiler-bros-brawl-major-leaked-roster-update-videos-a/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.53.91 ( talk) 13:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
GameSpot has a blog entry with information about the characters including Luigi. However, it is a blog entry and not an article, so take it as a questionable source just like Joystiq. Note that both GameSpot and IGN are taking care of not publishing an article without verifying the information. -- ReyBrujo ( talk) 01:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that Gamespot News Blog should be enough confirmation. [1] M4192 ( talk) 02:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
To put focus in the section above this one.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This is no longer about Wikipedia policies and more about people here being hard headed and enjoying themselves. Face the facts, the game has been leaked/broke street date, we know everything we need to know, the game is officially out in Japan tomorrow and all you who were getting a kick out of saying "This is not a real source" will get your ass handed to you by everyone else tomorrow.
Here, Kotaku has an article as well for those of you who care: http://kotaku.com/350347/super-smash-bros-brawl-leaks-turn-to-flood
Oh and don't bother digging up Wikipedia rules to talk to me, I really couldn't care less at this point since these sources are right.
Duhman0009 ( talk) 05:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Duhman. Calm down...I do believe you do not wish to end up like Rikara for his actions on this talk page: User_talk:Rikara#3RR. It is true that we cannot add these until verifiable sources surface. If you could please be patient and wait 24 hours, you will find your desired check and x marks on that table. -- haha169 ( talk) 06:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
We all waited for many months now. Why dont we all calm down, go do something else, and wait until tomorrow. Do waiting for 24 more hours really make any difference? Icaazn614 ( talk) 07:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Final Character List:
Alexander Vince ( talk) 05:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I find it difficult to believe that this is the full, final, complete roster. It was released in Hong Kong for less than 24 hours...and some characters require in-game time to unlock certain characters. 24 hours just doesn't hit it for some. That's another reason why we're waiting. -- haha169 ( talk) 06:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that the name タブー means "random" in Japanese. Sakurai just confirmed that there is a "random" button in the character selection screen. There is definitely room for one more character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.216.134 ( talk) 13:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Not that my opinion matters, but I agree with the notion that Star Wolf completes the roster. Just look at the first "confirmed" roster, and then the new roster with Wolf in it. Everyone is in their proper place. I just can't wait to laugh when all who are doubting this are proven wrong. Also, the Smash Bros website confirmed that the white space is, in fact, random. [2]-- NukeMTV ( talk) 15:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Does this mean that Krystal is an assist trophy?-LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.53.18 ( talk) 23:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel that this page should be unlocked now? Seeing as the game is out, there will be now more rumours added to the article. - Addit ( talk) 21:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Roy still marked with question marks? We know the final roster thanks to the "You've unlocked all characters!" message, and they're not on it; why continue to hold on to the belief that they are? Therefore, I propose that their status in Brawl be officially marked as . (As for Young Link, I say we leave it as is until we get the Toon Link argument settled.) Cyberlink420 ( talk) 23:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind, it's been changed again SuperLink9 ( talk) 23:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I haven't seen the picture about all the characters unlocked. Can anyone link it? and also couldn't the message mean that thats all the characters unlocked in SSE and there can be more characters unlocked in other modes such as Classic? We will know everything when the guide comes out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SS3Gotenks66 ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Or that all characters are unlocked from all-star mode. Certain characters were unlocked from classic mode in SSBM and the same could be for this game, so don't make decisions so quickly. Or characters can be unlocked like Mewtwo or the target test, 100 man melee, etc.-- SS3Gotenks66 ( talk) 01:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)SS3Gotenks66
I had my friend who speaks Japanese translate that message for me. He gave the literal translation as "My Character has become able to serve! His true strength is in his body!" I can read a little Japanese myself and the first word is definitely a name, Maikyara, (My Chara), my friend is still a little iffy on that word. Just my two cents. Genosoa ( talk) 05:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC) {{ editprotected}} The NPUK reference and the footnote on the playable characters section reads Nintendo Power, but the magazine / site is not Nintendo Power. Please change the reference as stated to "Official Nintendo Magazine". Coreycubed ( talk) 04:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In the recent update for today on Smash Bros. Dojo it has been mentioned that from this point onwards they will be posting updates on the hidden characters and stages and other things that haven't been revealed. The only reason why I am posting this is to let anyone who reads it be aware of what is happening because it will help with sourcing on the hidden characters if anyone still has any doubts that towards the full roster and such. - 71.59.237.110 ( talk) 08:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't it only confirm the ones that are in? maybe he got all of the ones from the Subspace Emissary, but not any of the ones from other modes. I personally think that those characters are cut, but since when is it official? Igglybuff63 ( talk) 12:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Everyone knows this right? So why are some people putting him down as not a playable character? Onepiece226 ( talk) 19:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
Ok because we all already know he's playable, and someone keeps putting an X under his name for Brawl Onepiece226 ( talk) 19:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
People say Rob is confirmed when he is not on the offical site. It says you need to have reliable sources and as far as I am concerned that is the only reliable on there is.
Ummmmmmmmmmm, the river in Egypt is called the Nile not DEnile-LyokoTitan101
Omg ok it's just an expression like deny? you live in denial? DENILE! get it?, Ok for R.O.B., just because he's called robot in Japan, his name has always been known as R.O.B. in America, Like Bowers name in Japan is Koopa, and Jigglypuff's name is Purin, The name R.O.B. stays Onepiece226 ( talk) 23:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
In the article, this is said:
The Subspace Emissary features a new group of antagonists called the Subspace Army, who are led by the Ancient Minister. Some of these enemy characters appeared in previous Nintendo video games, such as Petey Piranha from the Mario series and a squadron of R.O.B.s based on classic Nintendo hardware.
A squadron of R.O.B.s? But isn't R.O.B. a confirmed playable character? Can somebody clear this up for me? Thanks! Epass ( talk) 20:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There are bad R.O.B.s that work for the Ancient Minister. The playable R.O.B. is speculated to be a good one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.102.73 ( talk) 20:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Yea what I believe is that you're not playing as a general R.O.B, but an actual specific R.O.B who in SSE turns good and...yea. It's kind of like though Pikachu is a actually the name of the species, it is suspected that the playable Pikachu is that of Ash Ketchum or maybe the trainer from Yellow Version, making the playable Pikachu a specific Pikachu rather than some random old one. Does that make sense? 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 21:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
As a heads up for people who were unaware, Xenon54 re-requested full protection of Brawl due to the rampant vandalism we're currently getting; I've done the same for (series). Since the reason for protection is different, I'm not certain we'll receive full prot; the articles may only be semi-protected instead. Anything would help at this point though. Arrowned ( talk) 22:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
The Japanese version of several Smash Bros. articles seem to show that the Japanese names for the Polygons, Wire Frames and Alloys are all the same. Should we make note of that if this is true? Immblueversion ( talk) 23:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I feel that this article is a good article, and I have nominated it. Epass ( talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Page is getting a little unwieldy and not about to get any smaller, so I've archived. I certainly don't want to chop off any active discussions -- however, if all you're posting here to do is to try and confirm a picture you found on the Internet, take it elsewhere. If it's an obvious fake, it's going to be deleted. If you're posting speculation about removed characters, it's going to be deleted. There is a lot of legitimate information out there and a lot of fake stuff; please try to be discerning when bringing it up for article inclusion consideration. Thank you. Coreycubed ( talk) 21:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Note: since Super Smash Bros. Brawl is now released in Japan, footage from the game can be used as a citation, and as such this particular list is irrelevant. oobug talk/ contrib 21:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Lucario, Falco, R.O.B., Luigi, Mr. Game & Watch, Captain Falcon -
Computer and Video Games
Marth, Ness - IGN - Official Intro Video
Please update this list with links to Wikipidia-verification-approved websites. The only characters that have not yet been confirmed by an official publication, but have been confirmed by pictures, are Ganondorf and WW LINK, so be on the lookout for these articles. oobug talk/ contrib 20:53, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Plus, who says a reliable website, cant make a mistake. Atomic Religione ( talk) 21:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Re-added this to active discussion to clarify where we've gotten so far regarding acceptable content for citations and characters that can be confirmed. If this is deemed unnecessary, than you may revert. oobug talk/ contrib 21:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Well this completely got me by surprise... I mean I knew Marth and Ness were in, I saw the video, but what's all of this talk about chars like Mr. GW, Captain Falcon, Luigi, and ROB being confirmed as chars. Where are these leaked pics? Someone post a link please. And I thought ROB was already a NPC, w/ his role in Subspace Emmissary and stuff. 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 23:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I know it's a YouTube link, but I found a video with gameplay footage that confirms Captain Falcon and Luigi here. Could they be added now? -- GVOLTT How's my editing?\ My contribs 00:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Aparrently not, YouTube videos are not reliable sources, and apparently neither are our own eyes....Sorry GVOLTT, nope. Atomic Religione ( talk) 00:06, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
The ACTUAL GAME is the PERFECT source. Jesus Christ people. Lucario and those others ARE in the game. Get with the program Wikipedia 12.210.209.18 ( talk) 00:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't see how Lucario, Ness and Jigglypuff were put as confirmed as returning, as per the Sticker leak, yet actual gameplay footage of characters fighting, a whole bunch of footage, all consistant with eachother, doesn't count as proof, any less than the blurry pixelated faces of the aformentioned three. http://gonintendo.com/?p=34396 http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30051.html http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/29/super-spoiler-bros-brawl-major-leaked-roster-update-videos-a/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.165.53.91 ( talk) 13:05, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
GameSpot has a blog entry with information about the characters including Luigi. However, it is a blog entry and not an article, so take it as a questionable source just like Joystiq. Note that both GameSpot and IGN are taking care of not publishing an article without verifying the information. -- ReyBrujo ( talk) 01:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that Gamespot News Blog should be enough confirmation. [1] M4192 ( talk) 02:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
To put focus in the section above this one.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This is no longer about Wikipedia policies and more about people here being hard headed and enjoying themselves. Face the facts, the game has been leaked/broke street date, we know everything we need to know, the game is officially out in Japan tomorrow and all you who were getting a kick out of saying "This is not a real source" will get your ass handed to you by everyone else tomorrow.
Here, Kotaku has an article as well for those of you who care: http://kotaku.com/350347/super-smash-bros-brawl-leaks-turn-to-flood
Oh and don't bother digging up Wikipedia rules to talk to me, I really couldn't care less at this point since these sources are right.
Duhman0009 ( talk) 05:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Duhman. Calm down...I do believe you do not wish to end up like Rikara for his actions on this talk page: User_talk:Rikara#3RR. It is true that we cannot add these until verifiable sources surface. If you could please be patient and wait 24 hours, you will find your desired check and x marks on that table. -- haha169 ( talk) 06:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
We all waited for many months now. Why dont we all calm down, go do something else, and wait until tomorrow. Do waiting for 24 more hours really make any difference? Icaazn614 ( talk) 07:02, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Final Character List:
Alexander Vince ( talk) 05:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I find it difficult to believe that this is the full, final, complete roster. It was released in Hong Kong for less than 24 hours...and some characters require in-game time to unlock certain characters. 24 hours just doesn't hit it for some. That's another reason why we're waiting. -- haha169 ( talk) 06:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I think that the name タブー means "random" in Japanese. Sakurai just confirmed that there is a "random" button in the character selection screen. There is definitely room for one more character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.138.216.134 ( talk) 13:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Not that my opinion matters, but I agree with the notion that Star Wolf completes the roster. Just look at the first "confirmed" roster, and then the new roster with Wolf in it. Everyone is in their proper place. I just can't wait to laugh when all who are doubting this are proven wrong. Also, the Smash Bros website confirmed that the white space is, in fact, random. [2]-- NukeMTV ( talk) 15:46, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Does this mean that Krystal is an assist trophy?-LyokoTitan101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.53.18 ( talk) 23:45, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel that this page should be unlocked now? Seeing as the game is out, there will be now more rumours added to the article. - Addit ( talk) 21:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Why are Dr. Mario, Mewtwo, Pichu, and Roy still marked with question marks? We know the final roster thanks to the "You've unlocked all characters!" message, and they're not on it; why continue to hold on to the belief that they are? Therefore, I propose that their status in Brawl be officially marked as . (As for Young Link, I say we leave it as is until we get the Toon Link argument settled.) Cyberlink420 ( talk) 23:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind, it's been changed again SuperLink9 ( talk) 23:27, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I haven't seen the picture about all the characters unlocked. Can anyone link it? and also couldn't the message mean that thats all the characters unlocked in SSE and there can be more characters unlocked in other modes such as Classic? We will know everything when the guide comes out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SS3Gotenks66 ( talk • contribs) 00:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Or that all characters are unlocked from all-star mode. Certain characters were unlocked from classic mode in SSBM and the same could be for this game, so don't make decisions so quickly. Or characters can be unlocked like Mewtwo or the target test, 100 man melee, etc.-- SS3Gotenks66 ( talk) 01:08, 31 January 2008 (UTC)SS3Gotenks66
I had my friend who speaks Japanese translate that message for me. He gave the literal translation as "My Character has become able to serve! His true strength is in his body!" I can read a little Japanese myself and the first word is definitely a name, Maikyara, (My Chara), my friend is still a little iffy on that word. Just my two cents. Genosoa ( talk) 05:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC) {{ editprotected}} The NPUK reference and the footnote on the playable characters section reads Nintendo Power, but the magazine / site is not Nintendo Power. Please change the reference as stated to "Official Nintendo Magazine". Coreycubed ( talk) 04:32, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
In the recent update for today on Smash Bros. Dojo it has been mentioned that from this point onwards they will be posting updates on the hidden characters and stages and other things that haven't been revealed. The only reason why I am posting this is to let anyone who reads it be aware of what is happening because it will help with sourcing on the hidden characters if anyone still has any doubts that towards the full roster and such. - 71.59.237.110 ( talk) 08:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Doesn't it only confirm the ones that are in? maybe he got all of the ones from the Subspace Emissary, but not any of the ones from other modes. I personally think that those characters are cut, but since when is it official? Igglybuff63 ( talk) 12:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Everyone knows this right? So why are some people putting him down as not a playable character? Onepiece226 ( talk) 19:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
Ok because we all already know he's playable, and someone keeps putting an X under his name for Brawl Onepiece226 ( talk) 19:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
People say Rob is confirmed when he is not on the offical site. It says you need to have reliable sources and as far as I am concerned that is the only reliable on there is.
Ummmmmmmmmmm, the river in Egypt is called the Nile not DEnile-LyokoTitan101
Omg ok it's just an expression like deny? you live in denial? DENILE! get it?, Ok for R.O.B., just because he's called robot in Japan, his name has always been known as R.O.B. in America, Like Bowers name in Japan is Koopa, and Jigglypuff's name is Purin, The name R.O.B. stays Onepiece226 ( talk) 23:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Onepiece226
In the article, this is said:
The Subspace Emissary features a new group of antagonists called the Subspace Army, who are led by the Ancient Minister. Some of these enemy characters appeared in previous Nintendo video games, such as Petey Piranha from the Mario series and a squadron of R.O.B.s based on classic Nintendo hardware.
A squadron of R.O.B.s? But isn't R.O.B. a confirmed playable character? Can somebody clear this up for me? Thanks! Epass ( talk) 20:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
There are bad R.O.B.s that work for the Ancient Minister. The playable R.O.B. is speculated to be a good one! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.102.73 ( talk) 20:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
Yea what I believe is that you're not playing as a general R.O.B, but an actual specific R.O.B who in SSE turns good and...yea. It's kind of like though Pikachu is a actually the name of the species, it is suspected that the playable Pikachu is that of Ash Ketchum or maybe the trainer from Yellow Version, making the playable Pikachu a specific Pikachu rather than some random old one. Does that make sense? 24.186.101.182 ( talk) 21:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
As a heads up for people who were unaware, Xenon54 re-requested full protection of Brawl due to the rampant vandalism we're currently getting; I've done the same for (series). Since the reason for protection is different, I'm not certain we'll receive full prot; the articles may only be semi-protected instead. Anything would help at this point though. Arrowned ( talk) 22:48, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
The Japanese version of several Smash Bros. articles seem to show that the Japanese names for the Polygons, Wire Frames and Alloys are all the same. Should we make note of that if this is true? Immblueversion ( talk) 23:16, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
I feel that this article is a good article, and I have nominated it. Epass ( talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |