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Archive 1 created: ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 04:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
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Is the complete taxon classification necessary? -- It takes up a lot of room, and there is an external link. I clarified the infobox/map regarding subspecies. ~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 07:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC) I'll edit the complete taxon to only include the major divisions. I'm a little concerned about the sub-species information given, and am looking at the issue. OberonNightSeer ( talk) 22:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Made table for Taxonomy section, edited divisions, small change to P.gracilis, added wiki-links to Other P. species. Table looks a bit wonky, suggestions welcome. Reduces space used for this section. OberonNightSeer ( talk) 01:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Taxonomic history tableWould the following be useful, misleading, or trivial? ~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 20:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
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Per the recent edit war with 74.60.29.141, we need to discuss the following statement made in the article:
"Around the world, the sugar glider is popular as a domesticated exotic pet..."
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Per
the source for this statement, it starts by saying: "The practice of importing and exporting wild animals as pets has been happening for decades..."
Domestication is a process that species undergo by being bred in captivity for long periods of times (arguably hundreds or even thousands of years).
Exotic pets are animals that are *wild* species not typically kept as pets. Therefore "domesticated exotic pet" is an oxymoron. And as I said, the statement disagrees with the source, which goes at length to make the case that these are not domestic animals—they are wild animals with special needs that cannot be provided in a domestic setting: "...so life in a domestic environment isn't going to satisfy their natural desires." For this reason, I have removed the word "domesticated" from the statement. –
Maky «
talk » 02:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
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This topic is likely to resurface; rather than starting from scratch, I will attempt to summarize the discussion thus-far:
Judging from the archived entries and 'Viewer feedback', readers would like to see more information relating to them as pets. The consensus among editors seems to be that more specific information on the subject would be inappropriate for this article. It has been suggested that a separate article be created for sugar gliders as pets. If created, this article would require careful scrutiny to avoid it becoming a pet care guide or advice column. ~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 18:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I've added a new image, but am not thrilled with it. Sugar glider nest, in eucalyptus tree hollow John Gould, 1861 in 'Conservation' section. At least it shows gliders in natural setting. Opinions? ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 10:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know how to make a dentition chart (Dental Formula)?
~E: 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 05:58, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
“2(I 2 or 3/1 or 3 C 1/0 P 1 or 3/1 or 3 M 3 or 4/3 or 4)”,
assuming x/y is upper/lower and X is x/x:
2.1.1.32.0.1.3 × 2 = 26
-or-
3.1.3.41.0.1.3 × 2 = 32
-or-
3.1.3.43.0.3.4 × 2 = 42
Somewhat confusing, but is this on the right track? - and what do you make of "-or-"? I have a feeling this is another area where "further study is needed." ~E:
74.60.29.141 (
talk) 00:20, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
iS IT COMMON TO HAVE SUGAR GLIDERS IN rICHMOND? I HAVE 2 HUGE NEST OF THEM LIVING IN A TREE IN MY BACK YARD RIGHT ABOVE MY FINCH FEEDER AND EVERY NITE THEY CRAWL DOWN ON IT AND TEAR HOLES IN THE MESH SOCKS THT FOOD IS IN. HOW DO YOU GET RID OF THEM? THEY JST SHOWED UP BOUT 2 NITE AGO...
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My cited edit updating the legality of sugar gliders as pets in NYC was undone. I believe this was a mistake. The cited source states "No person shall sell or give to another person, possess, harbor, keep, or yard wild or other animals identified in this section." The list of illegal animal includes "(17)All marsupials, including, but not limited to... sugar and greater glider." I believe this is unambiguous to the legality of sugar gliders in NYC. Dbsseven ( talk) 19:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
We seem to have a misunderstanding of the meaning of endemism here. It merely means "restricted to a particular region", which allows applicability to any unit you would like - indeed, up to and including "planet Earth". While the latter would of course be pointless, describing an organism as endemic to bioregions, ecozones, or continents is entirely proper usage. In the case of the sugar glider, it is correctly described as endemic to mainland Australia and biogeographically associated islands.-- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:09, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
the expression "endemic to mainland Australia, New Guinea and certain Indonesian islands" makes no sense, nor does "endemic to both Australia and New Guinea"- well yes, it does make sense. "Endemic to Matawi Tepui and Autana Tepui" would be perfectly acceptable and informative, even though there is no single collective name for just these two mountains among the local group of tepuis. To stay with bioregions, consider the fynbos, which is disjunct over various non-connected areas in South Africa. There are plenty of specialists that occur in all of these areas, in which case it is of course easy to say "endemic to fynbos"; but there are also plenty of species that occur in only a few of them, in which case a correct phrasing is "endemic to Table Mountain and the Hottentots Holland Mountains". In the same manner, a species occurring only in parts of the Australasian bioregion can be described as "endemic to Australia, New Guinea and some associated islands". - Your understanding of the usage is not representative, and I wouldn't ascribe the same misunderstanding to prospective readers.-- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 11:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
The natural range map is inaccurate, as it includes Tasmania as the natural range of P. brev. Ordinary Person ( talk) 02:59, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Suga Glida — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.29.71.109 ( talk) 12:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
The “sugar glider” in the top photo has a white tail tip, which would make it actually a photo of a Kreffts glider (see the section on distribution in the article on P. Notatus), and the misidentified photo should be replaced. 108.250.162.158 ( talk) 23:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
text with citation needed; Each colony defends a territory of about 1 hectare (2.5 acres) where eucalyptus trees provide a staple food source. is from https://kids.kiddle.co/Sugar_glider ;) Ji vun ( talk) 23:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
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Archive 1 created: ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 04:52, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
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Potential sources:
~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 00:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
OberonNightSeer ( talk) 08:38, 7 October 2012 (UTC) Good suggestion, working on it. |
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Is the complete taxon classification necessary? -- It takes up a lot of room, and there is an external link. I clarified the infobox/map regarding subspecies. ~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 07:36, 8 October 2012 (UTC) I'll edit the complete taxon to only include the major divisions. I'm a little concerned about the sub-species information given, and am looking at the issue. OberonNightSeer ( talk) 22:53, 8 October 2012 (UTC) Made table for Taxonomy section, edited divisions, small change to P.gracilis, added wiki-links to Other P. species. Table looks a bit wonky, suggestions welcome. Reduces space used for this section. OberonNightSeer ( talk) 01:35, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Taxonomic history tableWould the following be useful, misleading, or trivial? ~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 20:39, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
|
Per the recent edit war with 74.60.29.141, we need to discuss the following statement made in the article:
"Around the world, the sugar glider is popular as a domesticated exotic pet..."
![]() |
---|
Per
the source for this statement, it starts by saying: "The practice of importing and exporting wild animals as pets has been happening for decades..."
Domestication is a process that species undergo by being bred in captivity for long periods of times (arguably hundreds or even thousands of years).
Exotic pets are animals that are *wild* species not typically kept as pets. Therefore "domesticated exotic pet" is an oxymoron. And as I said, the statement disagrees with the source, which goes at length to make the case that these are not domestic animals—they are wild animals with special needs that cannot be provided in a domestic setting: "...so life in a domestic environment isn't going to satisfy their natural desires." For this reason, I have removed the word "domesticated" from the statement. –
Maky «
talk » 02:18, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
|
This topic is likely to resurface; rather than starting from scratch, I will attempt to summarize the discussion thus-far:
Judging from the archived entries and 'Viewer feedback', readers would like to see more information relating to them as pets. The consensus among editors seems to be that more specific information on the subject would be inappropriate for this article. It has been suggested that a separate article be created for sugar gliders as pets. If created, this article would require careful scrutiny to avoid it becoming a pet care guide or advice column. ~E 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 18:46, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
I've added a new image, but am not thrilled with it. Sugar glider nest, in eucalyptus tree hollow John Gould, 1861 in 'Conservation' section. At least it shows gliders in natural setting. Opinions? ~Eric F 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 10:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Does anybody know how to make a dentition chart (Dental Formula)?
~E: 74.60.29.141 ( talk) 05:58, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
“2(I 2 or 3/1 or 3 C 1/0 P 1 or 3/1 or 3 M 3 or 4/3 or 4)”,
assuming x/y is upper/lower and X is x/x:
2.1.1.32.0.1.3 × 2 = 26
-or-
3.1.3.41.0.1.3 × 2 = 32
-or-
3.1.3.43.0.3.4 × 2 = 42
Somewhat confusing, but is this on the right track? - and what do you make of "-or-"? I have a feeling this is another area where "further study is needed." ~E:
74.60.29.141 (
talk) 00:20, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
iS IT COMMON TO HAVE SUGAR GLIDERS IN rICHMOND? I HAVE 2 HUGE NEST OF THEM LIVING IN A TREE IN MY BACK YARD RIGHT ABOVE MY FINCH FEEDER AND EVERY NITE THEY CRAWL DOWN ON IT AND TEAR HOLES IN THE MESH SOCKS THT FOOD IS IN. HOW DO YOU GET RID OF THEM? THEY JST SHOWED UP BOUT 2 NITE AGO...
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 13:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
My cited edit updating the legality of sugar gliders as pets in NYC was undone. I believe this was a mistake. The cited source states "No person shall sell or give to another person, possess, harbor, keep, or yard wild or other animals identified in this section." The list of illegal animal includes "(17)All marsupials, including, but not limited to... sugar and greater glider." I believe this is unambiguous to the legality of sugar gliders in NYC. Dbsseven ( talk) 19:31, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
We seem to have a misunderstanding of the meaning of endemism here. It merely means "restricted to a particular region", which allows applicability to any unit you would like - indeed, up to and including "planet Earth". While the latter would of course be pointless, describing an organism as endemic to bioregions, ecozones, or continents is entirely proper usage. In the case of the sugar glider, it is correctly described as endemic to mainland Australia and biogeographically associated islands.-- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:09, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
the expression "endemic to mainland Australia, New Guinea and certain Indonesian islands" makes no sense, nor does "endemic to both Australia and New Guinea"- well yes, it does make sense. "Endemic to Matawi Tepui and Autana Tepui" would be perfectly acceptable and informative, even though there is no single collective name for just these two mountains among the local group of tepuis. To stay with bioregions, consider the fynbos, which is disjunct over various non-connected areas in South Africa. There are plenty of specialists that occur in all of these areas, in which case it is of course easy to say "endemic to fynbos"; but there are also plenty of species that occur in only a few of them, in which case a correct phrasing is "endemic to Table Mountain and the Hottentots Holland Mountains". In the same manner, a species occurring only in parts of the Australasian bioregion can be described as "endemic to Australia, New Guinea and some associated islands". - Your understanding of the usage is not representative, and I wouldn't ascribe the same misunderstanding to prospective readers.-- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 11:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
The natural range map is inaccurate, as it includes Tasmania as the natural range of P. brev. Ordinary Person ( talk) 02:59, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Suga Glida — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.29.71.109 ( talk) 12:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
The “sugar glider” in the top photo has a white tail tip, which would make it actually a photo of a Kreffts glider (see the section on distribution in the article on P. Notatus), and the misidentified photo should be replaced. 108.250.162.158 ( talk) 23:26, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
text with citation needed; Each colony defends a territory of about 1 hectare (2.5 acres) where eucalyptus trees provide a staple food source. is from https://kids.kiddle.co/Sugar_glider ;) Ji vun ( talk) 23:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)