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A better name? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:01, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi The Drover's Wife. Content was removed in these edits. There are sourcs for all of that. Plus, the prostitution part does make sense. Please, let's restore it with sources, okay? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:53, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
It's a bit of an orphan. Could you suggest some places it could go? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:13, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
This is just not true. 44% does not equal "absolutely all" just because you found a few HuffPo trend pieces focused on the student angle. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 02:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
These articles can be in fact merged into one. The compensated dating page focuses more on its implications on the Japanese society. -- Appleuseryu ( talk) 16:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Something ought to be made explicit in the article: put "sugar baby" "call girl" into any search engine. An interesting exchange —
( https://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2015/sep/23/las-vegas-madam-spills-call-girl-secrets-olympian/)
I think it's disingenuous (at best!) to continue trying to draw a line between a person in a romantic relationship who receives cash, gifts or other benefits in exchange for being in the relationship and the practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties. The only possible distinguishing characteristic is the undefined word "romantic," but it makes no difference: having sex with a callgirl is after all generally romanticized in Western culture, therefore "romantic," right?
I have nothing against
sex workers, and in fact support their
rights to organize for recognition. However, the fact must be faced that a whore with one client is still a whore.
Weeb Dingle (
talk)
17:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Sounds like an advertisement. Should specific sites be mentioned at all? Reads like a slang dictionary entry. Needs proof of percentages. Rozzychan ( talk) 06:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
This page is fringe POV gaslighting, attempting to take commonly understood terms with fixed stable meanings, and not only impose on them the re-definitions used by a particular subculture, but also pretend that it was always thus, erasing the older (and actually uncontested, completely standard) meanings.
All dictionary definitions of "sugar daddy" and derivative phrases contradict the inventions in the lead. As do the other paragraphs of the article.
A second problem is that WP:COMMON requires that the article on this subject, if there is to be one, be under the massively more frequent term "sugar daddy". "Sugar baby" gets much less use, and "sugaring", which is treated here as some sort of known and primary concept, is extremely uncommon. Search engine hits for the latter are mostly for methods of hair removal or food preparation. Which is another indicator of the gaslighting. COMMENCE DELETION. Sesquivalent ( talk) 18:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): SophieVMoon, Gf6f3, MichalyLong ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Aysiagrey, Elawson123, Karleeseek, Bem2c4, MNC-2016, Elaineamery, Kailynhill721, Lilurkel44.
— Assignment last updated by MNC-2016 ( talk) 19:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
We love the entire set up about the article. However, feel as though we would want to change the tittle of the page from "Sugar baby" to "Transactional dating". We feel as though this is essential because most of the article speaks on what sugar dating is and refers it all back to sugar baby, sugar mom or sugar daddy terms. By changing the article it will allow us to add more information instead of just broad details of what sugar babies are or do. MichalyLong ( talk) 19:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Sugar dating. Consensus developed to move to Sugar dating. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 01:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Sugar baby → Transactional Dating – Transactional dating seems to be a better fit for the name of the page. "Sugar baby" is a specific term used for the recipient in sugar dating, which is a form of transactional dating. The article does not even open with discussion specifically on sugar babies. It opens with the line "Sugaring, or sugar dating." This could discrepancy could be fixed with a move to the name transactional dating. SophieVMoon ( talk) 19:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sugar Mama which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 01:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Sugar dating → Sugar daddy – "Sugar daddy" initially linked to Age disparity in sexual relationships#Slang terms before being moved to Sugar Daddy, the lowercase variant redirected here instead as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. However, I believe it is the WP:COMMONNAME. Google Ngrams shows a vast difference in usage, with "sugar dating" still being something of a neologism. The article can still address the existence of "sugar mama" as a term, but the usage is not equivalent. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 19:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
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On 25 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Transactional Dating. The result of the discussion was Moved to Sugar dating. |
On 16 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to Sugar daddy. The result of the discussion was not moved. |
A better name? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:01, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Hi The Drover's Wife. Content was removed in these edits. There are sourcs for all of that. Plus, the prostitution part does make sense. Please, let's restore it with sources, okay? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:53, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
It's a bit of an orphan. Could you suggest some places it could go? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 01:13, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
This is just not true. 44% does not equal "absolutely all" just because you found a few HuffPo trend pieces focused on the student angle. The Drover's Wife ( talk) 02:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
These articles can be in fact merged into one. The compensated dating page focuses more on its implications on the Japanese society. -- Appleuseryu ( talk) 16:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Something ought to be made explicit in the article: put "sugar baby" "call girl" into any search engine. An interesting exchange —
( https://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2015/sep/23/las-vegas-madam-spills-call-girl-secrets-olympian/)
I think it's disingenuous (at best!) to continue trying to draw a line between a person in a romantic relationship who receives cash, gifts or other benefits in exchange for being in the relationship and the practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties. The only possible distinguishing characteristic is the undefined word "romantic," but it makes no difference: having sex with a callgirl is after all generally romanticized in Western culture, therefore "romantic," right?
I have nothing against
sex workers, and in fact support their
rights to organize for recognition. However, the fact must be faced that a whore with one client is still a whore.
Weeb Dingle (
talk)
17:12, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Sounds like an advertisement. Should specific sites be mentioned at all? Reads like a slang dictionary entry. Needs proof of percentages. Rozzychan ( talk) 06:28, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
This page is fringe POV gaslighting, attempting to take commonly understood terms with fixed stable meanings, and not only impose on them the re-definitions used by a particular subculture, but also pretend that it was always thus, erasing the older (and actually uncontested, completely standard) meanings.
All dictionary definitions of "sugar daddy" and derivative phrases contradict the inventions in the lead. As do the other paragraphs of the article.
A second problem is that WP:COMMON requires that the article on this subject, if there is to be one, be under the massively more frequent term "sugar daddy". "Sugar baby" gets much less use, and "sugaring", which is treated here as some sort of known and primary concept, is extremely uncommon. Search engine hits for the latter are mostly for methods of hair removal or food preparation. Which is another indicator of the gaslighting. COMMENCE DELETION. Sesquivalent ( talk) 18:00, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 8 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): SophieVMoon, Gf6f3, MichalyLong ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: Aysiagrey, Elawson123, Karleeseek, Bem2c4, MNC-2016, Elaineamery, Kailynhill721, Lilurkel44.
— Assignment last updated by MNC-2016 ( talk) 19:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
We love the entire set up about the article. However, feel as though we would want to change the tittle of the page from "Sugar baby" to "Transactional dating". We feel as though this is essential because most of the article speaks on what sugar dating is and refers it all back to sugar baby, sugar mom or sugar daddy terms. By changing the article it will allow us to add more information instead of just broad details of what sugar babies are or do. MichalyLong ( talk) 19:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Sugar dating. Consensus developed to move to Sugar dating. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 01:27, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
Sugar baby → Transactional Dating – Transactional dating seems to be a better fit for the name of the page. "Sugar baby" is a specific term used for the recipient in sugar dating, which is a form of transactional dating. The article does not even open with discussion specifically on sugar babies. It opens with the line "Sugaring, or sugar dating." This could discrepancy could be fixed with a move to the name transactional dating. SophieVMoon ( talk) 19:38, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Sugar Mama which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 01:18, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. ( non-admin closure) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
Sugar dating → Sugar daddy – "Sugar daddy" initially linked to Age disparity in sexual relationships#Slang terms before being moved to Sugar Daddy, the lowercase variant redirected here instead as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. However, I believe it is the WP:COMMONNAME. Google Ngrams shows a vast difference in usage, with "sugar dating" still being something of a neologism. The article can still address the existence of "sugar mama" as a term, but the usage is not equivalent. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 19:53, 16 July 2023 (UTC)