This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Phytophthora ramorum article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Phytophthora ramorum received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. |
![]() | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
The result of the debate was No move. Redirects will be created for convenience. Duja ► 14:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This request was put onto WP:RM on 9 February 2007 but the discussion page was Talk:Sudden Oak Death (note upper case) which did not exist. Further it was placed there without a move template on this page. So this conversation was hard to find. For this reason I am reformating the request and resubmitting it. I have made a good faith attempt to include the opinions expressed in the Discussion section in the Survey. If I have made a mistake please adjust your entry ASAP. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be best, since P. ramorum infects many more species than just oak, that this article has it's title changed to Phytophora ramorum. ( a Mentally Efficient Loonies And Nice Insane Elephants creation 11:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC))
I think it might be best, since P. ramorum infects many more species than just oak, that this article has it's title changed to Phytophora ramorum. ( a Mentally Efficient Loonies And Nice Insane Elephants creation 11:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC))
the article urgently need a map of the affected areas in California. A map of the European areas may also be useful.A third map of the orgin area in Asia would be useful, but is probably WP:OR - Arch dude 01:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The reference to "bay laurel" as a major source of innoculum in forests is probably mistaken. I suspect the plant meant is Umbellularia californica, common name "California bay". "Bay laurel" is normally understood as referring to the old-world species Laurus nobilis; indeed, that is what the Wikipedia itself does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.175.33 ( talk) 01:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC) "Bay laurel" and "bay" are the common names in the U.S. west coast vernacular referring to U. californica. Yankeepapa13 ( talk) 22:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Looks like mostly dead and living pines, not oaks —Preceding unsigned comment added by DLuber1 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Photo is too low quality to be absolutely sure, but as for living trees, those are largely redwoods, not pines. The appearance of the dead trees is not inconsistent with dead tan oaks. I live on property hard hit by sudden oak death. I would assume the person who took the photo correctly identified the trees. Eperotao ( talk) 16:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
There is no question that "Sudden Oak Death" deserves its own article, but because of the length of this article and the fact that it gives short shrift to the non-oak victims, it seems appropriate to divide the two articles. The P. ramorum article could include both taxonomy and diseases like Ramorum dieback. It could have a synoptic paragraph about "sudden oak disease" with a Template:Main to this article. That way this article could focus on Sudden Oak Death (IAW the title), and those seeking information about P. ramorum could find it without distraction. It would mean shortening this article, a bit, as the general material may not need repeating in as much detail here. Does a Mentally Efficient Loonies And Nice Insane Elephants creation object to having a general P. ramorum article? -- Bejnar ( talk) 17:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Parts of this article, such as the section on ecological impacts, are inaccessible for a general reader. I have an excellent background in biology and ecology and even in basic forestry. E.g., I audited a university course in forest ecology in the 1970s. But the ecology section is too dense and riddled with jargon for me to understand even half of it and the rest is very uneven. I hope someone can translate into standard English throughout. Eperotao ( talk) 17:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Xoloz ( talk) 03:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Sudden oak death →
Phytophthora ramorum – This has been requested before in 2007. Back then this pathogen was mainly known as a North American disease, where it is notable as a fatal disease of Oak trees. Since then the pathogen has been killing trees (mainly Japanese Larch) in the United Kingdom and Ireland, but it has not harmed the native oak species in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. So from a purely European perspective "Sudden oak death" is a really poor name for the disease and government websites (eg.
[1]) and news organisations (eg.
[2]) don't call it that. It has previously been suggested that there could be two separate articles, one on Sudden oak death and the other on Phytophora ramorum, but I really can't see how one can sensibly divide the article up (and there's nothing wrong with having a long article anyway). I think it would make most sense to move this page to
Phytophthora ramorum, and prominently declare in the lead that it causes the disease known in North America as Sudden oak death; anyone searching for that phrase will still find what they're looking for.
Pasicles (
talk)
22:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.I noticed this from the intro: "the origins of the pathogen are still unclear but most evidence suggests it was repeatedly introduced as an exotic species.[1]" I can't believe you actually meant to say that, but if you did the abstract of the ref doesn't support you.
Perhaps what was meant was something like "the repeated introduction of exotic species spread the pathogen". Macdonald-ross ( talk) 17:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
While the abstract only hints at this, the actual content of the reference provides strong evidence citing a multitude of recent studies indicating that P. ramorum is introduced into Europe and North America and exotic, while the origin of these populations remains to be found.
NatCO (
talk)
12:20, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I keep wondering whether it's spread is related to foliar spraying of plants with compost tea. Compost and compost tea sounds like an ideal place for this organism.
2601:243:1203:4FF3:712E:B745:783B:96CE (
talk) 06:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
2601:243:1203:4FF3:712E:B745:783B:96CE (
talk)
06:49, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Phytophthora ramorum article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
![]() | Phytophthora ramorum received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. |
![]() | This article is rated C-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
The result of the debate was No move. Redirects will be created for convenience. Duja ► 14:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
This request was put onto WP:RM on 9 February 2007 but the discussion page was Talk:Sudden Oak Death (note upper case) which did not exist. Further it was placed there without a move template on this page. So this conversation was hard to find. For this reason I am reformating the request and resubmitting it. I have made a good faith attempt to include the opinions expressed in the Discussion section in the Survey. If I have made a mistake please adjust your entry ASAP. -- Philip Baird Shearer 11:35, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I think it might be best, since P. ramorum infects many more species than just oak, that this article has it's title changed to Phytophora ramorum. ( a Mentally Efficient Loonies And Nice Insane Elephants creation 11:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC))
I think it might be best, since P. ramorum infects many more species than just oak, that this article has it's title changed to Phytophora ramorum. ( a Mentally Efficient Loonies And Nice Insane Elephants creation 11:32, 7 February 2007 (UTC))
the article urgently need a map of the affected areas in California. A map of the European areas may also be useful.A third map of the orgin area in Asia would be useful, but is probably WP:OR - Arch dude 01:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The reference to "bay laurel" as a major source of innoculum in forests is probably mistaken. I suspect the plant meant is Umbellularia californica, common name "California bay". "Bay laurel" is normally understood as referring to the old-world species Laurus nobilis; indeed, that is what the Wikipedia itself does. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.183.175.33 ( talk) 01:22, 3 August 2008 (UTC) "Bay laurel" and "bay" are the common names in the U.S. west coast vernacular referring to U. californica. Yankeepapa13 ( talk) 22:23, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Looks like mostly dead and living pines, not oaks —Preceding unsigned comment added by DLuber1 ( talk • contribs) 20:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Photo is too low quality to be absolutely sure, but as for living trees, those are largely redwoods, not pines. The appearance of the dead trees is not inconsistent with dead tan oaks. I live on property hard hit by sudden oak death. I would assume the person who took the photo correctly identified the trees. Eperotao ( talk) 16:56, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
There is no question that "Sudden Oak Death" deserves its own article, but because of the length of this article and the fact that it gives short shrift to the non-oak victims, it seems appropriate to divide the two articles. The P. ramorum article could include both taxonomy and diseases like Ramorum dieback. It could have a synoptic paragraph about "sudden oak disease" with a Template:Main to this article. That way this article could focus on Sudden Oak Death (IAW the title), and those seeking information about P. ramorum could find it without distraction. It would mean shortening this article, a bit, as the general material may not need repeating in as much detail here. Does a Mentally Efficient Loonies And Nice Insane Elephants creation object to having a general P. ramorum article? -- Bejnar ( talk) 17:51, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Parts of this article, such as the section on ecological impacts, are inaccessible for a general reader. I have an excellent background in biology and ecology and even in basic forestry. E.g., I audited a university course in forest ecology in the 1970s. But the ecology section is too dense and riddled with jargon for me to understand even half of it and the rest is very uneven. I hope someone can translate into standard English throughout. Eperotao ( talk) 17:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Xoloz ( talk) 03:08, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Sudden oak death →
Phytophthora ramorum – This has been requested before in 2007. Back then this pathogen was mainly known as a North American disease, where it is notable as a fatal disease of Oak trees. Since then the pathogen has been killing trees (mainly Japanese Larch) in the United Kingdom and Ireland, but it has not harmed the native oak species in the UK or elsewhere in Europe. So from a purely European perspective "Sudden oak death" is a really poor name for the disease and government websites (eg.
[1]) and news organisations (eg.
[2]) don't call it that. It has previously been suggested that there could be two separate articles, one on Sudden oak death and the other on Phytophora ramorum, but I really can't see how one can sensibly divide the article up (and there's nothing wrong with having a long article anyway). I think it would make most sense to move this page to
Phytophthora ramorum, and prominently declare in the lead that it causes the disease known in North America as Sudden oak death; anyone searching for that phrase will still find what they're looking for.
Pasicles (
talk)
22:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's policy on article titles.I noticed this from the intro: "the origins of the pathogen are still unclear but most evidence suggests it was repeatedly introduced as an exotic species.[1]" I can't believe you actually meant to say that, but if you did the abstract of the ref doesn't support you.
Perhaps what was meant was something like "the repeated introduction of exotic species spread the pathogen". Macdonald-ross ( talk) 17:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
While the abstract only hints at this, the actual content of the reference provides strong evidence citing a multitude of recent studies indicating that P. ramorum is introduced into Europe and North America and exotic, while the origin of these populations remains to be found.
NatCO (
talk)
12:20, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I keep wondering whether it's spread is related to foliar spraying of plants with compost tea. Compost and compost tea sounds like an ideal place for this organism.
2601:243:1203:4FF3:712E:B745:783B:96CE (
talk) 06:36, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
2601:243:1203:4FF3:712E:B745:783B:96CE (
talk)
06:49, 18 January 2019 (UTC)