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My additions regarding the layoffs at Naropa and the timing of his resignation, both with newspaper sources, were removed by StoneJamison. See previous versions for more info. Donalds ( talk) 00:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC) The links to newspaper articles about the reasons for Lord's resignation from Naropa have all been removed. It seems that the article has been tidied up, as one might tidy a resume. This article is still being censored. Donalds ( talk) 11:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Donalds has reverted my Wikipedia housekeeping mark-up (see history), intended to accomplish exactly one goal: to prevent this wording from being tampered with. This mark-up is invisible to users, exists for precisely the purpose of preserving the integrity of the quotation, and has no effect on the quotation whatsoever. Please explain this illogical act. Laodah 23:39, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
My apologies for misattribution. The invisible tag is meant precisely to avoid monkeying with the way the quotation reads. Quotations are important, and Wikipedia policy states they are not to be edited. However, copyeditors (also called grammar gnomes) can slip up and edit them accidentally. That's why this mark-up exists: to warn any of us who searches in that this is quoted text. If anyone can post a link to the Wikipedia policy specifically stating that invisible housekeeping mark-up can't be added to quotations, I will concede the point. Otherwise I'm going to reschedule our Stuart C. Lord entry for maintenance. Laodah 04:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
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to surround something not quite right in a quotation, to prevent bots and not-paying-attention editors from altering the quotation, when the construction is familiar enough no one's going to have a "WTF?" reaction. It's routine to use it without |hide=
to make a visible " [
sic]" appear when the quote contains something that is likely to produce a "huh?!" reaction in readers. I dug the quote out of edit history. The problem is its repetition of the same error. We neither want a visible " [
sic]" twice in the same quote (looks like we're mocking the speaker), nor do we want to silently use a quotation that has multiple such errors (especially the same one twice in a row), since it makes us look like we don't have any sense ourselves in choosing quotations that are encyclopedic, instead of just annoying blather. This one was bad enough that one should just paraphrase instead of quote directly. PS: I support both editors' unusually single-minded cleanup efforts when it comes to prose written in WP's own voice. Many uses of "comprised of" are confusing and ignorant, as is nonsense like "awareness around" and "centered around". God[s]speed both of you. But see lead at
WP:MOS: "If a style or similar debate becomes intractable, see if a rewrite can make the issue moot.". This very frequently applies to squabbles over
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17:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)StoneJamison's linkedin profile lists him as an employee of the Naropa University President's Office during and after the tenure of Stuart C. Lord, revealing a lack of objectivity. My edits were reverted by him several times. Donalds ( talk) 11:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
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My additions regarding the layoffs at Naropa and the timing of his resignation, both with newspaper sources, were removed by StoneJamison. See previous versions for more info. Donalds ( talk) 00:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC) The links to newspaper articles about the reasons for Lord's resignation from Naropa have all been removed. It seems that the article has been tidied up, as one might tidy a resume. This article is still being censored. Donalds ( talk) 11:08, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Donalds has reverted my Wikipedia housekeeping mark-up (see history), intended to accomplish exactly one goal: to prevent this wording from being tampered with. This mark-up is invisible to users, exists for precisely the purpose of preserving the integrity of the quotation, and has no effect on the quotation whatsoever. Please explain this illogical act. Laodah 23:39, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
My apologies for misattribution. The invisible tag is meant precisely to avoid monkeying with the way the quotation reads. Quotations are important, and Wikipedia policy states they are not to be edited. However, copyeditors (also called grammar gnomes) can slip up and edit them accidentally. That's why this mark-up exists: to warn any of us who searches in that this is quoted text. If anyone can post a link to the Wikipedia policy specifically stating that invisible housekeeping mark-up can't be added to quotations, I will concede the point. Otherwise I'm going to reschedule our Stuart C. Lord entry for maintenance. Laodah 04:10, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
{{
lc|hide=yes}}
to surround something not quite right in a quotation, to prevent bots and not-paying-attention editors from altering the quotation, when the construction is familiar enough no one's going to have a "WTF?" reaction. It's routine to use it without |hide=
to make a visible " [
sic]" appear when the quote contains something that is likely to produce a "huh?!" reaction in readers. I dug the quote out of edit history. The problem is its repetition of the same error. We neither want a visible " [
sic]" twice in the same quote (looks like we're mocking the speaker), nor do we want to silently use a quotation that has multiple such errors (especially the same one twice in a row), since it makes us look like we don't have any sense ourselves in choosing quotations that are encyclopedic, instead of just annoying blather. This one was bad enough that one should just paraphrase instead of quote directly. PS: I support both editors' unusually single-minded cleanup efforts when it comes to prose written in WP's own voice. Many uses of "comprised of" are confusing and ignorant, as is nonsense like "awareness around" and "centered around". God[s]speed both of you. But see lead at
WP:MOS: "If a style or similar debate becomes intractable, see if a rewrite can make the issue moot.". This very frequently applies to squabbles over
{{
sic}}
. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼
17:51, 17 August 2015 (UTC)StoneJamison's linkedin profile lists him as an employee of the Naropa University President's Office during and after the tenure of Stuart C. Lord, revealing a lack of objectivity. My edits were reverted by him several times. Donalds ( talk) 11:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)