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"They are considered the pioneers in the popularization of Christian Rock music".
Mmmmmm.... I think that title belongs to Larry Norman, who pioneered Christian Rock in the late 1960's.... more than 15 years before. See wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Norman
Perhaps the wording should be changed to "the pioneers of Christian metal," or if that is too POV, simply "pioneers" without "the." - KB 22:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd have to disagree. Stryper were popularizers of Christian Rock, considering that 'To Hell with the Devil' remains the highest selling Christian album of all time, over twenty years after its original release.
CaptnSpandex 23:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Why was the information about the Stryper biography replaced with stuff about people thinking heavy metal was "close" to "satanic music?"
CaptnSpandex 23:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps something should be said about the credibility of the band? It's no secret that Stryper had MANY critics for trying to combine religious ideas that are predominantly about conformity and living by a strict set of rules, with a musical style that has always been active in pushing the boundaries, promoting free-will, and rebellion against power in the wrong hands.
The band didn't just have critics from one side of the argument either. As already suggested in the article, some religious groups saw them as being too close to the bands they were trying to counter, and my perception was that the majority of rock fans saw them as having little artistic credibilty in a rebelious musical genre such as Heavy Metal, due to their religious stance.
Of course the paragraph would have to be written in a balanced way, otherwise it could be construed as personal opinion (and therefore not valid for an encyclopedia) ... however there must be countless archive articles, tv shows, interviews etc that can be cited to give an overall view of the band's standing inside the context of the 80's rock/metal world, and the religious world.
-- Compost 17:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow, because what you just said isn't full of a hell of a lot more POV than the article itself, right? If you even bothered to read the article there is stuff about the controversy anyways. Seriously you need to actually read things first and see what is in the article, and if you already did then maybe you just need to grow up. About them not having "artistic merit", they were pretty popular and have just as much "artistic merit" as pretty much any other glam metal group of their time. -- E tac 20:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I am unsure about what he meant by credibility as well, It seems he is just pushing his own POV because controversies are already part of the article. -- E tac 05:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
as being someone who grew up in the '80's metal scene' in hollywood, i can tell you for a FACT that the members of stryper were anything but 'christian.' in fact, it is well-known in the industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.98.167 ( talk) 06:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I am taking issue with "Dial-the-truth" ministries being cited as BOTH a "music critic" and a "religious group".
I'm not being anti-Christian here, but I really think Dial-the-truth citations should be removed from this page, or at least minimalized to a great degree. No one in the music business would accept them as legitimate "music critics". Also, they are a very small minority, a single organization...as such, you should not cite THEIR OPINIONS and extrapolte them to represent the opinions of "religious groups" (For instance, I wouldn't create a blog, put my personal opinions on it, then cite my opinion on Wikipedia as representative of the opinions of "heavy metal fans").
The only reason to cite the Dial-the-Truth ministry website in this article would be to verify that, "Dial-the-Truth ministries has criticized Stryper..."
Get it? Now, if no one objects (or if no one does it themselves), I'll eventually scrub or re-work the poor sourcing in this article. So, if you object, speak up now, please. Ynot4tony ( talk) 20:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if the entire paragraph that includes the info on KYLE should be removed or put in a separate section (or at least the more personal information should be added to M. Sweet's page?)
I did edit the 2nd sentence and added a 3rd, since unfortunately her cancer has returned.
"Sweet's wife Kyle had been diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer, and the new album was put on hold so that he could care for his family and ailing wife. She underwent surgery and treatment from February 14 to July 14, eventually resulting in her complete, although brief, recovery and restored health. In April, 2008, Kyle announced that her cancer had returned as of October 2007."
I'm a newbie and do not know how to put in references or citations so if anyone wants to help out with that, it would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.43.127 ( talk) 06:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Had to break the bad news about Kyle passing away. A link to the official Stryper page was added, as the frontpage has been replaced with a memorial for her. Very sad.
CaptnSpandex ( talk) 22:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I have heard that they were a response to the band W.A.S.P.. Any truth in this?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 11:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Out of respect for her and her family, I don't think it is a good idea, to place an article or add in a section about Kylie in this article on Wikipedia. The woman is very ill and we don't know how long she will live. I think it is a good idea to leave her alone in peace. I have been a fan of Stryper for a long time and I really do hope she recovers from her illness.
I have also added this comment on the talk page of Michael Sweet. 27 December 2008. Anriz
Current WWE superstar Chris Jericho as stated numerous times throughout his auto-biography, and the begs the question: Why isn't it noted? -- L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 17:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I restored the opening to something earlier because I had to roll my eyes at what I saw. UnBlack metal?
Anyways before it gets changed I think there has to be some sort of agreement on what needs to be said for the opening. I'm going to spend some time trying to come up with something but don't expect it soon.
If anyone wants to take it on please do, I would just ask that it really summarizes the article and the band and is a good lead. No opinion please. OfficialDoughboy ( talk) 08:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Alright I did a re-write that I hope is agreeable with others. Feel free to correct what you think is wrong. I was just hoping to get some guidelines from others before doing this. OfficialDoughboy ( talk) 16:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm hoping for some guidance but I'm thinking of cleaning up the article and would like some guidance. What are the main problems with the article, specifically what sections need the most work? I'm thinking first that the trivia section could be put into the legacy section of the page. Second I was thinking of adding a section on controversies for the band, such as the mexican incident and attacks from religious leaders in the 80s. Also a minor one but a section on Tim Gaines and his history with the band. Any thoughts or guidance? Yes I'm looking at you Walter and Cindamuse. OfficialDoughboy ( talk) 16:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
These are only ideas to drop in your head as you work on the article. Take what you will and toss the rest aside. In that vein, mention should be made of the participation of Oz Fox as lead vocalist when Sweet left to start a solo career. The Fox article needs updated as well. Current statements in the lead indicate that he left the band in 1992. There are also crystal ball comments included. I'll leave the editing of the Fox article to another person due to conflict of interest. Cindamuse ( talk) 22:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC) Cindamuse ( talk) 23:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Why was the entry regarding Stryper not returning the 55,000 dollars they stole from Mexico removed? Whoever edited that out sounds like they are afraid of the truth that Stryper, like Christianity are frauds.
It was added, with source to back up the fact and it was removed. Guess you Stryper fans don't want anyone to know the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.98.15 ( talk) 00:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
"Swaggart's condemnation may not have been a surprise, however, as Stryper was supported by the rival Jim Bakker ministries, who are thanked on several Stryper albums."
Can you say POV?? I am not a fan of either Swaggart or Bakker, but this seems to be opinion, not within the POV rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.188.242 ( talk) 18:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I hadn't heard this before, but besides the "stripes" reference in the Bible verse, allmusic says that Stryper is also an acronym, standing for "Salvation Through Redemption Yielding Peace, Encouragement, and Righteousness". There should be a source out there that says that. Shocking Blue ( talk) 18:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
In the "Music and Image" section of the article, it says the name of the band is "a direct reference to the whiplash scourges given by Pontius Pilate to Jesus, derived from the King James Version of the Bible's Isaiah 53:5." However, the scourging of Jesus is in the New Testament, while the Isaiah 53:5 passage is in the Old Testament. Personally, I've never read an interview with the band where they reference anything but the Isaiah passage as the inspiration for the band's name. Seems like this should be edited to clarify. Caspianrex ( talk) 16:58, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Including the history of the Roxx Regime into this article is not appropriate. While it can, and should be discussed, they are different bands just as Feedback or The Hype are discussed but not included in the history of U2. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
shouldn't be there. Primergrey ( talk) 18:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
So, there's an Internet meme going around that Ted Cruz is the lead singer of Stryper. There might be some vandalism here as a result, much like there has been over at the Zodiac Killer page. Henrymrx ( t· c) 22:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
According to an interview with Michael Sweet neither Doug Adrich or C.C. Deville ever joined the band.Stop adding them.link to the interview http://www.annecarlini.com/ex_interviews.php?id=1197
Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 03:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Why can't King James (band) and Boston (band) be associated acts? King James had Robert and Tim while Boston had Michael and has Tracy. JJsCat ( talk) 17:39, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
When should a new page for this album be created? Now or wait until the album releases? JJsCat ( talk) 19:53, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a track list and release date. Michael Sweet posted it on the band's and his personal Twitter account. JJsCat ( talk) 20:27, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Stryper is listed as a Christian Metal band and that is incorrect according to Michael Sweet. He prefers being called a metal band consisting of Christians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chastaindragon ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
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"They are considered the pioneers in the popularization of Christian Rock music".
Mmmmmm.... I think that title belongs to Larry Norman, who pioneered Christian Rock in the late 1960's.... more than 15 years before. See wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Norman
Perhaps the wording should be changed to "the pioneers of Christian metal," or if that is too POV, simply "pioneers" without "the." - KB 22:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I'd have to disagree. Stryper were popularizers of Christian Rock, considering that 'To Hell with the Devil' remains the highest selling Christian album of all time, over twenty years after its original release.
CaptnSpandex 23:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Why was the information about the Stryper biography replaced with stuff about people thinking heavy metal was "close" to "satanic music?"
CaptnSpandex 23:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps something should be said about the credibility of the band? It's no secret that Stryper had MANY critics for trying to combine religious ideas that are predominantly about conformity and living by a strict set of rules, with a musical style that has always been active in pushing the boundaries, promoting free-will, and rebellion against power in the wrong hands.
The band didn't just have critics from one side of the argument either. As already suggested in the article, some religious groups saw them as being too close to the bands they were trying to counter, and my perception was that the majority of rock fans saw them as having little artistic credibilty in a rebelious musical genre such as Heavy Metal, due to their religious stance.
Of course the paragraph would have to be written in a balanced way, otherwise it could be construed as personal opinion (and therefore not valid for an encyclopedia) ... however there must be countless archive articles, tv shows, interviews etc that can be cited to give an overall view of the band's standing inside the context of the 80's rock/metal world, and the religious world.
-- Compost 17:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow, because what you just said isn't full of a hell of a lot more POV than the article itself, right? If you even bothered to read the article there is stuff about the controversy anyways. Seriously you need to actually read things first and see what is in the article, and if you already did then maybe you just need to grow up. About them not having "artistic merit", they were pretty popular and have just as much "artistic merit" as pretty much any other glam metal group of their time. -- E tac 20:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I am unsure about what he meant by credibility as well, It seems he is just pushing his own POV because controversies are already part of the article. -- E tac 05:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
as being someone who grew up in the '80's metal scene' in hollywood, i can tell you for a FACT that the members of stryper were anything but 'christian.' in fact, it is well-known in the industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.98.167 ( talk) 06:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
I am taking issue with "Dial-the-truth" ministries being cited as BOTH a "music critic" and a "religious group".
I'm not being anti-Christian here, but I really think Dial-the-truth citations should be removed from this page, or at least minimalized to a great degree. No one in the music business would accept them as legitimate "music critics". Also, they are a very small minority, a single organization...as such, you should not cite THEIR OPINIONS and extrapolte them to represent the opinions of "religious groups" (For instance, I wouldn't create a blog, put my personal opinions on it, then cite my opinion on Wikipedia as representative of the opinions of "heavy metal fans").
The only reason to cite the Dial-the-Truth ministry website in this article would be to verify that, "Dial-the-Truth ministries has criticized Stryper..."
Get it? Now, if no one objects (or if no one does it themselves), I'll eventually scrub or re-work the poor sourcing in this article. So, if you object, speak up now, please. Ynot4tony ( talk) 20:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if the entire paragraph that includes the info on KYLE should be removed or put in a separate section (or at least the more personal information should be added to M. Sweet's page?)
I did edit the 2nd sentence and added a 3rd, since unfortunately her cancer has returned.
"Sweet's wife Kyle had been diagnosed with stage four ovarian cancer, and the new album was put on hold so that he could care for his family and ailing wife. She underwent surgery and treatment from February 14 to July 14, eventually resulting in her complete, although brief, recovery and restored health. In April, 2008, Kyle announced that her cancer had returned as of October 2007."
I'm a newbie and do not know how to put in references or citations so if anyone wants to help out with that, it would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.229.43.127 ( talk) 06:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Had to break the bad news about Kyle passing away. A link to the official Stryper page was added, as the frontpage has been replaced with a memorial for her. Very sad.
CaptnSpandex ( talk) 22:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I have heard that they were a response to the band W.A.S.P.. Any truth in this?-- Jack Upland ( talk) 11:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Out of respect for her and her family, I don't think it is a good idea, to place an article or add in a section about Kylie in this article on Wikipedia. The woman is very ill and we don't know how long she will live. I think it is a good idea to leave her alone in peace. I have been a fan of Stryper for a long time and I really do hope she recovers from her illness.
I have also added this comment on the talk page of Michael Sweet. 27 December 2008. Anriz
Current WWE superstar Chris Jericho as stated numerous times throughout his auto-biography, and the begs the question: Why isn't it noted? -- L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 17:27, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
I restored the opening to something earlier because I had to roll my eyes at what I saw. UnBlack metal?
Anyways before it gets changed I think there has to be some sort of agreement on what needs to be said for the opening. I'm going to spend some time trying to come up with something but don't expect it soon.
If anyone wants to take it on please do, I would just ask that it really summarizes the article and the band and is a good lead. No opinion please. OfficialDoughboy ( talk) 08:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Alright I did a re-write that I hope is agreeable with others. Feel free to correct what you think is wrong. I was just hoping to get some guidelines from others before doing this. OfficialDoughboy ( talk) 16:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm hoping for some guidance but I'm thinking of cleaning up the article and would like some guidance. What are the main problems with the article, specifically what sections need the most work? I'm thinking first that the trivia section could be put into the legacy section of the page. Second I was thinking of adding a section on controversies for the band, such as the mexican incident and attacks from religious leaders in the 80s. Also a minor one but a section on Tim Gaines and his history with the band. Any thoughts or guidance? Yes I'm looking at you Walter and Cindamuse. OfficialDoughboy ( talk) 16:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
These are only ideas to drop in your head as you work on the article. Take what you will and toss the rest aside. In that vein, mention should be made of the participation of Oz Fox as lead vocalist when Sweet left to start a solo career. The Fox article needs updated as well. Current statements in the lead indicate that he left the band in 1992. There are also crystal ball comments included. I'll leave the editing of the Fox article to another person due to conflict of interest. Cindamuse ( talk) 22:34, 4 August 2010 (UTC) Cindamuse ( talk) 23:07, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Why was the entry regarding Stryper not returning the 55,000 dollars they stole from Mexico removed? Whoever edited that out sounds like they are afraid of the truth that Stryper, like Christianity are frauds.
It was added, with source to back up the fact and it was removed. Guess you Stryper fans don't want anyone to know the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.98.15 ( talk) 00:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
"Swaggart's condemnation may not have been a surprise, however, as Stryper was supported by the rival Jim Bakker ministries, who are thanked on several Stryper albums."
Can you say POV?? I am not a fan of either Swaggart or Bakker, but this seems to be opinion, not within the POV rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.188.242 ( talk) 18:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I hadn't heard this before, but besides the "stripes" reference in the Bible verse, allmusic says that Stryper is also an acronym, standing for "Salvation Through Redemption Yielding Peace, Encouragement, and Righteousness". There should be a source out there that says that. Shocking Blue ( talk) 18:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
In the "Music and Image" section of the article, it says the name of the band is "a direct reference to the whiplash scourges given by Pontius Pilate to Jesus, derived from the King James Version of the Bible's Isaiah 53:5." However, the scourging of Jesus is in the New Testament, while the Isaiah 53:5 passage is in the Old Testament. Personally, I've never read an interview with the band where they reference anything but the Isaiah passage as the inspiration for the band's name. Seems like this should be edited to clarify. Caspianrex ( talk) 16:58, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Including the history of the Roxx Regime into this article is not appropriate. While it can, and should be discussed, they are different bands just as Feedback or The Hype are discussed but not included in the history of U2. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 06:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
shouldn't be there. Primergrey ( talk) 18:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
So, there's an Internet meme going around that Ted Cruz is the lead singer of Stryper. There might be some vandalism here as a result, much like there has been over at the Zodiac Killer page. Henrymrx ( t· c) 22:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
According to an interview with Michael Sweet neither Doug Adrich or C.C. Deville ever joined the band.Stop adding them.link to the interview http://www.annecarlini.com/ex_interviews.php?id=1197
Chris "WarMachineWildThing" ( talk) 03:47, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Why can't King James (band) and Boston (band) be associated acts? King James had Robert and Tim while Boston had Michael and has Tracy. JJsCat ( talk) 17:39, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
When should a new page for this album be created? Now or wait until the album releases? JJsCat ( talk) 19:53, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a track list and release date. Michael Sweet posted it on the band's and his personal Twitter account. JJsCat ( talk) 20:27, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Stryper is listed as a Christian Metal band and that is incorrect according to Michael Sweet. He prefers being called a metal band consisting of Christians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chastaindragon ( talk • contribs) 18:37, 29 December 2019 (UTC)