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Would it make sense to create a single article covering all of the New Orleans streetcars (St. Charles, Canal St., Riverfront) in one article? -- Jfruh 15:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I just added an expanded Riverfront text. It's my first Wikipedia contribution, so if I did anything wrong, please clue me in. -- HGFriedman ( talk) 17:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
As we don't yet have anything on " ammonia engine" or " ammonia motor", this link has some interesting relevent info. -- Infrogmation 01:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
In the History section, I find: "During World War II, a few old mule drawn cars were returned to service on a few shorter lines as an energy saving measure."
I'm pretty knowledgeable about New Orleans streetcars, but I don't think I've ever heard this before. I cannot find any mention of it in Hennick & Charleton's book. Frankly, I doubt that it is true.
Can anyone say where this item came from, or verify its accuracy?
HGFriedman ( talk) 18:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, it's been almost three weeks, and no one has responded. I have removed the quoted sentence. If anyone can verify the fact of mule cars being used in N. O. during WW II, I would be glad to have the item restored.
HGFriedman ( talk) 22:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just created an article on the Strausberg Railway in Germany, by translating the WP:DE article on the same subject. Unless I've got my translation hopelessly wrong, the Strausberg Railway owns a Czech built prototype Tatra T6C5 tramcar that it acquired from Siemens in 2005. And apparently this car was previously in New Orleans, presumably as part of an attempt to sell such cars to the RTA. Can anybody confirm this, or add any details?. -- Starbois ( talk) 18:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I oppose the suggested merge of Streetcars in New Orleans into New Orleans Regional Transit Authority proposed by 72.204.147.63 ( talk · contribs). Reasons: Topics are related but not identical. Streetcars in New Orleans have a long history dating back some 150 years before the creation of the NO RTA. Both articles have substantial content, and both have potential for substantial expansion. -- Infrogmation ( talk) 15:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed that this article makes no mention of the current construction and plans for streetcar expansion. I recently improved an existing section about street car expansion on the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority page. I think either the section I wrote should be moved to this page or that this page needs a similar section. Any thoughts? Argonius2 ( talk) 23:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Should there be more updated history? There seems to be an over emphasis on the history of the streetcars. Zospence3 ( talk) 15:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has five infoboxes, it seems a little excessive and pushes photos quite far down the page. This means that there's no space for photos for most of the "Current lines". Three infoboxes are about rollingstock, and at the top of the page are completely out of context, I think we should eliminate them, the info they contain is better suited to a table in the "Current rolling stock" section. The map could be moved into the main info box and the "St. Charles Streetcar Line" would sit next to the section it relates to. If I don't see any objections in the next few days I'm going to go ahead and make the changes. Liamdavies ( talk) 12:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Infrogmation! Is the map a little more correct now HGFriedman? If not I'll have to try again (I hope to get it right one day). It would be nice to get a bit more history into this article, does anyone know a good source? Liamdavies ( talk) 14:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, I finally bit this bullet and wrote something in the History section. More could be written; less could be written. I hope I've made some kind of balance. I have not made a lot of links to elsewhere in Wikipedia; perhaps others will wish to add some. HGFriedman ( talk) 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Ckeavy has added to the list of rolling stock that car 966 is preserved at Seashore. While true, this is merely one preserved car out of the following list (from my notes); 832, 836, 850, 913, 918, 919, 924, 952, 957, 959, and 966.
It makes no sense to me to mention 966 and not mention any of the others, so I am going to remove that new line. I would consider putting almost all of these (not 957, since it is mentioned as 457) into a new subsection, but I don't have time now. Opinions? HGFriedman ( talk) 23:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I do not believe RTA uses the 400 series cars any more. They are replicas, not historical, and are not ADA compliant, thus I believe they are not allowed to roll on either the St. Charles line, nor on the newer lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NarrowlyLearned ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
In response to HGFriedman's comment: "I don't feel the need to list a citation for each and every statement made. The point of the citation of Hennick & Charlton at the beginning of the History section was to obviate the need for dozens of individual citations. I think they would make the text very cumbersome to read, and I don't notice such voluminous citations in most Wikipedia articles I read. It would be different if the facts came from many different sources, but there exist very few sources other than Hennick & Charlton's book."
There are no specific guidelines about how many inline citations should be in an article. However, one of the canons is WP: VERIFY. This is a courtesy to readers and it also keeps editors honest and accurate. It allows other editors to make corrections. When you cite a book without a page number, you make it very difficult to verify the source. That's my argument for narrowing the scope of a book cited to a page, a small range of pages, or sometimes a chapter, if it's a short one. Having one or two inline citations per paragraph is not cumbersome, and with the mouse-over feature, the reader does not even scroll down to read the citation. If there's source as good as Hennick and Charlton on this subject, I am not aware of it. But when you cite a 223 page book without page numbers, those are not really verifiable citations. In principle they are still verifiable, but that's making it very hard on readers and other editors.
For anybody following this who is interested in editing the article, we are referring to Streetcars of New Orleans by Louis C. Hennick and E. Harper Charlton, originally published in 1975, but reprinted at least twice. Right now even used copies are expensive, so will some publisher please do another print run? One way to search your area for libraries holding this book is checking WorldCat. Follow the following link and enter your zip code in the box where it says "Enter your location": [1] cheers, Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 22:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC) (edited once by) Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 22:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I have some questions about the Pontchartrain Railroad:
Thanks, Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 20:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The articles seems to imply that all but the St. Charles Streetcar line had been taken out of service by the mid 60's. But the current maps seems to shows several once defunct lines now back in operation but the article does not do a good job of explaining how this came to be. Reading the article I was left with several questions such a:
I would suggest someone knowledgeable enough about N.O. streetcar history create a separate section where we talk more specifically and in depth about the rebuilding of the system to the modern route layout and about the recreation/restoring of once defunct lines. We can include the answers to the above questions in this section or elsewhere in the article, as appropriate. -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 18:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
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Would it make sense to create a single article covering all of the New Orleans streetcars (St. Charles, Canal St., Riverfront) in one article? -- Jfruh 15:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I just added an expanded Riverfront text. It's my first Wikipedia contribution, so if I did anything wrong, please clue me in. -- HGFriedman ( talk) 17:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
As we don't yet have anything on " ammonia engine" or " ammonia motor", this link has some interesting relevent info. -- Infrogmation 01:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
In the History section, I find: "During World War II, a few old mule drawn cars were returned to service on a few shorter lines as an energy saving measure."
I'm pretty knowledgeable about New Orleans streetcars, but I don't think I've ever heard this before. I cannot find any mention of it in Hennick & Charleton's book. Frankly, I doubt that it is true.
Can anyone say where this item came from, or verify its accuracy?
HGFriedman ( talk) 18:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, it's been almost three weeks, and no one has responded. I have removed the quoted sentence. If anyone can verify the fact of mule cars being used in N. O. during WW II, I would be glad to have the item restored.
HGFriedman ( talk) 22:36, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I've just created an article on the Strausberg Railway in Germany, by translating the WP:DE article on the same subject. Unless I've got my translation hopelessly wrong, the Strausberg Railway owns a Czech built prototype Tatra T6C5 tramcar that it acquired from Siemens in 2005. And apparently this car was previously in New Orleans, presumably as part of an attempt to sell such cars to the RTA. Can anybody confirm this, or add any details?. -- Starbois ( talk) 18:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I oppose the suggested merge of Streetcars in New Orleans into New Orleans Regional Transit Authority proposed by 72.204.147.63 ( talk · contribs). Reasons: Topics are related but not identical. Streetcars in New Orleans have a long history dating back some 150 years before the creation of the NO RTA. Both articles have substantial content, and both have potential for substantial expansion. -- Infrogmation ( talk) 15:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
I have noticed that this article makes no mention of the current construction and plans for streetcar expansion. I recently improved an existing section about street car expansion on the New Orleans Regional Transit Authority page. I think either the section I wrote should be moved to this page or that this page needs a similar section. Any thoughts? Argonius2 ( talk) 23:19, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Should there be more updated history? There seems to be an over emphasis on the history of the streetcars. Zospence3 ( talk) 15:11, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has five infoboxes, it seems a little excessive and pushes photos quite far down the page. This means that there's no space for photos for most of the "Current lines". Three infoboxes are about rollingstock, and at the top of the page are completely out of context, I think we should eliminate them, the info they contain is better suited to a table in the "Current rolling stock" section. The map could be moved into the main info box and the "St. Charles Streetcar Line" would sit next to the section it relates to. If I don't see any objections in the next few days I'm going to go ahead and make the changes. Liamdavies ( talk) 12:42, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Infrogmation! Is the map a little more correct now HGFriedman? If not I'll have to try again (I hope to get it right one day). It would be nice to get a bit more history into this article, does anyone know a good source? Liamdavies ( talk) 14:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Well, I finally bit this bullet and wrote something in the History section. More could be written; less could be written. I hope I've made some kind of balance. I have not made a lot of links to elsewhere in Wikipedia; perhaps others will wish to add some. HGFriedman ( talk) 20:06, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Ckeavy has added to the list of rolling stock that car 966 is preserved at Seashore. While true, this is merely one preserved car out of the following list (from my notes); 832, 836, 850, 913, 918, 919, 924, 952, 957, 959, and 966.
It makes no sense to me to mention 966 and not mention any of the others, so I am going to remove that new line. I would consider putting almost all of these (not 957, since it is mentioned as 457) into a new subsection, but I don't have time now. Opinions? HGFriedman ( talk) 23:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
I do not believe RTA uses the 400 series cars any more. They are replicas, not historical, and are not ADA compliant, thus I believe they are not allowed to roll on either the St. Charles line, nor on the newer lines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NarrowlyLearned ( talk • contribs) 18:14, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
In response to HGFriedman's comment: "I don't feel the need to list a citation for each and every statement made. The point of the citation of Hennick & Charlton at the beginning of the History section was to obviate the need for dozens of individual citations. I think they would make the text very cumbersome to read, and I don't notice such voluminous citations in most Wikipedia articles I read. It would be different if the facts came from many different sources, but there exist very few sources other than Hennick & Charlton's book."
There are no specific guidelines about how many inline citations should be in an article. However, one of the canons is WP: VERIFY. This is a courtesy to readers and it also keeps editors honest and accurate. It allows other editors to make corrections. When you cite a book without a page number, you make it very difficult to verify the source. That's my argument for narrowing the scope of a book cited to a page, a small range of pages, or sometimes a chapter, if it's a short one. Having one or two inline citations per paragraph is not cumbersome, and with the mouse-over feature, the reader does not even scroll down to read the citation. If there's source as good as Hennick and Charlton on this subject, I am not aware of it. But when you cite a 223 page book without page numbers, those are not really verifiable citations. In principle they are still verifiable, but that's making it very hard on readers and other editors.
For anybody following this who is interested in editing the article, we are referring to Streetcars of New Orleans by Louis C. Hennick and E. Harper Charlton, originally published in 1975, but reprinted at least twice. Right now even used copies are expensive, so will some publisher please do another print run? One way to search your area for libraries holding this book is checking WorldCat. Follow the following link and enter your zip code in the box where it says "Enter your location": [1] cheers, Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 22:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC) (edited once by) Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 22:04, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I have some questions about the Pontchartrain Railroad:
Thanks, Oldsanfelipe ( talk) 20:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
The articles seems to imply that all but the St. Charles Streetcar line had been taken out of service by the mid 60's. But the current maps seems to shows several once defunct lines now back in operation but the article does not do a good job of explaining how this came to be. Reading the article I was left with several questions such a:
I would suggest someone knowledgeable enough about N.O. streetcar history create a separate section where we talk more specifically and in depth about the rebuilding of the system to the modern route layout and about the recreation/restoring of once defunct lines. We can include the answers to the above questions in this section or elsewhere in the article, as appropriate. -- Notcharliechaplin ( talk) 18:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC)