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I deleted this: "and schools. (rev) Laqueur, Walter; Baumel, Judith Tydor (2001). The Holocaust encyclopedia. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-08432-0. page needed{ (/ref) }" since the source posted doesn't say anything about schools.
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Photograph of U.S. Consolidated B-24 Liberators just after bombing the Concordia Vega oil refinery in Ploiești, Romania on 31 May 1944 during World War II. Strategic bombing during World War II involved sustained aerial attacks on railways, harbours, cities, workers' and civilian housing, and industrial districts in enemy territory during World War II (1939–1945). Strategic bombing as a military strategy is distinct both from close air support of ground forces and from tactical air power. During World War II, many military strategists of air power believed that air forces could win major victories by attacking industrial and political infrastructure, rather than purely military targets. Strategic bombing often involved bombing areas inhabited by civilians, and some campaigns were deliberately designed to target civilian populations in order to terrorize them and disrupt their usual activities. International law at the outset of World War II did not specifically forbid the aerial bombardment of cities – despite the prior occurrence of such bombing during World War I (1914–1918), the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939), and the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945). Photograph credit: Richard R. Ganczak ; restored by Buidhe
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An unregistered editor deleted the following statement: "The number of German civilians estimated to die of strategic bombing, about 500,000, is about the same as Germans who died of Nazi repression from 1933 to 1945." [1]
I restored it, changed the grammar, and moved it to the section on Casualties where it more logically belongs. The editor's edit summary stated that the comparison is "spurious, argumentative, and irrelevant." However, if the source is accurately quoted then it does make this comparison.The question is whether such a comparson is useful and belongs in a general article of this kind. Also note the different estimate of civilian deaths in this source.
Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 04:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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About 500,000 Germans were killed by their own regime, or by their compatriots, between 1933 and 1945 – including about 180,000 disabled people and 165,000 Jews. See Pohl 2003 , esp. pp. 35, 109. The number of Germans who fell victim to their own regime equaled the number of German civilian victims of Allied aerial bombing.
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I deleted this: "and schools. (rev) Laqueur, Walter; Baumel, Judith Tydor (2001). The Holocaust encyclopedia. Yale University Press. ISBN 978-0-300-08432-0. page needed{ (/ref) }" since the source posted doesn't say anything about schools.
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect American bombing raid and has thus listed it at redirects for discussion. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 23#American bombing raid until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed, Rosguill talk 20:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Hello! This is to let editors know that File:Bombing of Concordia Vega oil refinery in Ploești by USAAF B-24s, 31 May 1944 — restored.jpg, a featured picture used in this article, has been selected as the English Wikipedia's picture of the day (POTD) for November 5, 2022. A preview of the POTD is displayed below and can be edited at Template:POTD/2022-11-05. For the greater benefit of readers, any potential improvements or maintenance that could benefit the quality of this article should be done before its scheduled appearance on the Main Page. If you have any concerns, please place a message at Wikipedia talk:Picture of the day. Thank you! Adam Cuerden ( talk)Has about 7.9% of all FPs 09:38, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Photograph of U.S. Consolidated B-24 Liberators just after bombing the Concordia Vega oil refinery in Ploiești, Romania on 31 May 1944 during World War II. Strategic bombing during World War II involved sustained aerial attacks on railways, harbours, cities, workers' and civilian housing, and industrial districts in enemy territory during World War II (1939–1945). Strategic bombing as a military strategy is distinct both from close air support of ground forces and from tactical air power. During World War II, many military strategists of air power believed that air forces could win major victories by attacking industrial and political infrastructure, rather than purely military targets. Strategic bombing often involved bombing areas inhabited by civilians, and some campaigns were deliberately designed to target civilian populations in order to terrorize them and disrupt their usual activities. International law at the outset of World War II did not specifically forbid the aerial bombardment of cities – despite the prior occurrence of such bombing during World War I (1914–1918), the Spanish Civil War (1936–1939), and the Second Sino-Japanese War (1937–1945). Photograph credit: Richard R. Ganczak ; restored by Buidhe
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Hello all,
An unregistered editor deleted the following statement: "The number of German civilians estimated to die of strategic bombing, about 500,000, is about the same as Germans who died of Nazi repression from 1933 to 1945." [1]
I restored it, changed the grammar, and moved it to the section on Casualties where it more logically belongs. The editor's edit summary stated that the comparison is "spurious, argumentative, and irrelevant." However, if the source is accurately quoted then it does make this comparison.The question is whether such a comparson is useful and belongs in a general article of this kind. Also note the different estimate of civilian deaths in this source.
Happy to discuss. Aemilius Adolphin ( talk) 04:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
References
About 500,000 Germans were killed by their own regime, or by their compatriots, between 1933 and 1945 – including about 180,000 disabled people and 165,000 Jews. See Pohl 2003 , esp. pp. 35, 109. The number of Germans who fell victim to their own regime equaled the number of German civilian victims of Allied aerial bombing.