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This article has no mentioning of the reason as to why the strait was named Gibraltar(Jebel Tariq) because of the Muslim leader Tariq ibn Ziyad, if anyone could provide with such information it will be very useful. NoPity2 ( talk) 08:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Its my understanding that the Strait is named after the Rock, and it is the Rock that is named after Tariq. Thus, that particular discussion may be considered irrelevant in this article. Frunobulax ( talk) 20:58, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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What is the potential of this strait and others being used as a source for generating hydroelectricity? With the currents being so powerfull, any size power plant can be constructed to generate electricity silimar to a wind mill, but underwater. Because the strait is so large, Spain and Morocco could build huge hydroelectric plants at the sides that would potentially provide power for hundreds of thousands of homes without much environmental impact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nadyes ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
You're not the first person to think of this: The idea was extensively elaborated by Hermann Soergel in his Atlantropa or Panropa project. However, I agree that this article should at least mention this. Thomas.Hedden ( talk) 14:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The first line of this person states that "The Strait of Gibraltar is the strait that separates the Atlantic Ocean from the Mediterranean Sea." However, the article about the Mediterranean Sea seems to regard that Sea as part of the Atlantic. Maybe this is just a minor issue of wording, or maybe it's just me that even cares about this :p but isn't that contradicting? :) ( RagingR2 22:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC))
i've often thought the same thing about morecambe bay in england. these things are apparently easy enough to do, but these ideas just don't happen 86.148.5.19 21:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The main problem is the water will evaporate and the salinity of the sea will greatly increase over time. It has been thought of before "In 1929 Hermann Sorgel proposed using a Gibraltar dam to let the Mediterranean evaporate down 50 meters below its current level. The resulting basin could be tapped for hydroelectric power to make the Sahara bloom". Mantion ( talk) 10:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The Med is an area of original water production, and extraneous water input, and so it should be regarded as separate from the Atlantic. It is also not a part of the Atlantic's Sverdrup balance, but has it's own distinct western and eastern boundaries. Shallow and salty Adriatic water subducts to the bottom of the Ionian trench. Fresher water also comes from river inputs from the Black Sea and caps the subducting Adriatic water. Salty Med water leaves the Sea and upon entering the Atlantic sinks to some 2300m and stays put. This large "tear drop" of salty water is referred to as Meddy water. 115.64.240.228 ( talk) 02:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Often referred to as "Straits of Gibraltar" e.g. http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/about_gib/geography/gibmap.htm anyone know which one is official!? User:Mintguy
You're working from the common misconception that "strait" originally meant "a narrow body of water." It actually meant "a tight space" or "a narrow space" and began to be extended to water passages around the late 1300s.
As a 14th-century boat progressed up a narrow passage between two larger bodies of water - slowly by modern standards - it encountered a whole series of "straits" in the 14th-century sense of the word. This is why a single narrow passage of water is often referred to as "straits." This usage is preserved in the names of several such passages and is emphatically not a result of poor geography. -- Steven Capsuto
So, by chance rather than intent, six years after the above discussion, I moved to Morocco and now speak passable Darija (Moroccan Arabic), and can now confirm that the Moroccans also refer to the "Strait" in the singular as "The Gate of the West". Thus, both the Spanish and the Moroccans, whose shores geographically form the Strait of Gibraltar, refer to the strait in the singular; and with that foundation, the decision to "singularize" the name in this article and across Wikipedia is fully justified. So, who writes that "bot"? CarlitosCorazon 16:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharleyHart ( talk • contribs)
For Hogweard... Didn't follow your reference to map-makers in Virginia but in response to your comment about the "entire English-speaking world"... They also routinely spell the country of "Colombia" as "Columbia". Are you suggesting the Colombians should as well? Or that the English-speaking world gets to decide how words are spelled or used in non-English-speaking countries... Like Spain or Morocco? If so, please change your user name to Howweird... 'Cause I think that sounds better. CarlitosCorazon 17:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharleyHart ( talk • contribs)
On Google Ngram from 1800 to date Straits of Gibraltar is nearly always the more popular term, ie not Strait of Gibraltar. Also The OED under 'strait' gives the example 'The Straits of Gibraltar'. In British English the Straits is by far the better known form. I think that this term should have equal billing with Strait. Llamawright ( talk) 16:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
This article may benefit from the picture at http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA03397 -- Joy [shallot] 15:24, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
The article mentions that a barrage could be created to hold in the Mediterranean sea, but the mediterranean sea already has a sea-level lock-less channel to the red sea. So it would have to be locked here as well.
I don't understand why the article says "would dwarf any existing bridge in height (over 900 metres) and length (15 km)". The article for the Bering Strait Bridge, as well as the article for the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway both list the LPC as having a length of 38.42 km long. This is FAR longer than 15 km. We should revise this statement. Maybe just include height? User:cathenryinc
Hello!
I disagree with this statement:
I would argue exactly the opposite was the case, as quoted from http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/439:
I believe this topic requires an expert on the subject.
Yuser31415 06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I've edited this part of the text, figured I should mention it here.
During the Second World War, German U-boats used the currents to pass in and out of the Mediterranean Sea without detection, by maintaining silence with engines off.
The rest of the paragraph goes on to explain that the U-boats were only able to enter the Mediterranean, not exit, so I've changed that to be "used the currents to pass into the Mediterranean...". I'm not an expert on these currents, but I thought this should agree with the rest of the paragraph. Drunaii ( talk) 22:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, during WWII Italians submarines forced the Strait 45 times with no losess (back and forward), in immersion or navigating in surface during 1940-1942. The first submarine able to enter Atlantic Ocean going all the way long in immersion was the VENIERO, the 7th of July 1940. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.14.112.202 ( talk) 14:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Alantropa was a plan to damn the Strait and produce electricity and develop Africa, Should we add a section about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mantion ( talk • contribs) 10:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello, during WWII Italians submarines forced the Strait 45 times with no losess (back and forward), in immersion or navigating in surface during 1940-1942. The first submarine able to enter Atlantic Ocean going all the way long in immersion was the VENIERO, the 7th of July 1940.
Has been over 6 months. has been moved to talk page. Please expand soon. Vinh1000 ( talk) 13:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if it's because of vandalism, but the article stated that "the British part of the Strait is protected under the El Estrecho Natural Park" when it is not true. I've changed it to say "The Iberian side of the strait is protected under the El Estrecho Natural Park".
A map can be found here. Feel free to include it in the Natural Park's article, as I think it is in the Wikipedia Commons. Cremallera ( talk) 00:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Reading the history of the article I see it's clearly vandalism. I'll leave it as it always has been: "The Spanish side of the strait is protected under the El Estrecho Natural Park". Cremallera ( talk) 00:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
By the way, I've adressed the citation tag pending on this statement "Due to its location, the strait is widely used for illegal immigration from Africa to Europe". Cremallera ( talk) 00:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The article says that the first human inhabitants were Neanderthals. Are Neanderthals classified as human? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 ( talk) 15:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Are there " ...salt mines now found under the sea floor all over the Mediterranean..."? Salted is mined beneath the floor of the Sea? How do they get the salt to the surface? Gimelgort 22:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gimelgort ( talk • contribs)
The Strait's depth ranges between 300 and 900 metres... which possibly interacted with the lower mean sea level of the last major glaciation. Really no idea what is meant by this sentence. I wonder if someone who knows what is being alluded to might rephrase it suitably? C0pernicus ( talk) 11:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
AN import metric for oceanography is the sill depth, which has not been stated in the article. It is the maximum water depth for which any water path of constant depth can be traced through the strait. 115.64.240.228 ( talk) 02:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The reference we have for the Latin name Fretum Gaditanum is weak. I have seen Fretum Herculeum is used in medieval sources, but I can't find in my limited searches that it was used by the Romans. Are we sure what the Romans used? -- Error ( talk) 10:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I sought this information within the wiki article on the Strait of Gibraltar but it was not there. So I resewrched using maps and found the two points on each respective continrnt that equals 14 miles, but someone deleted my edit saying that these places don't exist. If you are going to say that Soain is 14 miles from Morocco, understand that that implies there are two soecific piints between which you are measuring. People might wonder out of curiosity exactly where on these ciasts can one stand to be 14 miles from the other point, zs I did. I see no reason to keep this information secret. It would enhance the value of the page and its usefulness to include this detail. So why try and hide this location's identity from the public as one editor seems to want to do? Zengalileo ( talk) 23:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
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This article has no mentioning of the reason as to why the strait was named Gibraltar(Jebel Tariq) because of the Muslim leader Tariq ibn Ziyad, if anyone could provide with such information it will be very useful. NoPity2 ( talk) 08:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Its my understanding that the Strait is named after the Rock, and it is the Rock that is named after Tariq. Thus, that particular discussion may be considered irrelevant in this article. Frunobulax ( talk) 20:58, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
References
What is the potential of this strait and others being used as a source for generating hydroelectricity? With the currents being so powerfull, any size power plant can be constructed to generate electricity silimar to a wind mill, but underwater. Because the strait is so large, Spain and Morocco could build huge hydroelectric plants at the sides that would potentially provide power for hundreds of thousands of homes without much environmental impact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nadyes ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
You're not the first person to think of this: The idea was extensively elaborated by Hermann Soergel in his Atlantropa or Panropa project. However, I agree that this article should at least mention this. Thomas.Hedden ( talk) 14:51, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
The first line of this person states that "The Strait of Gibraltar is the strait that separates the Atlantic Ocean from the Mediterranean Sea." However, the article about the Mediterranean Sea seems to regard that Sea as part of the Atlantic. Maybe this is just a minor issue of wording, or maybe it's just me that even cares about this :p but isn't that contradicting? :) ( RagingR2 22:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC))
i've often thought the same thing about morecambe bay in england. these things are apparently easy enough to do, but these ideas just don't happen 86.148.5.19 21:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The main problem is the water will evaporate and the salinity of the sea will greatly increase over time. It has been thought of before "In 1929 Hermann Sorgel proposed using a Gibraltar dam to let the Mediterranean evaporate down 50 meters below its current level. The resulting basin could be tapped for hydroelectric power to make the Sahara bloom". Mantion ( talk) 10:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
The Med is an area of original water production, and extraneous water input, and so it should be regarded as separate from the Atlantic. It is also not a part of the Atlantic's Sverdrup balance, but has it's own distinct western and eastern boundaries. Shallow and salty Adriatic water subducts to the bottom of the Ionian trench. Fresher water also comes from river inputs from the Black Sea and caps the subducting Adriatic water. Salty Med water leaves the Sea and upon entering the Atlantic sinks to some 2300m and stays put. This large "tear drop" of salty water is referred to as Meddy water. 115.64.240.228 ( talk) 02:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
Often referred to as "Straits of Gibraltar" e.g. http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/about_gib/geography/gibmap.htm anyone know which one is official!? User:Mintguy
You're working from the common misconception that "strait" originally meant "a narrow body of water." It actually meant "a tight space" or "a narrow space" and began to be extended to water passages around the late 1300s.
As a 14th-century boat progressed up a narrow passage between two larger bodies of water - slowly by modern standards - it encountered a whole series of "straits" in the 14th-century sense of the word. This is why a single narrow passage of water is often referred to as "straits." This usage is preserved in the names of several such passages and is emphatically not a result of poor geography. -- Steven Capsuto
So, by chance rather than intent, six years after the above discussion, I moved to Morocco and now speak passable Darija (Moroccan Arabic), and can now confirm that the Moroccans also refer to the "Strait" in the singular as "The Gate of the West". Thus, both the Spanish and the Moroccans, whose shores geographically form the Strait of Gibraltar, refer to the strait in the singular; and with that foundation, the decision to "singularize" the name in this article and across Wikipedia is fully justified. So, who writes that "bot"? CarlitosCorazon 16:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharleyHart ( talk • contribs)
For Hogweard... Didn't follow your reference to map-makers in Virginia but in response to your comment about the "entire English-speaking world"... They also routinely spell the country of "Colombia" as "Columbia". Are you suggesting the Colombians should as well? Or that the English-speaking world gets to decide how words are spelled or used in non-English-speaking countries... Like Spain or Morocco? If so, please change your user name to Howweird... 'Cause I think that sounds better. CarlitosCorazon 17:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CharleyHart ( talk • contribs)
On Google Ngram from 1800 to date Straits of Gibraltar is nearly always the more popular term, ie not Strait of Gibraltar. Also The OED under 'strait' gives the example 'The Straits of Gibraltar'. In British English the Straits is by far the better known form. I think that this term should have equal billing with Strait. Llamawright ( talk) 16:29, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
This article may benefit from the picture at http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA03397 -- Joy [shallot] 15:24, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
The article mentions that a barrage could be created to hold in the Mediterranean sea, but the mediterranean sea already has a sea-level lock-less channel to the red sea. So it would have to be locked here as well.
I don't understand why the article says "would dwarf any existing bridge in height (over 900 metres) and length (15 km)". The article for the Bering Strait Bridge, as well as the article for the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway both list the LPC as having a length of 38.42 km long. This is FAR longer than 15 km. We should revise this statement. Maybe just include height? User:cathenryinc
Hello!
I disagree with this statement:
I would argue exactly the opposite was the case, as quoted from http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/439:
I believe this topic requires an expert on the subject.
Yuser31415 06:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I've edited this part of the text, figured I should mention it here.
During the Second World War, German U-boats used the currents to pass in and out of the Mediterranean Sea without detection, by maintaining silence with engines off.
The rest of the paragraph goes on to explain that the U-boats were only able to enter the Mediterranean, not exit, so I've changed that to be "used the currents to pass into the Mediterranean...". I'm not an expert on these currents, but I thought this should agree with the rest of the paragraph. Drunaii ( talk) 22:40, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello, during WWII Italians submarines forced the Strait 45 times with no losess (back and forward), in immersion or navigating in surface during 1940-1942. The first submarine able to enter Atlantic Ocean going all the way long in immersion was the VENIERO, the 7th of July 1940. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.14.112.202 ( talk) 14:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Alantropa was a plan to damn the Strait and produce electricity and develop Africa, Should we add a section about this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mantion ( talk • contribs) 10:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello, during WWII Italians submarines forced the Strait 45 times with no losess (back and forward), in immersion or navigating in surface during 1940-1942. The first submarine able to enter Atlantic Ocean going all the way long in immersion was the VENIERO, the 7th of July 1940.
Has been over 6 months. has been moved to talk page. Please expand soon. Vinh1000 ( talk) 13:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if it's because of vandalism, but the article stated that "the British part of the Strait is protected under the El Estrecho Natural Park" when it is not true. I've changed it to say "The Iberian side of the strait is protected under the El Estrecho Natural Park".
A map can be found here. Feel free to include it in the Natural Park's article, as I think it is in the Wikipedia Commons. Cremallera ( talk) 00:06, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Reading the history of the article I see it's clearly vandalism. I'll leave it as it always has been: "The Spanish side of the strait is protected under the El Estrecho Natural Park". Cremallera ( talk) 00:25, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
By the way, I've adressed the citation tag pending on this statement "Due to its location, the strait is widely used for illegal immigration from Africa to Europe". Cremallera ( talk) 00:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
The article says that the first human inhabitants were Neanderthals. Are Neanderthals classified as human? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.252.4.21 ( talk) 15:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
Are there " ...salt mines now found under the sea floor all over the Mediterranean..."? Salted is mined beneath the floor of the Sea? How do they get the salt to the surface? Gimelgort 22:11, 31 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gimelgort ( talk • contribs)
The Strait's depth ranges between 300 and 900 metres... which possibly interacted with the lower mean sea level of the last major glaciation. Really no idea what is meant by this sentence. I wonder if someone who knows what is being alluded to might rephrase it suitably? C0pernicus ( talk) 11:12, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
AN import metric for oceanography is the sill depth, which has not been stated in the article. It is the maximum water depth for which any water path of constant depth can be traced through the strait. 115.64.240.228 ( talk) 02:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
The reference we have for the Latin name Fretum Gaditanum is weak. I have seen Fretum Herculeum is used in medieval sources, but I can't find in my limited searches that it was used by the Romans. Are we sure what the Romans used? -- Error ( talk) 10:44, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
I sought this information within the wiki article on the Strait of Gibraltar but it was not there. So I resewrched using maps and found the two points on each respective continrnt that equals 14 miles, but someone deleted my edit saying that these places don't exist. If you are going to say that Soain is 14 miles from Morocco, understand that that implies there are two soecific piints between which you are measuring. People might wonder out of curiosity exactly where on these ciasts can one stand to be 14 miles from the other point, zs I did. I see no reason to keep this information secret. It would enhance the value of the page and its usefulness to include this detail. So why try and hide this location's identity from the public as one editor seems to want to do? Zengalileo ( talk) 23:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)