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Textbot 00:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC) Userbox for "stout drinker" ..is there one ? Can anyone make one ? Grateful any pointers...
There are way too many examples... it would probably be better to list one of each style, along with a link to BeerAdvocate or something. A huge list is not only too much information, but also an invitation to add more. RobLinwood 01:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
At the top of the Guinness article, it says that "...the first use of the word stout in relation to beer was in a letter in the Egerton Manuscript dated 1677..." which is preceded by a very specific rebuttal of the common misconception that Guinness originated the stout style of beer. Can someone cite either of these?
Murphys should not redirect to stout if it is linked in stout.
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I changed some comments about milk stout to point out that lactose is milk sugar. An earlier comment that I left in is that lactose is a by-product of the cheese making process, but I'm not sure that makes sense. In most cheese making, the milk is first curdled by bacteria that change the lactose into lactic acid (then rennet is added to further the curding), so I wouldn't expect cheese making to be the greatest source for lactose. There's probably a better way to derive lactose from milk like curdling it with some other acid source and then skimming off the curds and evaporating it. Anybody? -- Chinasaur 18:24, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The article says that milk stout isn't sold in Britain because of labeling laws, but my local, the Barley Mow, sells bottles of milk stout, brewed by a small local brewer.
A porter is not a variation of stout but visa versa in modern terminology.
The current paragraph is a little conflicted:
Porter is an alternative name for stout. It was originally used in the 18th century. Historically, culturally and technically there are no differences between stout and porter, though there has been a tendency for breweries to differentiate the strengths of their dark beers with the words "extra", "double" and "stout". So the term "stout" was used to indicate a stronger porter than other porters issued by an individual brewery — though one brewery's porter could easily be stronger than a neighbouring brewery's stout. Though not consistent, this is the usage that has most commonly been employed.
Either porter - as the first statement claims - was another word for stout, or stout was an adjective used to describe a certain type of porter, i.e. a stronger one. This distinction is still a distinction if it was used imprecisely (if "one brewery's porter could easily be stronger than a neighbouring brewery's stout" as the article nicely puts it). Put another way: if they really were interchangeable then one and the same breweries standard porter would be the same as there stout porter (and indeed a stout porter would mean a porter porter!). Maybe we could say there's only a 'weak' or 'imprecise' distinction between porter and stout? Dast 00:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Oatmeal Stout is a minor variation of stout. It has a short history. It is better placed in the general article on stout so people can see it in context. I have expanded the section on Oatmeal stout as far as it would be reasonable to go without becoming tedious. I suggest that Oatmeal Stout is redirected to the main Stout article. SilkTork 01:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The main content of the Imperial stout page is only a single paragraph plus an infobox. People looking for information would be better served on a single article with an overview and examples for each style, rather than a separate article for each. There isn't much danger of this article becoming too long, and much of the content between this article and the individual style articles is redundant. RobLinwood 01:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I support RJSampson's assessment. Imperial Stout is vastly different from other Stout substyles interms of flavor profile, original gravity, history, etc. It is at least as distinct from "Stout" as IPA's are distinct from "Pale Ale".
I have brought in Baltic porter. Attached here is a list of examples from the original article. The most notable of these examples may be worked into the Baltic porter section with explanations of why they are notable:
SilkTork 09:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
As with Baltic porter, here are a hoard of brands from which a few notable examples, with explanations, may be included in the relevant section.
SilkTork
10:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
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Before, I was sure that stout was a variety of lager, but when I brought that up relating to a mistake on the Beer talkpage, at least two people there said stout was ale. Well, is it?-- Metalhead94 ( talk) 10:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Textbot 00:21, 23 December 2006 (UTC) Userbox for "stout drinker" ..is there one ? Can anyone make one ? Grateful any pointers...
There are way too many examples... it would probably be better to list one of each style, along with a link to BeerAdvocate or something. A huge list is not only too much information, but also an invitation to add more. RobLinwood 01:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
At the top of the Guinness article, it says that "...the first use of the word stout in relation to beer was in a letter in the Egerton Manuscript dated 1677..." which is preceded by a very specific rebuttal of the common misconception that Guinness originated the stout style of beer. Can someone cite either of these?
Murphys should not redirect to stout if it is linked in stout.
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I changed some comments about milk stout to point out that lactose is milk sugar. An earlier comment that I left in is that lactose is a by-product of the cheese making process, but I'm not sure that makes sense. In most cheese making, the milk is first curdled by bacteria that change the lactose into lactic acid (then rennet is added to further the curding), so I wouldn't expect cheese making to be the greatest source for lactose. There's probably a better way to derive lactose from milk like curdling it with some other acid source and then skimming off the curds and evaporating it. Anybody? -- Chinasaur 18:24, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The article says that milk stout isn't sold in Britain because of labeling laws, but my local, the Barley Mow, sells bottles of milk stout, brewed by a small local brewer.
A porter is not a variation of stout but visa versa in modern terminology.
The current paragraph is a little conflicted:
Porter is an alternative name for stout. It was originally used in the 18th century. Historically, culturally and technically there are no differences between stout and porter, though there has been a tendency for breweries to differentiate the strengths of their dark beers with the words "extra", "double" and "stout". So the term "stout" was used to indicate a stronger porter than other porters issued by an individual brewery — though one brewery's porter could easily be stronger than a neighbouring brewery's stout. Though not consistent, this is the usage that has most commonly been employed.
Either porter - as the first statement claims - was another word for stout, or stout was an adjective used to describe a certain type of porter, i.e. a stronger one. This distinction is still a distinction if it was used imprecisely (if "one brewery's porter could easily be stronger than a neighbouring brewery's stout" as the article nicely puts it). Put another way: if they really were interchangeable then one and the same breweries standard porter would be the same as there stout porter (and indeed a stout porter would mean a porter porter!). Maybe we could say there's only a 'weak' or 'imprecise' distinction between porter and stout? Dast 00:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Oatmeal Stout is a minor variation of stout. It has a short history. It is better placed in the general article on stout so people can see it in context. I have expanded the section on Oatmeal stout as far as it would be reasonable to go without becoming tedious. I suggest that Oatmeal Stout is redirected to the main Stout article. SilkTork 01:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The main content of the Imperial stout page is only a single paragraph plus an infobox. People looking for information would be better served on a single article with an overview and examples for each style, rather than a separate article for each. There isn't much danger of this article becoming too long, and much of the content between this article and the individual style articles is redundant. RobLinwood 01:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I support RJSampson's assessment. Imperial Stout is vastly different from other Stout substyles interms of flavor profile, original gravity, history, etc. It is at least as distinct from "Stout" as IPA's are distinct from "Pale Ale".
I have brought in Baltic porter. Attached here is a list of examples from the original article. The most notable of these examples may be worked into the Baltic porter section with explanations of why they are notable:
SilkTork 09:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
As with Baltic porter, here are a hoard of brands from which a few notable examples, with explanations, may be included in the relevant section.
SilkTork
10:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
This article talk page was automatically added with {{ WikiProject Food and drink}} banner as it falls under Category:Food or one of its subcategories. If you find this addition an error, Kindly undo the changes and update the inappropriate categories if needed. The bot was instructed to tagg these articles upon consenus from WikiProject Food and drink. You can find the related request for tagging here . Maximum and careful attention was done to avoid any wrongly tagging any categories , but mistakes may happen... If you have concerns , please inform on the project talk page -- TinucherianBot ( talk) 04:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Before, I was sure that stout was a variety of lager, but when I brought that up relating to a mistake on the Beer talkpage, at least two people there said stout was ale. Well, is it?-- Metalhead94 ( talk) 10:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)