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Why is it that some non-English speaking countries use stop signs with the English word "STOP," instead of their linguistic equivalent?...unless of course these countries adopted the English word. Two examples: Germany and Italy. I don't believe "stop" is a German word, and I highly doubt it's Italian, but often times the English word "STOP" appears on stop signs in these countries. Anyone know why? 98.221.131.77 ( talk) 23:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Good question. The word STOP has quite an universal recognition, even for people who wouldn't speak english. I know that in French, the word was officially accepted in the language and their STOP signs still display the familiar "Stop" word. In Quebec, however (where I live), "stop" is considered an anglicism, (and would even be considered offensive by some) so the stop sign display the french word "Arrêt" instead. It all depends on the socio-political reality of the various cultures or countries, I guess. --Dez26 18:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
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I disagree that the octagon shape is used because it "allows drivers facing the back of the sign to identify that oncoming drivers have a stop sign and prevent confusion with other traffic signs. It was also chosen so that it could be identified easily at night, since the original signs were not reflective.". The reason for the octagon shape is because if it's ever covered e.g. with mud, snow or leaves, then it's still obvious what it means. Also, when visibility is poor (e.g. in fog), the shape can be made out if not the writing, so again it'll be obvious that it's a stop sign. "allows drivers facing the back of the sign to identify that oncoming drivers have a stop sign" doesn't make a lick of sense. Drivers do not need to know what signs the drivers on the opposite side of the road are seeing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.112.129 ( talk) 17:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
The New York Times also reports that the number of sides of a sign would signify how dangerous the warning was (8 sided stop is more important then the 4 sided square informational signs) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/11/magazine/stop-sign.html Robin the Bobbin ( talk) 21:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Are Francophone countries in Africa solely using “STOP” on their signs or do they have any deviations from the standard? -- sion8 Contributions | Tᴀʟᴋ ᴘᴀɢᴇ 06:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I have gone through and done a big cleanup. Removed parentheticals and personal essay text, fixed grammar and syntax, rectified units, put in appropriate section headings and subheadings, rectified flow of information, image placement and captions and chronology, removed dead wikilinks and added appropriate live ones, added a subsection on school bus stop signs, consolidated the secondary images into a gallery, tagged unsupported assertions, and added applicable templates. We very badly need more documentary support from reliable sources in this article. Shouldn't be hard to find it in the MUTCD and the appropriate UNECE standards, amongst others. There's a ref to a very relevant MUTCD section here on the talk page; I'm about to go incorporate it into the article. Work still to be done includes, primarily, removing external links per the WP:EL policy. Those external links that can serve as referenced reliable sources per WP:CITE need to be incorporated as such; the others need to go away. — Scheinwerfermann ( talk) 16:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The section regarding school buses states, "...required by law on North American school buses." Even if we exclude the island nations and territories, there are still many countries in North America. Is it true that Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador and the others all imposed this law? I suspect that by "North America," the author of this entry meant the USA and Canada (and possibly Mexico). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.2.126 ( talk) 16:57, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
A 1980s National Geographic featured a photo of a New Guinea "ol kar mas stop sapos yu lukim red pela mak" sign. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) ( talk) 15:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
For the gallery section, would it be better to have only SVGs for each example, but include in each caption a link to the photo image (By way of a source to proove the images aren't just made up)? 76.117.247.55 ( talk) 01:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
How would one go about legalizing these? It would save a lot of jerking about in the car and is just as safe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 ( talk) 23:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
For whomever decides to tackle this section expansion, here are some (unfortunately US-centric) refs:
I've not got time to do anything with them myself unfortunately. Nik the stoned 15:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I took the description at face value and hope the illustrations I recently contributed agree with it. However, I've never seen a photograph of one that has actually been installed by a road crew or property manager. The closest image Google seems to come up with is the pre-1954 American octagon. knoodelhed ( talk) 06:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
This article seems to be written in a rather... political manner in some places. The section on North America even goes so far as to accuse stop signs at highways as having negative effects on freedom of speech. First, I just wanted to make sure everyone had the opportunity to enjoy the fact that someone felt so passionately about stop signs. Second, I think we should discuss maybe cleaning up some of the more vitriolic language in this article. Thoughts? JMike93 ( talk) 01:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I also found the North America section to be a lengthy one-sided argument AGAINST stop signs, instead of a simple explanation (that they are ubiquitously used at every street corner). Sounds like an anti-US bias trying to criticize rather than explain. This is all opinion backed by a tiny group of studies (two outside the US and seemingly pointless) that have virtually no effect. Dfoofnik ( talk) 05:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. I added a POV tag to that section. Motorracer ( talk) 20:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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I've come across a picture with a stop sign in Iceland that is written as STANZ instead of STANS. I think it was around 1974 that the letter Z was dropped from the Icelandic language so it would make sense that the signs would read STANZ instead of STANS. Not sure how to reference this as I don;t think the picture is open source and I oonly have one at hand that has a stop sign in it. Lotsofmagnets ( talk) 01:48, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
The text "The unique eight-sided shape of the sign allows drivers facing the back of the sign to identify that oncoming drivers have a stop sign and prevent confusion with other traffic signs" shouldn't need a citation. It's an obvious fact, such as "Because the card has been face down at all points in the game thus far, the players have no idea what the card is". Would THAT be tagged with "according to whom"? If the text had said "... was intentionally designed so that drivers from the sign's other side can tell that it can only be a stop-sign and not any other sign", then, yes, the fact of its being intentional WOULD need a citation. But if traffic-signs have the shapes they have, and only one is an octagon, and human minds have the powers of reasoning that we know them to have, the imaginary world in which it is NOT true that the sign allows drivers not facing its front to identify it is simply not a possible world that can actually exist. The statement being thus INEVITABLY true, it should not have been flagged. Nor should it have been omitted just for being inevitably true. It's a worthwhile thing to have pointed out. 74.64.105.76 ( talk) 01:43, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
Under "Stop signs around the world", it says: "Portuguese-speaking countries with the exception of Brazil use the standard version of the sign".
But this isn't a very satisfactory answer, because it doesn't describe Portuguese-speaking people's opinion of "the standard version of a stop sign". (I know what *I* think a standard stop sign is - but it's not a good idea to let me dictate other countries' road signs!) :) TooManyFingers ( talk) 06:56, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion this section isn't named correctly. It discusses some specific difficulties or pitfalls of intersection design and stop sign placement, their effects on safety, and how to mitigate those difficulties. A better name would probably be "Details of installation".
A section called "Disadvantages", if there is one, should IMO be dedicated to reasons why a correctly installed stop sign is counterproductive or dangerous under certain circumstances, or problems that can be caused by the presence of a correctly installed stop sign - in other words, situations in which stop signs are inherently a bad idea, not just tricky to install. TooManyFingers ( talk) 08:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Also in 1914, Detroit police sergeant Harry Jackson cut the corners off a square sign to create an easily recognized octagonal shape for the first red stop sign or “boulevard stop.” Using the octagon was a brilliant stroke, since its unique shape facilitated recognition, especially by fast-moving motorists.24 The Motor Club of Michigan, which financed the installation, placed the signs to halt cross-street traffic on a boulevard to the suburbs. This installation may have just reinforced existing right-of-way practice. Kansas City, Missouri, and Chicago had earlier required side-street traffic to yield the right of way to cars on suburban parkways.25 Right-of-way ordinances had proven inadequate, in part because strangers crossing a boulevard or parkway might not know the right-of-way rule. Stop signs worked better and rapidly came into use at corners on major arteries where cross traffic seemed too light to justify a traffic cop.
https://sites.tufts.edu/carscultureplace2010/files/2010/09/McShane-traffic-signals-1999.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sermart1234 ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Anong sakuna ang pinipigilan ng stop sign 223.25.60.125 ( talk) 04:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
The source used to support crediting Harry Jackson as inventor of the first stop sign credits him with no more than creating the first red stop sign. 😃😃😃😃 — 2600:8800:7000:13B:B253:2534:B241:74DD ( talk) 05:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Why is it that some non-English speaking countries use stop signs with the English word "STOP," instead of their linguistic equivalent?...unless of course these countries adopted the English word. Two examples: Germany and Italy. I don't believe "stop" is a German word, and I highly doubt it's Italian, but often times the English word "STOP" appears on stop signs in these countries. Anyone know why? 98.221.131.77 ( talk) 23:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Good question. The word STOP has quite an universal recognition, even for people who wouldn't speak english. I know that in French, the word was officially accepted in the language and their STOP signs still display the familiar "Stop" word. In Quebec, however (where I live), "stop" is considered an anglicism, (and would even be considered offensive by some) so the stop sign display the french word "Arrêt" instead. It all depends on the socio-political reality of the various cultures or countries, I guess. --Dez26 18:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC) —Preceding
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I disagree that the octagon shape is used because it "allows drivers facing the back of the sign to identify that oncoming drivers have a stop sign and prevent confusion with other traffic signs. It was also chosen so that it could be identified easily at night, since the original signs were not reflective.". The reason for the octagon shape is because if it's ever covered e.g. with mud, snow or leaves, then it's still obvious what it means. Also, when visibility is poor (e.g. in fog), the shape can be made out if not the writing, so again it'll be obvious that it's a stop sign. "allows drivers facing the back of the sign to identify that oncoming drivers have a stop sign" doesn't make a lick of sense. Drivers do not need to know what signs the drivers on the opposite side of the road are seeing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.189.112.129 ( talk) 17:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
The New York Times also reports that the number of sides of a sign would signify how dangerous the warning was (8 sided stop is more important then the 4 sided square informational signs) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/11/magazine/stop-sign.html Robin the Bobbin ( talk) 21:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
Are Francophone countries in Africa solely using “STOP” on their signs or do they have any deviations from the standard? -- sion8 Contributions | Tᴀʟᴋ ᴘᴀɢᴇ 06:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I have gone through and done a big cleanup. Removed parentheticals and personal essay text, fixed grammar and syntax, rectified units, put in appropriate section headings and subheadings, rectified flow of information, image placement and captions and chronology, removed dead wikilinks and added appropriate live ones, added a subsection on school bus stop signs, consolidated the secondary images into a gallery, tagged unsupported assertions, and added applicable templates. We very badly need more documentary support from reliable sources in this article. Shouldn't be hard to find it in the MUTCD and the appropriate UNECE standards, amongst others. There's a ref to a very relevant MUTCD section here on the talk page; I'm about to go incorporate it into the article. Work still to be done includes, primarily, removing external links per the WP:EL policy. Those external links that can serve as referenced reliable sources per WP:CITE need to be incorporated as such; the others need to go away. — Scheinwerfermann ( talk) 16:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The section regarding school buses states, "...required by law on North American school buses." Even if we exclude the island nations and territories, there are still many countries in North America. Is it true that Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador and the others all imposed this law? I suspect that by "North America," the author of this entry meant the USA and Canada (and possibly Mexico). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.2.126 ( talk) 16:57, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
A 1980s National Geographic featured a photo of a New Guinea "ol kar mas stop sapos yu lukim red pela mak" sign. Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) ( talk) 15:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
For the gallery section, would it be better to have only SVGs for each example, but include in each caption a link to the photo image (By way of a source to proove the images aren't just made up)? 76.117.247.55 ( talk) 01:25, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
How would one go about legalizing these? It would save a lot of jerking about in the car and is just as safe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 ( talk) 23:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
For whomever decides to tackle this section expansion, here are some (unfortunately US-centric) refs:
I've not got time to do anything with them myself unfortunately. Nik the stoned 15:01, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I took the description at face value and hope the illustrations I recently contributed agree with it. However, I've never seen a photograph of one that has actually been installed by a road crew or property manager. The closest image Google seems to come up with is the pre-1954 American octagon. knoodelhed ( talk) 06:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
This article seems to be written in a rather... political manner in some places. The section on North America even goes so far as to accuse stop signs at highways as having negative effects on freedom of speech. First, I just wanted to make sure everyone had the opportunity to enjoy the fact that someone felt so passionately about stop signs. Second, I think we should discuss maybe cleaning up some of the more vitriolic language in this article. Thoughts? JMike93 ( talk) 01:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I also found the North America section to be a lengthy one-sided argument AGAINST stop signs, instead of a simple explanation (that they are ubiquitously used at every street corner). Sounds like an anti-US bias trying to criticize rather than explain. This is all opinion backed by a tiny group of studies (two outside the US and seemingly pointless) that have virtually no effect. Dfoofnik ( talk) 05:53, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. I added a POV tag to that section. Motorracer ( talk) 20:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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I've come across a picture with a stop sign in Iceland that is written as STANZ instead of STANS. I think it was around 1974 that the letter Z was dropped from the Icelandic language so it would make sense that the signs would read STANZ instead of STANS. Not sure how to reference this as I don;t think the picture is open source and I oonly have one at hand that has a stop sign in it. Lotsofmagnets ( talk) 01:48, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
The text "The unique eight-sided shape of the sign allows drivers facing the back of the sign to identify that oncoming drivers have a stop sign and prevent confusion with other traffic signs" shouldn't need a citation. It's an obvious fact, such as "Because the card has been face down at all points in the game thus far, the players have no idea what the card is". Would THAT be tagged with "according to whom"? If the text had said "... was intentionally designed so that drivers from the sign's other side can tell that it can only be a stop-sign and not any other sign", then, yes, the fact of its being intentional WOULD need a citation. But if traffic-signs have the shapes they have, and only one is an octagon, and human minds have the powers of reasoning that we know them to have, the imaginary world in which it is NOT true that the sign allows drivers not facing its front to identify it is simply not a possible world that can actually exist. The statement being thus INEVITABLY true, it should not have been flagged. Nor should it have been omitted just for being inevitably true. It's a worthwhile thing to have pointed out. 74.64.105.76 ( talk) 01:43, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
Under "Stop signs around the world", it says: "Portuguese-speaking countries with the exception of Brazil use the standard version of the sign".
But this isn't a very satisfactory answer, because it doesn't describe Portuguese-speaking people's opinion of "the standard version of a stop sign". (I know what *I* think a standard stop sign is - but it's not a good idea to let me dictate other countries' road signs!) :) TooManyFingers ( talk) 06:56, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion this section isn't named correctly. It discusses some specific difficulties or pitfalls of intersection design and stop sign placement, their effects on safety, and how to mitigate those difficulties. A better name would probably be "Details of installation".
A section called "Disadvantages", if there is one, should IMO be dedicated to reasons why a correctly installed stop sign is counterproductive or dangerous under certain circumstances, or problems that can be caused by the presence of a correctly installed stop sign - in other words, situations in which stop signs are inherently a bad idea, not just tricky to install. TooManyFingers ( talk) 08:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Also in 1914, Detroit police sergeant Harry Jackson cut the corners off a square sign to create an easily recognized octagonal shape for the first red stop sign or “boulevard stop.” Using the octagon was a brilliant stroke, since its unique shape facilitated recognition, especially by fast-moving motorists.24 The Motor Club of Michigan, which financed the installation, placed the signs to halt cross-street traffic on a boulevard to the suburbs. This installation may have just reinforced existing right-of-way practice. Kansas City, Missouri, and Chicago had earlier required side-street traffic to yield the right of way to cars on suburban parkways.25 Right-of-way ordinances had proven inadequate, in part because strangers crossing a boulevard or parkway might not know the right-of-way rule. Stop signs worked better and rapidly came into use at corners on major arteries where cross traffic seemed too light to justify a traffic cop.
https://sites.tufts.edu/carscultureplace2010/files/2010/09/McShane-traffic-signals-1999.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sermart1234 ( talk • contribs) 19:20, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Anong sakuna ang pinipigilan ng stop sign 223.25.60.125 ( talk) 04:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
The source used to support crediting Harry Jackson as inventor of the first stop sign credits him with no more than creating the first red stop sign. 😃😃😃😃 — 2600:8800:7000:13B:B253:2534:B241:74DD ( talk) 05:29, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Should the stop sign Unicode character be discussed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.55.54.51 ( talk) 18:37, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
The redirect
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