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The paragraph on the Kiswani episode seemed to include some odd details for this page; at any rate, as it stood, 107 of the 318 words in entire page's body seemed, for better or worse, to be pushing Kiswani's perspective, which is neither DUE nor NPOV (what is more, the Kiswani quote seems quite clearly to be MANDY). I also tried to make more accurate the claims motivating the "anti-Semite of the year" "award", which were not limited to the sweatshirt incident. Taking a look at the page as a whole, it still seems as if this incident gets more than DUE would suggest (again, for better or worse, the Ilhan Omar event did not get less coverage, but merits only a sentence); this is hardly the end of the world, but it is worth observing. As always, very happy to discuss this further here -- Publius In The 21st Century ( talk) 02:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
For continuity, a discussion surrounding TruthPrevailsFinally ( talk · contribs) COI edits and edit requests at User_talk:Macaddct1984#StopAntisemitism_section -- MacAddct1984 ( talk | contribs) 16:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
The proof for this organization's "unmasking" is their own tweet and this pretty basic website, which reproduces that tweet, so I'm thinking that all these SPIs ( MarcoMiller2 and User:Markman222222222) might have something to do with the organization. (I would like to congratulate Markman on his extraordinary quick learning process.) Besides that, NOTNEWS applies. Drmies ( talk) 02:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Can StopAntisemitism be used as a reliable source for the purpose of BLP?
Pro: Generally rely on other reliable sources, over 5 years old, no history of misinformation
Con: some degree of bias/political leaning FortunateSons ( talk) 21:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
It seems that the page, aside from conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism, omits Liora Rez doxxing numerous people on her official StopAntisemitism account for protesting Israel's genocide of Palestinians. The account has done this numerous times, claiming that protesting Israel's actions is antisemitic, and has engaged in making racist remarks. Why aren't these controversies on the page? Lobsel Vith ( talk) 03:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't think one or two news articles that mention them in passing are sufficient to include the names of specific living individuals who were targeted by StopAntisemitism here; some of them fall under WP:BLP1E and WP:AVOIDVICTIM, and either way there simply isn't enough encyclopedic significance to their specific names in this article to override that and justify inclusion. -- Aquillion ( talk) 02:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
quotations embody the breezy, emotive style common in fiction and some journalism, which is generally not suited to encyclopedic writing; beyond that, your insistence that a quote highlighted in a single source gives me pause, because it feels like you're trying to add them in order to make an argument that they deserved to be targeted or to justify StopAntisemitism's actions, which is misusing the source (it certainly does not present them that way.) If these are really as important and central as you claim, then multiple other sources should mention them, surely? Otherwise, why pull those particular quotes out of the piece and not eg.
a high school basketball coach who wore a shirt with a watermelon, a symbol of solidarity with the Palestinian cause, to a gameor
Marzouca, who lives in Los Angeles and uses they/them pronouns, said StopAntisemitism’s X post triggered a stream of threats. People emailed Marzouca saying they deserved to be sent to Gaza to die and criticizing their appearance, with one person calling them a “disgusting, manipulative rat”- something the source gives equal weight in terms of context. More broadly, we determine what's important context based on coverage; a few quotes pulled from a single source that was using them in a different way doesn't really meet that standard. -- Aquillion ( talk) 20:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I think there is a lot of overlap between this article and WP:ARBPIA. I actually did a cursory search and this site seems to take positions a little more on the I-P conflict. I tried finding sources as well; there is this Washington Post article from recently, as well as this press release that is reposted on Yahoo, Business Insider, etc. I think this question may be better suited for WP:AE but I am not sure.
In any case I think the intro needs reworking. The WashPost article I linked to ties the organization to Adam and Gila Milstein Family Foundation; we do need to find more sources for this or, failing that, drop the "focused on combating antisemitism" part because that needs WP:V.
I also did searches for Liora Rez, one of the BLPs associated with this, and aside from the Washington Post article, found this Fox News piece rebutting that. But we already have kind of established WP:FOXNEWS so it should be used with caution. Awesome Aasim 23:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
A proponent of new antisemitism, which is wrong no matter what perspective you take - the intent is probably to say that they're a proponent of the definition of new antisemitism rather than promoting antisemitism themselves, but we lack a source that could be used to reword it properly. EDIT: I took a rough stab at rewriting it. YNET, whose coverage could reasonably be described as sympathetic, describes them as an advocacy org and just notes that they're privately funded, so I went with that and summarized what seemed to be the main points of the rest of our sources. That said, I think it's fine to describe Rez as the CEO based on coverage in eg. YNET and such - we can assume they verified basic things like whether she was actually the CEO! -- Aquillion ( talk) 22:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Edits made since 19 July by Steven1991 have made the article more biased. I was considering reverting the changes, but I didn't want to do it without discussion, and I don't feel like getting in an edit war with him. Zartog1022 ( talk) 05:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
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The paragraph on the Kiswani episode seemed to include some odd details for this page; at any rate, as it stood, 107 of the 318 words in entire page's body seemed, for better or worse, to be pushing Kiswani's perspective, which is neither DUE nor NPOV (what is more, the Kiswani quote seems quite clearly to be MANDY). I also tried to make more accurate the claims motivating the "anti-Semite of the year" "award", which were not limited to the sweatshirt incident. Taking a look at the page as a whole, it still seems as if this incident gets more than DUE would suggest (again, for better or worse, the Ilhan Omar event did not get less coverage, but merits only a sentence); this is hardly the end of the world, but it is worth observing. As always, very happy to discuss this further here -- Publius In The 21st Century ( talk) 02:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
For continuity, a discussion surrounding TruthPrevailsFinally ( talk · contribs) COI edits and edit requests at User_talk:Macaddct1984#StopAntisemitism_section -- MacAddct1984 ( talk | contribs) 16:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
The proof for this organization's "unmasking" is their own tweet and this pretty basic website, which reproduces that tweet, so I'm thinking that all these SPIs ( MarcoMiller2 and User:Markman222222222) might have something to do with the organization. (I would like to congratulate Markman on his extraordinary quick learning process.) Besides that, NOTNEWS applies. Drmies ( talk) 02:28, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Can StopAntisemitism be used as a reliable source for the purpose of BLP?
Pro: Generally rely on other reliable sources, over 5 years old, no history of misinformation
Con: some degree of bias/political leaning FortunateSons ( talk) 21:40, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
It seems that the page, aside from conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism, omits Liora Rez doxxing numerous people on her official StopAntisemitism account for protesting Israel's genocide of Palestinians. The account has done this numerous times, claiming that protesting Israel's actions is antisemitic, and has engaged in making racist remarks. Why aren't these controversies on the page? Lobsel Vith ( talk) 03:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't think one or two news articles that mention them in passing are sufficient to include the names of specific living individuals who were targeted by StopAntisemitism here; some of them fall under WP:BLP1E and WP:AVOIDVICTIM, and either way there simply isn't enough encyclopedic significance to their specific names in this article to override that and justify inclusion. -- Aquillion ( talk) 02:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
quotations embody the breezy, emotive style common in fiction and some journalism, which is generally not suited to encyclopedic writing; beyond that, your insistence that a quote highlighted in a single source gives me pause, because it feels like you're trying to add them in order to make an argument that they deserved to be targeted or to justify StopAntisemitism's actions, which is misusing the source (it certainly does not present them that way.) If these are really as important and central as you claim, then multiple other sources should mention them, surely? Otherwise, why pull those particular quotes out of the piece and not eg.
a high school basketball coach who wore a shirt with a watermelon, a symbol of solidarity with the Palestinian cause, to a gameor
Marzouca, who lives in Los Angeles and uses they/them pronouns, said StopAntisemitism’s X post triggered a stream of threats. People emailed Marzouca saying they deserved to be sent to Gaza to die and criticizing their appearance, with one person calling them a “disgusting, manipulative rat”- something the source gives equal weight in terms of context. More broadly, we determine what's important context based on coverage; a few quotes pulled from a single source that was using them in a different way doesn't really meet that standard. -- Aquillion ( talk) 20:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I think there is a lot of overlap between this article and WP:ARBPIA. I actually did a cursory search and this site seems to take positions a little more on the I-P conflict. I tried finding sources as well; there is this Washington Post article from recently, as well as this press release that is reposted on Yahoo, Business Insider, etc. I think this question may be better suited for WP:AE but I am not sure.
In any case I think the intro needs reworking. The WashPost article I linked to ties the organization to Adam and Gila Milstein Family Foundation; we do need to find more sources for this or, failing that, drop the "focused on combating antisemitism" part because that needs WP:V.
I also did searches for Liora Rez, one of the BLPs associated with this, and aside from the Washington Post article, found this Fox News piece rebutting that. But we already have kind of established WP:FOXNEWS so it should be used with caution. Awesome Aasim 23:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
A proponent of new antisemitism, which is wrong no matter what perspective you take - the intent is probably to say that they're a proponent of the definition of new antisemitism rather than promoting antisemitism themselves, but we lack a source that could be used to reword it properly. EDIT: I took a rough stab at rewriting it. YNET, whose coverage could reasonably be described as sympathetic, describes them as an advocacy org and just notes that they're privately funded, so I went with that and summarized what seemed to be the main points of the rest of our sources. That said, I think it's fine to describe Rez as the CEO based on coverage in eg. YNET and such - we can assume they verified basic things like whether she was actually the CEO! -- Aquillion ( talk) 22:31, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Edits made since 19 July by Steven1991 have made the article more biased. I was considering reverting the changes, but I didn't want to do it without discussion, and I don't feel like getting in an edit war with him. Zartog1022 ( talk) 05:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)