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The population ethnicity figures in the break-out area-statistics box do not match with those given in the body text (which gives the 2001 census figures). The figures in the break-out box are not referenced. 81.156.201.164 ( talk) 04:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
As far as I know the term "The Potteries" refers only to Stoke on Trent (and maybe surrounding villages which are now part of Stoke on Trent, such as Meir) but most certainly not Newcastle Under Lyme. This is certainly what I was taught at school (in Newcastle) and what most of my friends from the area agree with. There is a link to the "Potteries Urban Area" page - this is not something I've ever heard of and with the increasing incidence of people using Wikipedia as their first source of information I think it should be got rid of.
However - didn't want to change it outright in case there is more to the story than this - if there really is some sort of "Potteries Urban Area" which also includes Newcastle then I think it should at least be marked that this is contentious and that many people believe Newcastle not to be part of the Potteries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.211.199 ( talk) 11:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
"image of an industrial northern hellhole" - great line
At 15 miles and half an hours drive, Alton Towers is hardly a 'stones throw'. Sorry, at the time I wrote it, I forgot to sign this little observation, months ago. NoelWalley 13:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I propose an amendment on these lines:
'Stoke-on-Trent (About this sound pronunciation (help·info); often abbreviated to Stoke) is a city in Staffordshire, England, almost 12 miles (19 km) long, with an area of 36 square miles (93 km2). It forms part of a conurbation that also includes Newcastle-under-Lyme and Kidsgrove, and which in terms of population size (364,403) has a ranking of nineteenth in the list of urban area in the United Kingdom.' [link to Wikipedia aticle with this title] This would satisfy the sensitivities of those who do not see Newcastle as part of the Potteries, clarifies the use of the word conurbation, and removes extraneous material about North Staffordshire. If adopted, then the second paragraph would start: 'The city ... Chrisemms ( talk) 17:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
"Although there are actually Six Towns, the city or 'the Potteries' is more well known as the Five Towns - from the books by Arnold Bennett. It has been incorrectly stated this can be seen from the Lord Mayor's car carrying the number plate VT1. The actual registration is 1 VT and has nothing to do with Arnold Bennett and the five towns. The simple explanation is that VT was the registration used for Stoke on Trent (along with EH) in the 1960's - it just so happens that the Lord Mayor has number 1 of the VT registration letters."
The article suffers from a certain amount of trivia, of which three or more lines devoted to the number plate on the Lord Mayor's car is a good example. Blame Arnold Bennett (arguably the Potteries most famous literary son) and cut out those lines or better still explain Bennett properly and the fact that when writing about his native Potteries he changes everything. We can be sure he did not think there were five towns but more likely four or six. There were four boroughs so did he invent a fifth? The Bennett factor needs to be taken into consideration. NoelWalley 13:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC) formerly of Oldcastle!
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On the whole I would agree, and particularly with regard to dates and linkage generally. I would however question the suggestions regarding the following:
What can be said about climate other than that it is British? I think demographics should be used very sparingly. I believe that in the particular circumstances of this rather new city with very old roots and an aging infrastructure, the Famous People section is very valuable and should be retained. Perhaps it should include only people for whom a Wikipedia biography has been developed?
What do others think? NoelWalley 09:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Can't believe there was no mention that the city is in Staffordshire in the opening paragraphs. Yes it may be a unitary authority now, but it's still in the geographical/ceremonial/traditional county of Staffordshire!! David 22:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The article should be changed back -- 2A02:C7F:C802:4000:9CE1:DB77:AFBA:AB86 ( talk) 19:30, 31 May 2016 (BST)
This section was sugested in the recent peer review for deletion. Although I believe it should stay, I think there are problems that should be addressed. I see these, in no particular order, as:
I'm surprised that John Caudwell isn't in the list. Surely one of the most successful people to have been born in Stoke? Beest 09:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Also I see Gareth Burton (sportsman, raconteur, bounder) has been added as a notable person. I suspect this is nonsense, so I will remove him unless someone can elaborate on who he is. Beest 16:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I would dispute the apearance of Lorna Bailey in a list of ceramic artists. I would suggest her work was derivative at best and there is now way she was in the same league as Clarice Cliff. I suggest her name is either removed or th list be broken into the quality artists/designers and then some "alsos". She does have an article to herself but I might go further and suggest that article be deleted. In fact I have just deleted her name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.99.238 ( talk) 18:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
After removing H.G.Wells from the Writers section just now, I think something needs to be done about these lists. To begin with, I will shortly remove all entries on Famnous People where there is no corresponding wikipedia entry. Later, given the H.G.Wells experience, I am going to try to check the authenticity of the rest. That seems to be a useful first step in integrating all those names into the main body of the text. DDS talk 10:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that this issue is so cut and dried. I've seen references that state he was born in Hampstead or Stoke. The wikipedia article seems to flit between the two. However, the Brittanica states [1] he was born in Stoke. I have a horrible feeling that this is one of those occasions where the Internet is imitating the Wikipedia, instead of the other way round. Beest 21:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
There appear to be two articles about Stoke on Trent. This one and Stoke-upon-Trent. Wouldn't it be better to combine the two, and have one redirect to the other? -- Avantman42 22:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Stoke-Upon-Trent is one of the 6 towns that make up Stoke-on-Trent city, so it likely has a distinct history etc. 86.140.227.141 13:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I am very sorry to say that I see no justification for a separate history section to this very modern city article. Please copy it back and expand it much further within the main article to counteract all the trivia that keeps floating in! NoelWalley 18:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
There's some interesting information in this section, but does it belong on this page? Should the history of SoT start in 1910? Does anything before that belong in one of the articles about the six towns? Beest 22:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added in the "References in Popular Culture" section a mention of Gorillaz and Murdoc Niccals as a means of trying to encourage people not to add this fictional character to the Fanous People section. DDS talk 00:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I would really like to get this to good article status. Does anyone fancy a collaboration on this? I have lived away for a long time and am getting a bit rusty on the place. Regan123 20:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
OK. I reckon the following areas need improving:
What do others think? If you complete a task might I suggest the use of {{tl:done}} is added so that it can be indicated what still needs to be done. Regan123 12:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
At the moment the article states only one possible meaning for 'Stoke': crossing place. But there are plenty of sources that suggest alternative meanings of 'stoc' – and thus Stoke – notably 'meeting place' and 'place of worship'. I propose to expand the etymology section to include variant explanations of the name. Russ London 06:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Not sure that what this part of the article says about Bede is true, as I don't think he mentions this Stoke, but I shall check it. Chrisemms ( talk) 16:35, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I removed a paragraph that had been added about then failure of Stoke-on-Trent council to do whatever was required to put the smoking ban in place on 1st July. My reasoning was that this was a rather less than permanent news item that didn't really fit in with an encyclopedia entry, the more so, because so much other stuff needs to be added to the article. Since then, someone else has re-added it. So, I'm opening it up for discussion here rather than remove it again. Do people think it is an acceptable entry, given the amount of other work that needs to be done to the article? DDStretch (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I edited earlier as User:217.34.67.157 and am not User:Scarian. It is indeed less than permanent, but I believe this belongs in the article for a couple of months. I can't see why the fact that other work needs doing to the article changes the relevance of this item; other people can do other work as they see fit. I know you (ddstretch) recognised my edits as good-faith. User:Scarian's writing is better than mine and I support it. 86.140.88.114 21:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user has removed a lot of specify tags, claiming they were tantamount to vandalism, but I could see that they were useful, and reverted most of the changes. The user has now re-re,moved them. Can I ask what people think about the usefulness of such tags, as they seem to me to be a useful way of indicating where more work is required. DDStretch (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The tags are there to ask for verification that they have a specific connection with the City. If these are not provided, then they should stay or the entries removed. "Notables" are often added at a whim and it is one of the major areas requiring clean up on many of the places articles in Wikipedia. Regan123 23:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The article states that the A500 link road is locally known as the 'D' road. This part is correct, however it goes on to says that it is known as this because 'D' is Roman numeral for 500. Whilst the latter is correct, 500=D, the true meaning behind the legend is that if you look at a map of the road it is the shape of a 'D'. I know this as I was born and grew up in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.139.233 ( talk) 11:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I originally entered the information about the D road being called so because of 500. The reason I entered this is because through my life living in Stoke I have been told that this is the reasoning behind the name of the A500. I also recognised that this may not be the only reason, or even a reason at all, so I retained the shape of a D comment. If someone can find a proper source stating which one is the reason behind the name then I would have no problem in removing the Roman Numeral business. 86.7.80.172 ( talk) 19:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Seems a pretty good article now right?
I don't know how one goes about getting the seal of approval as it were but I think we should try for it.
Ways to improve the article as it stands as I see now are as follows:
1. Better writing. Not to criticise but I haven't been focusing on the information itself. Perhaps someone can check to see if there is anything they feel needs adding or re-writing on the page.
2. Adding stats, e.g. elevation data, all the stuff that is missing from the infobox.
Thats it really. Any thoughts anyone?-- EchetusXe ( talk) 19:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Should "Smoke on Trent" be added to the nicknames section in the infobox. I ask because as a native of Stoke it was a commonly used term by locals but not necessarily by others from outside Stoke. Also I was taught that the pollution over Stoke was one of the reasons for the introduction of the Clean Air Act 1956. Whether there is any historical basis for this I don't know. Certainly the pollution could be pretty bad e.g. this from thepotteries.org [2] Nthep ( talk) 18:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm getting a bit obtuse here but I was looking at the caption of the first photo on the article "Stoke-on-Trent City Centre as seen from Festival Park" and it strikes me as not being quite right. As the article says "The city formed by the federation of six originally separate towns and numerous villages in the early-20th century. The original settlement from which the federated town (not a city until 1925) took its name was Stoke-upon-Trent, because this was where the administration (and chief mainline railway station) was located. After the union, Hanley emerged as the primary commercial centre in the city, despite the efforts of its rival, Burslem. The three other component towns are Tunstall, Longton, and Fenton."
So what is the city centre? I don't want to get into an argument about whether it's Stoke (because of the name, the original federated town hall or the presence of the Victoria Ground - with apologies to any Vale fans reading this) or Hanley (because of it's commercial pre-eminence) but it's more does Stoke have a city centre? I don't think it does. I spent my entire childhood in Stoke and I never went to the "City Centre", I went to Hanley (or up 'Angley if I'm towkin reet) or Longton or Stoke but never to the city centre. When I moved away (to Leeds) it was different, there it was very clear that you went into the city centre. This absence of a centre is one of the things that makes Stoke unique, there aren't many (any?) other federated towns/cities in the UK so perhaps we should reflect this uniqueness by emphasising that Stoke isn't like other cities, it doesn't have a city centre. Nthep ( talk) 20:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the article opener does make enough of a point about the federation issue. Shame no one has wrote an article dedicated to the history of the city.-- EchetusXe ( talk) 20:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hanley - inside the ring road - is known as the 'City Centre' now by the council, who want it to be used instead of Hanley. http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/end-road-Hanley/article-1438586-detail/article.html However, I wouldn't say there is wide community agreement that this name change should be pushed through and would agree with Nthep above that Stoke's federation of towns is what makes it unique. But these are all points of view. In the meantime, the caption would be better off saying 'Hanley viewed from Festival Park. I also wouldn't necessarily agree with the line about Stoke[-upon-Trent]. The decision to make it the civic centre came at the same time as Federation and Burslem was also in the running, also building a town hall in readiness http://www.thepotteries.org/federation/WR003.htm. This was the main battle between Burslem and Hanley, as Hanley was always a bigger commercial centre. Clarewhite ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello there folks, and greetings from Military History. I'm currently in the process of improving the article on John Baskeyfield who was born in Burslem and has a statue erected in (I think) Festival Park, Stoke-on-Trent. I thought it would be nice to get an image of the statue ( seen here) for the article, and was wondering if anyone who lived local to the area might be able to take one. No major rush, but if you happen to pass it with your camera one day a couple of shots from different angles might be nice. Any help would be much appreciated, especially if anyone knows anything else about him. Cheers, Ranger Steve ( talk) 19:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just been updating the council make up for the 2011 local elections and have noticed the preceeding paragraph about the make-up of the council could do with some updating to reflect the latest changes. Will try to look into it but thought I would flag it here. TeaStew ( talk) 03:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Would there be any interest in starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Staffordshire? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
User deleted history pre-elected mayor. Input needed In ictu oculi ( talk) 06:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
It is absolute rot that 'duke' comes from the Saxon word 'ducas', it comes from Latin 'dux' meaning a war leader, via the French 'duc'. There may be a reference for that claim but the reference is wrong too. 'Duck' as a term of affection may well come from the Saxon word. 82.14.34.119 ( talk) 05:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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What's with this sentence: "Together with the neighbouring boroughs of Newcastle-under-Lyme and Staffordshire Moorlands, it is part of North Staffordshire." in the lede? Does that being there, help anyone? Geopersona ( talk) 16:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Sadly the earlier concern about the etymology of Duck/Duke has not yet been addressed. Having said that, it is one of several mistaken attributions to a Potteries dialect that are included in the Dialect section, "Nesh" and "duck" are present with the same usage in other dialects, apparently chiefly of the north of England. It's incorrect to suggest that they are primarily Potteries dialect terms when they are not.
Likewise, "shug" as an abbreviation of "sugar" is not at all a Potteries dialect word. I have my doubts that its usage is even restricted to the part of England north of the Watford Gap. It's not a dialect word but a colloquial reduction.
As it stands, without unnecessarily duplicating Potteries dialect entries, perhaps the section here should be retired but for a reference to the main article on the subject (which it iself not entirely accurate).
I would like to change the structure slightly of the first two sub-chapters under culture: 1) Science - this sub chapter doesn’t really fit under culture and I would suggest to put it as a last sub chapter under Culture 2) Visual Arts - this chapter does not focus solely on Visual arts and I would suggest this to come as a first section but without a header, becoming a more general introduction to Culture in Stoke-on-Trent.
This would allow us to expand this section slightly with key cultural organisations that have not yet been mentioned, but that have had longstanding place in public life. They also often engage in multi-disciplinary artistic practices, so an intro section not headed with a single discipline would help.
As this is not a minor edit, and as I am still learning how to edit Wikipedia articles, I thought I’d better ask on here if there were specific reasons for having the Science sub chapter first, or a reason for the Visual Arts header. CBDB.CBDB ( talk) 20:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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WP:BRD. @
SovalValtos: has reverted
my addition regarding the reduction in bus services with the summary Poorly worded Not an accurate reflection of the source
. The article states Across the city, bus services shrank by an estimated 37% in the five years to March 2022. Over an eight-year period from 2013-14, that reduction stands at 50%.
Please let me know if you have suggestions on how to word this better. I dispute that it's not an accurate reflection of the source, not sure what more there is to say.
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An update can be found here. Jackiespeel ( talk) 13:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
How do you manage to take over the millenial home of the Choctaw home in Mississppi? Craziest thing I have ever Seen... Talk about "USURPING", back in the 1500 to 1800s, more people than until the 1950s.
This claim is absolutely nuts. Stoke is *extremely* hilly, and travelling around on a pushbike requires both determination and considerable physical fitness - you need muscles like Superman. A tiny proportion of the population cycles regularly, and there is almost no casual cycling. Ef80 ( talk) 20:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
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As far as I know the term "The Potteries" refers only to Stoke on Trent (and maybe surrounding villages which are now part of Stoke on Trent, such as Meir) but most certainly not Newcastle Under Lyme. This is certainly what I was taught at school (in Newcastle) and what most of my friends from the area agree with. There is a link to the "Potteries Urban Area" page - this is not something I've ever heard of and with the increasing incidence of people using Wikipedia as their first source of information I think it should be got rid of.
However - didn't want to change it outright in case there is more to the story than this - if there really is some sort of "Potteries Urban Area" which also includes Newcastle then I think it should at least be marked that this is contentious and that many people believe Newcastle not to be part of the Potteries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.211.199 ( talk) 11:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
"image of an industrial northern hellhole" - great line
At 15 miles and half an hours drive, Alton Towers is hardly a 'stones throw'. Sorry, at the time I wrote it, I forgot to sign this little observation, months ago. NoelWalley 13:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I propose an amendment on these lines:
'Stoke-on-Trent (About this sound pronunciation (help·info); often abbreviated to Stoke) is a city in Staffordshire, England, almost 12 miles (19 km) long, with an area of 36 square miles (93 km2). It forms part of a conurbation that also includes Newcastle-under-Lyme and Kidsgrove, and which in terms of population size (364,403) has a ranking of nineteenth in the list of urban area in the United Kingdom.' [link to Wikipedia aticle with this title] This would satisfy the sensitivities of those who do not see Newcastle as part of the Potteries, clarifies the use of the word conurbation, and removes extraneous material about North Staffordshire. If adopted, then the second paragraph would start: 'The city ... Chrisemms ( talk) 17:02, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
"Although there are actually Six Towns, the city or 'the Potteries' is more well known as the Five Towns - from the books by Arnold Bennett. It has been incorrectly stated this can be seen from the Lord Mayor's car carrying the number plate VT1. The actual registration is 1 VT and has nothing to do with Arnold Bennett and the five towns. The simple explanation is that VT was the registration used for Stoke on Trent (along with EH) in the 1960's - it just so happens that the Lord Mayor has number 1 of the VT registration letters."
The article suffers from a certain amount of trivia, of which three or more lines devoted to the number plate on the Lord Mayor's car is a good example. Blame Arnold Bennett (arguably the Potteries most famous literary son) and cut out those lines or better still explain Bennett properly and the fact that when writing about his native Potteries he changes everything. We can be sure he did not think there were five towns but more likely four or six. There were four boroughs so did he invent a fifth? The Bennett factor needs to be taken into consideration. NoelWalley 13:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC) formerly of Oldcastle!
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On the whole I would agree, and particularly with regard to dates and linkage generally. I would however question the suggestions regarding the following:
What can be said about climate other than that it is British? I think demographics should be used very sparingly. I believe that in the particular circumstances of this rather new city with very old roots and an aging infrastructure, the Famous People section is very valuable and should be retained. Perhaps it should include only people for whom a Wikipedia biography has been developed?
What do others think? NoelWalley 09:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Can't believe there was no mention that the city is in Staffordshire in the opening paragraphs. Yes it may be a unitary authority now, but it's still in the geographical/ceremonial/traditional county of Staffordshire!! David 22:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The article should be changed back -- 2A02:C7F:C802:4000:9CE1:DB77:AFBA:AB86 ( talk) 19:30, 31 May 2016 (BST)
This section was sugested in the recent peer review for deletion. Although I believe it should stay, I think there are problems that should be addressed. I see these, in no particular order, as:
I'm surprised that John Caudwell isn't in the list. Surely one of the most successful people to have been born in Stoke? Beest 09:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Also I see Gareth Burton (sportsman, raconteur, bounder) has been added as a notable person. I suspect this is nonsense, so I will remove him unless someone can elaborate on who he is. Beest 16:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I would dispute the apearance of Lorna Bailey in a list of ceramic artists. I would suggest her work was derivative at best and there is now way she was in the same league as Clarice Cliff. I suggest her name is either removed or th list be broken into the quality artists/designers and then some "alsos". She does have an article to herself but I might go further and suggest that article be deleted. In fact I have just deleted her name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.15.99.238 ( talk) 18:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
After removing H.G.Wells from the Writers section just now, I think something needs to be done about these lists. To begin with, I will shortly remove all entries on Famnous People where there is no corresponding wikipedia entry. Later, given the H.G.Wells experience, I am going to try to check the authenticity of the rest. That seems to be a useful first step in integrating all those names into the main body of the text. DDS talk 10:37, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that this issue is so cut and dried. I've seen references that state he was born in Hampstead or Stoke. The wikipedia article seems to flit between the two. However, the Brittanica states [1] he was born in Stoke. I have a horrible feeling that this is one of those occasions where the Internet is imitating the Wikipedia, instead of the other way round. Beest 21:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
There appear to be two articles about Stoke on Trent. This one and Stoke-upon-Trent. Wouldn't it be better to combine the two, and have one redirect to the other? -- Avantman42 22:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Stoke-Upon-Trent is one of the 6 towns that make up Stoke-on-Trent city, so it likely has a distinct history etc. 86.140.227.141 13:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I am very sorry to say that I see no justification for a separate history section to this very modern city article. Please copy it back and expand it much further within the main article to counteract all the trivia that keeps floating in! NoelWalley 18:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
There's some interesting information in this section, but does it belong on this page? Should the history of SoT start in 1910? Does anything before that belong in one of the articles about the six towns? Beest 22:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've added in the "References in Popular Culture" section a mention of Gorillaz and Murdoc Niccals as a means of trying to encourage people not to add this fictional character to the Fanous People section. DDS talk 00:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I would really like to get this to good article status. Does anyone fancy a collaboration on this? I have lived away for a long time and am getting a bit rusty on the place. Regan123 20:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
OK. I reckon the following areas need improving:
What do others think? If you complete a task might I suggest the use of {{tl:done}} is added so that it can be indicated what still needs to be done. Regan123 12:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
At the moment the article states only one possible meaning for 'Stoke': crossing place. But there are plenty of sources that suggest alternative meanings of 'stoc' – and thus Stoke – notably 'meeting place' and 'place of worship'. I propose to expand the etymology section to include variant explanations of the name. Russ London 06:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Not sure that what this part of the article says about Bede is true, as I don't think he mentions this Stoke, but I shall check it. Chrisemms ( talk) 16:35, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
I removed a paragraph that had been added about then failure of Stoke-on-Trent council to do whatever was required to put the smoking ban in place on 1st July. My reasoning was that this was a rather less than permanent news item that didn't really fit in with an encyclopedia entry, the more so, because so much other stuff needs to be added to the article. Since then, someone else has re-added it. So, I'm opening it up for discussion here rather than remove it again. Do people think it is an acceptable entry, given the amount of other work that needs to be done to the article? DDStretch (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I edited earlier as User:217.34.67.157 and am not User:Scarian. It is indeed less than permanent, but I believe this belongs in the article for a couple of months. I can't see why the fact that other work needs doing to the article changes the relevance of this item; other people can do other work as they see fit. I know you (ddstretch) recognised my edits as good-faith. User:Scarian's writing is better than mine and I support it. 86.140.88.114 21:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
An anonymous user has removed a lot of specify tags, claiming they were tantamount to vandalism, but I could see that they were useful, and reverted most of the changes. The user has now re-re,moved them. Can I ask what people think about the usefulness of such tags, as they seem to me to be a useful way of indicating where more work is required. DDStretch (talk) 22:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The tags are there to ask for verification that they have a specific connection with the City. If these are not provided, then they should stay or the entries removed. "Notables" are often added at a whim and it is one of the major areas requiring clean up on many of the places articles in Wikipedia. Regan123 23:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The article states that the A500 link road is locally known as the 'D' road. This part is correct, however it goes on to says that it is known as this because 'D' is Roman numeral for 500. Whilst the latter is correct, 500=D, the true meaning behind the legend is that if you look at a map of the road it is the shape of a 'D'. I know this as I was born and grew up in the area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.75.139.233 ( talk) 11:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I originally entered the information about the D road being called so because of 500. The reason I entered this is because through my life living in Stoke I have been told that this is the reasoning behind the name of the A500. I also recognised that this may not be the only reason, or even a reason at all, so I retained the shape of a D comment. If someone can find a proper source stating which one is the reason behind the name then I would have no problem in removing the Roman Numeral business. 86.7.80.172 ( talk) 19:28, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Seems a pretty good article now right?
I don't know how one goes about getting the seal of approval as it were but I think we should try for it.
Ways to improve the article as it stands as I see now are as follows:
1. Better writing. Not to criticise but I haven't been focusing on the information itself. Perhaps someone can check to see if there is anything they feel needs adding or re-writing on the page.
2. Adding stats, e.g. elevation data, all the stuff that is missing from the infobox.
Thats it really. Any thoughts anyone?-- EchetusXe ( talk) 19:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Should "Smoke on Trent" be added to the nicknames section in the infobox. I ask because as a native of Stoke it was a commonly used term by locals but not necessarily by others from outside Stoke. Also I was taught that the pollution over Stoke was one of the reasons for the introduction of the Clean Air Act 1956. Whether there is any historical basis for this I don't know. Certainly the pollution could be pretty bad e.g. this from thepotteries.org [2] Nthep ( talk) 18:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm getting a bit obtuse here but I was looking at the caption of the first photo on the article "Stoke-on-Trent City Centre as seen from Festival Park" and it strikes me as not being quite right. As the article says "The city formed by the federation of six originally separate towns and numerous villages in the early-20th century. The original settlement from which the federated town (not a city until 1925) took its name was Stoke-upon-Trent, because this was where the administration (and chief mainline railway station) was located. After the union, Hanley emerged as the primary commercial centre in the city, despite the efforts of its rival, Burslem. The three other component towns are Tunstall, Longton, and Fenton."
So what is the city centre? I don't want to get into an argument about whether it's Stoke (because of the name, the original federated town hall or the presence of the Victoria Ground - with apologies to any Vale fans reading this) or Hanley (because of it's commercial pre-eminence) but it's more does Stoke have a city centre? I don't think it does. I spent my entire childhood in Stoke and I never went to the "City Centre", I went to Hanley (or up 'Angley if I'm towkin reet) or Longton or Stoke but never to the city centre. When I moved away (to Leeds) it was different, there it was very clear that you went into the city centre. This absence of a centre is one of the things that makes Stoke unique, there aren't many (any?) other federated towns/cities in the UK so perhaps we should reflect this uniqueness by emphasising that Stoke isn't like other cities, it doesn't have a city centre. Nthep ( talk) 20:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I think the article opener does make enough of a point about the federation issue. Shame no one has wrote an article dedicated to the history of the city.-- EchetusXe ( talk) 20:47, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Hanley - inside the ring road - is known as the 'City Centre' now by the council, who want it to be used instead of Hanley. http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/news/end-road-Hanley/article-1438586-detail/article.html However, I wouldn't say there is wide community agreement that this name change should be pushed through and would agree with Nthep above that Stoke's federation of towns is what makes it unique. But these are all points of view. In the meantime, the caption would be better off saying 'Hanley viewed from Festival Park. I also wouldn't necessarily agree with the line about Stoke[-upon-Trent]. The decision to make it the civic centre came at the same time as Federation and Burslem was also in the running, also building a town hall in readiness http://www.thepotteries.org/federation/WR003.htm. This was the main battle between Burslem and Hanley, as Hanley was always a bigger commercial centre. Clarewhite ( talk) 09:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello there folks, and greetings from Military History. I'm currently in the process of improving the article on John Baskeyfield who was born in Burslem and has a statue erected in (I think) Festival Park, Stoke-on-Trent. I thought it would be nice to get an image of the statue ( seen here) for the article, and was wondering if anyone who lived local to the area might be able to take one. No major rush, but if you happen to pass it with your camera one day a couple of shots from different angles might be nice. Any help would be much appreciated, especially if anyone knows anything else about him. Cheers, Ranger Steve ( talk) 19:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I've just been updating the council make up for the 2011 local elections and have noticed the preceeding paragraph about the make-up of the council could do with some updating to reflect the latest changes. Will try to look into it but thought I would flag it here. TeaStew ( talk) 03:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Would there be any interest in starting Wikipedia:WikiProject Staffordshire? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
User deleted history pre-elected mayor. Input needed In ictu oculi ( talk) 06:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
It is absolute rot that 'duke' comes from the Saxon word 'ducas', it comes from Latin 'dux' meaning a war leader, via the French 'duc'. There may be a reference for that claim but the reference is wrong too. 'Duck' as a term of affection may well come from the Saxon word. 82.14.34.119 ( talk) 05:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
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What's with this sentence: "Together with the neighbouring boroughs of Newcastle-under-Lyme and Staffordshire Moorlands, it is part of North Staffordshire." in the lede? Does that being there, help anyone? Geopersona ( talk) 16:41, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
Sadly the earlier concern about the etymology of Duck/Duke has not yet been addressed. Having said that, it is one of several mistaken attributions to a Potteries dialect that are included in the Dialect section, "Nesh" and "duck" are present with the same usage in other dialects, apparently chiefly of the north of England. It's incorrect to suggest that they are primarily Potteries dialect terms when they are not.
Likewise, "shug" as an abbreviation of "sugar" is not at all a Potteries dialect word. I have my doubts that its usage is even restricted to the part of England north of the Watford Gap. It's not a dialect word but a colloquial reduction.
As it stands, without unnecessarily duplicating Potteries dialect entries, perhaps the section here should be retired but for a reference to the main article on the subject (which it iself not entirely accurate).
I would like to change the structure slightly of the first two sub-chapters under culture: 1) Science - this sub chapter doesn’t really fit under culture and I would suggest to put it as a last sub chapter under Culture 2) Visual Arts - this chapter does not focus solely on Visual arts and I would suggest this to come as a first section but without a header, becoming a more general introduction to Culture in Stoke-on-Trent.
This would allow us to expand this section slightly with key cultural organisations that have not yet been mentioned, but that have had longstanding place in public life. They also often engage in multi-disciplinary artistic practices, so an intro section not headed with a single discipline would help.
As this is not a minor edit, and as I am still learning how to edit Wikipedia articles, I thought I’d better ask on here if there were specific reasons for having the Science sub chapter first, or a reason for the Visual Arts header. CBDB.CBDB ( talk) 20:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm raising this per
WP:BRD. @
SovalValtos: has reverted
my addition regarding the reduction in bus services with the summary Poorly worded Not an accurate reflection of the source
. The article states Across the city, bus services shrank by an estimated 37% in the five years to March 2022. Over an eight-year period from 2013-14, that reduction stands at 50%.
Please let me know if you have suggestions on how to word this better. I dispute that it's not an accurate reflection of the source, not sure what more there is to say.
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19:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
An update can be found here. Jackiespeel ( talk) 13:11, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
How do you manage to take over the millenial home of the Choctaw home in Mississppi? Craziest thing I have ever Seen... Talk about "USURPING", back in the 1500 to 1800s, more people than until the 1950s.
This claim is absolutely nuts. Stoke is *extremely* hilly, and travelling around on a pushbike requires both determination and considerable physical fitness - you need muscles like Superman. A tiny proportion of the population cycles regularly, and there is almost no casual cycling. Ef80 ( talk) 20:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)