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Way too much info on insider trading. Dankru 11:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I think the current structure is bad: everything not related to TV or "insider trading" is jammed into the intro, which doesn't even mention his current legal difficulties.
On the TV section, I don't think we need a list of everyone Vizard sent up.-- Jack Upland 21:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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Why has this article been completely sanitised? It now reads like a PR brochure for Vizard.
The findings of the Victorian County Court judge, for instance, as to Vizard's character and veracity are completely relevant and should be re-inserted.
Why the lengthy and detailed qualification in relation to Vizard's fraudulent activities concerning trades by his associated companies, and references to his accountant? The Federal Court judge made it very clear that Vizard's culpability for his frauds was complete and severe.
Why the verbose explanation? Vizard was found guilty of fraud, in a court of law - the Federal Court of Australia, no less! Why the fixation in the article that they weren't "criminal" proceedings? Fraud is fraud, and he was guilty, by his own admission and the Court imposed a very substantial penalty upon him. Isn't this what should be emphasised?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.75.49.243 ( talk) 03:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
This article certainly needs some reliable sources. Here's a few things I've found via Google:
I'll add any more I find to this list. -- Michael Billington ( talk) 11:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
That pretty much sums it up. He's a devious and duplicitous fraudster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.107.47 ( talk) 04:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
This needs a substantial re-write to more accurately reflect the Federal Court's findings as to the fraudulent nature of Vizards business conduct, and the severity of his admitted breaches of the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.74.30 ( talk) 02:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I see that User:Daniel semi-protected the article in June 14 until December 14, 2007. This seems a bit excessive and I was wondering if there's a reason protection cannot now be removed. — Moondyne 14:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Semi-protection now removed. Please let me know if excessive vandalism starts up again. — Moondyne 06:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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The article at present says: "The criminal charges brought against Hillard were later pled out in 2005, when Hillard pled guilty to 14 counts of false accounting ..." I haven't changed it because I don't have specific legal knowledge, and 'pled' might be a legal word. If 'pled' is legalese, ignore this. However, I have never heard this word and wonder if the writer means 'pleaded', which is certainly a word used in law. Alpheus ( talk) 16:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Vizard on at least one occasion impersonated Geoffrey Robertson strutting around with exaggerated posturing, an impersonation gleaned from Robertson's behaviour during his "Hypothetical" series. I will include it in his list of impersonations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.154.214 ( talk) 17:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe that the long list/s in this article of people Steve Vizard interviewed on 'Tonight Live with Steve Vizard' is not necessary. A simple sentence or two would suffice, backed up by the references which can be read if desired. It is just overkill in my opinion. Wondering what others think?
I have also started a discussion on this subject on the talk page of the person who added this long list: User talk:Johnnyspottiswood Melbourne3163 ( talk) 04:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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I have removed this:
This seems purely designed to discredit the case against Vizard. I can't see anything in the first reference to suggest what Hayes did was controversial or abnormal. The media reported the trial, which is normal. There is no suggestion that Hayes' death of a drug overdose in 2007 had any connection to the trial in 2005, and it is nonsense to say the woman was "convicted of prostitution" as no such crime has ever existed in Australia - and no source supplied says that. One of them says she was reported to be a prostitute, and that's it. This is just a smear against Hayes, and since none of the other lawyers are mentioned in the article, I don't see why he should be.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
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I agree with the previous comments about the bias towards Vizard in legal issues. There is an overemphasis on the fact that the proceedings against Vizard were "civil", not "criminal". There are two lengthy quotations from Lucy saying there was no criminal case against Vizard, one of which is set out from the text. This distinction means very little to most readers. To make matters worse, a civil penalty is a hybrid invention which is partly criminal and partly civil. The article seems to assume that all the readers around the world have an understanding of the Australian Corporations Act. It is misleading to say that the action against Vizard was "civil", in that it was a public prosecution (rather than litigation from a private party) and in that it resulted in penalties (rather than damages). Moreover, Justice Finkelstein in his judgment accused Vizard of "dishonesty" (a criminal element), repeatedly used the term "white collar crime", and emphasised the seriousness of the offence. Furthermore, the article says that Finkelstein "disregarded" the deal made between ASIC and Vizard, implying the judgment was unfair. In addition, the article repeatedly says there were three legal proceedings. The third proceeding was the ASIC investigation into insider trading, which didn't result in a trial. Is that a legal proceeding? Then there was the "civil proceeding" which resulted in his penalties. Is that part of the third proceeding, or is it an unrecognised fourth proceeding? I think this is confusing. All the legal proceedings are related. They are confusing, but numbering them doesn't make them less confusing.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 10:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Considering that Mr Vizard "voluntarily handed back his membership of the Order of Australia", why are the AM post-nominals still appearing after his name in this article? Safenoe ( talk) 16:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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Way too much info on insider trading. Dankru 11:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I think the current structure is bad: everything not related to TV or "insider trading" is jammed into the intro, which doesn't even mention his current legal difficulties.
On the TV section, I don't think we need a list of everyone Vizard sent up.-- Jack Upland 21:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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Why has this article been completely sanitised? It now reads like a PR brochure for Vizard.
The findings of the Victorian County Court judge, for instance, as to Vizard's character and veracity are completely relevant and should be re-inserted.
Why the lengthy and detailed qualification in relation to Vizard's fraudulent activities concerning trades by his associated companies, and references to his accountant? The Federal Court judge made it very clear that Vizard's culpability for his frauds was complete and severe.
Why the verbose explanation? Vizard was found guilty of fraud, in a court of law - the Federal Court of Australia, no less! Why the fixation in the article that they weren't "criminal" proceedings? Fraud is fraud, and he was guilty, by his own admission and the Court imposed a very substantial penalty upon him. Isn't this what should be emphasised?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.75.49.243 ( talk) 03:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
This article certainly needs some reliable sources. Here's a few things I've found via Google:
I'll add any more I find to this list. -- Michael Billington ( talk) 11:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
That pretty much sums it up. He's a devious and duplicitous fraudster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.210.107.47 ( talk) 04:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
This needs a substantial re-write to more accurately reflect the Federal Court's findings as to the fraudulent nature of Vizards business conduct, and the severity of his admitted breaches of the law. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.74.30 ( talk) 02:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I see that User:Daniel semi-protected the article in June 14 until December 14, 2007. This seems a bit excessive and I was wondering if there's a reason protection cannot now be removed. — Moondyne 14:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Semi-protection now removed. Please let me know if excessive vandalism starts up again. — Moondyne 06:08, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 04:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The article at present says: "The criminal charges brought against Hillard were later pled out in 2005, when Hillard pled guilty to 14 counts of false accounting ..." I haven't changed it because I don't have specific legal knowledge, and 'pled' might be a legal word. If 'pled' is legalese, ignore this. However, I have never heard this word and wonder if the writer means 'pleaded', which is certainly a word used in law. Alpheus ( talk) 16:36, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
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Vizard on at least one occasion impersonated Geoffrey Robertson strutting around with exaggerated posturing, an impersonation gleaned from Robertson's behaviour during his "Hypothetical" series. I will include it in his list of impersonations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.74.154.214 ( talk) 17:03, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe that the long list/s in this article of people Steve Vizard interviewed on 'Tonight Live with Steve Vizard' is not necessary. A simple sentence or two would suffice, backed up by the references which can be read if desired. It is just overkill in my opinion. Wondering what others think?
I have also started a discussion on this subject on the talk page of the person who added this long list: User talk:Johnnyspottiswood Melbourne3163 ( talk) 04:36, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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I have removed this:
This seems purely designed to discredit the case against Vizard. I can't see anything in the first reference to suggest what Hayes did was controversial or abnormal. The media reported the trial, which is normal. There is no suggestion that Hayes' death of a drug overdose in 2007 had any connection to the trial in 2005, and it is nonsense to say the woman was "convicted of prostitution" as no such crime has ever existed in Australia - and no source supplied says that. One of them says she was reported to be a prostitute, and that's it. This is just a smear against Hayes, and since none of the other lawyers are mentioned in the article, I don't see why he should be.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 08:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
References
I agree with the previous comments about the bias towards Vizard in legal issues. There is an overemphasis on the fact that the proceedings against Vizard were "civil", not "criminal". There are two lengthy quotations from Lucy saying there was no criminal case against Vizard, one of which is set out from the text. This distinction means very little to most readers. To make matters worse, a civil penalty is a hybrid invention which is partly criminal and partly civil. The article seems to assume that all the readers around the world have an understanding of the Australian Corporations Act. It is misleading to say that the action against Vizard was "civil", in that it was a public prosecution (rather than litigation from a private party) and in that it resulted in penalties (rather than damages). Moreover, Justice Finkelstein in his judgment accused Vizard of "dishonesty" (a criminal element), repeatedly used the term "white collar crime", and emphasised the seriousness of the offence. Furthermore, the article says that Finkelstein "disregarded" the deal made between ASIC and Vizard, implying the judgment was unfair. In addition, the article repeatedly says there were three legal proceedings. The third proceeding was the ASIC investigation into insider trading, which didn't result in a trial. Is that a legal proceeding? Then there was the "civil proceeding" which resulted in his penalties. Is that part of the third proceeding, or is it an unrecognised fourth proceeding? I think this is confusing. All the legal proceedings are related. They are confusing, but numbering them doesn't make them less confusing.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 10:39, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Considering that Mr Vizard "voluntarily handed back his membership of the Order of Australia", why are the AM post-nominals still appearing after his name in this article? Safenoe ( talk) 16:07, 2 November 2023 (UTC)