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16:00, 3 January 2018 Anthony Appleyard talk contribs 54 bytes +54 Anthony Appleyard moved page Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1989) to Steve Smith (cricketer): Requested by Spike 'em at WP:RM/TR: Move page for current Australian captain over redirect to DAB.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. I've looked at this RM for some time and have flipped between a few different outcomes here, but after some consideration I am closing this without a clear outcome either way.
Those opposing the move to the further disambiguated title have successfully made their argument largely on the basis of our primary topic guideline. Those in support of the move have also successfully made their argument citing the guideline on incomplete disambiguation. So, in this situation, I turned to the reading of these arguments in policy. Both of these fall under the disambiguation guideline, and my reading of this, along with the article titles policy, shows conflict between these two parts of the disambiguation guideline page - between selecting article titles based on primary topic, and incompletely disambiguating pages. Following PRIMARY would conflict with INCDAB, and vice versa.
I've taken on all the arguments made by those involved in the discussion, but based on our policies and guidelines, as clear cut as it may seem, I cannot determine a majority argument due to this conflict, and for this reason I must close as no consensus. An RFC to discuss how to address articles which may require incomplete disambiguation that are primary topics of that subcategory like this one might be a path forward. As such, I have opened one at the disambiguation talk page. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 07:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Steve Smith (cricketer) →
Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1989) –
WP:TITLE, also
Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1961) and
Stephen Smith (cricketer, born 1822).
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Steve Smith has re-signed to play with the Sydney Sixers in the upcoming Big Bash season. Jacobb53 ( talk) 01:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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I believe Steven Smith did not attend Menai High School in fact he actually attended and graduated from Champagnat Catholic College Pagewood. DustinMartin4 ( talk) 08:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Source? Spike 'em ( talk) 08:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
@ DiamondIIIXX: Rather than me just reverting all the recent changes, would you consider editing them down? As per the linked policy, we shouldn't mention every single innings that Smith plays, or even every match that he plays in. Spike 'em ( talk) 10:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
This section is getting quite long in the tooth and not really related to his actual return after the ban. it's the end of 2020. There's 8 sub headings. " I can't quite solve where to actually cut this section and start a new one, and don't really know what it would be called?
We could make a note about his poor Test form after the Ashes and make that the new section for the time being - relating it back to the Bodyline-style attack from NZ (Neil Wagner).
Smith hasn't scored a hundred for 12 innings, and since the Ashes he's scored 256 runs @ 32 with a top score of 85 from 9 innings. It hurts me to say but he might be in a form slump and that might be worth noting. Noting his career average of 62.31.
It might be worth waiting until the end of this Test series to figure out where to cut the section and how to write the rest, agreed?
Also as an aside, I think the current infobox image (from 2014) is outdated as Smith has aged slightly since then. Would prefer the 2017 one in the "Ashes in Australia 2017–18" -
Spike_'em Blue_Square_Thing Lugnuts
DiamondIIIXX ( talk) 23:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
OK, he has dual Australian and British citizenship. But so what? That's just an accident of history from his mother being British. As a cricketer, which is after all what makes him notable, he is only ever described as Australian. Not British-Australian, not Australian-British, not anything-British. Just Australian. We can certainly mention his UK citizenship in the article, but it is not ledeworthy, at all. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:14, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
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16:00, 3 January 2018 Anthony Appleyard talk contribs 54 bytes +54 Anthony Appleyard moved page Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1989) to Steve Smith (cricketer): Requested by Spike 'em at WP:RM/TR: Move page for current Australian captain over redirect to DAB.
The result of the move request was: no consensus. I've looked at this RM for some time and have flipped between a few different outcomes here, but after some consideration I am closing this without a clear outcome either way.
Those opposing the move to the further disambiguated title have successfully made their argument largely on the basis of our primary topic guideline. Those in support of the move have also successfully made their argument citing the guideline on incomplete disambiguation. So, in this situation, I turned to the reading of these arguments in policy. Both of these fall under the disambiguation guideline, and my reading of this, along with the article titles policy, shows conflict between these two parts of the disambiguation guideline page - between selecting article titles based on primary topic, and incompletely disambiguating pages. Following PRIMARY would conflict with INCDAB, and vice versa.
I've taken on all the arguments made by those involved in the discussion, but based on our policies and guidelines, as clear cut as it may seem, I cannot determine a majority argument due to this conflict, and for this reason I must close as no consensus. An RFC to discuss how to address articles which may require incomplete disambiguation that are primary topics of that subcategory like this one might be a path forward. As such, I have opened one at the disambiguation talk page. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Steven Crossin Help resolve disputes! 07:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Steve Smith (cricketer) →
Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1989) –
WP:TITLE, also
Steve Smith (cricketer, born 1961) and
Stephen Smith (cricketer, born 1822).
In ictu oculi (
talk)
23:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Steve Smith has re-signed to play with the Sydney Sixers in the upcoming Big Bash season. Jacobb53 ( talk) 01:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
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I believe Steven Smith did not attend Menai High School in fact he actually attended and graduated from Champagnat Catholic College Pagewood. DustinMartin4 ( talk) 08:28, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Source? Spike 'em ( talk) 08:42, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
@ DiamondIIIXX: Rather than me just reverting all the recent changes, would you consider editing them down? As per the linked policy, we shouldn't mention every single innings that Smith plays, or even every match that he plays in. Spike 'em ( talk) 10:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
This section is getting quite long in the tooth and not really related to his actual return after the ban. it's the end of 2020. There's 8 sub headings. " I can't quite solve where to actually cut this section and start a new one, and don't really know what it would be called?
We could make a note about his poor Test form after the Ashes and make that the new section for the time being - relating it back to the Bodyline-style attack from NZ (Neil Wagner).
Smith hasn't scored a hundred for 12 innings, and since the Ashes he's scored 256 runs @ 32 with a top score of 85 from 9 innings. It hurts me to say but he might be in a form slump and that might be worth noting. Noting his career average of 62.31.
It might be worth waiting until the end of this Test series to figure out where to cut the section and how to write the rest, agreed?
Also as an aside, I think the current infobox image (from 2014) is outdated as Smith has aged slightly since then. Would prefer the 2017 one in the "Ashes in Australia 2017–18" -
Spike_'em Blue_Square_Thing Lugnuts
DiamondIIIXX ( talk) 23:18, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
OK, he has dual Australian and British citizenship. But so what? That's just an accident of history from his mother being British. As a cricketer, which is after all what makes him notable, he is only ever described as Australian. Not British-Australian, not Australian-British, not anything-British. Just Australian. We can certainly mention his UK citizenship in the article, but it is not ledeworthy, at all. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 08:14, 17 December 2023 (UTC)