This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on October 9, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep. |
|
I was shocked at how light this article is for one of the greats in his discipline. Why is this not a stub? 72.192.125.5 ( talk) 16:11, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
In reviewing the edit history for this article, it seems that this article was initially developed by over two dozen editors from September 2002 through October 2006. On October 23, 2006, a single user, Jeffmacswan, added large amounts of text, broadly expanding the article. The article continued to be edited by other users until July 15, 2007, when Jeffmacswan deleted almost all of the text of the article with the edit note, "Very sorry; I wrote this entry for the Encycopedia of Bilingual Education (forthcoming) and put up a related version here, but the publisher objected. I have therefore deleted it. Hope others will do." At the very least, shouldn't the article have been restored to its pre-Jeff state? A lot of people who aren't Jeff contributed to this article and right now, their work is lost. If no one objects, I'd like to reincorporate the pre-Jeff information. Jlwelsh 02:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I changed "silly" back to "important". "Silly" is really not a neutral term and involves a judgement call. We could add that Krashen is heavily criticized for his views, or that he is thought of as simplistic, but lets not call him silly.
I also added information on the difference between "learning" and "acquisition". I'm not an expert in this area, but i felt it was important to get this down and hopefully we can clean it up a bit in the future.
Theolad 12:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I deleted the second external link in the Criticism section because it was irrelevant. It was merely a second article by Krashen's attacker, on a completely different topic, that merely alluded to her first article. I suggest the entire Criticism section should be deleted as it consists solely of a single editorial by a journalist, written in the heat of a major political debate in California more than ten years ago. The is inflammatory and biased, and does not represent scholarly criticism of Krashen's work.
fshepinc —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC).
I seem to recall learning his theory as "n + 1" rather than "i + 1". Anyone else? Stevage 12:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
This article could use some subject divisions (history, theory, opposition). A bibliography would also help.
Any way we could scale down or crop that picture? It's awfully large.
Krashen was an assistant professor at Queens College (CUNY) which is not mentioned here. I took a course he offered in 1973 or 1974.
This character really is not notable. What has he done? What third party gives an credence to his activity? — Chris53516 ( Talk) 05:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Krashen is definitely notable. If you're not sure about this, you'd better find a different topic to edit. I've done an enormous amount of research in second language acquisition, and he is cited very frequently, his hypotheses are said to be supported or cast in doubt by many papers, and terms and definitions he proposed are frequently used to frame various debates. This makes him notable, whether or not he's correct. Even the word "acquisition" in the term second language acquisition is usually traced to Krashen's ideas, because he is noted for making a black and white distinction between language learning (the sort of vocabulary list / grammar rule study typically done in a classroom, which he claims is mostly a waste of time) and acquisition (absorbing a language "naturally" from repeated exposure to "comprehensible input", which is another widely-adopted Krashenism.) Krashen believes that acquisition, not learning, is what people should do with a second language, and his influence was strong enough to get most people saying SLA instead of SLL, including those who disagree with Krashen. It's even common for researchers to explicitly point out at the beginning of a paper that when they use the term "acquisition", they just mean learning and are NOT making Krashen's distinction. This feeling among so many researchers that they have to explicitly make the point that they are not making Krashen's distinction is strong evidence of how notable Krashen is in the field. Notable doesn't mean correct; it just means notable. If that many people felt the need to publicly disavow any connection to my ideas, I'd be notable, too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuanglen ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I had come here to learn about him -- but there's hardly anything on him here on Wikipedia. What a disappointment. Oh well, off I go then to YOUTUBE.COM because there's nothing much about him on here on Wikipedia i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug 90.174.2.85 ( talk) 11:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Stephen Krashen. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 13:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
In a YT video, he says he went to (high) school in Illinois in the Chicago area. This and other background information such as any degrees besides his PhD should be added. 136.36.180.215 ( talk) 23:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | This article was nominated for deletion on October 9, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep. |
|
I was shocked at how light this article is for one of the greats in his discipline. Why is this not a stub? 72.192.125.5 ( talk) 16:11, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
In reviewing the edit history for this article, it seems that this article was initially developed by over two dozen editors from September 2002 through October 2006. On October 23, 2006, a single user, Jeffmacswan, added large amounts of text, broadly expanding the article. The article continued to be edited by other users until July 15, 2007, when Jeffmacswan deleted almost all of the text of the article with the edit note, "Very sorry; I wrote this entry for the Encycopedia of Bilingual Education (forthcoming) and put up a related version here, but the publisher objected. I have therefore deleted it. Hope others will do." At the very least, shouldn't the article have been restored to its pre-Jeff state? A lot of people who aren't Jeff contributed to this article and right now, their work is lost. If no one objects, I'd like to reincorporate the pre-Jeff information. Jlwelsh 02:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I changed "silly" back to "important". "Silly" is really not a neutral term and involves a judgement call. We could add that Krashen is heavily criticized for his views, or that he is thought of as simplistic, but lets not call him silly.
I also added information on the difference between "learning" and "acquisition". I'm not an expert in this area, but i felt it was important to get this down and hopefully we can clean it up a bit in the future.
Theolad 12:00, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I deleted the second external link in the Criticism section because it was irrelevant. It was merely a second article by Krashen's attacker, on a completely different topic, that merely alluded to her first article. I suggest the entire Criticism section should be deleted as it consists solely of a single editorial by a journalist, written in the heat of a major political debate in California more than ten years ago. The is inflammatory and biased, and does not represent scholarly criticism of Krashen's work.
fshepinc —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC).
I seem to recall learning his theory as "n + 1" rather than "i + 1". Anyone else? Stevage 12:24, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
This article could use some subject divisions (history, theory, opposition). A bibliography would also help.
Any way we could scale down or crop that picture? It's awfully large.
Krashen was an assistant professor at Queens College (CUNY) which is not mentioned here. I took a course he offered in 1973 or 1974.
This character really is not notable. What has he done? What third party gives an credence to his activity? — Chris53516 ( Talk) 05:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Krashen is definitely notable. If you're not sure about this, you'd better find a different topic to edit. I've done an enormous amount of research in second language acquisition, and he is cited very frequently, his hypotheses are said to be supported or cast in doubt by many papers, and terms and definitions he proposed are frequently used to frame various debates. This makes him notable, whether or not he's correct. Even the word "acquisition" in the term second language acquisition is usually traced to Krashen's ideas, because he is noted for making a black and white distinction between language learning (the sort of vocabulary list / grammar rule study typically done in a classroom, which he claims is mostly a waste of time) and acquisition (absorbing a language "naturally" from repeated exposure to "comprehensible input", which is another widely-adopted Krashenism.) Krashen believes that acquisition, not learning, is what people should do with a second language, and his influence was strong enough to get most people saying SLA instead of SLL, including those who disagree with Krashen. It's even common for researchers to explicitly point out at the beginning of a paper that when they use the term "acquisition", they just mean learning and are NOT making Krashen's distinction. This feeling among so many researchers that they have to explicitly make the point that they are not making Krashen's distinction is strong evidence of how notable Krashen is in the field. Notable doesn't mean correct; it just means notable. If that many people felt the need to publicly disavow any connection to my ideas, I'd be notable, too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuanglen ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I had come here to learn about him -- but there's hardly anything on him here on Wikipedia. What a disappointment. Oh well, off I go then to YOUTUBE.COM because there's nothing much about him on here on Wikipedia i.e. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug 90.174.2.85 ( talk) 11:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Stephen Krashen. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot ( Report bug) 13:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
In a YT video, he says he went to (high) school in Illinois in the Chicago area. This and other background information such as any degrees besides his PhD should be added. 136.36.180.215 ( talk) 23:54, 10 May 2024 (UTC)