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Conroy has been in the news in 2006 and 2007 for a personal issue: he and his wife commissioned a surrogate pregnancy, which is unusual in Australia. It's not directly relevant to his political career, but he seems to have chosen to make this public and therefore it would seem relevant to his article. Citations: [1] [2]. "Stephen Conroy surrogacy" turns up a lot of archival hits on Google News. Thayvian ( talk) 22:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
In relation to the text saying: "Whilst the the government (Labor party), projected an image of understanding the youth, technology and means of communicating, the filtering policy has been criticised as a waste of money and a failure to understand how these new means are utilised.".... I call that a reference be supplied or that the content be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.223.103 ( talk) 11:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
It is clear that for a political figure, the main policies of this person and the most significant criticisms of those policies are relevant to a biographic article. The link between the current Labor government and China is well established and the comparison between Conroy's censorship and China's great firewall has been noted on many news articles and by a wide range of critics. A balanced article should include all notable views on a given subject including both support and criticism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.220.108 ( talk) 06:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
While the internet filter is getting most of the Wikipedia attention, Stephen Conroy is also responsible for the Labor Government's broadband rollout. There should be something in the article about this, too. cojoco ( talk) 18:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
His website, senatorconroy.com is currently parked, a bit strange. Kestrel7e7 ( talk) 15:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Timeshift9 removed the comments by Michael Malone. I've re-instated these comments, for two reasons:
Can we discuss this here before you do this again? Thanks. cojoco ( talk) 18:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
The article lists him as having Australia/British nationality. This can't be as the Australian Constitution (as interpreted by the High Court) specifically excludes dual nationals from standing for federal parliament unless they have taken all reasonable steps to divest themselves of foreign citizenship. Britain is not among the nations that refuse to accept a surrender of citizenship, and British citizens are foreign nationals for this purpose (as determined by the High Court). Does anyone have any info on Senator Conroy having renounced his British citizenship? Robert Brockway ( talk) 05:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
With no offence to anyone whose comment has been removed (several of which did make good points) - Wikipedia is not for speculation. If you wish to make a real world case, make it in the real world, please. Wikipedia is bound by several policies, three of which are: Wikipedia is not a soapbox, information must be verifiable from independent and reliable sources (i.e. we do not create new facts here) and care must be taken when editing biographies of living persons. Per the ArbCom decision at Footnoted quotes, as an administrator, I have removed the conversation and would ask Robert Brockway to take the point elsewhere. I would think if it were an issue someone would already have brought it to court - Conroy's hardly a non-controversial figure. Orderinchaos 07:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
(ui) I have to say that "citizenship" would be a lot more boring than "nationality" when applied to Australian politicians. cojoco ( talk) 07:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
There are appropriate places to describe the (lack of) merit of the rabbit-proof firewall. This isn't one of them. There's Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (Australia) and Internet censorship in Australia for starters. Andjam ( talk) 03:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
His biography was not available on the Parliamentary webpage for a while; it now appears to be back: Stephen Conroy's Biography —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cojoco ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
You crave a free, open, truthful internet, yet you're prepared to directly contradict yourself by vandalising a webpage. Be against the policies, I am too, but vandalising a page and calling people homos as an insult does no justice. Timeshift ( talk) 09:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Just a note about the vandalism of Conroy's image, the seemingly innocent user has pledged his guilt here. Timeshift ( talk) 09:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
These two statements appear to contradict each other:
From the ABC interview in external links:
STEPHEN CONROY: I've often had people raise my quotes from my contribution in that debate. I think often people haven't read the entire speech.
I support a legislative framework, as I said before. I don't think these are matters that should be left entirely to scientists. I think there is a role for the Parliament in determining some of these issues.
I think the point I made was that while I would prefer there to be a parliamentary framework for the RU486, I think it was, debate, if the actual issue was before Parliament I would probably vote for the distribution of the pill.
People often say, oh no Steve's a conservative Catholic, but they won't ever find on my voting record something that backs that up. I voted against the Northern Territory's euthanasia legislation. I voted for some of the cloning debate. So I voted in, I like to consider the issues on their merits and I voted what some would characterise as conservatively and some would characterise as progressively on a number of issues.
From The Age article cited for the RU486 comment:
He underlined his socially conservative credentials this year by voting against the abortion drug RU486 in a conscience vote.
Can anyone point to what his position actually is on these issues, and on what he actually voted for? Ta! cojoco ( talk) 06:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
He voted against it in the third reading. 220.233.41.31 ( talk) 18:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Two main issues where Stephen Conroy is a central figure are the national broadband network, and mandatory internet censorship. Can we get more information about these two topics on this page?
Stephen attacks people who are against the censorship by suggesting they are supporting child porn. Many view this approach as childish and not becoming of a senator. In addition, the only link included so far mentions filtering to protect children, however his proposed censorship scheme goes far beyond protecting children. It is mandatory for everyone in australia, not just for children. He has also led a trial but excluded the biggest ISPs in australia who offered to assist. He is also pushing this agenda to the protest of the overwhelming majority of australians. Surely we can get more information on that issue here, as it is the primary source of his publicity in the last year.
And with the broadband rollout there was enormous controversy over excluding our biggest telco from the bidding process, for not submitting an accurate tender.
Yes, this is a biography, and other things need to be included, but I do believe that current events that are much more than a fleeting issue should be included. I'll add some information and encourage others to edit and add to it as necessary
I think the Internet Censorship in Australia material merits one paragraph, but it seems to be growing bit by bit. I think we should cull it back to one paragraph soon, and I don't think that comments on Wikileaks bear much relevance to SC's biography. Also, despite all the discussion, the only action has been on ICIA. I think we could do three paragraphs, one on each of ICIA, NBN and DTV? cojoco ( talk) 04:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The youtube censorship request reported on the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8513073.stm
I've requested permanent semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection cojoco ( talk) 23:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
someone will want to add a section here regarding his position on this, and the emerging reports that he'll reform copyright so that ISPs will be held accountable for copyright actions on their network. - 15.195.201.87 ( talk) 02:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Could someone please add something about Senator Conroy giving his mate Kaiser (who was kicked out of parliament for corruption) a $450,000 a year job at NBN (which is employed in a $4.7 billion goverment contract).
http://zgeek.com/content.php/898-Conroy-accused-of-corruption
And a little qoute from the opposition's legal affairs spokesman George Brandis
"I'm accusing him (Senator Conroy) of interfering in the process to secure this job for one of his mates," he told Sky News today.
"The manner in which this was done is plainly, plainly a corrupted process."
Frontier (I'm on wikibooks)
Due to the increasing controversy surrounding Stephen Conroy, I suggest we add a "Controversy" section. Recently Conroy has been involved in a scandal involving Kerry Stokes, owner of Channel 7, and a separate issue involving using his political capital to get his friend, Mike Kaiser, employed in a senior role at the company set up to create the Government's National Broadband Network (NBN).
These controversies need to be added to this page to keep it current and accurate.
References: http://www.news.com.au/national/minister-in-secret-snow-dinner-with-mogul/story-e6frfkw9-1225830083475
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/09/2813886.htm?section=justin
==
Additional reports have emerged that Conroy is under fire over. This Controversy section needs to be added. I'm unable to do so myself as the article is locked. Can we agree upon a section and add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitcloud1 ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
==
I agree, this guy was fairly contraversial from being a conservative voting catholic in a "progressive" party, his most memeworthy moment in politics was how for at least three years he was lambasted for his comments about Spam portals - it was scandalous because he was in charge of ACMA but had no undertanding of the internet. Additionally he was found to have accepted a gift in the form of free accommodation at the alpine lodge of jailed ALP minister Eddie Obeid, Ref: Obeid https://www.9news.com.au/national/conroy-defends-using-obeid-ski-lodge/5fb55fd2-d723-437c-bf1e-adc42932de70 Spam Portals https://www.theregister.com/2010/06/09/conroy_gibber/ https://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/08/oh-dear-conroys-spams-or-scams-in-the-portal/ https://www.techdirt.com/2010/06/23/help-has-arrived-for-australians-worried-about-spams-scams-coming-through-the-portal/ 137.111.13.200 ( talk) 03:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I removed the link to the ACMA blacklist. WP:EL normally forbids links to porn or shock sites, and would definitely forbid links to illegal material under State of Florida law. The existence of the list is already mentioned in the article, but the full list should not be linked.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I re added the link to the ACMA blacklist. WP:EL normally forbids links to porn or shock sites, and would definitely forbid links to illegal material under State of Florida law and this link is not illegal in any way under current Australian law. The existence of the list is already mentioned in the article, and the the full list should also be linked as a reference. 203.48.242.81 ( talk) 05:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
If anyone can find something positive to say about Conroy please either add it here or in the article. We need NPOV, but I'm really struggling. Gregory.currie ( talk) 06:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that this article puts far, far too much weight on the internet censorship policy he spruiked as minister. I suspect this reflects the general attitude of active Wikipedia editors, in the same way as our coverage of (e.g.) Linux distributions is outstanding, we are also generally in favour of "freedom of speech", whatever that means. Obviously the policy should be mentioned, since it's a major source of contention in his portfolio, but it seems odd that we dedicate half the article to this policy and one sentence to the NBN, which most people would suggest is of greater significance.
In the same fashion, it worries me greatly that practically every sentence in the article is "Conroy was criticised by XYZ for ABC". This article is a biography, not a collection of criticisms. It should incorporate such criticism alongside summaries of policy and other relevant information.
I'll probably make the changes myself in the next couple of days, but my inclination is to delete everything past the second paragraph in the internet censorship section, but folding the "internet villain of the year" part into the prose somewhere else. I'll also try to reshape the politics section in general into a couple of different sections (vaguely, opposition and government periods) and bring in some detail rather than a laundry list of everything the man's ever done wrong.
I would have just gone ahead and made the changes myself in the spirit of BRD, but I seem to be tangentially involved in a few BLP disputes at the moment (interestingly being variously accused of being both a Labor and Liberal hack!) and really don't want an edit war. bou·le·var·dier ( talk) 15:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello, as to an edit of January 3: I do not think the epithet Stalinist should be pinned on a politician, since the term is too ambiguous and laden. Can anyone check this? I will not resort to a revert war here. Thanks, Super48paul ( talk) 20:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for getting this fixed! Super48paul ( talk) 13:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I've removed "and also by the Australian Young Labor leader, Kerrie Kahlon, who described said the bills "fundamentally breach the liberal ideal of a free press"." as the views' of Young Labor leaders are not notable. Alans1977 ( talk) 08:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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Conroy has been in the news in 2006 and 2007 for a personal issue: he and his wife commissioned a surrogate pregnancy, which is unusual in Australia. It's not directly relevant to his political career, but he seems to have chosen to make this public and therefore it would seem relevant to his article. Citations: [1] [2]. "Stephen Conroy surrogacy" turns up a lot of archival hits on Google News. Thayvian ( talk) 22:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
In relation to the text saying: "Whilst the the government (Labor party), projected an image of understanding the youth, technology and means of communicating, the filtering policy has been criticised as a waste of money and a failure to understand how these new means are utilised.".... I call that a reference be supplied or that the content be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.1.223.103 ( talk) 11:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
It is clear that for a political figure, the main policies of this person and the most significant criticisms of those policies are relevant to a biographic article. The link between the current Labor government and China is well established and the comparison between Conroy's censorship and China's great firewall has been noted on many news articles and by a wide range of critics. A balanced article should include all notable views on a given subject including both support and criticism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.220.108 ( talk) 06:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
While the internet filter is getting most of the Wikipedia attention, Stephen Conroy is also responsible for the Labor Government's broadband rollout. There should be something in the article about this, too. cojoco ( talk) 18:41, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
His website, senatorconroy.com is currently parked, a bit strange. Kestrel7e7 ( talk) 15:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Timeshift9 removed the comments by Michael Malone. I've re-instated these comments, for two reasons:
Can we discuss this here before you do this again? Thanks. cojoco ( talk) 18:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
The article lists him as having Australia/British nationality. This can't be as the Australian Constitution (as interpreted by the High Court) specifically excludes dual nationals from standing for federal parliament unless they have taken all reasonable steps to divest themselves of foreign citizenship. Britain is not among the nations that refuse to accept a surrender of citizenship, and British citizens are foreign nationals for this purpose (as determined by the High Court). Does anyone have any info on Senator Conroy having renounced his British citizenship? Robert Brockway ( talk) 05:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
With no offence to anyone whose comment has been removed (several of which did make good points) - Wikipedia is not for speculation. If you wish to make a real world case, make it in the real world, please. Wikipedia is bound by several policies, three of which are: Wikipedia is not a soapbox, information must be verifiable from independent and reliable sources (i.e. we do not create new facts here) and care must be taken when editing biographies of living persons. Per the ArbCom decision at Footnoted quotes, as an administrator, I have removed the conversation and would ask Robert Brockway to take the point elsewhere. I would think if it were an issue someone would already have brought it to court - Conroy's hardly a non-controversial figure. Orderinchaos 07:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
(ui) I have to say that "citizenship" would be a lot more boring than "nationality" when applied to Australian politicians. cojoco ( talk) 07:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
There are appropriate places to describe the (lack of) merit of the rabbit-proof firewall. This isn't one of them. There's Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy (Australia) and Internet censorship in Australia for starters. Andjam ( talk) 03:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
His biography was not available on the Parliamentary webpage for a while; it now appears to be back: Stephen Conroy's Biography —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cojoco ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
You crave a free, open, truthful internet, yet you're prepared to directly contradict yourself by vandalising a webpage. Be against the policies, I am too, but vandalising a page and calling people homos as an insult does no justice. Timeshift ( talk) 09:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Just a note about the vandalism of Conroy's image, the seemingly innocent user has pledged his guilt here. Timeshift ( talk) 09:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
These two statements appear to contradict each other:
From the ABC interview in external links:
STEPHEN CONROY: I've often had people raise my quotes from my contribution in that debate. I think often people haven't read the entire speech.
I support a legislative framework, as I said before. I don't think these are matters that should be left entirely to scientists. I think there is a role for the Parliament in determining some of these issues.
I think the point I made was that while I would prefer there to be a parliamentary framework for the RU486, I think it was, debate, if the actual issue was before Parliament I would probably vote for the distribution of the pill.
People often say, oh no Steve's a conservative Catholic, but they won't ever find on my voting record something that backs that up. I voted against the Northern Territory's euthanasia legislation. I voted for some of the cloning debate. So I voted in, I like to consider the issues on their merits and I voted what some would characterise as conservatively and some would characterise as progressively on a number of issues.
From The Age article cited for the RU486 comment:
He underlined his socially conservative credentials this year by voting against the abortion drug RU486 in a conscience vote.
Can anyone point to what his position actually is on these issues, and on what he actually voted for? Ta! cojoco ( talk) 06:30, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
He voted against it in the third reading. 220.233.41.31 ( talk) 18:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Two main issues where Stephen Conroy is a central figure are the national broadband network, and mandatory internet censorship. Can we get more information about these two topics on this page?
Stephen attacks people who are against the censorship by suggesting they are supporting child porn. Many view this approach as childish and not becoming of a senator. In addition, the only link included so far mentions filtering to protect children, however his proposed censorship scheme goes far beyond protecting children. It is mandatory for everyone in australia, not just for children. He has also led a trial but excluded the biggest ISPs in australia who offered to assist. He is also pushing this agenda to the protest of the overwhelming majority of australians. Surely we can get more information on that issue here, as it is the primary source of his publicity in the last year.
And with the broadband rollout there was enormous controversy over excluding our biggest telco from the bidding process, for not submitting an accurate tender.
Yes, this is a biography, and other things need to be included, but I do believe that current events that are much more than a fleeting issue should be included. I'll add some information and encourage others to edit and add to it as necessary
I think the Internet Censorship in Australia material merits one paragraph, but it seems to be growing bit by bit. I think we should cull it back to one paragraph soon, and I don't think that comments on Wikileaks bear much relevance to SC's biography. Also, despite all the discussion, the only action has been on ICIA. I think we could do three paragraphs, one on each of ICIA, NBN and DTV? cojoco ( talk) 04:43, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The youtube censorship request reported on the BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8513073.stm
I've requested permanent semi-protection at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection cojoco ( talk) 23:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
someone will want to add a section here regarding his position on this, and the emerging reports that he'll reform copyright so that ISPs will be held accountable for copyright actions on their network. - 15.195.201.87 ( talk) 02:26, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Could someone please add something about Senator Conroy giving his mate Kaiser (who was kicked out of parliament for corruption) a $450,000 a year job at NBN (which is employed in a $4.7 billion goverment contract).
http://zgeek.com/content.php/898-Conroy-accused-of-corruption
And a little qoute from the opposition's legal affairs spokesman George Brandis
"I'm accusing him (Senator Conroy) of interfering in the process to secure this job for one of his mates," he told Sky News today.
"The manner in which this was done is plainly, plainly a corrupted process."
Frontier (I'm on wikibooks)
Due to the increasing controversy surrounding Stephen Conroy, I suggest we add a "Controversy" section. Recently Conroy has been involved in a scandal involving Kerry Stokes, owner of Channel 7, and a separate issue involving using his political capital to get his friend, Mike Kaiser, employed in a senior role at the company set up to create the Government's National Broadband Network (NBN).
These controversies need to be added to this page to keep it current and accurate.
References: http://www.news.com.au/national/minister-in-secret-snow-dinner-with-mogul/story-e6frfkw9-1225830083475
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/09/2813886.htm?section=justin
==
Additional reports have emerged that Conroy is under fire over. This Controversy section needs to be added. I'm unable to do so myself as the article is locked. Can we agree upon a section and add it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitcloud1 ( talk • contribs) 01:00, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
==
I agree, this guy was fairly contraversial from being a conservative voting catholic in a "progressive" party, his most memeworthy moment in politics was how for at least three years he was lambasted for his comments about Spam portals - it was scandalous because he was in charge of ACMA but had no undertanding of the internet. Additionally he was found to have accepted a gift in the form of free accommodation at the alpine lodge of jailed ALP minister Eddie Obeid, Ref: Obeid https://www.9news.com.au/national/conroy-defends-using-obeid-ski-lodge/5fb55fd2-d723-437c-bf1e-adc42932de70 Spam Portals https://www.theregister.com/2010/06/09/conroy_gibber/ https://delimiter.com.au/2010/06/08/oh-dear-conroys-spams-or-scams-in-the-portal/ https://www.techdirt.com/2010/06/23/help-has-arrived-for-australians-worried-about-spams-scams-coming-through-the-portal/ 137.111.13.200 ( talk) 03:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I removed the link to the ACMA blacklist. WP:EL normally forbids links to porn or shock sites, and would definitely forbid links to illegal material under State of Florida law. The existence of the list is already mentioned in the article, but the full list should not be linked.-- ♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 07:08, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I re added the link to the ACMA blacklist. WP:EL normally forbids links to porn or shock sites, and would definitely forbid links to illegal material under State of Florida law and this link is not illegal in any way under current Australian law. The existence of the list is already mentioned in the article, and the the full list should also be linked as a reference. 203.48.242.81 ( talk) 05:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
If anyone can find something positive to say about Conroy please either add it here or in the article. We need NPOV, but I'm really struggling. Gregory.currie ( talk) 06:34, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me that this article puts far, far too much weight on the internet censorship policy he spruiked as minister. I suspect this reflects the general attitude of active Wikipedia editors, in the same way as our coverage of (e.g.) Linux distributions is outstanding, we are also generally in favour of "freedom of speech", whatever that means. Obviously the policy should be mentioned, since it's a major source of contention in his portfolio, but it seems odd that we dedicate half the article to this policy and one sentence to the NBN, which most people would suggest is of greater significance.
In the same fashion, it worries me greatly that practically every sentence in the article is "Conroy was criticised by XYZ for ABC". This article is a biography, not a collection of criticisms. It should incorporate such criticism alongside summaries of policy and other relevant information.
I'll probably make the changes myself in the next couple of days, but my inclination is to delete everything past the second paragraph in the internet censorship section, but folding the "internet villain of the year" part into the prose somewhere else. I'll also try to reshape the politics section in general into a couple of different sections (vaguely, opposition and government periods) and bring in some detail rather than a laundry list of everything the man's ever done wrong.
I would have just gone ahead and made the changes myself in the spirit of BRD, but I seem to be tangentially involved in a few BLP disputes at the moment (interestingly being variously accused of being both a Labor and Liberal hack!) and really don't want an edit war. bou·le·var·dier ( talk) 15:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello, as to an edit of January 3: I do not think the epithet Stalinist should be pinned on a politician, since the term is too ambiguous and laden. Can anyone check this? I will not resort to a revert war here. Thanks, Super48paul ( talk) 20:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for getting this fixed! Super48paul ( talk) 13:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I've removed "and also by the Australian Young Labor leader, Kerrie Kahlon, who described said the bills "fundamentally breach the liberal ideal of a free press"." as the views' of Young Labor leaders are not notable. Alans1977 ( talk) 08:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
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Where is the evidence Conroy has been appointed a Companion of the Order of Australia?