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Offtoriorob made this strange set of edits (none of which had an edit summary). Comments:
Offtoriorob says on my user talk page:
Sure, let's discuss. Why the need to say in article text who said such and such when a footnote makes this perfectly clear? -- Hoary ( talk) 04:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Off2riorob, is there a reason you are trying to foster a discussion in the article instead of in talk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fasttimes68 ( talk • contribs) 04:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
After reading the article again, I came to the same conclusion that the word "lesbian" was overused and tried to edit it so it does not give the article undue weight. I do feel the following facts need to be included in the article in some form.
-- Fasttimes68 ( talk) 05:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, Ms Adams may well have indicated in the past that she was sexually attracted to persons of her own gender. More recent events indicate that she may possibly have changed her mind. What the %*&% has this got to do with anything remotely of interest to Wikipedia? She appears to have made a successful career out of looking attractive while not wearing clothes (which I'm sure she does), and no doubt also by encouraging a certain amount of fantasizing about her sexual proclivities. If people are gullible enough to mistake such fantasizing for reality, and are now disappointed that their fantasies are no longer sustainable, that is their problem, not Wikipedia's. Regardless of who she is attracted to, it isn't likely to be you (or me), so how about focusing the article on content that is (a) verifiable, and (b) relevant to what makes Ms Adams notable? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 05:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Similar, but different, to another article about a gay man that Rob and I were involved in, this situation is pretty straightforward. Because she has specifically and actively shown that she is no longer a lesbian, we shouldn't be using any categories in relation to that. However, for coverage in the article, we should be following the sources, which show that her calling herself a lesbian in the past and her actions in relation to that are a clear part of her notability, with both her Playmate actions and her creation of websites.
First off, I don't believe this source is used in the article yet, so you might want to add it to shore up some stuff.
Second, according to both the prior source and this direct source, she was given the place of Best Lesbian Sex Symbol in 2004 by Village Voice. This should be in the article.
Third, as this source already in use in the article states, the lesbian community website that she created is called Sapphica. Why isn't this stated in the article, while her Goddessy website is? Silver seren C 08:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
It may be hilarious (as intended), but tabloid sources, which is practically all of them in this article including the VV "award" (read the text there if in doubt), are poor sources per WP:BLPSOURCES. FuFoFuEd ( talk) 16:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Given all the fussing, the flaring of tempers, and that the subject is unhappy with many parts of this article, and that her notability is not great (and very minimal beyond Playboy), I'd like to propose that we redirect this article to the appropriate list of playmates. I find it quite disconcerting, and am unsurprised that the subject has similar feelings, when such a thin article contains such highly personal trivia as measurements, sexuality, and formerly the names of her husband and young son. Her notability stems from a Playboy appearance 19 years ago, and the majority of the rest of the content of the article is fluff. I see little to be gained by keeping the article, and WP:BLP1E would seem to apply, so redirecting makes sense. Is anyone strongly opposed to redirecting? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
This lady has her own official web sites and does not need a "free for all" editing site to place a biography or anything else for that matter. If I were her, I would ask to be removed from this venue entirely. 108.41.20.227 ( talk) 20:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Let's look at who she is. She was a black playmate in 1992 who came out as gay and then years later switched to straight. That's about it. I think the gay/straight thing is not notable at all. So, the only question to me is whether a black bunny (formerly lesbian) is inherently notable. If not, the article should go. It's true she's gotten a lot of third-party coverage, but that's mainly related to the black-bunny-lesbian thing. The civil lawsuit was derivative - wouldn't have made a blip on the screen if it hasn't been for who she was at that time. Indeed, probably a lawsuit like that brought by any bunny would get coverage. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it survived an AfD.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
It sounds like we're just giving up because we have trouble agreeing on how to write the article. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 01:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
There has been a long-running edit war between editors and sockpuppets related to the subject of this article. Following a recent discussion at WP:ANI regarding the latest skirmish, I noticed that Stephanie Adams had received a fair amount of coverage due to her recent lawsuit win. I got in contact with the subject to ensure that she was ok with having a biography on Wikipedia. She was. Other than offering me links to older versions of the article that existed on the web, Adams provided me no sources and gave me no compensation. My hope is that if there is an article here, perhaps the edit-warring over including her in other areas of Wikpedia will resolve itself. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Since you seem to know, please enlighten us to the concerns of Ms Adams. Perhaps they can be accommodated. Fasttimes68 ( talk) 18:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Suggest that a new AFD isn't beyond imagination right now, the last one was around nine months ago, so perhaps there's something new to discuss? Continuous AFD-warring should be discouraged, but perhaps those who seek to recreate deleted material have something new to bring to the argument. The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
A few comments:
My tuppence. I've no major objection to a DRV but I feel it would affirm the content and thereby be simple process wonkery. -- Errant ( chat!) 08:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Two issues:
@ Delicious Carbuncle--what are the chances of getting some free pics from her? Something representative of her work at Venus or Playboy? – Lionel ( talk) 03:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The tidbit added recently was removed because it appears to be trivia, not a significant fact in Adams' career (of over 20 years in modeling, and over over 12 years in writing). According to the article about the course, Adams seemed to have defied the title of the course and was quoted as saying "I really did marry for love. Honestly-I didn’t care about meeting someone successful. I already had seven figures in the bank, so I didn’t need my husband’s seven figures. Women should find someone they’re really happy with, not just seek out men for their bank account. And if you’re not attracted to a man, the marriage is not going to work out." Perhaps if this was added, they should have added that major comment, which was significant. I might add it back with this mentioning, or simply keep it out because it is trivia (unimportant). 98.14.172.174 ( talk) 15:07, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
An example of the removal of comments from this talk page. Better read this. In short, never remove a comment by somebody with whom you disagree: let somebody uninvolved remove it, if it needs to be removed. But I see no reason why this comment needed to be removed. -- Hoary ( talk) 09:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
This edit reverts an IP's edit with the summary "sock edit". The IP's talk page doesn't suggest that he or she is accused by anyone of being a "sock". Better not throw around assertions such as this. -- Hoary ( talk) 09:53, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
I just fully protected this article on the The Wrong Version. Talk the issues out here, not in edit summaries. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
(Self-plagiarizing from WP:BLP/N): The section titled LGBT activism has no mention of SA's having done anything of note other than starting and running a website, or having said anything of note. Two of the four sources adduced for this claim that she founded the online lesbian community Sapphica.com, which was active from 2003 until 2009 are sapphica.com itself, one is a press release, and the fourth is this article, which says nothing beyond a bare mention. If Sapphica.com was described (let alone praised) elsewhere, good; otherwise the section seems to exaggerate. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:28, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Adams gave speeches for Gay Pride several times, as her appearances were noted here and here. These are just a few brief links among many other sources that confirm her LGBT activism and if you search the Archive site or here, you can see for yourself that sapphica.com was created for the purpose of being an online resource for the LGBT community. ~Buk. T. 107.6.124.27 ( talk) 20:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Adams gave a speech for Gay Pride 2004 in NYC via Heritage of Pride. It was announced in the HOP Pride Guide. She was also announced for giving a speech on August 28 that same year in Jersey City for JCLGO, their version of Heritage of Pride. I read about her giving a speech in Staten Island as well. The links can be found if you look for them in archives such as these: http://web.archive.org/web/20040604170426/http://www.hopinc.org/events/rally.cfm http://web.archive.org/web/20040620075817/http://www.hopinc.org/events/bioDetails.cfm?bioNo=51 or her media page which lists a lot of the LGBT events she was a part of: http://www.goddessy.com/PressInformation/MediaCoverage.htm But no one really questions her LGBT activism here but one person. 98.14.172.209 ( talk) 01:37, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Adams attended college at Fairleigh Dickinson University and graduated before posing for Playboy in 1992, with dual degrees in business management and marketing. It was mentioned in her Playboy pictorial as well as some of the links already sourced in this article. So why was it abruptly removed by editors recently? Is it merely an attempt to keep her name off the Fairleigh Dickinson page that lists alumni? Regardless, that is not an accurate or neutral edit. By the way, sources about someone graduating college 20 years ago when the internet was not so popular is understandably scarce, but still available, nonetheless. It is indeed a fact and should not be a debate or cause for an edit war. ~Buk. T.
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If Playboy wasn't a reliable enough source, playmates and their stats, etc. would not be listed here. Her being a graduate from Fairleigh Dickinson University was featured in her Playboy pictorial. Just look up a copy, they have them online for sale for almost nothing. The school and details of her educational background were mentioned aka published, so it's highly accurate here. 98.14.172.209 ( talk) 01:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
No one here is in a position to confirm, deny, or question what is written in an article. As long as a mentioning on Wikipedia is sourced and not controversial, it can be added. Adams attending college is, in fact, sourced and is not controversial. Therefore it was added by an expert editor in the past article, was added by an expert editor again, and there is no valid reason to remove it. Yoya7 ( talk) 14:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
No, you're wrong. As long as her being a FDU graduate is sourced by her Playboy issue, her biography, an independent article sourced such as The Observer, Linkedin, etc., and it is undeniably not a controversial or unbelievable comment, it is an obvious fact that should stay in the Wikipedia article. And from what I see in this page, you are probably better off not getting involved anyway. Bowwowbow ( talk) 18:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Keep the college fact and add the case she won over guardianship. That was sourced on NJ.com. Yoya7 ( talk) 19:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Per her diploma, she graduated in 1992. It seems that this fact should be included in her biography?
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Removed. The sentence was elaborated upon for clarification but during an edit war, someone removed it. Clearly Adams' statement in the report sourced conflicted with the course, therefore showing that she was not teaching such a course, and overall, it is unimportant trivia that does not relate to her lengthy career as a model. Efradestot ( talk) 14:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
If it's not immediately clear what this is about, the key word within it is course. "Efradestot" (now blocked as a puppet) is referring to the small amount of material deleted in this edit. The phrase contentious material appears in " WP:BLP", which says, inter alia (and after some markup stripping):
As I understand the page, the contention referred to is that over the verifiability (and thereby veracity) of what's said. Arguably, a particular element of the article may not contribute to the general thrust(s) of the rest of the article, or may not reflect well on the subject. What's arguable can of course be argued against, but as I understand "WP:BLP", such arguments don't make material "contentious" as discussed there.
Should the material stay, or shouldn't it? While it doesn't paint the event or its participants in a favorable light, it's not scurrilous and it doesn't vilify SA -- whom it does actually describe, unlike much (all?) of the other material, which merely says she's tall, black and good-looking. Further, this is about an event in which SA did more than appear and be photographed. So I'd say that this edit should be reverted, though I'm open to persuasion to the contrary. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I agree with deleting the sentence, since it have been so controversial since several years ago, and unnecessary in my opinion. The source used states that only 75 women have attended the course, and this can't be a significant number at all. I have tried googling the name of the course + Adams name, and found less than 10 results if excepting Wikipedia and its mirror websites. Courses is a very routine thing, and can be taught doezens of time a year. Furthermore, it seems that Adams herself have taught several other courses already, but non of them sounds really widely-known -- aad_Dira ( talk) 17:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC).
In 2004, Adams taught a course non-related to her profession. Adams has a rich modelling career of more than 20 years. What she taught in 2004 only to a class of 75 has no relevance when talking about her whole life. So there is absolutely no relevance for the sentence to be present on Wikipedia page. However, the guardianship case is relevant. Wikipedia is required to provide authentic and useful information only. -- user: Editorkabaap —Preceding undated comment added 13:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
She Magazine -- Cover Girl Update -- June 2003 GO NYC -- Cover Model & Article -- July 18 - August 8, 2003 Playboy Magazine -- "Playmate News" -- August 2003 New York Blade -- Local Life By Rachel Kramer Bussel - August 2003 New York Post -- "Page Six" By Richard Johnson -- Thursday, August 28, 2003 She Magazine -- Powerful Reading For Fall By Diane Wilde -- September 2003 BlackGayUK.com -- Top 10 People Honored For 2003 Playboy Magazine -- "Playmate News" -- Playboy's 50th Anniversary January 2004 Collector's Edition GO NYC -- Holiday Shopping Guide -- December 12 - January 31, 2004 New York Post -- "Page Six" By Richard Johnson -- Saturday, January 17, 2004 GayCenter.org -- February 2004 -- Volume 19, ISSUE 2 New York Blade -- April 16, 2004 GO NYC -- Arts And Entertainment -- May 7 - June 11, 2004 GayWired.com -- Lesbian Media Blender (05.04.04) By Kathy Bliss & Madge Mucker Next Magazine -- June 2004 Pride Guide GayLinkNews.com -- July 15, 2004 She Magazine -- December 2004 QueerDay.com -- December 3, 2004 She Magazine -- February 2005 -- Cover To Cover By Diane Wilde OutProfessionals.org -- Wednesday, March 29, 2006 WPIX News -- Saturday, February 11, 2012
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All of these articles are just a few that mention Miss Adams as an author.
There is a long list of media coverage via: http://www.goddessy.com/PressInformation/MediaCoverage.htm
Also regarding the guardianship case: Just as the NJ lawsuit was a major turning in the point of life of Stephanie Adams and one without which her story cannot be completed so was the guardianship case. It received some well known media coverage too and states of a major event in her time lifeline. It seems quite relevant for it being to be included in the page. -- Editorkabaap ( talk) 23:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi all. Just following up on an email here. I've fully-protected the article here for a while. I'll review the situation in a week or so, but I'll probably drop it to semi-protection. As this article has had issues with sockpuppetry, I intend to keep it on my watchlist from now on - Alison ❤ 18:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Two odd deletions:
Well well.
-- Hoary ( talk) 13:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
WP:NOTNEWS actually applies to the Learning Annex trivia, not the guardianship case, because that one time, once reported event served as an uneventful diary moment.
The importance of her guardianship case holds even more weight than her NYPD lawsuit. Unlike a single police incident, it was a significant event about a significant person in her life and even though it didn't involve a million dollar judgment, there was an important person in her life involved who is also mentioned in her early life -- aad_Dira ( talk) 16:46, 25 July 2012 (UTC).
I don't think either of these are particularly contentious, and the guardianship case might be vaguely notable in regards to her life. A single sentence about each shouldn't be a big deal, though inclusion of the Learning Annex certainly opens the door to criticism of the class from reliable sources. Finally, we don't need a source saying something is "a major event in her time lifeline" or any such nonsense, because sources almost never say anything like that. There probably aren't sources for most of our BLPs that say "x event is a major moment of their life". These sorts of things don't need that kind of qualification. A single sentence is more than enough with a source, and adding it shouldn't be that much of an issue. I understand that there is quite a bit of ire against Adams online, but that also shouldn't be a factor when editing this article. AniMate 08:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey. Found a copy of Adams' diploma from University on her website. She graduated in 1992. Yes, it's a primary source, but it seems that information should be included in the page. What does everyone think?
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It's not required and I would suggest ignoring requests from blocked sockpuppets. IRWolfie- ( talk) 17:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I just happened by the article and notice some of it has the stilted effect of information that is heavily challenged, and that it could use a bit of reorganization. The LGBT section in particular seems random. I gather that Ms. Adams has made conflicting statements about her sexuality. Could I get a discussion going on what the section should say and how it should be said in a neutral tone? Pkeets ( talk) 14:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Another question: Is there some disagreement about the NJ guardianship case being noteworthy enough to mention here? She's notable enough that this and the police lawsuit both made the papers, so they're fair game to be mentioned in the article. Pkeets ( talk) 01:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Just skimming this, it looks like you may have some sort of personal vendetta going on? Pkeets ( talk) 01:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I gather there have now been more than three reversions of the guardianship information with only opinions given as a reason? That's acting in bad faith according to Wikipedia guidelines. I already said above that the case is mentioned in two of the listed references, regardless that it is referenced to only one in the Wikipedia article. A quick Google locates other possible citations of reasonable quality. Sentences like the one about her diploma which cite four or five different sources don't really do anything to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles. I would recommend removing some of the citation lineup on that sentence and also retaining the guardianship information which is properly cited and relevant to the section where it was placed. "Looks like news reporting on a slow day" is not a proper argument. Please provide clear and reasonable reasons as to why you think it needs several citations for inclusion. Meanwhile, I'll assemble a few. Pkeets ( talk) 01:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Since there's a request for it, I did the research on her publication. I gather you want to add this info to the article? Since I've gone to all this trouble, I'll go ahead and do that. She's clearly establishing a brand, but don't confuse that with the publishing houses. That's nothing unusual for celebrities, like having their own clothing line. It means she's good at marketing. I notice she did go to publishing her own Goddessy books in about 2007. I see that some of these are available in ebook editions as well as print, but I'll let someone else do that research if there's enough interest in it. Pkeets ( talk) 02:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me, Fasttimes68, but you should join the discussion about changes to the article before you make reversions. I went to quite a bit of research to find the publishers as requested by Hoary. Continued reversions without discussion is grounds for administrative action. Pkeets ( talk) 02:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
If there's to be a consensus, then there needs to be a discussion. Please provide arguments and not opinions regarding the points now in contention. 1) Hoary suggested that the publications shouldn't be listed as they were self-published. However, the listing of publishers proves this is not the fact. Please provide other arguments. 2) IRWolfie suggested that the guardianship statement is unimportant because it was only cited once. Will additional citations make this look important enough for inclusion? Pkeets ( talk) 02:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Admin note: You guys know the drill (and if you're new, or you don't, please see WP:EW and WP:BLP. Now you know the drill!). Reverting is not a substitute for discussion, and if discussion is ongoing, it is inappropriate to continue reverting. If discussion here isn't adequate, try WP:BLPN or WP:DRN. I've seen too many reverts today as it is. If I see any more reverting going on, it's back to full-protection, most likely for longer this time since these disputes seem to arise so regularly. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 03:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Below is material from the quasi-archive (see below) about the publication of these books.
These books [...] don't seem to have survived the whittling process that produces the kind of books that are reviewed, discussed, or bought. This is publishing of a very low order. -- Hoary 03:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the publisher of each book, so it can be more easily seen what is going on here. There are four publishers:
From reading their sites, all four seem to meet most definitions of vanity presses. I could not see anything one way or another about their being e-books. However, all that evaluation is original research on my part; I have not seen any published source say anything one way or another about the quality of Ms. Adams's books. As I wrote before, I still think they're worth about one line each - no more, and no less. This is nothing special about Ms. Adams -- if another person we have an article about for reasons other than being an author publishes a widely available vanity press book, I also think that would be worth briefly mentioning in their article. Since Jimbo's semi-protection has blocked both of our anonymous contributors from editing without first logging in, perhaps we will have a bit of peaceful discussion about this, rather than an edit war. AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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An old version of the article tells me that the fourth is Infinity Publishing. Well, let's look at these four:
It seems that "four separate companies" is a slight exaggeration, and that each of the four imprints is a way for people to have published books that most publishers wouldn't bother with, or more bluntly a vanity publisher. "Self-published author" seems kinder than "vanity-published author". -- Hoary ( talk) 00:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
The publishers are Dubsar House, New Age World, PublishAmerica, and Infinity Publishing. Dubsar House describes itself as Purveyors of the Finest in Chivalric Regalia / Gateway to Contemporary Fraternal Orders of Excellence, it seems no longer to publish books. New Age World (Specializing in Books about the Unknown and Mysterious, the Beautiful, and the Enlightening!) is indeed rather mysterious. PublishAmerica says that it doesn't charge; it's a print-on-demand arrangement that has had its problems. Infinity Publishing provides you with the easiest and most comprehensive self-publishing experience. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:05, 3 August 2011 (UTC)For a simpler summary, see Gwen Gale on the matter in October 2008 (and see also the section immediately below that one within the quasi-archive). -- Hoary ( talk) 23:46, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Setting aside the discussion of the quality of Ms. Adams's books for a moment and getting back to the quality of the article: Could I get approval/consensus for these changes? Two out of the four citations on the degree sentence contain no reference to it or to the University. The last couple of sentences of the second paragraph are re-written to improve readability. If I don't get any discussion within a reasonable length of time, I'll assume consensus.
After graduating from Ophelia DeVore School of Charm, then appearing in photo shoots for Seventeen magazine, Venus Swimwear, and commercial advertisements for Clairol,[2] Adams appeared as "Miss November 1992" in Playboy magazine.[1] She also earned a bachelor's degree at Fairleigh Dickinson University in 1992[3][5] while modeling for Wilhelmina Models. She later moved to Elite Model Management after becoming engaged to its CEO, John Casablancas.[6] Adams has appeared on the cover of Village Voice.[7] She made a cameo appearance for the "Top 10" list on the Late Show with David Letterman on November 20, 2003, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Playboy magazine.[8] During the early 1990s, Adams also appeared in several documentaries/videos issued by Playboy.[6] In 1999, Adams founded Goddessy, according to her a portmanteau of "goddess" and "odyssey". She published her first book in 2003, and started her own publishing company in 2007. Following the death of her aunt from breast cancer in 2003, she dedicated more of her time to writing. That same year, she published a book dedicated to her deceased aunt titled He Only Takes The Best, followed by another book written in honor of her elderly Aunt Pearl titled Guardian. Adams has produced about two dozen metaphysical books and astrology calendars marketed under the Goddessy brand.[9][10] She has also published articles, novels and non-fiction books including Empress in 2004, a novel featuring women in ancient Rome.[11]
The archives of this discussion page have been "courtesy blanked", but it's fairly easy to view a quasi-archive by looking at those earlier versions of the discussion page that came immediately before a volume reduction. I may have missed one or two, but I think most are below:
-- Hoary ( talk) 23:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
In response to the above discussion on LGBT activism, I've researched Adams' appearances and decided that these do indicate a pattern of activism. Therefore, I propose that we reestablish the section on LGBT activism with the following text. Please respond with discussion. If there's no discussion by Tuesday, I'll expect there is consensus to add the section. I'll come up with an additional section to handle what's cut from this paragraph in the current article.
In a February 2003 She magazine cover story, Adams came out as a lesbian, the first Playmate to have done so.[13] In their 2004 "Best of", the Village Voice declared her the "Best lesbian sex symbol", saying it was "hard to turn a page in a queer rag without seeing the willowy model peeking out in a bikini, or nothing at all".[14] Following this announcement, Adams was featured at a number of LGBT activist events, appearing as a speaker, announcer and spokesperson. Selective appearances include the Human Rights Campaign "National Coming Out Day" in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, on October 11, 2003, sponsored by The Women's Alliance of South Florida; [2] Heritage of Pride, NYC Gay Pride 2004 Rally, on 20 June 2004, [3], the The 36th Annual Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender PRIDE March on 26 June 2005 [4] and on 26 June 2006, [5]; the Jersey City Lesbian & Gay Outreach, 28 August 2004, [6] [7] [8] and Out Professionals on 29 March 2006; [9]. In addition, Adams served as sponsor and made a special appearance for the Publishing Triangle book expo on 12 June 2004. [10] On 31 January 2006, Adams was announced as the featured spokeswoman for PsychoTherapy Clothing's Gay and Lesbian t-shirt line. Company president Keith Knight was quoted as saying, "PsychoTherapy Clothing has chosen Stephanie Adams to represent our brand because of her pioneering spirit and outspoken voice." [11]
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More later. Pkeets ( talk) 19:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's something else we might consider adding to the article. Any comments?
"Stephanie was on the cover of last year’s Village Voice gay pride edition and has been featured in and on the cover of various publications including Bazaar, Cosmopolitan, ELLE, She Magazine, Curve, GO NYC, Next, The Weekly News, DIVA, The Advocate, New York Observer, Time Out New York, The Daily News, The New York Post, New York Newsday and many more."
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Adams has appeared on the cover of Village Voice,[7] and has been featured within and on the cover of publications including Bazaar, Cosmopolitan, ELLE, She Magazine, Curve, GO NYC, Next, The Weekly News, DIVA, The Advocate, New York Observer, Time Out New York, The Daily News, The New York Post, New York Newsday and others. [1] She made a cameo appearance for the "Top 10" list on the Late Show with David Letterman on November 20, 2003, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Playboy magazine.[8]
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I have "procedurally closed" the pending AfD discussion on this article without a result. There is evidence of major problems with user conduct surrounding this AfD and this article, to the point that the integrity of the AfD discussion has been irreparably compromised. There are also allegations of significant off-wiki misconduct by one or more editors who have participated in this discussion, which is being looked into. Anyone with evidence concerning off-wiki misconduct by editors on this article or AfD should please forward it to the Arbitration Committee via e-mail. If editors without any connection, either positive or negative, with the article subject wish to pursue deletion of this article, they can do so later on after the current concerns are resolved.
As a more general comment, it might be best if quite a number of people stepped away from seeking to edit or discussing this article for a few days, until all aspects of the current situation can be addressed. Newyorkbrad ( talk) 14:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Please disambiguate: cover story → Article (publishing), with appropriate piping. Thanks. -- Bejnar ( talk) 08:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Barring any objections in the next week, expect List of Playboy Playmates of 1992#November to be modified so that it starts off with
If anyone has any objections, please discuss it at Talk:List of Playboy Playmates of 1992#Stephanie Adams (January 2014). davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 04:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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Stephanie Adams is a model, not someone who specializes in metaphysics, as a philosopher, therefore, the "Category: American metaphysics writers" is redundant. For this reason I propose removing this category of the article.-- Alexis0112 ( talk) 16:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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Old #1:
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=12 April 2012}}</ref>
New #1:
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20051202020706/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|arcivedate=2005-12-02}}</ref>
Old #2:
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=21 April 2012}}</ref>
New #2:
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140531232021/http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archivedate=31 May 2014}}</ref>
Primary rationale: Get rid of hidden maintenance categories. Secondary rationale: Provide archive-urls for these two references. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 23:41, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
<ref name=wkp>{{cite web|url=http://www.playboy.com/girls/playmates/directory/199211.html |title=Stephanie Adams |work=playboy.com |accessdate=August 21, 2011}}</ref>
and the current ref. 2 is <ref>Jocelyn Voo, "[http://web.archive.org/web/20070927011303/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html Stephanie Adams: Honing Her Craft]", ''[[Curve (magazine)|Curve Magazine]],'' April 2005.</ref>
There is no correspondence; the change would be too great. --
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Please fix up three references. The net effect will be to merge a "print" reference with is corresponding "URL" reference and provide and archive URL for that reference, and to provide a URL and archiveurl for the third reference. It will also remove the page from two malformed-citation-related maintenance categories.
Request #1:
Change the reference immediately after the text "and [[Cherokee]] ancestry." FROM
<ref>Jocelyn Voo, "[http://web.archive.org/web/20070927011303/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html Stephanie Adams: Honing Her Craft]", ''[[Curve (magazine)|Curve Magazine]],'' April 2005.</ref>
TO:
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20051202020706/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|archivedate=2005-12-02}}</ref>
Note: This changes the archive.org archiveurl from the 2007 archive to the 2005 archive. They are substantially identical in content. It also adds "page 57." This is a side-effect of harmonizing this reference with the one in the next request.
Request #2:
Change the SECOND reference immediately after the text "marketed under the ''Goddessy'' brand." FROM
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=12 April 2012}}</ref>
TO
<ref name="Curve" />
This has the desired effect of providing a URL and archiveURL to the reference. It has the side-effect of changing the accessdate from 2012 to 2014.
Request #3:
Change the SECOND reference immediately after the text "fined $2,700 for the incident." FROM
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=21 April 2012}}</ref>
TO
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140531232021/http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archivedate=31 May 2014}}</ref>
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The Jocelyn Voo reference in the 1st sentence of the "Early Life" section does NOT support the claim that this person is of African-American ancestry. Egyptian and "West Indian" (West Indies? Native American? The source is not clear) ancestry, yes, but not "African American."
Please either add {{citation needed|date=June 2014}} after "She has [[African American]]," or strike the entire sentence "She has [[African American]], [[Caucasian race|Caucasian]], and [[Cherokee]] ancestry." and the Jocelyn Voo reference that follows. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 23:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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The book Racialized Politics of Desire in Personal Ads by Neal A. Lester and Maureen Daly Goggin; Lexington Books ( Rowman & Littlefield), 2007, says on page 151 that: "Stephanie Adams, an African American..." This was mentioned above. So, is there some reason that her race has been removed from the Wikipedia bio? Is this source not reliable, or do we need additional sources to prove race beyond a reasonable doubt? Also, do people here realize that Egypt is in Africa? - 2001:558:1400:10:4D59:6811:C2AD:E3D5 ( talk) 19:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree that her ethnicity should be added back. It is neither controversial nor unbelievable. It is documented in her Playboy pictorial and her web site, also in other articles online. AngelAdvocate ( talk) 15:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't her web site mention her ancestry as Black, White and Native American? It has been noted in her pictorial as well. Not sure why it was removed recently. She looks mixed race too.
Also, she has had several updates to be noted. For one, she has a reported celebrity net worth of $4 million. Also, she now owns two businesses besides Goddessy. Both Goddessy Organics and Wall Street Chiropractic have her name and photos on their company web sites. Several articles and interviews online mention both corporations along with her ownership.
AngelAdvocate ( talk) 00:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I am new here but will try to figure out how to put that request in. Have you done it already? Her companies have gotten a significant amount of press lately - Just google "wall street chiropractic stephanie adams" and "stephanie adams goddessy organics" - Both company web sites goddessyorganics.com and chironewyork.com clearly list her as the owner and include her photograph. AngelAdvocate ( talk) 15:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
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Stephanie Adams is now the owner of Goddessy Organics (see www.goddessyorganics.com) and Wall Street Chiropractic (see www.chironewyork.com) but both organizations have not been mentioned here on Wikipedia. Both companies have received a tremendous amount of press if you google them, so shouldn't they be added on such a valued source like this one?
Also, her ethnicity was removed but it is clear that she is of mixed race, both in her pictorial as well as her official web site listed here as www.stephanieadams.com. I am among a few others who believe her ethnicity is neither controversial nor unbelievable and should be added back as it has been listed for many years already, with no question.
Anything else to add, like her being an investor and entrepreneur? She is mentioned in articles on Yahoo Finance, Price of Business for Bloomberg, Celebrity Net Worth (of $4M) and several more.
Thank you for reading. AngelAdvocate ( talk) 16:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
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Stephanie Adams is the owner of Goddessy Organics and Wall Street Chiropractic. I am requesting this information be added to the article about her.
Sources:
http://www.goddessyorganics.com
http://au.pfinance.yahoo.com/photos/photo/-/22073503/how-i-made-1-million/22073513/
http://www.priceofbusiness.com/?p=3688&print=1
http://www.priceofbusiness.com/?p=3705&print=1
http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=style&sc=home&sc2=features&sc3=&id=158300
http://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/13/The-Real-Face-Behind-The-Illuminati
http://domainnameadvice.com/stephanie-adams-on-brandable-and-geo-business-domain-names/
Soho527 ( talk) 18:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Goddessy is her book publishing company but Goddessy Organics is her skincare business. It is not noted on Wikipedia even though she is the business owner http://www.goddessyorganics.com/who-we-are.html
As to a third party source that can spell a name that is often spelled Nicolai or Nicolai, they spell it right here http://www.law360.com/m/articles/508474/too-cute-yoga-teacher-can-t-show-bias-ex-bosses-say
The goddessy organics page also acknowledges her as the owner of Wall Street Chiropractic. It is obvious that she is, given the sources. Here is another one http://chironewyork.com/about-us.html
I will look for more links in the meantime, if needed.
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 05:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. I'm not sure why her page is fully protected when most biographies aren't, but I do believe her own web site is sufficient http://www.goddessyorganics.com/who-we-are.html to mention her skincare company or even this link which is one of many third party sources listed http://www.edgeboston.com/style/home/features//158300/who%E2%80%99s_your_mama?_10_unique_mother%E2%80%99s_day_gifts She also has a two page spread in the May 2014 issue of Fashion Affair Magazine pgs. 83-84 http://issuu.com/topboutiqueshop/docs/may_2014_preview_d292e5acbfce27 All the links mentioned above note her as the owner of Goddessy Organics. Can this be included along with her books and tarot cards amongst the "Goddessy" brand?
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 03:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
In every single source mentioned prior, as well as other ones if you google "stephanie adams goddessy organics" you will see her always noted as the "founder and CEO" of Goddessy Organics, not just the creator and not even as a co-owner. Her being the founder and CEO is even noted as such on the Goddessy Organics web site.
Is a former model owning a skincare business so remarkable or controversial? It can simply be included as a one sentence fact or a few words included as part of the Goddessy brand.
And by the way, the numerous interviews and articles I listed are reliable third party sources, not paid advertisements.
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The statement and Voo source on her ancestry that was hastily removed from the article was sufficiently supported by the source. It's available in the history. Please add that back. In addition, please add the Politics of Desire source as additional support for the statement. I believe it's already used in the article, so it would be helpful to name it. See here: Racialized Politics of Desire in Personal Ads, retrieved 4 June 2014 Pkeets ( talk) 10:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Adams is an exotic mix of Black, White and American Indian (specifically West Indian, Cherokee Indian, English, Welsh, Italian and Egyptian).Compare that to the previous Curve magazine source which says
Part Cherokee, West Indian, Italian and Egyptian, Adams was also the first Playboy centerfold to come out.It looks like the "African American" label is referring to her West Indian heritage, not (or at least not only) to her Egyptian heritage. In any case, if she considers herself to be a "mix of Black, White and American Indian", then saying she has African American ancestry seems fine to me. How about restoring the previous wording with citations to both the Curve source and the Goddessy calender? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I hope people realize I do not mean any harm or disrespect to any editors. Are there any others who'd like to chime in on the discussions here? This woman seems to have quite an interesting biography on other websites. Her business ownership is quite apparent by many sources. I feel like the administrators are doubling as bodyguards. Why is her page so protected? I am not asking to add anything offensive. After reading all the talk here prior, I'm sure other editors have a bit of input or opinion.
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 11:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
As far as appealing the decision, Hoary basically has it right. At the time, the protection was logged under this provision; that has apparently been superseded now by standard Discretionary Sanctions. The routes provided for appeal in that new set of rules are the sanctioning administrator (me, and as I've said I'm not too enthusiastic about unprotecting in the midst of a flurry of attention), WP:AE (for consensus among arb-inclined admins), or WP:AN (for community consensus). A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 14:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh boy, what did I stumble upon. I found her Wikipedia page after reading about her in Fashion Affair magazine. Isn't a magazine article a good enough source? What about an online one like
http://madamenoire.com/436703/getting-fired/2/
What exactly are you looking for to believe she owns a skincare company? The company website mentions her ownership clearly. Tell me which of the links I provided are not sufficient or use more than one if needed.
She is not famous like most celebs but you've got to admit her life story is fascinating. Thanks.
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 21:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Conde Nast a good source? http://parade.condenast.com/290212/janenemascarella/cheap-tricks-17-ways-to-look-beautiful-for-less/ The Goddessy Organics official skincare site looks reliable enough too. Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 09:08, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I've seen less notable people and subjects on Wikipedia with bigger articles. I'm still not sure why her ethnicity was removed even though it has been thoroughly documented on her site and other sources. I am also not sure why the sources that mention her companies have to be so thoroughly scrutinized before being added. Aside from her photo which is enough to make it believable, isn't the mention of her being Black/White/Cherokee in the November 1992 issue of Playboy magazine enough to reference her obvious ancestry? I managed to find a copy and sure enough her ethnic background is in there. I think the heading about her should include "entrepreneur" as well. Why not fulfill the purpose of Wikipedia and write more? Being in Playboy alone does not define this lady. Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 09:26, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I was one of the reasons why her ethnicity was removed. At the time of the request for removal, her enthnicity was not properly sourced (or not sourced at all, I forget).
I have been asked to give my opinion regarding ethnicity in this article, so here it is:
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Offtoriorob made this strange set of edits (none of which had an edit summary). Comments:
Offtoriorob says on my user talk page:
Sure, let's discuss. Why the need to say in article text who said such and such when a footnote makes this perfectly clear? -- Hoary ( talk) 04:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Off2riorob, is there a reason you are trying to foster a discussion in the article instead of in talk? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fasttimes68 ( talk • contribs) 04:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
After reading the article again, I came to the same conclusion that the word "lesbian" was overused and tried to edit it so it does not give the article undue weight. I do feel the following facts need to be included in the article in some form.
-- Fasttimes68 ( talk) 05:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Apparently, Ms Adams may well have indicated in the past that she was sexually attracted to persons of her own gender. More recent events indicate that she may possibly have changed her mind. What the %*&% has this got to do with anything remotely of interest to Wikipedia? She appears to have made a successful career out of looking attractive while not wearing clothes (which I'm sure she does), and no doubt also by encouraging a certain amount of fantasizing about her sexual proclivities. If people are gullible enough to mistake such fantasizing for reality, and are now disappointed that their fantasies are no longer sustainable, that is their problem, not Wikipedia's. Regardless of who she is attracted to, it isn't likely to be you (or me), so how about focusing the article on content that is (a) verifiable, and (b) relevant to what makes Ms Adams notable? AndyTheGrump ( talk) 05:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Similar, but different, to another article about a gay man that Rob and I were involved in, this situation is pretty straightforward. Because she has specifically and actively shown that she is no longer a lesbian, we shouldn't be using any categories in relation to that. However, for coverage in the article, we should be following the sources, which show that her calling herself a lesbian in the past and her actions in relation to that are a clear part of her notability, with both her Playmate actions and her creation of websites.
First off, I don't believe this source is used in the article yet, so you might want to add it to shore up some stuff.
Second, according to both the prior source and this direct source, she was given the place of Best Lesbian Sex Symbol in 2004 by Village Voice. This should be in the article.
Third, as this source already in use in the article states, the lesbian community website that she created is called Sapphica. Why isn't this stated in the article, while her Goddessy website is? Silver seren C 08:09, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
It may be hilarious (as intended), but tabloid sources, which is practically all of them in this article including the VV "award" (read the text there if in doubt), are poor sources per WP:BLPSOURCES. FuFoFuEd ( talk) 16:58, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Given all the fussing, the flaring of tempers, and that the subject is unhappy with many parts of this article, and that her notability is not great (and very minimal beyond Playboy), I'd like to propose that we redirect this article to the appropriate list of playmates. I find it quite disconcerting, and am unsurprised that the subject has similar feelings, when such a thin article contains such highly personal trivia as measurements, sexuality, and formerly the names of her husband and young son. Her notability stems from a Playboy appearance 19 years ago, and the majority of the rest of the content of the article is fluff. I see little to be gained by keeping the article, and WP:BLP1E would seem to apply, so redirecting makes sense. Is anyone strongly opposed to redirecting? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:29, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
This lady has her own official web sites and does not need a "free for all" editing site to place a biography or anything else for that matter. If I were her, I would ask to be removed from this venue entirely. 108.41.20.227 ( talk) 20:43, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Let's look at who she is. She was a black playmate in 1992 who came out as gay and then years later switched to straight. That's about it. I think the gay/straight thing is not notable at all. So, the only question to me is whether a black bunny (formerly lesbian) is inherently notable. If not, the article should go. It's true she's gotten a lot of third-party coverage, but that's mainly related to the black-bunny-lesbian thing. The civil lawsuit was derivative - wouldn't have made a blip on the screen if it hasn't been for who she was at that time. Indeed, probably a lawsuit like that brought by any bunny would get coverage. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it survived an AfD.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 00:25, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
It sounds like we're just giving up because we have trouble agreeing on how to write the article. - Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 01:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
There has been a long-running edit war between editors and sockpuppets related to the subject of this article. Following a recent discussion at WP:ANI regarding the latest skirmish, I noticed that Stephanie Adams had received a fair amount of coverage due to her recent lawsuit win. I got in contact with the subject to ensure that she was ok with having a biography on Wikipedia. She was. Other than offering me links to older versions of the article that existed on the web, Adams provided me no sources and gave me no compensation. My hope is that if there is an article here, perhaps the edit-warring over including her in other areas of Wikpedia will resolve itself. Delicious carbuncle ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Since you seem to know, please enlighten us to the concerns of Ms Adams. Perhaps they can be accommodated. Fasttimes68 ( talk) 18:16, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Suggest that a new AFD isn't beyond imagination right now, the last one was around nine months ago, so perhaps there's something new to discuss? Continuous AFD-warring should be discouraged, but perhaps those who seek to recreate deleted material have something new to bring to the argument. The Rambling Man ( talk) 20:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
A few comments:
My tuppence. I've no major objection to a DRV but I feel it would affirm the content and thereby be simple process wonkery. -- Errant ( chat!) 08:14, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Two issues:
@ Delicious Carbuncle--what are the chances of getting some free pics from her? Something representative of her work at Venus or Playboy? – Lionel ( talk) 03:40, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
The tidbit added recently was removed because it appears to be trivia, not a significant fact in Adams' career (of over 20 years in modeling, and over over 12 years in writing). According to the article about the course, Adams seemed to have defied the title of the course and was quoted as saying "I really did marry for love. Honestly-I didn’t care about meeting someone successful. I already had seven figures in the bank, so I didn’t need my husband’s seven figures. Women should find someone they’re really happy with, not just seek out men for their bank account. And if you’re not attracted to a man, the marriage is not going to work out." Perhaps if this was added, they should have added that major comment, which was significant. I might add it back with this mentioning, or simply keep it out because it is trivia (unimportant). 98.14.172.174 ( talk) 15:07, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
An example of the removal of comments from this talk page. Better read this. In short, never remove a comment by somebody with whom you disagree: let somebody uninvolved remove it, if it needs to be removed. But I see no reason why this comment needed to be removed. -- Hoary ( talk) 09:49, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
This edit reverts an IP's edit with the summary "sock edit". The IP's talk page doesn't suggest that he or she is accused by anyone of being a "sock". Better not throw around assertions such as this. -- Hoary ( talk) 09:53, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
I just fully protected this article on the The Wrong Version. Talk the issues out here, not in edit summaries. -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:10, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
(Self-plagiarizing from WP:BLP/N): The section titled LGBT activism has no mention of SA's having done anything of note other than starting and running a website, or having said anything of note. Two of the four sources adduced for this claim that she founded the online lesbian community Sapphica.com, which was active from 2003 until 2009 are sapphica.com itself, one is a press release, and the fourth is this article, which says nothing beyond a bare mention. If Sapphica.com was described (let alone praised) elsewhere, good; otherwise the section seems to exaggerate. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:28, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
Adams gave speeches for Gay Pride several times, as her appearances were noted here and here. These are just a few brief links among many other sources that confirm her LGBT activism and if you search the Archive site or here, you can see for yourself that sapphica.com was created for the purpose of being an online resource for the LGBT community. ~Buk. T. 107.6.124.27 ( talk) 20:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
Adams gave a speech for Gay Pride 2004 in NYC via Heritage of Pride. It was announced in the HOP Pride Guide. She was also announced for giving a speech on August 28 that same year in Jersey City for JCLGO, their version of Heritage of Pride. I read about her giving a speech in Staten Island as well. The links can be found if you look for them in archives such as these: http://web.archive.org/web/20040604170426/http://www.hopinc.org/events/rally.cfm http://web.archive.org/web/20040620075817/http://www.hopinc.org/events/bioDetails.cfm?bioNo=51 or her media page which lists a lot of the LGBT events she was a part of: http://www.goddessy.com/PressInformation/MediaCoverage.htm But no one really questions her LGBT activism here but one person. 98.14.172.209 ( talk) 01:37, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Adams attended college at Fairleigh Dickinson University and graduated before posing for Playboy in 1992, with dual degrees in business management and marketing. It was mentioned in her Playboy pictorial as well as some of the links already sourced in this article. So why was it abruptly removed by editors recently? Is it merely an attempt to keep her name off the Fairleigh Dickinson page that lists alumni? Regardless, that is not an accurate or neutral edit. By the way, sources about someone graduating college 20 years ago when the internet was not so popular is understandably scarce, but still available, nonetheless. It is indeed a fact and should not be a debate or cause for an edit war. ~Buk. T.
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If Playboy wasn't a reliable enough source, playmates and their stats, etc. would not be listed here. Her being a graduate from Fairleigh Dickinson University was featured in her Playboy pictorial. Just look up a copy, they have them online for sale for almost nothing. The school and details of her educational background were mentioned aka published, so it's highly accurate here. 98.14.172.209 ( talk) 01:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
No one here is in a position to confirm, deny, or question what is written in an article. As long as a mentioning on Wikipedia is sourced and not controversial, it can be added. Adams attending college is, in fact, sourced and is not controversial. Therefore it was added by an expert editor in the past article, was added by an expert editor again, and there is no valid reason to remove it. Yoya7 ( talk) 14:07, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
No, you're wrong. As long as her being a FDU graduate is sourced by her Playboy issue, her biography, an independent article sourced such as The Observer, Linkedin, etc., and it is undeniably not a controversial or unbelievable comment, it is an obvious fact that should stay in the Wikipedia article. And from what I see in this page, you are probably better off not getting involved anyway. Bowwowbow ( talk) 18:27, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Keep the college fact and add the case she won over guardianship. That was sourced on NJ.com. Yoya7 ( talk) 19:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Per her diploma, she graduated in 1992. It seems that this fact should be included in her biography?
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Removed. The sentence was elaborated upon for clarification but during an edit war, someone removed it. Clearly Adams' statement in the report sourced conflicted with the course, therefore showing that she was not teaching such a course, and overall, it is unimportant trivia that does not relate to her lengthy career as a model. Efradestot ( talk) 14:23, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
If it's not immediately clear what this is about, the key word within it is course. "Efradestot" (now blocked as a puppet) is referring to the small amount of material deleted in this edit. The phrase contentious material appears in " WP:BLP", which says, inter alia (and after some markup stripping):
As I understand the page, the contention referred to is that over the verifiability (and thereby veracity) of what's said. Arguably, a particular element of the article may not contribute to the general thrust(s) of the rest of the article, or may not reflect well on the subject. What's arguable can of course be argued against, but as I understand "WP:BLP", such arguments don't make material "contentious" as discussed there.
Should the material stay, or shouldn't it? While it doesn't paint the event or its participants in a favorable light, it's not scurrilous and it doesn't vilify SA -- whom it does actually describe, unlike much (all?) of the other material, which merely says she's tall, black and good-looking. Further, this is about an event in which SA did more than appear and be photographed. So I'd say that this edit should be reverted, though I'm open to persuasion to the contrary. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:05, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
I agree with deleting the sentence, since it have been so controversial since several years ago, and unnecessary in my opinion. The source used states that only 75 women have attended the course, and this can't be a significant number at all. I have tried googling the name of the course + Adams name, and found less than 10 results if excepting Wikipedia and its mirror websites. Courses is a very routine thing, and can be taught doezens of time a year. Furthermore, it seems that Adams herself have taught several other courses already, but non of them sounds really widely-known -- aad_Dira ( talk) 17:06, 22 July 2012 (UTC).
In 2004, Adams taught a course non-related to her profession. Adams has a rich modelling career of more than 20 years. What she taught in 2004 only to a class of 75 has no relevance when talking about her whole life. So there is absolutely no relevance for the sentence to be present on Wikipedia page. However, the guardianship case is relevant. Wikipedia is required to provide authentic and useful information only. -- user: Editorkabaap —Preceding undated comment added 13:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
She Magazine -- Cover Girl Update -- June 2003 GO NYC -- Cover Model & Article -- July 18 - August 8, 2003 Playboy Magazine -- "Playmate News" -- August 2003 New York Blade -- Local Life By Rachel Kramer Bussel - August 2003 New York Post -- "Page Six" By Richard Johnson -- Thursday, August 28, 2003 She Magazine -- Powerful Reading For Fall By Diane Wilde -- September 2003 BlackGayUK.com -- Top 10 People Honored For 2003 Playboy Magazine -- "Playmate News" -- Playboy's 50th Anniversary January 2004 Collector's Edition GO NYC -- Holiday Shopping Guide -- December 12 - January 31, 2004 New York Post -- "Page Six" By Richard Johnson -- Saturday, January 17, 2004 GayCenter.org -- February 2004 -- Volume 19, ISSUE 2 New York Blade -- April 16, 2004 GO NYC -- Arts And Entertainment -- May 7 - June 11, 2004 GayWired.com -- Lesbian Media Blender (05.04.04) By Kathy Bliss & Madge Mucker Next Magazine -- June 2004 Pride Guide GayLinkNews.com -- July 15, 2004 She Magazine -- December 2004 QueerDay.com -- December 3, 2004 She Magazine -- February 2005 -- Cover To Cover By Diane Wilde OutProfessionals.org -- Wednesday, March 29, 2006 WPIX News -- Saturday, February 11, 2012
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All of these articles are just a few that mention Miss Adams as an author.
There is a long list of media coverage via: http://www.goddessy.com/PressInformation/MediaCoverage.htm
Also regarding the guardianship case: Just as the NJ lawsuit was a major turning in the point of life of Stephanie Adams and one without which her story cannot be completed so was the guardianship case. It received some well known media coverage too and states of a major event in her time lifeline. It seems quite relevant for it being to be included in the page. -- Editorkabaap ( talk) 23:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi all. Just following up on an email here. I've fully-protected the article here for a while. I'll review the situation in a week or so, but I'll probably drop it to semi-protection. As this article has had issues with sockpuppetry, I intend to keep it on my watchlist from now on - Alison ❤ 18:30, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Two odd deletions:
Well well.
-- Hoary ( talk) 13:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
WP:NOTNEWS actually applies to the Learning Annex trivia, not the guardianship case, because that one time, once reported event served as an uneventful diary moment.
The importance of her guardianship case holds even more weight than her NYPD lawsuit. Unlike a single police incident, it was a significant event about a significant person in her life and even though it didn't involve a million dollar judgment, there was an important person in her life involved who is also mentioned in her early life -- aad_Dira ( talk) 16:46, 25 July 2012 (UTC).
I don't think either of these are particularly contentious, and the guardianship case might be vaguely notable in regards to her life. A single sentence about each shouldn't be a big deal, though inclusion of the Learning Annex certainly opens the door to criticism of the class from reliable sources. Finally, we don't need a source saying something is "a major event in her time lifeline" or any such nonsense, because sources almost never say anything like that. There probably aren't sources for most of our BLPs that say "x event is a major moment of their life". These sorts of things don't need that kind of qualification. A single sentence is more than enough with a source, and adding it shouldn't be that much of an issue. I understand that there is quite a bit of ire against Adams online, but that also shouldn't be a factor when editing this article. AniMate 08:55, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey. Found a copy of Adams' diploma from University on her website. She graduated in 1992. Yes, it's a primary source, but it seems that information should be included in the page. What does everyone think?
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It's not required and I would suggest ignoring requests from blocked sockpuppets. IRWolfie- ( talk) 17:38, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I just happened by the article and notice some of it has the stilted effect of information that is heavily challenged, and that it could use a bit of reorganization. The LGBT section in particular seems random. I gather that Ms. Adams has made conflicting statements about her sexuality. Could I get a discussion going on what the section should say and how it should be said in a neutral tone? Pkeets ( talk) 14:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Another question: Is there some disagreement about the NJ guardianship case being noteworthy enough to mention here? She's notable enough that this and the police lawsuit both made the papers, so they're fair game to be mentioned in the article. Pkeets ( talk) 01:14, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Just skimming this, it looks like you may have some sort of personal vendetta going on? Pkeets ( talk) 01:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
I gather there have now been more than three reversions of the guardianship information with only opinions given as a reason? That's acting in bad faith according to Wikipedia guidelines. I already said above that the case is mentioned in two of the listed references, regardless that it is referenced to only one in the Wikipedia article. A quick Google locates other possible citations of reasonable quality. Sentences like the one about her diploma which cite four or five different sources don't really do anything to improve the quality of Wikipedia articles. I would recommend removing some of the citation lineup on that sentence and also retaining the guardianship information which is properly cited and relevant to the section where it was placed. "Looks like news reporting on a slow day" is not a proper argument. Please provide clear and reasonable reasons as to why you think it needs several citations for inclusion. Meanwhile, I'll assemble a few. Pkeets ( talk) 01:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Since there's a request for it, I did the research on her publication. I gather you want to add this info to the article? Since I've gone to all this trouble, I'll go ahead and do that. She's clearly establishing a brand, but don't confuse that with the publishing houses. That's nothing unusual for celebrities, like having their own clothing line. It means she's good at marketing. I notice she did go to publishing her own Goddessy books in about 2007. I see that some of these are available in ebook editions as well as print, but I'll let someone else do that research if there's enough interest in it. Pkeets ( talk) 02:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me, Fasttimes68, but you should join the discussion about changes to the article before you make reversions. I went to quite a bit of research to find the publishers as requested by Hoary. Continued reversions without discussion is grounds for administrative action. Pkeets ( talk) 02:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
If there's to be a consensus, then there needs to be a discussion. Please provide arguments and not opinions regarding the points now in contention. 1) Hoary suggested that the publications shouldn't be listed as they were self-published. However, the listing of publishers proves this is not the fact. Please provide other arguments. 2) IRWolfie suggested that the guardianship statement is unimportant because it was only cited once. Will additional citations make this look important enough for inclusion? Pkeets ( talk) 02:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Admin note: You guys know the drill (and if you're new, or you don't, please see WP:EW and WP:BLP. Now you know the drill!). Reverting is not a substitute for discussion, and if discussion is ongoing, it is inappropriate to continue reverting. If discussion here isn't adequate, try WP:BLPN or WP:DRN. I've seen too many reverts today as it is. If I see any more reverting going on, it's back to full-protection, most likely for longer this time since these disputes seem to arise so regularly. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 03:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Below is material from the quasi-archive (see below) about the publication of these books.
These books [...] don't seem to have survived the whittling process that produces the kind of books that are reviewed, discussed, or bought. This is publishing of a very low order. -- Hoary 03:56, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I added the publisher of each book, so it can be more easily seen what is going on here. There are four publishers:
From reading their sites, all four seem to meet most definitions of vanity presses. I could not see anything one way or another about their being e-books. However, all that evaluation is original research on my part; I have not seen any published source say anything one way or another about the quality of Ms. Adams's books. As I wrote before, I still think they're worth about one line each - no more, and no less. This is nothing special about Ms. Adams -- if another person we have an article about for reasons other than being an author publishes a widely available vanity press book, I also think that would be worth briefly mentioning in their article. Since Jimbo's semi-protection has blocked both of our anonymous contributors from editing without first logging in, perhaps we will have a bit of peaceful discussion about this, rather than an edit war. AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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An old version of the article tells me that the fourth is Infinity Publishing. Well, let's look at these four:
It seems that "four separate companies" is a slight exaggeration, and that each of the four imprints is a way for people to have published books that most publishers wouldn't bother with, or more bluntly a vanity publisher. "Self-published author" seems kinder than "vanity-published author". -- Hoary ( talk) 00:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
The publishers are Dubsar House, New Age World, PublishAmerica, and Infinity Publishing. Dubsar House describes itself as Purveyors of the Finest in Chivalric Regalia / Gateway to Contemporary Fraternal Orders of Excellence, it seems no longer to publish books. New Age World (Specializing in Books about the Unknown and Mysterious, the Beautiful, and the Enlightening!) is indeed rather mysterious. PublishAmerica says that it doesn't charge; it's a print-on-demand arrangement that has had its problems. Infinity Publishing provides you with the easiest and most comprehensive self-publishing experience. -- Hoary ( talk) 01:05, 3 August 2011 (UTC)For a simpler summary, see Gwen Gale on the matter in October 2008 (and see also the section immediately below that one within the quasi-archive). -- Hoary ( talk) 23:46, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Setting aside the discussion of the quality of Ms. Adams's books for a moment and getting back to the quality of the article: Could I get approval/consensus for these changes? Two out of the four citations on the degree sentence contain no reference to it or to the University. The last couple of sentences of the second paragraph are re-written to improve readability. If I don't get any discussion within a reasonable length of time, I'll assume consensus.
After graduating from Ophelia DeVore School of Charm, then appearing in photo shoots for Seventeen magazine, Venus Swimwear, and commercial advertisements for Clairol,[2] Adams appeared as "Miss November 1992" in Playboy magazine.[1] She also earned a bachelor's degree at Fairleigh Dickinson University in 1992[3][5] while modeling for Wilhelmina Models. She later moved to Elite Model Management after becoming engaged to its CEO, John Casablancas.[6] Adams has appeared on the cover of Village Voice.[7] She made a cameo appearance for the "Top 10" list on the Late Show with David Letterman on November 20, 2003, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Playboy magazine.[8] During the early 1990s, Adams also appeared in several documentaries/videos issued by Playboy.[6] In 1999, Adams founded Goddessy, according to her a portmanteau of "goddess" and "odyssey". She published her first book in 2003, and started her own publishing company in 2007. Following the death of her aunt from breast cancer in 2003, she dedicated more of her time to writing. That same year, she published a book dedicated to her deceased aunt titled He Only Takes The Best, followed by another book written in honor of her elderly Aunt Pearl titled Guardian. Adams has produced about two dozen metaphysical books and astrology calendars marketed under the Goddessy brand.[9][10] She has also published articles, novels and non-fiction books including Empress in 2004, a novel featuring women in ancient Rome.[11]
The archives of this discussion page have been "courtesy blanked", but it's fairly easy to view a quasi-archive by looking at those earlier versions of the discussion page that came immediately before a volume reduction. I may have missed one or two, but I think most are below:
-- Hoary ( talk) 23:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
In response to the above discussion on LGBT activism, I've researched Adams' appearances and decided that these do indicate a pattern of activism. Therefore, I propose that we reestablish the section on LGBT activism with the following text. Please respond with discussion. If there's no discussion by Tuesday, I'll expect there is consensus to add the section. I'll come up with an additional section to handle what's cut from this paragraph in the current article.
In a February 2003 She magazine cover story, Adams came out as a lesbian, the first Playmate to have done so.[13] In their 2004 "Best of", the Village Voice declared her the "Best lesbian sex symbol", saying it was "hard to turn a page in a queer rag without seeing the willowy model peeking out in a bikini, or nothing at all".[14] Following this announcement, Adams was featured at a number of LGBT activist events, appearing as a speaker, announcer and spokesperson. Selective appearances include the Human Rights Campaign "National Coming Out Day" in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, on October 11, 2003, sponsored by The Women's Alliance of South Florida; [2] Heritage of Pride, NYC Gay Pride 2004 Rally, on 20 June 2004, [3], the The 36th Annual Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender PRIDE March on 26 June 2005 [4] and on 26 June 2006, [5]; the Jersey City Lesbian & Gay Outreach, 28 August 2004, [6] [7] [8] and Out Professionals on 29 March 2006; [9]. In addition, Adams served as sponsor and made a special appearance for the Publishing Triangle book expo on 12 June 2004. [10] On 31 January 2006, Adams was announced as the featured spokeswoman for PsychoTherapy Clothing's Gay and Lesbian t-shirt line. Company president Keith Knight was quoted as saying, "PsychoTherapy Clothing has chosen Stephanie Adams to represent our brand because of her pioneering spirit and outspoken voice." [11]
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More later. Pkeets ( talk) 19:58, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's something else we might consider adding to the article. Any comments?
"Stephanie was on the cover of last year’s Village Voice gay pride edition and has been featured in and on the cover of various publications including Bazaar, Cosmopolitan, ELLE, She Magazine, Curve, GO NYC, Next, The Weekly News, DIVA, The Advocate, New York Observer, Time Out New York, The Daily News, The New York Post, New York Newsday and many more."
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Adams has appeared on the cover of Village Voice,[7] and has been featured within and on the cover of publications including Bazaar, Cosmopolitan, ELLE, She Magazine, Curve, GO NYC, Next, The Weekly News, DIVA, The Advocate, New York Observer, Time Out New York, The Daily News, The New York Post, New York Newsday and others. [1] She made a cameo appearance for the "Top 10" list on the Late Show with David Letterman on November 20, 2003, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Playboy magazine.[8]
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I have "procedurally closed" the pending AfD discussion on this article without a result. There is evidence of major problems with user conduct surrounding this AfD and this article, to the point that the integrity of the AfD discussion has been irreparably compromised. There are also allegations of significant off-wiki misconduct by one or more editors who have participated in this discussion, which is being looked into. Anyone with evidence concerning off-wiki misconduct by editors on this article or AfD should please forward it to the Arbitration Committee via e-mail. If editors without any connection, either positive or negative, with the article subject wish to pursue deletion of this article, they can do so later on after the current concerns are resolved.
As a more general comment, it might be best if quite a number of people stepped away from seeking to edit or discussing this article for a few days, until all aspects of the current situation can be addressed. Newyorkbrad ( talk) 14:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Please disambiguate: cover story → Article (publishing), with appropriate piping. Thanks. -- Bejnar ( talk) 08:05, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
Barring any objections in the next week, expect List of Playboy Playmates of 1992#November to be modified so that it starts off with
If anyone has any objections, please discuss it at Talk:List of Playboy Playmates of 1992#Stephanie Adams (January 2014). davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 04:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
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Stephanie Adams is a model, not someone who specializes in metaphysics, as a philosopher, therefore, the "Category: American metaphysics writers" is redundant. For this reason I propose removing this category of the article.-- Alexis0112 ( talk) 16:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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Please fix up two references:
Old #1:
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=12 April 2012}}</ref>
New #1:
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20051202020706/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|arcivedate=2005-12-02}}</ref>
Old #2:
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=21 April 2012}}</ref>
New #2:
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140531232021/http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archivedate=31 May 2014}}</ref>
Primary rationale: Get rid of hidden maintenance categories. Secondary rationale: Provide archive-urls for these two references. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 23:41, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
<ref name=wkp>{{cite web|url=http://www.playboy.com/girls/playmates/directory/199211.html |title=Stephanie Adams |work=playboy.com |accessdate=August 21, 2011}}</ref>
and the current ref. 2 is <ref>Jocelyn Voo, "[http://web.archive.org/web/20070927011303/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html Stephanie Adams: Honing Her Craft]", ''[[Curve (magazine)|Curve Magazine]],'' April 2005.</ref>
There is no correspondence; the change would be too great. --
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Please fix up three references. The net effect will be to merge a "print" reference with is corresponding "URL" reference and provide and archive URL for that reference, and to provide a URL and archiveurl for the third reference. It will also remove the page from two malformed-citation-related maintenance categories.
Request #1:
Change the reference immediately after the text "and [[Cherokee]] ancestry." FROM
<ref>Jocelyn Voo, "[http://web.archive.org/web/20070927011303/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html Stephanie Adams: Honing Her Craft]", ''[[Curve (magazine)|Curve Magazine]],'' April 2005.</ref>
TO:
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20051202020706/http://www.curvemag.com/Detailed/652.html|archivedate=2005-12-02}}</ref>
Note: This changes the archive.org archiveurl from the 2007 archive to the 2005 archive. They are substantially identical in content. It also adds "page 57." This is a side-effect of harmonizing this reference with the one in the next request.
Request #2:
Change the SECOND reference immediately after the text "marketed under the ''Goddessy'' brand." FROM
<ref name="Curve">{{cite web|title=Honing her craft|last=Voo|first=Jocelyn|date=April 2005|work=[[Curve (magazine)|Curve]]|publisher=Outspoken Enterprises|page=57|accessdate=12 April 2012}}</ref>
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This has the desired effect of providing a URL and archiveURL to the reference. It has the side-effect of changing the accessdate from 2012 to 2014.
Request #3:
Change the SECOND reference immediately after the text "fined $2,700 for the incident." FROM
<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=21 April 2012}}</ref>
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<ref>{{cite news|title=PLAYMATE A VAMPIRE, CABBY SAID|last=Olshan|first=Jeremy|date=2 August 2006|publisher=[[New York Post]]|accessdate=31 May 2014|url=http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20140531232021/http://nypost.com/2006/08/02/playmate-a-vampire-cabby-said/|archivedate=31 May 2014}}</ref>
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The Jocelyn Voo reference in the 1st sentence of the "Early Life" section does NOT support the claim that this person is of African-American ancestry. Egyptian and "West Indian" (West Indies? Native American? The source is not clear) ancestry, yes, but not "African American."
Please either add {{citation needed|date=June 2014}} after "She has [[African American]]," or strike the entire sentence "She has [[African American]], [[Caucasian race|Caucasian]], and [[Cherokee]] ancestry." and the Jocelyn Voo reference that follows. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 23:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
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The book Racialized Politics of Desire in Personal Ads by Neal A. Lester and Maureen Daly Goggin; Lexington Books ( Rowman & Littlefield), 2007, says on page 151 that: "Stephanie Adams, an African American..." This was mentioned above. So, is there some reason that her race has been removed from the Wikipedia bio? Is this source not reliable, or do we need additional sources to prove race beyond a reasonable doubt? Also, do people here realize that Egypt is in Africa? - 2001:558:1400:10:4D59:6811:C2AD:E3D5 ( talk) 19:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree that her ethnicity should be added back. It is neither controversial nor unbelievable. It is documented in her Playboy pictorial and her web site, also in other articles online. AngelAdvocate ( talk) 15:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't her web site mention her ancestry as Black, White and Native American? It has been noted in her pictorial as well. Not sure why it was removed recently. She looks mixed race too.
Also, she has had several updates to be noted. For one, she has a reported celebrity net worth of $4 million. Also, she now owns two businesses besides Goddessy. Both Goddessy Organics and Wall Street Chiropractic have her name and photos on their company web sites. Several articles and interviews online mention both corporations along with her ownership.
AngelAdvocate ( talk) 00:33, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I am new here but will try to figure out how to put that request in. Have you done it already? Her companies have gotten a significant amount of press lately - Just google "wall street chiropractic stephanie adams" and "stephanie adams goddessy organics" - Both company web sites goddessyorganics.com and chironewyork.com clearly list her as the owner and include her photograph. AngelAdvocate ( talk) 15:51, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
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Stephanie Adams is now the owner of Goddessy Organics (see www.goddessyorganics.com) and Wall Street Chiropractic (see www.chironewyork.com) but both organizations have not been mentioned here on Wikipedia. Both companies have received a tremendous amount of press if you google them, so shouldn't they be added on such a valued source like this one?
Also, her ethnicity was removed but it is clear that she is of mixed race, both in her pictorial as well as her official web site listed here as www.stephanieadams.com. I am among a few others who believe her ethnicity is neither controversial nor unbelievable and should be added back as it has been listed for many years already, with no question.
Anything else to add, like her being an investor and entrepreneur? She is mentioned in articles on Yahoo Finance, Price of Business for Bloomberg, Celebrity Net Worth (of $4M) and several more.
Thank you for reading. AngelAdvocate ( talk) 16:11, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
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Stephanie Adams is the owner of Goddessy Organics and Wall Street Chiropractic. I am requesting this information be added to the article about her.
Sources:
http://www.goddessyorganics.com
http://au.pfinance.yahoo.com/photos/photo/-/22073503/how-i-made-1-million/22073513/
http://www.priceofbusiness.com/?p=3688&print=1
http://www.priceofbusiness.com/?p=3705&print=1
http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=style&sc=home&sc2=features&sc3=&id=158300
http://www.sunnyskyz.com/blog/13/The-Real-Face-Behind-The-Illuminati
http://domainnameadvice.com/stephanie-adams-on-brandable-and-geo-business-domain-names/
Soho527 ( talk) 18:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Goddessy is her book publishing company but Goddessy Organics is her skincare business. It is not noted on Wikipedia even though she is the business owner http://www.goddessyorganics.com/who-we-are.html
As to a third party source that can spell a name that is often spelled Nicolai or Nicolai, they spell it right here http://www.law360.com/m/articles/508474/too-cute-yoga-teacher-can-t-show-bias-ex-bosses-say
The goddessy organics page also acknowledges her as the owner of Wall Street Chiropractic. It is obvious that she is, given the sources. Here is another one http://chironewyork.com/about-us.html
I will look for more links in the meantime, if needed.
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 05:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. I'm not sure why her page is fully protected when most biographies aren't, but I do believe her own web site is sufficient http://www.goddessyorganics.com/who-we-are.html to mention her skincare company or even this link which is one of many third party sources listed http://www.edgeboston.com/style/home/features//158300/who%E2%80%99s_your_mama?_10_unique_mother%E2%80%99s_day_gifts She also has a two page spread in the May 2014 issue of Fashion Affair Magazine pgs. 83-84 http://issuu.com/topboutiqueshop/docs/may_2014_preview_d292e5acbfce27 All the links mentioned above note her as the owner of Goddessy Organics. Can this be included along with her books and tarot cards amongst the "Goddessy" brand?
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 03:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
In every single source mentioned prior, as well as other ones if you google "stephanie adams goddessy organics" you will see her always noted as the "founder and CEO" of Goddessy Organics, not just the creator and not even as a co-owner. Her being the founder and CEO is even noted as such on the Goddessy Organics web site.
Is a former model owning a skincare business so remarkable or controversial? It can simply be included as a one sentence fact or a few words included as part of the Goddessy brand.
And by the way, the numerous interviews and articles I listed are reliable third party sources, not paid advertisements.
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The statement and Voo source on her ancestry that was hastily removed from the article was sufficiently supported by the source. It's available in the history. Please add that back. In addition, please add the Politics of Desire source as additional support for the statement. I believe it's already used in the article, so it would be helpful to name it. See here: Racialized Politics of Desire in Personal Ads, retrieved 4 June 2014 Pkeets ( talk) 10:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Adams is an exotic mix of Black, White and American Indian (specifically West Indian, Cherokee Indian, English, Welsh, Italian and Egyptian).Compare that to the previous Curve magazine source which says
Part Cherokee, West Indian, Italian and Egyptian, Adams was also the first Playboy centerfold to come out.It looks like the "African American" label is referring to her West Indian heritage, not (or at least not only) to her Egyptian heritage. In any case, if she considers herself to be a "mix of Black, White and American Indian", then saying she has African American ancestry seems fine to me. How about restoring the previous wording with citations to both the Curve source and the Goddessy calender? — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 02:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
I hope people realize I do not mean any harm or disrespect to any editors. Are there any others who'd like to chime in on the discussions here? This woman seems to have quite an interesting biography on other websites. Her business ownership is quite apparent by many sources. I feel like the administrators are doubling as bodyguards. Why is her page so protected? I am not asking to add anything offensive. After reading all the talk here prior, I'm sure other editors have a bit of input or opinion.
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 11:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
As far as appealing the decision, Hoary basically has it right. At the time, the protection was logged under this provision; that has apparently been superseded now by standard Discretionary Sanctions. The routes provided for appeal in that new set of rules are the sanctioning administrator (me, and as I've said I'm not too enthusiastic about unprotecting in the midst of a flurry of attention), WP:AE (for consensus among arb-inclined admins), or WP:AN (for community consensus). A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 14:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh boy, what did I stumble upon. I found her Wikipedia page after reading about her in Fashion Affair magazine. Isn't a magazine article a good enough source? What about an online one like
http://madamenoire.com/436703/getting-fired/2/
What exactly are you looking for to believe she owns a skincare company? The company website mentions her ownership clearly. Tell me which of the links I provided are not sufficient or use more than one if needed.
She is not famous like most celebs but you've got to admit her life story is fascinating. Thanks.
Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 21:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Conde Nast a good source? http://parade.condenast.com/290212/janenemascarella/cheap-tricks-17-ways-to-look-beautiful-for-less/ The Goddessy Organics official skincare site looks reliable enough too. Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 09:08, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I've seen less notable people and subjects on Wikipedia with bigger articles. I'm still not sure why her ethnicity was removed even though it has been thoroughly documented on her site and other sources. I am also not sure why the sources that mention her companies have to be so thoroughly scrutinized before being added. Aside from her photo which is enough to make it believable, isn't the mention of her being Black/White/Cherokee in the November 1992 issue of Playboy magazine enough to reference her obvious ancestry? I managed to find a copy and sure enough her ethnic background is in there. I think the heading about her should include "entrepreneur" as well. Why not fulfill the purpose of Wikipedia and write more? Being in Playboy alone does not define this lady. Sohoforgotpassword ( talk) 09:26, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
I was one of the reasons why her ethnicity was removed. At the time of the request for removal, her enthnicity was not properly sourced (or not sourced at all, I forget).
I have been asked to give my opinion regarding ethnicity in this article, so here it is:
davidwr/( talk)/( contribs) 20:36, 4 July 2014 (UTC)