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It is not appropriate sourcing to use the label of the individual artist, repeatedly, as a source of career chronology and related factual information, because it is indirectly self-published, and so not independent of artists' representations of themselves. This gives the appearance that such articles are a promotional venues for the artist and their label.
Independent, third-party sources (magazine and newspaper pieces, print and web) are the sources to look to, to describe the releases of material. I will use the AllMusic biography to replace some of these citations, moving them to external links. But the dedicated editors must properly respect this BLP subject, and the encyclopedia, and not continue to present material that is from sources closely tied (non-independent) to the artist. It will eventually be caught and removed, and often not gently. Cheers. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 ( talk) 14:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
A question was brought to my talk page since I made the edit adding the background parameter to the infobox musical artist. This is it (courtesy add) …for the infobox edit, at Steffany Gretzinger. The "solo" designation that you added—where can I find the other options for this data field? This solo does not seem full accurate. Cheers, will look in here. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 ( talk) 01:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)}}
I've made enough progress for this to return to regular editing, so swapping between these two work tags will now end. The work of completing and uniformly formatting citations, expanding the sourcing (including replacing the Bethel-only sourcing of music releases) is not completely done—the point of progress is marked with an in-text note—but can continue to progress as time permits. The point of interrupting normal editing was to change the trajectory of the article, from unsourced, or non-independent, or self-published sources, to third party sources as much as possible. This change in direction is clear, and far enough along for me to pull back.
Finally, the Further reading section makes clear that there has been, and continues to be, sufficient independent written work to support the article. If editors add the {{BLP unsourced}} tag while editing, the "News" and the "Books" tabs will provide further potential sources. The books, in particular, that mention Bethel and Gretzinger were only superficially sampled in this recent push (appearing now, to a limited degree, in the Influences section). I will continue to look in as time permits. Cheers, bonne chance, to regular contributing edutors. Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 00:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Just a friendly reminder that the rule at WP:DEADREF is "Do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working." The English Wikipedia has a process for dealing with dead links. (Do please remove dead links from ==External links== sections, where different rules apply.) WhatamIdoing ( talk) 18:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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It is not appropriate sourcing to use the label of the individual artist, repeatedly, as a source of career chronology and related factual information, because it is indirectly self-published, and so not independent of artists' representations of themselves. This gives the appearance that such articles are a promotional venues for the artist and their label.
Independent, third-party sources (magazine and newspaper pieces, print and web) are the sources to look to, to describe the releases of material. I will use the AllMusic biography to replace some of these citations, moving them to external links. But the dedicated editors must properly respect this BLP subject, and the encyclopedia, and not continue to present material that is from sources closely tied (non-independent) to the artist. It will eventually be caught and removed, and often not gently. Cheers. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 ( talk) 14:43, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
A question was brought to my talk page since I made the edit adding the background parameter to the infobox musical artist. This is it (courtesy add) …for the infobox edit, at Steffany Gretzinger. The "solo" designation that you added—where can I find the other options for this data field? This solo does not seem full accurate. Cheers, will look in here. Le Prof 73.210.155.96 ( talk) 01:13, 2 April 2017 (UTC)}}
I've made enough progress for this to return to regular editing, so swapping between these two work tags will now end. The work of completing and uniformly formatting citations, expanding the sourcing (including replacing the Bethel-only sourcing of music releases) is not completely done—the point of progress is marked with an in-text note—but can continue to progress as time permits. The point of interrupting normal editing was to change the trajectory of the article, from unsourced, or non-independent, or self-published sources, to third party sources as much as possible. This change in direction is clear, and far enough along for me to pull back.
Finally, the Further reading section makes clear that there has been, and continues to be, sufficient independent written work to support the article. If editors add the {{BLP unsourced}} tag while editing, the "News" and the "Books" tabs will provide further potential sources. The books, in particular, that mention Bethel and Gretzinger were only superficially sampled in this recent push (appearing now, to a limited degree, in the Influences section). I will continue to look in as time permits. Cheers, bonne chance, to regular contributing edutors. Le Prof Leprof 7272 ( talk) 00:55, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Just a friendly reminder that the rule at WP:DEADREF is "Do not delete a citation merely because the URL is not working." The English Wikipedia has a process for dealing with dead links. (Do please remove dead links from ==External links== sections, where different rules apply.) WhatamIdoing ( talk) 18:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)