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The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 06:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Steeplechase (disambiguation) → Steeplechase — My impression is that the term steeplechase has no primary meaning. From what I can tell, the two uses Steeplechase (horse racing) and Steeplechase (athletics) have nearly the same frequency with only a slight bias towards the horse racing meaning. From my reading of WP:DAB#Primary topic, the disambiguation page should therefore be at steeplechase. I've discussed this before with Philip Baird Shearer , but we came to no conclusion, so I wanted to ask for input from others. — S.K. 07:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.May I suggest a relevant comparison would be on the number of professionally organised events in a 12 month period which attract significant public interest (ie. attendance and TV viewers). The Australian Racing Fact Book - (see International Racing table 95) gives a world total of 7779 horse jumping races. On the assumption that 50% of these races are steeplechases, that would be approx. 3900 races per 12 months. I am unable to find a comparable figure for Steeplechase (Athletics) but would suggest that (on the basis of public interest) it would not exceed 1 or 2 races per week. A further comparison of public interest, based on the amount wagered on the different types of steeplechase, would, I think produce a similar result. Check out Betfair and see if you can find a Steeplechase (Athletics) event to bet on. In my opinion the Steeplechase (horse racing) wins by the length of the straight. Cuddy Wifter 01:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Philip, you recently moved Steeplechase (horse racing) to steeplechase with the explanation that it is the "primary meaning". Having done my share of dab corrections for this article and looking at Special:Whatlinkshere/Steeplechase (athletics) in comparison with Special:Whatlinkshere/Steeplechase (horse racing) I'd say the number of uses for those two meanings is about the same. WP:DAB#Primary topic then to me seems to indicate there is no primary topic in this case. Anything I overlooked? -- S.K. 17:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
The primary meaning of steeplechase is horse racing. The OED says:
-- Philip Baird Shearer 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Note that I did not change the ordering when I created the Hurdling (disambiguation) even though the OED say that the original meaning for hurdle-race is the horse racing type, because I suspect that the most common meaning would be athletics. (Google supports that by about the same as it does steeplechasing the other way) -- Philip Baird Shearer 17:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that this is a discussion of angels on pin heads. The original meannig and the common usage in this case is the same. Common usage is the reason that I did not bother to change hurdling which is in about the same ratio the other way around and why hurdling now has a "see hurdling (disambiguation)" at the top of the article (I was supprised one did not already exist. If the Steeplechase (athletics) had been at steeplechase then I would probably not have bothered (and would have put a "see disambiguation" at the top if one did not exist) or I might have put in a WP:RM and discussed this situation in a requested move. But as it was a disambiguation page I see no harm in the move as it does not effect the articles linked to Steeplechase (athletics). -- Philip Baird Shearer 18:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
"Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors" ( WP:NC) for more than half the readers it is easier for the other half it is no more difficult. Any links which are linked to the wrong article can be fixed by an editor when they notice the error. -- Philip Baird Shearer 20:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems that you and I disagree. Take it to WP:RM if you think that it is worth debating the issue further. Please let me know if you do. -- Philip Baird Shearer 21:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Philip Baird Shearer 08:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Steeplechase (talk page of horse racing steeplechase) for a related move request -- 05:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 06:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Steeplechase (disambiguation) → Steeplechase — My impression is that the term steeplechase has no primary meaning. From what I can tell, the two uses Steeplechase (horse racing) and Steeplechase (athletics) have nearly the same frequency with only a slight bias towards the horse racing meaning. From my reading of WP:DAB#Primary topic, the disambiguation page should therefore be at steeplechase. I've discussed this before with Philip Baird Shearer , but we came to no conclusion, so I wanted to ask for input from others. — S.K. 07:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
, then sign your comment with ~~~~
. Since
polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account
Wikipedia's naming conventions.May I suggest a relevant comparison would be on the number of professionally organised events in a 12 month period which attract significant public interest (ie. attendance and TV viewers). The Australian Racing Fact Book - (see International Racing table 95) gives a world total of 7779 horse jumping races. On the assumption that 50% of these races are steeplechases, that would be approx. 3900 races per 12 months. I am unable to find a comparable figure for Steeplechase (Athletics) but would suggest that (on the basis of public interest) it would not exceed 1 or 2 races per week. A further comparison of public interest, based on the amount wagered on the different types of steeplechase, would, I think produce a similar result. Check out Betfair and see if you can find a Steeplechase (Athletics) event to bet on. In my opinion the Steeplechase (horse racing) wins by the length of the straight. Cuddy Wifter 01:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi Philip, you recently moved Steeplechase (horse racing) to steeplechase with the explanation that it is the "primary meaning". Having done my share of dab corrections for this article and looking at Special:Whatlinkshere/Steeplechase (athletics) in comparison with Special:Whatlinkshere/Steeplechase (horse racing) I'd say the number of uses for those two meanings is about the same. WP:DAB#Primary topic then to me seems to indicate there is no primary topic in this case. Anything I overlooked? -- S.K. 17:27, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
The primary meaning of steeplechase is horse racing. The OED says:
-- Philip Baird Shearer 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Note that I did not change the ordering when I created the Hurdling (disambiguation) even though the OED say that the original meaning for hurdle-race is the horse racing type, because I suspect that the most common meaning would be athletics. (Google supports that by about the same as it does steeplechasing the other way) -- Philip Baird Shearer 17:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I think that this is a discussion of angels on pin heads. The original meannig and the common usage in this case is the same. Common usage is the reason that I did not bother to change hurdling which is in about the same ratio the other way around and why hurdling now has a "see hurdling (disambiguation)" at the top of the article (I was supprised one did not already exist. If the Steeplechase (athletics) had been at steeplechase then I would probably not have bothered (and would have put a "see disambiguation" at the top if one did not exist) or I might have put in a WP:RM and discussed this situation in a requested move. But as it was a disambiguation page I see no harm in the move as it does not effect the articles linked to Steeplechase (athletics). -- Philip Baird Shearer 18:26, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
"Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors" ( WP:NC) for more than half the readers it is easier for the other half it is no more difficult. Any links which are linked to the wrong article can be fixed by an editor when they notice the error. -- Philip Baird Shearer 20:01, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
It seems that you and I disagree. Take it to WP:RM if you think that it is worth debating the issue further. Please let me know if you do. -- Philip Baird Shearer 21:29, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Philip Baird Shearer 08:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Steeplechase (talk page of horse racing steeplechase) for a related move request -- 05:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)