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The only link given to support this claim says nothing of the sort though. It merely reports a single protest that took place last year in Australia. This does not substantiate the claim that the protests are a regular occurrence, not to mention the whole statement is vague anyway, as it doesn't even bother to specify eg. where exactly in the world are vegan activist supposed to be protesting on a regular basis. It's completely unencyclopedic. 93.147.234.105 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I would think that after reading the main paragraph a beef steak photo would make the most sense at the top of the page. Nothing against lamb steaks but, besides the photo, lamb isn't even mentioned in the article. Maybe move the beef steak picture up and find a fish steak picture for the bottom part? Brian Earl Haines ( talk) 04:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I really can only see this turning into a list of types of steak, beyond that I am really not sure what kind of content we can expect here. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:07, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Back on track: I have a concern with the idea of going with a list-only article. What kind of an encyclopedia doesn't have an article on "Steak" but instead says "See: List of steaks"? The reader is left wondering what a steak is and a list won't answer his question. We need to know what a steak is before we can start listing them. This is equally important for the editor and for the reader. A prose article is the primary encyclopedic form. This is especially important for articles such as "steak", which are concepts that everyone are familiar with, and for that reason people need an outlet of encyclopedic knowledge of. Steak isn't vital or core article on WP, but it could be. For comparison, none of those vital/core articles of comparable scope are lists: spice exists independently of list of spices and nut of list of nuts. In both of those articles, the reader finds what one would expect in an encyclopedia: history, culinary uses, nutritional aspects, commercial activities... encyclopedic coverage. It's worrying to see articles turn into lists just because it's easy to copy entries in summary style from other articles and then put a Main article: template at the top of each section. Writing encyclopedic articles rather than more or less indiscriminate lists is difficult, but on Wikipedia it's what we do. I'm not against lists, I'm against the use of lists where actual articles are warranted. It's up to us if WP has an article on "Steak" or not. Finnusertop ( talk | guestbook | contribs) 15:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The current sentence is not referenced. Sunday or Friday, or both? But surely off topic as is. I have only skimmed through the page and talk so far, but a first impression is that cultural significance could be an important section. Changing perception of steak, and relative values are areas to explore. SovalValtos ( talk) 01:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I keep coming across examples of vegetable 'steaks'. I haven't found any sources yet that describe it in these terms, but near as I can determine, the general criteria for being a 'steak' is uniform thickness and being of moderate size, at least the size of the palm of the hand. I am also finding products like this which are branding themselves as 'vegetarian steak bites', mostly made out of tofu. There are also various recipes on yummly such as cauliflower, mushroom, cabbage, tofu and eggplant. I'm sure other recipe examples can be found, but I am not sure how to include this content reliably. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 23:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
The lead contains the following sentence: For example, there are "swordfish steaks" and "venison steaks", as well as various types of fish steaks, especially salmon. The mention of swordfish steaks in the first half of the sentence followed by as well as various types of fish steaks in the second half sounds very odd to me. I would normally just rewrite this sentence without further input, but I'm puzzled about the best way to rewrite this and still keep the interesting mention about "swordfish steaks". Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind regards, Matt Heard ( talk) 04:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I just made a mess of the etymology section. I need some help rewriting it. Also perhaps changing section title to Vocabulary or something, as with the added detail of the language of ordering a steak it's not purely etymology anymore. Also, note valuable resource: http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodmeats.html David Condrey ( talk) 10:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
There used to be sections for various types of steak but they seem to be gone now.. So not sure where to put this How Did the New York Strip Steak Get Its Name David Condrey ( talk) 10:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
David Condrey ( talk) 10:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
For a collaboration that seemed to have a bit of a shaky start, this has really developed into a fine example of excellent wordsmithing. I think this could be nominated for GA, but there are some areas I think we could still work on. Off the top of my head, the production section needs expansion, as well as some info on "ham steaks" (which was a good find), and maybe some more expansion on the vegetarian steaks and the human steak section. I am also not sure about the listing of various minced/shredded beef steaks as a bulleted list, maybe this can just be put into straight prose? The marketing and sales section could also do with some additional research for other countries (china, india, etc). -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 08:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Are "ham steaks from a rolled pork loin" as mentioned and pictured in the section steaks at all? They look like cuts off a cooked joint instead. Surely a steak has to be cooked as the unit that is served. The same logic applies to the standing rib roast mentioned in another section. SovalValtos ( talk) 12:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Is http://www.officialsteakandblowjobday.com/steak/history considered a reliable source? SovalValtos ( talk) 14:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone find anything suitable? There are plenty of mammal, some of fish but none of veg. I have tried and failed. SovalValtos ( talk) 16:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
We are getting there with this article. It is much better. The layout is coming along. The galleries should be limited to three or the page gets messed up. I moved watermelon back into the main body so we now have three vegetable images to match the other galleries. It seems that we need a better image of gammon steak, although I like the cold ham steaks on the plate. We need a better image of frozen steak, preferably ham. Or will the Honk Kong one do? It shows quite a different form and illustrates "frozenness", as well as adds another country. We also need a section on Lamb steak (I put in the heading so far) and then the lamb steak image can go there. I moved the reindeer to the cultural significance section and I am not sure that the standing rib is best for marketing and sales, although it is a great image of how steaks can be cut at the point of serving. The carcasses is good image too but I worry that it is too much like beef generally and not enough like steak. Thinking, thinking ... Whiteghost.ink ( talk) 00:36, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I think we should group the last part about steaks made from different meats/vegetables into red/white/other. Turkey steak is currently missing in the white meat section. -- Melody Lavender ( talk) 11:34, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
The addition "Accounts from medieval times, claim that human meat, when cooked, smells identical to that of any other meat, and takes very good, perhaps better than any other meat.[52]" makes no reference to steak, and whilst useful on another page, does not IMHO fit here SovalValtos ( talk) 01:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Please undo the revert you just did to Steak and learn what the appropriate usage of reverting someone is. WP:ROWN If you don't think it belongs, it would be something to mention on the talk page. David Condrey ( talk) 01:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
SovalValtos ( talk) 08:03, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I agree with David. In many cases it's best to bring it up on the talk page first. -- Melody Lavender ( talk) 11:31, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
It would be good to include in this section, something of China, Japan, Inuit or southeast Asia SovalValtos ( talk) 17:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
The article says it is both C class and B class. Which is correct? Whiteghost.ink ( talk) 00:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Result: I'll put this On hold for now. If you make the minor fixes to the sentences that I mentioned above, the article should pass rather easily. I would also recommend grouping sections 7-11 under a larger heading called "Types". (I'm probably not that great of a reviewer, because I'm tempted to go and fix the issues myself rather than type them out and wait for someone else to fix them. ) -- Biblio worm 19:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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I was told that the term 'steak' is derived from 'Hamburger Stück', 'Stück' being the German word for 'piece' and 'Hamburger Stück' being a certain piece of beef that was once served in the city of Hamburg, Germany. It seems clear that 'Hamburger Stück' is the origin of the term Hamburger, but I could not find any source that 'Stück' is also the origin of the term 'steak'. Can anyone help me to find an answer? 80.71.142.166 ( talk) 06:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Ham steak. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 19#Ham steak until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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"fish steak" under "types" section, defines fish steak; "Fish steaks are cut perpendicular to the spine and include bones". however, "fish steak" wiki pages defines it " either include the bones or be boneless".
Please change "Fish steaks are cut perpendicular to the spine and include bones" to "Fish steaks are cut perpendicular to the spine and may include bones". 61.255.148.47 ( talk) 04:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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On a Pork Steak section, there is a sentence "Cooked gammon steaks are a component of a full breakfast, whereas steaks from a rolled pork loin are more likely to be served at lunch." then cite this [3] While on Beefsteak section, there is a sentence "Steak can be cooked relatively quickly compared to other cuts of meat, particularly when cooked at very high temperatures, such as by broiling or grilling." cite this [4] [5]. 49.228.224.219 ( talk) 04:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
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The only link given to support this claim says nothing of the sort though. It merely reports a single protest that took place last year in Australia. This does not substantiate the claim that the protests are a regular occurrence, not to mention the whole statement is vague anyway, as it doesn't even bother to specify eg. where exactly in the world are vegan activist supposed to be protesting on a regular basis. It's completely unencyclopedic. 93.147.234.105 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I would think that after reading the main paragraph a beef steak photo would make the most sense at the top of the page. Nothing against lamb steaks but, besides the photo, lamb isn't even mentioned in the article. Maybe move the beef steak picture up and find a fish steak picture for the bottom part? Brian Earl Haines ( talk) 04:48, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I really can only see this turning into a list of types of steak, beyond that I am really not sure what kind of content we can expect here. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:07, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Back on track: I have a concern with the idea of going with a list-only article. What kind of an encyclopedia doesn't have an article on "Steak" but instead says "See: List of steaks"? The reader is left wondering what a steak is and a list won't answer his question. We need to know what a steak is before we can start listing them. This is equally important for the editor and for the reader. A prose article is the primary encyclopedic form. This is especially important for articles such as "steak", which are concepts that everyone are familiar with, and for that reason people need an outlet of encyclopedic knowledge of. Steak isn't vital or core article on WP, but it could be. For comparison, none of those vital/core articles of comparable scope are lists: spice exists independently of list of spices and nut of list of nuts. In both of those articles, the reader finds what one would expect in an encyclopedia: history, culinary uses, nutritional aspects, commercial activities... encyclopedic coverage. It's worrying to see articles turn into lists just because it's easy to copy entries in summary style from other articles and then put a Main article: template at the top of each section. Writing encyclopedic articles rather than more or less indiscriminate lists is difficult, but on Wikipedia it's what we do. I'm not against lists, I'm against the use of lists where actual articles are warranted. It's up to us if WP has an article on "Steak" or not. Finnusertop ( talk | guestbook | contribs) 15:49, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
The current sentence is not referenced. Sunday or Friday, or both? But surely off topic as is. I have only skimmed through the page and talk so far, but a first impression is that cultural significance could be an important section. Changing perception of steak, and relative values are areas to explore. SovalValtos ( talk) 01:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I keep coming across examples of vegetable 'steaks'. I haven't found any sources yet that describe it in these terms, but near as I can determine, the general criteria for being a 'steak' is uniform thickness and being of moderate size, at least the size of the palm of the hand. I am also finding products like this which are branding themselves as 'vegetarian steak bites', mostly made out of tofu. There are also various recipes on yummly such as cauliflower, mushroom, cabbage, tofu and eggplant. I'm sure other recipe examples can be found, but I am not sure how to include this content reliably. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 23:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
The lead contains the following sentence: For example, there are "swordfish steaks" and "venison steaks", as well as various types of fish steaks, especially salmon. The mention of swordfish steaks in the first half of the sentence followed by as well as various types of fish steaks in the second half sounds very odd to me. I would normally just rewrite this sentence without further input, but I'm puzzled about the best way to rewrite this and still keep the interesting mention about "swordfish steaks". Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind regards, Matt Heard ( talk) 04:55, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I just made a mess of the etymology section. I need some help rewriting it. Also perhaps changing section title to Vocabulary or something, as with the added detail of the language of ordering a steak it's not purely etymology anymore. Also, note valuable resource: http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodmeats.html David Condrey ( talk) 10:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
There used to be sections for various types of steak but they seem to be gone now.. So not sure where to put this How Did the New York Strip Steak Get Its Name David Condrey ( talk) 10:06, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
David Condrey ( talk) 10:13, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
For a collaboration that seemed to have a bit of a shaky start, this has really developed into a fine example of excellent wordsmithing. I think this could be nominated for GA, but there are some areas I think we could still work on. Off the top of my head, the production section needs expansion, as well as some info on "ham steaks" (which was a good find), and maybe some more expansion on the vegetarian steaks and the human steak section. I am also not sure about the listing of various minced/shredded beef steaks as a bulleted list, maybe this can just be put into straight prose? The marketing and sales section could also do with some additional research for other countries (china, india, etc). -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 08:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Are "ham steaks from a rolled pork loin" as mentioned and pictured in the section steaks at all? They look like cuts off a cooked joint instead. Surely a steak has to be cooked as the unit that is served. The same logic applies to the standing rib roast mentioned in another section. SovalValtos ( talk) 12:06, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Is http://www.officialsteakandblowjobday.com/steak/history considered a reliable source? SovalValtos ( talk) 14:04, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone find anything suitable? There are plenty of mammal, some of fish but none of veg. I have tried and failed. SovalValtos ( talk) 16:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
We are getting there with this article. It is much better. The layout is coming along. The galleries should be limited to three or the page gets messed up. I moved watermelon back into the main body so we now have three vegetable images to match the other galleries. It seems that we need a better image of gammon steak, although I like the cold ham steaks on the plate. We need a better image of frozen steak, preferably ham. Or will the Honk Kong one do? It shows quite a different form and illustrates "frozenness", as well as adds another country. We also need a section on Lamb steak (I put in the heading so far) and then the lamb steak image can go there. I moved the reindeer to the cultural significance section and I am not sure that the standing rib is best for marketing and sales, although it is a great image of how steaks can be cut at the point of serving. The carcasses is good image too but I worry that it is too much like beef generally and not enough like steak. Thinking, thinking ... Whiteghost.ink ( talk) 00:36, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I think we should group the last part about steaks made from different meats/vegetables into red/white/other. Turkey steak is currently missing in the white meat section. -- Melody Lavender ( talk) 11:34, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
The addition "Accounts from medieval times, claim that human meat, when cooked, smells identical to that of any other meat, and takes very good, perhaps better than any other meat.[52]" makes no reference to steak, and whilst useful on another page, does not IMHO fit here SovalValtos ( talk) 01:54, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Please undo the revert you just did to Steak and learn what the appropriate usage of reverting someone is. WP:ROWN If you don't think it belongs, it would be something to mention on the talk page. David Condrey ( talk) 01:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
SovalValtos ( talk) 08:03, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I agree with David. In many cases it's best to bring it up on the talk page first. -- Melody Lavender ( talk) 11:31, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
It would be good to include in this section, something of China, Japan, Inuit or southeast Asia SovalValtos ( talk) 17:27, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
The article says it is both C class and B class. Which is correct? Whiteghost.ink ( talk) 00:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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@ EuroCarGT: Here are my comments:
Result: I'll put this On hold for now. If you make the minor fixes to the sentences that I mentioned above, the article should pass rather easily. I would also recommend grouping sections 7-11 under a larger heading called "Types". (I'm probably not that great of a reviewer, because I'm tempted to go and fix the issues myself rather than type them out and wait for someone else to fix them. ) -- Biblio worm 19:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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I was told that the term 'steak' is derived from 'Hamburger Stück', 'Stück' being the German word for 'piece' and 'Hamburger Stück' being a certain piece of beef that was once served in the city of Hamburg, Germany. It seems clear that 'Hamburger Stück' is the origin of the term Hamburger, but I could not find any source that 'Stück' is also the origin of the term 'steak'. Can anyone help me to find an answer? 80.71.142.166 ( talk) 06:52, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Ham steak. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 August 19#Ham steak until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 ( talk) 22:21, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
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"fish steak" under "types" section, defines fish steak; "Fish steaks are cut perpendicular to the spine and include bones". however, "fish steak" wiki pages defines it " either include the bones or be boneless".
Please change "Fish steaks are cut perpendicular to the spine and include bones" to "Fish steaks are cut perpendicular to the spine and may include bones". 61.255.148.47 ( talk) 04:22, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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On Protest section, remove the better source template and add this sources [1] [2] 218.41.211.248 ( talk) 00:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
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On a Pork Steak section, there is a sentence "Cooked gammon steaks are a component of a full breakfast, whereas steaks from a rolled pork loin are more likely to be served at lunch." then cite this [3] While on Beefsteak section, there is a sentence "Steak can be cooked relatively quickly compared to other cuts of meat, particularly when cooked at very high temperatures, such as by broiling or grilling." cite this [4] [5]. 49.228.224.219 ( talk) 04:13, 6 August 2021 (UTC)