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this category " Category:Neoclassical sculptures" because well, it's not neoclassical. But if you think it is. let's talk. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 04:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
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Moved to Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial). There is a clear consensus that the current title is subpar, and more support for Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) as a clearly understandable option than for any other option. bd2412 T 14:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln (1920 statue) → Abraham Lincoln (French, 1920) – My understanding is we disambiguate by artist last name or location when possible. In this case, we should use "French" and the year to disambiguate from Abraham Lincoln (1912 statue), which was designed by the same artist. "Abraham Lincoln (1920 statue)" does not disambiguate by artist or location, or avoid potential confusion with other statues of Lincoln completed in 1920. I suppose Abraham Lincoln (French, Lincoln Memorial) is also an option, but at that point I wonder if Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) is better. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:52, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Ham II: Curious, why did you remove Category:Monuments and memorials to Abraham Lincoln in the United States? Were you planning to add a monument/memorial category to the parent Category:Statues of Abraham Lincoln? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
WP:VAMOS has been updated and now says:
Should this page be moved to Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial)? Perhaps stating the obvious here, but we cannot go with Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Washington, D.C.) because there are multiple notable statues of Lincoln in D.C. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:10, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) → Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) – WP:VAMOS has been updated and now says: "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo" "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" is recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better." Since there are other statues of Lincoln in Washington, D.C., we must use a more specific location. This move would make the page more consistent with entries in Category:Statues of Abraham Lincoln. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
...unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME– applies to this statue. Also seems to be its official name, as well. P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 21:22, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
User:EEng has reinserted the following text, which discusses the possibility that the sculptor intended for Lincoln's hands to form the letters "A" and "L" in sign language:
Legend
A legend is that Lincoln is shown using
sign language to represent his initials, with his left hand shaped to form an "A" and his right hand to form an "L". The
National Park Service denies the story, calling it an
urban legend.
[1] However, historian Gerald Prokopowicz writes that, while it is not clear that sculptor Daniel Chester French intended for Lincoln's hands to be formed into sign language versions of his initials, it is possible that French did intend it, because he was familiar with
American Sign Language, and he would have had a reason to do so, i.e., to pay tribute to Lincoln for having signed the federal legislation giving
Gallaudet University, a university for the deaf, the authority to grant college degrees.
[2]
[3] The
National Geographic Society's publication, On This Spot: Pinpointing the Past in Washington, D.C., states that French had a son who was deaf, and the sculptor was familiar with sign language.
[4]
[5] Historian James A. Percoco has observed that, although there are no extant documents showing that French carved Lincoln's hands to represent the letters "A" and "L" in American Sign Language, "I think you can conclude that it's reasonable to have that kind of summation about the hands."
[6]
References
None of the sources cited can confirm there is any truth to this; that the sculptor intentionally designed the hands for this purpose. Moreover, the Park Service writes:
To support the speculation about Lincoln's hands, two non-notable authors are cited, who make an effort to explain why it may be possible that this was the sculptor's intent. While certainly not a fringe theory, it is unencyclopedic speculation, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. At the least, the section should be trimmed to one sentence. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:07, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
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this category " Category:Neoclassical sculptures" because well, it's not neoclassical. But if you think it is. let's talk. Einar aka Carptrash ( talk) 04:39, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
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Moved to Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial). There is a clear consensus that the current title is subpar, and more support for Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) as a clearly understandable option than for any other option. bd2412 T 14:33, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln (1920 statue) → Abraham Lincoln (French, 1920) – My understanding is we disambiguate by artist last name or location when possible. In this case, we should use "French" and the year to disambiguate from Abraham Lincoln (1912 statue), which was designed by the same artist. "Abraham Lincoln (1920 statue)" does not disambiguate by artist or location, or avoid potential confusion with other statues of Lincoln completed in 1920. I suppose Abraham Lincoln (French, Lincoln Memorial) is also an option, but at that point I wonder if Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) is better. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 00:52, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
@ Ham II: Curious, why did you remove Category:Monuments and memorials to Abraham Lincoln in the United States? Were you planning to add a monument/memorial category to the parent Category:Statues of Abraham Lincoln? --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
WP:VAMOS has been updated and now says:
Should this page be moved to Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial)? Perhaps stating the obvious here, but we cannot go with Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Washington, D.C.) because there are multiple notable statues of Lincoln in D.C. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:10, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) → Statue of Abraham Lincoln (Lincoln Memorial) – WP:VAMOS has been updated and now says: "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo" "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" is recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better." Since there are other statues of Lincoln in Washington, D.C., we must use a more specific location. This move would make the page more consistent with entries in Category:Statues of Abraham Lincoln. -- Another Believer ( Talk) 15:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 ( talk) 18:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
...unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME– applies to this statue. Also seems to be its official name, as well. P.I. Ellsworth ed. put'r there 21:22, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
User:EEng has reinserted the following text, which discusses the possibility that the sculptor intended for Lincoln's hands to form the letters "A" and "L" in sign language:
Legend
A legend is that Lincoln is shown using
sign language to represent his initials, with his left hand shaped to form an "A" and his right hand to form an "L". The
National Park Service denies the story, calling it an
urban legend.
[1] However, historian Gerald Prokopowicz writes that, while it is not clear that sculptor Daniel Chester French intended for Lincoln's hands to be formed into sign language versions of his initials, it is possible that French did intend it, because he was familiar with
American Sign Language, and he would have had a reason to do so, i.e., to pay tribute to Lincoln for having signed the federal legislation giving
Gallaudet University, a university for the deaf, the authority to grant college degrees.
[2]
[3] The
National Geographic Society's publication, On This Spot: Pinpointing the Past in Washington, D.C., states that French had a son who was deaf, and the sculptor was familiar with sign language.
[4]
[5] Historian James A. Percoco has observed that, although there are no extant documents showing that French carved Lincoln's hands to represent the letters "A" and "L" in American Sign Language, "I think you can conclude that it's reasonable to have that kind of summation about the hands."
[6]
References
None of the sources cited can confirm there is any truth to this; that the sculptor intentionally designed the hands for this purpose. Moreover, the Park Service writes:
To support the speculation about Lincoln's hands, two non-notable authors are cited, who make an effort to explain why it may be possible that this was the sculptor's intent. While certainly not a fringe theory, it is unencyclopedic speculation, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. At the least, the section should be trimmed to one sentence. The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 ( talk) 10:07, 2 October 2021 (UTC)