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Is Paul Blake ( Greedo) credited in the cast list in the actual film? I just noticed his only mention in the article is in the filming section in a paragraph devoted to Jabba the Hutt. I imagine he deserves to be in the cast section, but if he is not credited at all in the film credits I'm not sure. Sidebar, the paragraph discussing Jabba fails to mention he was played by Declan Mulholland in the deleted scene that Lucas reinserted into the film with the 1997 special edition. It'd be nice to find a source for that (I'd imagine Rinzler's book states it). – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 20:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
I notice my addition regarding computer animation was reverted (re-reading it, the sentence itself should probably have been rewritten). Since there already is a segment about the computer animation, the new information feels relevant, as it explains why the animation was made in the first place. Lucas could have used a miniature or traditional animation to make the short instruction video in the briefing room, but he wanted the audience to know they were looking at CGI, and for that purpose he decided to use wire-frame models, which is not a representation of what computers were capable of in the 70s (but it did take a lot of effort, about two minutes for each frame). Which explain his choice.
Quotes from the article:
"With Star Wars already in production, George Lucas issued a call for bids from companies and individuals to produce various bits of instrumentation animation — in particular the briefing room sequence. A number of computer artists and some cel animators responded. (The article later says: "The briefing room sequence is the only scene in Star Wars in which digital computer animation was used — other than for occasional background displays as part of the Deathstar set")
Some of the computer people had very sophisticated equipment capable of producing colored and shaded planes and forms. One computer artist even wanted to do most of the model sequences entirely on computers. George spoke with each of the artists and viewed their work, but Larry seemed to understand the kind of look that George wanted for the film.
On the screen the Star Wars audience sees the computer realization of the trench sequence in the form of a “wire cage’’ model rather than as a series of solid forms and planes. One of the early problems in computer graphics was the wire cage versus solid form display. At first computer programs could only call up figures in wire cage format. It was only a few years ago that programs were devised to remove the “hidden lines;’’ the program had to determine which lines would be “hidden’’ by a front surface or plane and remove those lines.
“When George Lucas specified the kind of animation he wanted for the scene, he knew enough about computer animation to ask for a true perspective without the ‘hidden lines’ removed. He wanted the trench and the Deathstar to appear as wire cage figures with all lines and vertices visible. George thought that this sort of image would suggest ‘computer animation’ by having a very mechanical look.”
Larry Cuba suggests that in the future computers will be able to generate pictures of such quality that they will look as though they had been photographed by a camera. In the case of Star Wars, it was thought that such photographic realism might be confusing to the audience, so a wire cage model was specified so that the audience would readily understand that the images were to have been created by a machine.
“I set up a Mitchell 35mm camera with an animation motor in front of the screen and connected it to the computer so that a signal from the program could trigger the animation motor when the image was complete.”
“I suggested that they wait and shoot the sequence in England blue screen; they could print the computer effects in later and have the thing perfect. But no, they wanted to rear project it so that the guys in the briefing room would play to the images while they were talking. Well, my first take worked. There were a couple of problems, but they edited around them.”
Also sounds like there was a little more CGI than just the briefing room, even if it's just some minor stuff. Silbad ( talk) 10:55, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Should we mention the fact that the Death Star is a space station? As it reads, "the Empire's newest weapon, the Death Star" seems to leave it very vague, as a "weapon" can mean anything. I'm thinking expand it to "the Empire's newest weapon, a space station known as the Death Star." – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 21:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Earlier I made an edit in the plot about the TIE fighter dogfight, however, it was deemed unnecessary as it was supposedly 'not essential for a summary'. However, I believe it should be mentioned. It's a scene of its own nevertheless.
The other edit was about Luke referring to Obi-Wan as Ben Kenobi, and at the beginning of the movie, Luke is confused about the name Obi-Wan. I believe Ben Kenobi should be mentioned somewhere, and is revealed to be Obi-Wan. One place it could be is here: "He is rescued by Obi-Wan, an elderly hermit. Obi-Wan tells Luke about....". It was removed because of the little leeway on grammar.
Also, one last suggestion is to add a link to Obi-Wan's name in the current plot. This was not from my original edit.
Thank you for your time Auser468 ( talk) 08:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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Is Paul Blake ( Greedo) credited in the cast list in the actual film? I just noticed his only mention in the article is in the filming section in a paragraph devoted to Jabba the Hutt. I imagine he deserves to be in the cast section, but if he is not credited at all in the film credits I'm not sure. Sidebar, the paragraph discussing Jabba fails to mention he was played by Declan Mulholland in the deleted scene that Lucas reinserted into the film with the 1997 special edition. It'd be nice to find a source for that (I'd imagine Rinzler's book states it). – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 20:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
I notice my addition regarding computer animation was reverted (re-reading it, the sentence itself should probably have been rewritten). Since there already is a segment about the computer animation, the new information feels relevant, as it explains why the animation was made in the first place. Lucas could have used a miniature or traditional animation to make the short instruction video in the briefing room, but he wanted the audience to know they were looking at CGI, and for that purpose he decided to use wire-frame models, which is not a representation of what computers were capable of in the 70s (but it did take a lot of effort, about two minutes for each frame). Which explain his choice.
Quotes from the article:
"With Star Wars already in production, George Lucas issued a call for bids from companies and individuals to produce various bits of instrumentation animation — in particular the briefing room sequence. A number of computer artists and some cel animators responded. (The article later says: "The briefing room sequence is the only scene in Star Wars in which digital computer animation was used — other than for occasional background displays as part of the Deathstar set")
Some of the computer people had very sophisticated equipment capable of producing colored and shaded planes and forms. One computer artist even wanted to do most of the model sequences entirely on computers. George spoke with each of the artists and viewed their work, but Larry seemed to understand the kind of look that George wanted for the film.
On the screen the Star Wars audience sees the computer realization of the trench sequence in the form of a “wire cage’’ model rather than as a series of solid forms and planes. One of the early problems in computer graphics was the wire cage versus solid form display. At first computer programs could only call up figures in wire cage format. It was only a few years ago that programs were devised to remove the “hidden lines;’’ the program had to determine which lines would be “hidden’’ by a front surface or plane and remove those lines.
“When George Lucas specified the kind of animation he wanted for the scene, he knew enough about computer animation to ask for a true perspective without the ‘hidden lines’ removed. He wanted the trench and the Deathstar to appear as wire cage figures with all lines and vertices visible. George thought that this sort of image would suggest ‘computer animation’ by having a very mechanical look.”
Larry Cuba suggests that in the future computers will be able to generate pictures of such quality that they will look as though they had been photographed by a camera. In the case of Star Wars, it was thought that such photographic realism might be confusing to the audience, so a wire cage model was specified so that the audience would readily understand that the images were to have been created by a machine.
“I set up a Mitchell 35mm camera with an animation motor in front of the screen and connected it to the computer so that a signal from the program could trigger the animation motor when the image was complete.”
“I suggested that they wait and shoot the sequence in England blue screen; they could print the computer effects in later and have the thing perfect. But no, they wanted to rear project it so that the guys in the briefing room would play to the images while they were talking. Well, my first take worked. There were a couple of problems, but they edited around them.”
Also sounds like there was a little more CGI than just the briefing room, even if it's just some minor stuff. Silbad ( talk) 10:55, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Should we mention the fact that the Death Star is a space station? As it reads, "the Empire's newest weapon, the Death Star" seems to leave it very vague, as a "weapon" can mean anything. I'm thinking expand it to "the Empire's newest weapon, a space station known as the Death Star." – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 21:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Earlier I made an edit in the plot about the TIE fighter dogfight, however, it was deemed unnecessary as it was supposedly 'not essential for a summary'. However, I believe it should be mentioned. It's a scene of its own nevertheless.
The other edit was about Luke referring to Obi-Wan as Ben Kenobi, and at the beginning of the movie, Luke is confused about the name Obi-Wan. I believe Ben Kenobi should be mentioned somewhere, and is revealed to be Obi-Wan. One place it could be is here: "He is rescued by Obi-Wan, an elderly hermit. Obi-Wan tells Luke about....". It was removed because of the little leeway on grammar.
Also, one last suggestion is to add a link to Obi-Wan's name in the current plot. This was not from my original edit.
Thank you for your time Auser468 ( talk) 08:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)