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I'm suprised that this very comprehensive article has no section devoted to Star Wars Criticism. I'm sure most wikipedians (like myself) love Star Wars, but there are some substantial negatives that could be included in this article to create a more neutral POV. Excessive marketing/merchandizing and LucasFilm profit motivations (video game and action figure sales, numerous re-releases, ect), racial stereotypes and sexism, moral simplicity, and possible negative impacts on the movie industry are all reasonable criticisms that have been directed towards the films and expanded universe. Although some of these are addressed in individual articles I believe there should be a section for general critique in the main article. Any thoughts?
SimonSayz 19:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, as long as the criticisms are adequately sourced. CuriousCat 13:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
"Racial stereotypes and sexism" and "profit motivations" will likely lead you down a path toward POV. As for the latter, I'm confused by this need to paint Lucas as a money-grubber for trying to milk the cash cow. Not that it's right, wrong or in-between, but why is this so often pinned on Lucas while turning a blind eye to the rest of, well, anyone in the business world? At least Lucas has something to show for it: the expansion of his business (not personal) empire. The racial stereotypes have been put to bed a long time ago. A passing mention might be included, but I'm against anything that welcomes a host of Lucas-bashing onto this page. I'm no apologist, but he's a pretty broad target, and people tend to go overboard. PacificBoy 20:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Are there any good references, books, etc, for the article? (Verifiably, etc) -- AllyUnion (talk) 19:42, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the "Main film locations" section. These locations are accessible through the individual film pages and not needed here. The article needs to get shorter, and removing lists like this one completely also prevents people from adding their favorite location. Similarly, I have cut the main characters quite a lot. I hope it won't grow too much again. Kusma (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I have cut the Box office performance section and put it below. My reasoning is as follows:
A table about this issue would have to be more detailed, and would then be confusing, so I just cut it as part of my recent cutting spree. Kusma (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
The worldwide box office grosses of each trilogy parallel each other. The first episode of each trilogy generated the highest box office gross, while the middle episode of each trilogy generated the lowest box office gross (without adjustment for inflation). Although the films of the prequel trilogy had higher worldwide box office grosses than the films of the original trilogy, the reverse is true if the figures are properly adjusted for inflation.
No. | Title | Year | Budget (and 2005 equivalent) | Worldwide gross (and 2005 equivalent) |
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I | The Phantom Menace | 1999 | $115,000,000 ($131,000,000) | $922,379,000 ($1,052,000,000) |
II | Attack of the Clones | 2002 | $120,000,000 ($128,000,000) | $648,200,000 ($692,000,000) |
III | Revenge of the Sith | 2005 | $113,000,000 ($113,000,000) | $847,262,555 ($848,400,000) |
IV | A New Hope | 1977 | $11,000,000 ($36,000,000) | $797,900,000 ($2,589,000,000) |
V | The Empire Strikes Back | 1980 | $18,000,000 ($46,000,000) | $533,800,000 ($1,356,000,000) |
VI | Return of the Jedi | 1983 | $32,500,000 ($62,000,000) | $572,700,000 ($1,094,000,000) |
What do you think? E Pluribus Anthony 19:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
i say one article... its too confusing having two... lol. you could just take the anakin article, then put it right before the vader article and merge them together into one 70.57.199.16 02:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)starwarsnerd
Well, seeing as how they are the SAME PERSON, I'd say do one article. MasterXiam 15:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
How about moving this section in its entirety to List of changes in Star Wars re-releases and renaming that page to Changes in Star Wars re-releases or simply Star Wars re-releases? The main Star Wars page could only keep a short paragraph like
Cutting this section would (I guess) get the page under the magic 32k limit (the Influences and Conception parts could still use some cutting, though). Kusma (討論) 03:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Wasn't the film released in 1977 actually called Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope and just marketed as Star Wars? Later on, when the Special Edition was released, wasn't it just remarketed under its original correct title? This should be relected in the article. --9 June 2006 Champaign IL
The current WP article on this topic is found at midi-clorians (sic) at the insistence of a user with an early edition of the novelization of The Phantom Menace where the word is supposedly spelled that way. Requesting input in the discussion over what is actually the canonical spelling. Thank you. Rcharman 21:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
im pretty sure its midi-chlorians, and what about commlink? or is it comlink? Starwarsnerd 02:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that there should be a new section on the general reception of the films. I think that information on the box office earnings needs to be merged into that section. The Wookieepedian 13:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I have just deleted this section, because it seems to be unmanageable. It always grows because people add their favorite character or disagree who is indeed major. It also doesn't really seem to be needed in this overview article (the really major people are mentioned in the plot outline anyway). Kusma (討論) 00:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Changed classical music to romantic music in the intro and in a couple places in the Music section. If you would like to know why, listen to some Bach(classical period) then Wagner(romantic period) then Williams' original Star Wars music, and you will see which one doesn't belong. In this I wish to promote a more accurate definiton of "classical" and "romantic" music, instead of grouping together all orchestral music as "classical."
I am open to criticism though, so please respond. -- Zaorish 04:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a little peeved about the statement that the score for Star Wars brought Williams "international recognition." Jaws not only won the man his (second) Oscar, its theme music is arguably more well-known than that of Star Wars. PacificBoy 23:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:External links, I deleted a lot of the external links that, while related to Star Wars, were really of limited interest. If someone is unfamiliar with Star Wars and is looking it up in Wikipedia, they probably don't care about fanfiction, re-enactment by bunnies, or other minutiae. tregoweth 00:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Were the imperials like this? You could tell that there's rarely any people of non Anglo-Saxon desent that serve the imperial military.Is this due to that racist humans from star Wars also hated non-white humans as well as hating aliens, or the lack of non-white humans.Answer please.Thanks.
The predominantly white representation is on both the "rebel" and "imperial" side, the reason is? The films were shot primarily in England which has a very low population of ethnic groups other than "Anglo-Saxon" and as such very few Actors who are not white.
The Concept of the empire being "racist" is largly a fan creation, it is very minimumly seen in the films, there are only 5 NON humans seen serving with the rebels, as opposed to 3 serving the empire, and sporaticly menchioned in a few of the EU books.
Well, we can have it either way, both represents a uniform set of posters. We have the original theatrical posters, or the posters all done by the same artist. Either choice would be uniform. It's just that I feel that original releases should be represented. The Wookieepedian 19:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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Here's a weird fact. Just now watched Kind Hearts and Coronets, and between 53 and 54 minutes in, Alec Guinness, playing this time the somewhat demented rector of the church, after both had been drinking, says to Dennis Price, "My Lord, the Port is with you." I had to listen to this three times to get the wording right.
This is eerily close to Obi-Wan Kenobi's comment to Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, "Luke, the Force is with you." One wonders if it is not deliberate. Does it deserve mention in Kind Hearts and Coronets or the Star Wars or the Alec Guinness article? I don't know. Bill Jefferys 02:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah? Well. Anyways, are you sure it's meanin' a thing equal of the 'spritual entity' the Force is, or just some "the Port" as an object or a place of people or an organization? Coincidences happen ;)-- OleMurder 16:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone find a better pic of the posters for the original trilogy. The Special Edition ones suck. Take pics of these ones.
Star Wars- [1] Empire- [2] Jedi- [3] 68.148.12.214 23:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
star wars set in?
Pece Kocovski 11:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I started a Star Wars wikiproject proposal. Here is the proposal. Deckiller 00:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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-- Dr. Mahongany 16:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Deckiller/WikiProject Star Wars - I'll try to get it up and going officially tonight or tomorrow. Deckiller 23:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently, some users have commented about whether stuff about Nazi Germany should be included in discussions of the Empire. My response - relax. Don't get so uptight about the comparison...
Himmler. Gothic Lolita. neener neener. Nuff said. And, besides, the Emperor DID commit genocide. Alderaan, remember? — Rickyrab | Talk 06:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
"Star Wars: The Magic of Myth," the Smithsonian exhibit, makes much of the comparisons to, if not the Holocaust, then at least Nazism. The fascist soldiers are, after all, called stormtroopers. PacificBoy 21:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Is Bigfoot a Wookiee? Some campers heard Bigfoot one night going "GAAAAAA" and "UUUUUUUH". — Rickyrab | Talk 06:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Updated the music section to give John Williams credit for some of his better known stuff than "South Park" and "Ghost Recon Six" both of which I have found no evidence to back up. There isn't even a game titled "Ghost Recon Six".
DarthChucks 21:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I suspect "Ghost Recon Six" is a confused intermingling of the computer games "Ghost Recon" and "Rainbow Six", which were produced by the same programming team and are relatively similar in content and style. However, John Williams has nothing to do with either game; the music for both was done by Bill Brown. He's sometimes called "the John Williams of computer games", though. -- JaceCady 04:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
There Is Also A Religeon Based Off This Movie. Should That Be Mentioned?
Its A Legally Licensed Religion
http://www.jedichurch.com/5932/home/home.html
Apparently, the bottom corner of the picture on the Star Wars main article ( click here) should say "Digitally Mastered" for the THX logo. The picture says "Digiforce mastered". I own the 2004 DVDs (widescreen by the way), and it doesn't say "Digiforce" but really "Digitally mastered".
I would have to agree that it should be added. Maybe in a Triva section or in a page of the like. But I never knew that before right now, and it's information like the ladder that makes me come to this site so often. 64.231.8.232 11:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC) Elisa Ardell (lledra)
Nice article. But I think the fan-film section should be trimmed down, at least, the two notable films should be removed, I think there is way too much emphasis on the fanmade films in the article.
Also, the cultural influence section is far too short for something as huge as Star Wars. Don't know what you could write, but I was a little suprised by how short it was. I was looking through flickr and thought this could be useful, [4] in representing the popularity of Star Wars to an extent. The uploader tagged it with a commons license, so if that would look nice, someone might want to add it. Cheers. Cvene64 03:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
IMO, if we can get this to featured quality, it should be featured on May 25, 2007. The Wookieepedian 22:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Don't be so reductionist. It's possible to handle Star Wars articles (or any fictional articles, for that matter) from an out-of-universe perspective, by focusing on placing fictional elements in a real-world context. (Even if it never gets policy-fied, User:BrianSmithson/Writing about fiction is worth a read.) In this case, I don't see any section that falls into the trap of being too in-universe, unlike, say, Palpatine. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
The sections after the feature films disappeared. Where'd it go? Ollie the Magic Skater 01:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully no one will mind if I remove the tag "V0.5|class=GA|category=Socsci", as it seems to block the article's inclusion into the Wikifilm Project's GA category. -- P-Chan 00:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I readded it because it's important, thanks Jaranda wat's sup 04:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I note that the link to Wookieepedia is now via the corresponding template. Some would argue that this is less usable, but other find duplication irritating. It is a matter of judgement... Also: because the pattern is not simply using Template:wikia, new users who know about Wikia will not immediately recognize that the Star Wars Wikia and Wookipedia are the same. They will figure it out soon enough, but it is not obvious. -- 67.121.112.202 00:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone else believe the rumours that Lucas is making even more changes to both trilogies for the upcoming Saga box set. I've heard rumours that he's filming new scenes for A New Hope portraying the Emperor dissolving the Senate and Bail Organa's last moments on Alderaan before the Death Star destroys. More A New Hope rumours include a scene with Darth Vader returning to Coruscant at the end to visit the Emperor and his duel with Obi-Wan more CGI. As for The Empire Striked Back will 've heard he will replace the Yoda puppet with a CGI Yoda to make him look more consistent and another revision of the scene between the Emperor and Darth Vader on the Executor. And also more Battle of Hoth scenes.
As for the Prequels? I'd say for Attack Of The Clones Lucas should re-insert the raid on the Droid Control Ship. For Revenge Of The Sith put back in the rebellion scenes (makes sense to see Mon Mothma in her early years and the birth of the resistence that opposes the Emperor on such a large scale in the original triology) and Yoda landing on Dagobah.
I can definitely see ROTS extended a lot. However, the whole point of CG Yoda was to make him closer to Oz's puppet: the replacement will be in TPM.
Expect anything and any changed:
"Lucas on B&W films "Classic films should not be altered from thier original format, adding color is altering the original art. Films should remain as they were originaly released so as to preserve thier artisit statement"
Clearly he changed his mind he may have changed his mind about a great many things.
See title. Ollie the Magic Skater 02:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't the seventh film mentioned? "Star Wars Episode Zero: Balance of the Force" is already in the make with minor computer-FX job. Between Darth Plaguesis and young Kvi-Gong, you'll understand the dark and light sides of the force are not that strictly separated. You will learn why Anakin came to be. By the end you will know why making of ep7-9 is inevitable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.70.32.136 ( talk • contribs)
Yes please read the above link. It also sounds like a fan film or the comment at least sounds like a promotion of a fan film, which I wouldn't doubt. -- Tenric 20:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I see Clone Wars and Knights being cited a lot by fans. I'm wondering if they are G-Canon, considering Lucas did involve himself lightly in the former. Wiki-newbie 12:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
"Some people also consider that Darth Vader's appearance is similar to the Ice Warriors from long running SCI-FI series Doctor Who, this is due to the fact that the Ice Warriors share a similar dome shaped helmet and also the same voice patterns when they breathe. This is also coupled with the fact that the Ice Warriors were introduced into the show in 1967, the same time when Lucas was designing Star Wars"
Gotta say, I don't know where to begin dismantling this. 1) Any resemblance between Vader and the Ice Warriors is extremely tenuous at best; 2) Star Wars wasn't a glint in Lucas' eye in 1967; 3) Dr. Who wasn't shown in the US until the late 1970s; 4) Vader's appearance was primarily based on samurai helmet, fine-tuned at Lucas' suggestion by Ralph McQuarrie.
Finally, again, WHO ARE "SOME PEOPLE"???
I'm deleting it.
PacificBoy 23:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The original trilogy and the prequel trilogy are two different trilogies and I think they should be listed as such, instead of listing the movies in chronological order.
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This is official, and not some rumor! George Lucas said it himself.
Take a look at this! Warning: This spoils the whole plot outline of the films!
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode7/plot.html
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode8/plot.html
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode9/plot.html
I hope they make them... Aero Flame 12:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Very old fan-fiction I believe. Wiki-newbie 12:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Supershadow is a fake. When I first saw it I thought it was real too, but it's nothing but a lie. So please do not put it on the page. A7X 900 19:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
star trek and star wars Whenever I look either Star trek or Star wars on the wekipedia,it labels Star trek as "science fiction" and Star Wars as "science fantesy". This is absoloutly absurd. Infact,wekipedia has got the two switched.
The elements used in Star Trek are pure fantesy such as time travel,a god-like being known as Q who has unlimited abilities,teleportation,weapons that can send planets milions of years into the past,seazing them from existence or weapons that can destroy matter(which directly goes against the laws of physics). Take anyone of these elements and each rules out the concept of Star Trek being science fiction.
Star Wars on the other hand has none of these elements. Infact,Star Wars carries none of the false elements used in Star Trek. In Star Wars they have used technology of which a few are available today and technical terms borrowed from real life technology such as "laser" or "proton" whereas in Star Trek,fictional words have been created to sound like real life words such as "phaser"(to replace laser). Some technology used in Star Wars is being used today such as robots,though not as sophisticated. Laser guns are used today to cut through metal(also used in Star Wars) but obviously unable to have rappid fire. Bacically most of the technology in Star Wars today is non-existent,but each still carries a sceintific theory behind it just as the theory of flight existed long before humans took to the skies.
Regarding the "force" which has been the main contribution into classyfying Star Wars as "science fantesy",people who have followed the Star Wars saga should know that this energy field is generated by by mediclaurians(a fictional term,but with explanation).
The organisms in the Star Wars universe possess these microscopic life-forms in their system that allow them to conduct the energy known as "the force". It basically reflects on scince inour world. For example,why are electric eels able to produce electricity around their body while sharks are not?The answer is their bodies are equipped with capacitors as oppossed to sharks.In the same way,the users of the force(both and Jedi and Sith)are contained with enough medichlorians to produce enough energy waves to push around heavy objects.
The simple reason it's been classified as "science fantesy" as oppossed to Star Trek is it lacks in scientific terms whereas Star Trek is filled with made-up scientific(or so-called "scientific terms"). Most of the technology used in Star Wars may not be available today or probably even centuries from now,but to say Star Trek is "more realistic" than Star Wars is pure ignorance. Nadirali 03:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
If this is just about improving articles,then why are people just opening topics on Star Wars randomly? And how can Star Trek be considered scientific? Man in block has made the general statement without even explaining it.
I don't want to sound too agressive here,but people are ignoring the points I made aobut Star Trek being fantasy compared to SW. Read them before you answer. And as for posting random articles on the subject of Star Wars:if everyone can do it then so can I.
Thanks for the warm words Darthgliz
Before I start,I apologise for being so naggy on the subject of Star Wars being more scientific than Star Trek,but I seem to have made an interesting connection between math and physics,although sceintists and mathamatitions know this already,it is new to me.
Back to the subject of reducing matter into vacume(or absoloutely nothing but empty space)with the help of anti-matter as theorized in Star Trek is a physical/mathamatical impossibility.
I will now prove my theory:
In Star Trek,matter is reduced to nothing by a phaser weapon armed with "anti-matter". In sceince,according to Einstien,matter can be transformed into energy,but if Im not mistaken,that's quite different from reducing matter to vacume.
This physical impossibility can be translated into the math formula: X is any random number you want to choose,wheather decimal or whole number.
X/0 = error. Try it on a calculator and substitute X by any number you desire.
Now coming to back that Star Trek theory of reducing matter to vacume using the "anti-matter" phaser weapon,we can apply the formula.
X is the number of the solid object(s). 0 is the "anti-matter" the phaser weapon is armed with because as we all know zero is nothing. You try to reduce the number of the solid object(s) using nothing into nothing and the formula shows it's a physical/mathamatical impossibility.
Correct me if Im wrong because Im not the best student in science or math. My basic point is numbers are there to reperesent anything from distance to solid objects.By dividing numbers(except in the use of 0),you can never get an answer of zero in division.Basically,keep braking down matter,and you find you can never reduce it to nothing. If anyone wants to make a comment please do so.Just do not accusse me of turning this Star Wars discussion into a science lecture as discussing the science of Star Wars is talking about a part of Star Wars itself. Nadirali 20:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Nadirali
In Star Wars: Episode V; we learn that Darth Vader is Luke's father. Is it possible that the name Vader connects with the German word for father; Vater? The two are very similar, with Vater meaning father, and Darth Vader being Luke's father. Ponder that.
Shouldn't this article (and it's related articles) have an infobox? I'm thinking something like found on.... well.... Star Trek, or even at Template:Christianity. Jhamez84 23:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I am adressing the Film maker regarding the editing those articles on Star Wars.
You may like calling Star Wars science fantasy,but due to the reasons that Star Wars contains none of the fantasy elements that STar Trek does it would be invalid to do so. Your opinion is giving me the hint that you are a Trekkie.I have already argues with my fellow Star Wars fans and other Trekies about this topic(check the articles written above)
So it's been voted as "sceince fantasy" regarding the so-called "prequel trilogy".But that's a seperate trilogy all together.I am only speaking of the originals. First off,where did you get this word?I checked 3 online dictionaries for this word and found nothing.Did you make up this word by any chance? And second,your article states that it's a saga.Star Wars is more than just a saga.It's an entire universe,ocnsisted of the saga,spin-offs,novels comics etc.
If you have viwed any of the actual Star Wars movies on DVD,they are rated PG-13 for SCIENCE FICTION violence.
If Mr Lucas would like it to be known as "science fantasy",then his company should stop producing the technical journals,the technical encyclopedias or anything that tries to rationlize the technology of Star Wars.
Please understand that I have already discussed the realism of Star Wars as compared to star trek.Star Trek has been proven to be fantasy by engineer Micheal Wong as well as explained the science of Star Wars(visit his site http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html) ,whereas the technical commentries of STar Wars are written by Dr Curtis Auxtin who has a PHD in astrophysics.
Star Wars is SCIENCE FICTION
Thankyou.
Listen,I did not re-start the topic again.Im done discussing the reality of Star Wars.I was messaged by this guy called the Filmmaker not to edit Star Wars as science fiction. He asked me to respond on the message board and here I am. I simply wrote that because I was told by the guy called "the Filmmaker" to post my arguements so here I am. I am not here to start a fight or anything.
Alright, first I'd like to mention that I only just now found your arguments as I asked you to post them in the talk page of one of the film articles, however we can make due with this. I'd like to address your........ accusation? that I am a Trekkie. I am not, I have never even seen a full episode or film from the Star Trek universe. Lucas has also referred to it as "space fantasy", however he has been contesting the title of "science fiction" for much longer than he has allowed it. The general media has, yes, labeled the film as science fiction. Only because is easily mistaken for it because of it's space setting and use of technology beyond this world. This is why it has been nominated for awards and received ratings with titles featuring the words "science fiction" or "sci-fi". However, can you really contest that the award committee would invent a new category, such as "Best Science Fantasy Film" when only one such film was released that year? Star Wars is considered science fantasy because of it's use of fantasy mythologies established by Joseph Campbell is his book "Hero with a Thousand Faces", by taking themes that run across almost all great fantasy stories and putting them in a scientifically advanced setting. You can read more about it in the A New Hope article.
Alright,I will respond here with facts,that is placing my opinions aside to validate my arguemnts.
FACT-People who write articles on wekipedia write the articles on their perspective of things such as history or cetain issues.
FACT-Majority votes do not impact the belifs of all people(otherwise they would be "majority votes" would they?it would be all to nothing)Such as 1+1=2.If the majority of the world voted 1+1=5 it would not really be that way just because the majority sees it in that way.
FACT-wekipedia is a nuetral site and respects every person's perspective of an issue,whather majority or not.If it's not doing this then it's not neutral at all.
FACT-When you make a general statement and contradict yourself,people cannot prove which mesage you are trying to validate.Geroge Lucas has stated that Star Wars is between science fiction and fantasy,so why then publish all those technical journals,encyclopedias,novels in which the scince of Star Wars is explained?Trying to rationalise the technology in Star Wars(even the force through the "medichlorians")would be Lucas contradiciting himself?And while he does contradict himself,it remains undecided what his view on STar Wars is.
FACT-Star Wars movies on DVD are ranked PG-13 for SCIENCE FICTION violence.Check it yourself if you don't belive me.
Prove any one of these wrong and I'll shut my wekipedia account.
Thankyou
"FACT-People who write articles on wekipedia write the articles on their perspective of things such as history or cetain issues."
Wrong, otherwise all articles would be NPOV. Editors of Wikipedia attempt to present all perspectives and allow the reader to decide for themselves. Before you scream about us not including your opinion. Please read on.
"FACT-Majority votes do not impact the belifs of all people(otherwise they would be "majority votes" would they?it would all to nothing)Such as 1+1=2.If the majority of the world voted 1+1=5 it would not really be that way just because the majority sees it in that way.
Wikipedia is a democracy. You're fundamentally saying that the majority of people here are voting that 1+1=5 because the prequel articles have been voted through FA. And how do you know this? You sound to be more of pursuer of
truthiness than the truth itself. On Wikipedia, truth is derived from consensus.
"FACT-wekipedia is a nuetral site and respects every person's perspective of an issue,whather majority or not.If it's not doing this then it's not neutral at all."
Yes and no. There is the factor notability. The information on Wikipedia is only allowed if it is from credible source, it is not a place for your "cool ideas". As of right now, all of your opinions are original research that is not eligible.
"FACT-Star Wars has not been proven to be a true story.Wheather it happend "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" or not is unproven so there are no "facts" regarding Star Wars.Every man is free to hold their vision of the story such as the famous "Han shoots first" issue."
Yes, they are, but not every man's vision is notable enough to be written about on Wikipedia.
"FACT-When you make a general statement and contradict yourself,people cannot prove which mesage you are trying to validate.Geroge Lucas has stated that Star Wars is between science fiction and fantasy,so why then publish all those technical journals,encyclopedias,novels in which the scince of Star Wars is explained?Trying to rationalise the technology in Star Wars(even the force through the "medichlorians")would be Lucas contradiciting himself?And while he does contradict himself,it remains undecided what his view on STar Wars is."
His view on Star Wars, as he has stated in many interviews is that it is "science fantasy" or a variation that term, not science fiction. The technical journals and encyclopedias are merely another form of marketing that Lucas takes advantage (at rightfully so in my own POV). Again, this is your own original research and point of view that is not notable on it's own. If you find a source, such as newspaper article or a book dealing with issue itself, than it will become notable enough for Wikipedia. Better yet, write the book yourself.
"FACT-Star Wars movies on DVD are ranked PG-13 for SCIENCE FICTION violence.Check it yourself if you don't belive me."
I don't know what to tell you. This is probably the closest you've gotten to an actual argument for why the films should be considered science fiction. However, that is the MPAA's classification, not George Lucas'. I've never researched, but I believe that MPAA has set titles for these ratings and therefore they most likely classified it as science fiction violence because of it's setting in space and futuristic technology, not based on cinematic mythology. The Filmaker 19:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Look here,I don't portray myself to be a persuer of truth than truth itself. So just because it has a small mythology in it the whole trilogy gets dumped into the "science fantasy" box?It is star trek that has been propagated as "science fiction" because of the abuse of scientific theories by Trekkies.Check out Micheal Wong's site. http://66.39.46.41/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html He's a certified engineer and proves this propaganda about "Star Trek" being the future and helps in rationlizing the technology of Star Wars. Infact because in Star Trek,they make-up so much real sounding "science", it has been labelled as "Science fiction" in the popular media.When it contains pure magical elements portrayed to be real science.
"setting in space and futuristic technology"-(your quote) Careful with the words you use.That's what I mean when I say condradicting one's self. Your now indrectly saying that Star Wars is science fiction by using words such as "futerestic technology".As does Lucas when he rationalizes the technology of Star Wars in directors commentry on the DVDs as well as the books.
As for perspectives.Wekipedia does use words like "white superemicists" on people who do not view themselves as white supremicists at all or the history ofthe Muhajir population of Pakistan,when the writer sometimes has no idea what he/she is talking about.I have read articles on those and attempted to correct them.And yet-it's posted.This is what I mean that it's written on the writers perspective.Some of the sources themselves are opinions-mixed with un-proven facts.
I'll agree on one thing though:This is niether the time nor the place. I've got better things to do.
As for me,my statements are based on FACTS that I clearly provided.
Since wekipedia is a neutral site we can place the classification of Star Wars as science fantasy/science fiction as disputed.
LET IT END THERE Since I think neither one of us is going to back down.
My apologies to the film maker.I have been expressing my view in a sort of a "jerky" attitude.I hope I have not hurt your feelings and didn't meant to sound so personal. You can go on editing the Star Wars article as I really don't care.You'll know it's science fiction,I'll know it,Dr Micheal Wong will know it. http://66.39.46.41/toc.html Dr Curtis Auxill will know it and so on....
I still contest that Star Wars is science fiction. It does feature a "little mythology" as you stated, it was in fact based off of mythology. This "science fantasy/science fiction (disputed)" will not work as discussions are not to be carried over into articles. As of right now, I believe that you should leave the articles alone until the dispute has been settled and give the original version the benefit of the doubt especially since it has been passed the FAC. The Filmaker 02:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
No my friend,I still am sorry for being so harsh and as I stated it's against my nature to be so impolite when it is totally unecessary,but I still stand by my claim that Star Wars is science fiction.
I know the storyline is based mythology as stated in the documentry DVD but "because of it's setting in space and futuristic technology" as you said,infact makes it science fiction.
Simply by using terms as stated above,your indirectly saying Star Wars is science fiction.That contradict your first claim that it's science fantasy,which is not the same thing.
As for people writing articles on their own perspective,I also stand by that claim. As for "my cool ideas",it wasn't a very nice thing.If what I have said are "cool ideas",then you are also saying all those technical journals are "cool ideas",Dr Curtis Saxton's tehnical comentries on Star Wars are "cool ideas". http://theforce.net/swtc/
Michael WOng himself leads discussions on wekipedia on the realism of Star Trek and Star Wars. http://66.39.46.41/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html So much for his "cool ideas".
And "we wekipedians" is not appropriate .I am a PART of wekipedia as long I hold an account.I have read many articles and am not the only one to disagre with them.Why don't I give an example? The history of Pakistan,or it's or on the discrimination of it's muhajir population is biased and simply written on the author's perspective.Since I am from Pakistan,it would be a joke for you or the author who writes these incorrect articles to say that I know less about my country then the author(s). My main point is wekepdia does not contain facts on all issues.Really,autheor's here have been posting what they desire and people have a right to correct them.That's why i feel i have the right to challenge author's if articles are inaccurate. "Having heard how horrible a resource Wikipedia is for students, I decided to scope things" outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EEMeltonIV
I have already stated my arguements to you,but you refuse to accept them.So it really has fallen to what you want to except as fact,even though you know it is.
Just keep in mind,there are no facts when an event(s) in a fictional story is disputed. Star Wars is an example.
"I know the storyline is based mythology as stated in the documentry DVD but "because of it's setting in space and futuristic technology" as you said,infact makes it science fiction."
So every film or story that is set in space with futuristic technology is automatically "science fiction"? It's generalizations like this that resulted in the media originally categorizing the film series as "science fiction" they've since corrected themselves.
"Simply by using terms as stated above,your indirectly saying Star Wars is science fiction.That contradict your first claim that it's science fantasy,which is not the same thing."
You are twisting my words to make it sound as though I believe Star Wars is science fiction. I will state this now as I have many times before, I don't believe that Star Wars is science fiction.
"As for people writing articles on their own perspective,I also stand by that claim."
Than you cannot comprehend how Wikipedia editors write.
"As for "my cool ideas",it wasn't a very nice thing.If what I have said are "cool ideas",then you are also saying all those technical journals are "cool ideas",Dr Curtis Saxton's tehnical comentries on Star Wars are "cool ideas". http://theforce.net/swtc/"
"Cool ideas" was just a link to a wikipedia policy under that name. The point was that your beliefs are original research that you developed yourself, on your own. The technical commentaries are not "cool ideas" because they have a source. I'm saying your use of these technical commentaries is original research. The idea that certain technologies in Star Wars could be possible has long been discussed, it seems the same with Star Trek. However this does not qualify either series to be considered science fiction. It is the story structure and mythology behind the film. Just because a film features a knife, does not mean the film is slasher film. Genre's are categorized by their storyline, not the content itself.
"Michael WOng himself leads discussions on wekipedia on the realism of Star Trek and Star Wars. http://66.39.46.41/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html So much for his "cool ideas"."
See above, I have no problem with the references that say that the realism of Star Wars has been discussed. I'm stating that your beliefs have been based on them, however they still your own personal beliefs and are therefore original research.
"And "we wekipedians" is not appropriate .I am a PART of wekipedia as long I hold an account.I have read many articles and am not the only one to disagre with them.Why don't I give an example? The history of Pakistan,or it's or on the discrimination of it's muhajir population is biased and simply written on the author's perspective.Since I am from Pakistan,it would be a joke for you or the author who writes these incorrect articles to say that I know less about my country then the author(s). My main point is wekepdia does not contain facts on all issues.Really,autheor's here have been posting what they desire and people have a right to correct them.That's why i feel i have the right to challenge author's if articles are inaccurate. "Having heard how horrible a resource Wikipedia is for students, I decided to scope things" outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EEMeltonIV
Yes it's true that most of wikipedia is written by the editor's own perspective, and features no sources whatsoever. This is a problem, however these articles are symmetrical with the three featured articles and this fact of genre has been voted through all three times. I am unsure of when I ever referred to myself or others as "we wikipedians".
"I have already stated my arguements to you,but you refuse to accept them.So it really has fallen to what you want to except as fact,even though you know it is."
No, I contest your arguments. I do not have a problem with accepting your facts as the only facts you have shown me are some links to the fact that the realism and technology inside Star Wars has been discussed. However, your personal belief that Star Wars is science fiction has never been stated on the record by a specific source. I however could find many different sources that refer to Star Wars and "science fantasy" or variate on it.
No,Im done discussing however,if you wish to speak to me privately man to man on this,let me know and I'll give you my MSN adress.
Okay that's fine we dont have to talk.Talking live would be talking man to man rather than leaving a bunch of messages that we end up sometimes misunderstanding each other.
Star Wars being "science fantasy",I have reason to belive that you simply made up the word(technically speaking,it is a "cool idea"),with the meaning pulled out of words from scientists,but twisted to suit your meaning for the made-up word.I looked it up on 3 different dictionaries and found no meaning for the word.Really if you observe the word it sounds like an oxymoron. Just by taking a theme from a story and classying the genre of the story based on the theme is misinformative.And please by saying Star Wars is a saga rather than a universe is strongly misinfomative.All those books,spin-offs,cartoons.What were they if not Star Wars? An example have you seen "the exorcism of emily rose".Well its about a girl who dies at the hands of a priest who belived she was possessed by evil spirits,while the lawyer who prosecuted him charged that she was ill.The theme of the film is a message to the audiance what they want to beleive.Proof of this can clearly be heard in the directors commentry on the DVD version of the film as well as in the interview in the special features section.So therfor its been classified as mystery-but thats not the end of it.It contains frightening,disturbing and violent scenes,therefor its classified as mytery/horror/thriller/drama and not just as mystery. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0404032/
mythology is not always associated with fantasy.Just like the battle of troy is a mythology story,but not classified as fantasy.Harry potter is fantasy because it contains magic but its not mythology. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332452/
But I really dont care,I was just trying to inform you of the fact that Star Wars is science fiction/mythology.People dont really rely on wekipedia as they charge that articles are really written to suit the authors satisfaction and not written as matter-of-fact.
With this I close the discussion premaently.If you have a last message,leave it for me on this talk page. Thankyou -Nadirali
The first film's title is Star Wars. This is the title under which it came out, received massive popularity, was nominated for awards, and started the whole cult (and no, it doesn't matter what Lucas may have intended the title to be originally. the whole "episode" thing was more of a tongue in cheek homage before he actually got rich enough to put it into reality). When someone searches for Star Wars today, it is likely they probably mean the first one. It's only fanboys who call it "Episode IV: A New Hope". Wikipedia should redirect Star Wars to the page for "A New Hope", and the general material should be linked at the top of the page in a disambiguation.
No. The first film is not "Star Wars." It was later retitled to "A new hope." -- 66.139.11.116 00:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that the article should be retitled. When people search for "Star Wars", they are most likely searching for general information on it. If they need to go to the article about the movie, it's just one link away. I think you can reach the article without having to scroll down for the link. =] Jedi_feline | Talk 08:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
the femen of duna are not analogous to the jedi (they do not form some sort of knighthood) they are quite comparable to the tusken raiders, though —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.205.232.3 ( talk) 12:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC).
The Fremen become a religious order made up of a significant degree of mysticism and ritual whilst also exerting makor influence over the galaxy. Also Paul Muad'Dib is similar to a Jedi in his abilities and his prescience. Tuskens are disorganised animals, the Fremen are a highly civilised society. The links to the Jedi are far greater than those to the Tuskens and the most immportant link is Paul, and his abilities. (Sorry if the above is disorganised, I'm kind of tired and don't know how to sign this thing with date/time etc, sorry) Leto - 30.12.06
The Fremen are a people, not an order. Paul is not a Fremen.
Tuskens wear technologically advanced equipment to save and preserve water;
this is based on the stillsuits of the sand people in Dune.
If you want a Dune equivalent to the Jedi (ruling galaxy by mysticism etc.), it would be the Bene Gesserit
According to the Wiki page on the movie "Hardware Wars" there is a 1999 interviw with George Lucas in which he states that it is his favorite parody. Obviously not a citation to cite to wiki. Could the author of the Hardware Wars article provide the proper citation, please?
I added the info about Carrie Fisher in an SNL skit as an Annette Funicello like bikini clad girl singing "The Obi Wan Kenobi" I have the VHS of the episode at home, do I need to ref the specific episode? 69.25.108.3 12:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
it would be nice Leapster 18:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
and that is just a small part. I feel the over the past little bet this page has lost its NPOV for a more anti lucas feeling. Leapster 18:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know (according, i think, to other parts of wikipedia) Weird Al [i]didn't[/i] do the Yoda song, it just gets attributed to him. He did, however, do Star Wars - The Saga Begins, a parody of American Pie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.232.248.162 ( talk) 22:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
128.232.248.162, maybe the song you're thinking of is "Livin' La Vida Yoda" the parody of "Livin' La Vida Loca." I thought it was a Weird Al song but it's not, according to this site: http://free.house.cx/~eil/etc/notal.html Jedi_feline | Talk 08:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Before I begin my long-winded rant, to show I have credibility I will say I am a rabid Weird Al fan and own three of his albums, Bad Hair Day, Alapalooza, and Straight Outta Lynwood. Weird Al has been attributed thousands of Star Wars parodies, yet he has ONLY EVER WRITTEN TWO:
"Star Wars- The Saga Begins" From his album "Running With Scissors" (Need verification, I'm unsure if that's the right album)
"Yoda" From his album "Dare To Be Stupid"
I apologize for the redundancy, and repetitiveness (Oops, I did it again!), but I am very passionate about the misattribution of parodies to Weird Al. Praisejebus 01:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Debate is about the External Links site and whether the rules are being applied fairly. Debate arose when this web site was added to External Links: http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php
User "A Man In Black" reverted my edit where I added " Chef Elf's Nitpickers Guide to Star Wars - A controversial but amusing analysis of the Star Wars movies." User "A Man In Black" gave no reason for removing this, and has not contributed to this article before. The Chef Elf site is well known in the Star Wars community. He gives a very thorough analysis of every Star Wars movie, point-by-point and it's become a bible of sorts. I think it's an important contribution that Wiki should link to. Since "A Man In Black" seems to be a hit-and-run reverter and gave no reason, I would like to reinstate that link. Toru-chan 09:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC) I will now unrevert the change. I will edit the label to make its significance clear. Toru-chan 01:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In the books section it says that Splinter of the Mind's Eye was "very nearly" the first book dealing with the expanded universe. This implies that something else was first. Can anyone clarify? Cris Varengo 20:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
On the article of each movie of the original trilogy states that they were re-released on VHS,laserdisc and DVD.This is not true.The 1997 special editions never came to DVD.The 2004 DVD editions are different from the 1997 special editions because of many significant changes.I corrected the article,but I just wanted to let everyone understand the difference so the same mistake is not repeated again.Thanks. Nadirali نادرالی
yeah I think that EMpire was already corrected by you.I'm not sure about episode four as I haven't checked it yet.-- Nadirali نادرالی
i hope to see a new prequel trilogy box-set DVD in the market! in the mentime i believe there will be another 6 movie in one box-set HD-DVD/bluray disc.
Did they ever even come out with a six episode box set??? I've been waiting for ages, but never heard of one!!! Praisejebus 01:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
we need to question the new movies and the series New jedi order.
As reported by [ Salon] Joseph Cambell's ties to Star Wars are tenuous. If it were up to me I would remove the references to Campbell from this and related articles (such as the Darth Vader article). But people like the idea that Star Wars was intentionally modeled after Campbell's work so this is unlikely to happen... however you still might want to change the wording to acknowledge the disagreement. -- Logomachist 00:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know, Campbell's works may have been the original inspiration for "the Force." The idea of the 'force' in the original three movies very much complies with the more legendary concepts of 氣, "qi" or "chi." I don't know if Lucas had any other source of information on Oriental mythologies. If anyone has more information about this, I think it would be very enlightening, although citations would be necessary for the Wikipedia article.
A Tai-Chi teacher of many many years ago claimed that his teacher's teacher (may have been Cheng Man-ch'ing) was a consultant for George Lucas and actually provided inspiration for the Yoda character. This seems unlikely, but... Mr. Lucas might have had some contact with actual Chinese Tai-Chi/Qi-Gong master(s), and may have incorporated some characteristics. Cuvtixo 19:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is one reference - there is an entire discussion in the POwer of Myth by Campbell. This is a quote from George himself. What more proof is needed?
Lucas discusses this at great length in the official biography of Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell: A Fire in the Mind by Stephen and Robin Larsen:
I [Lucas] came to the conclusion after 'American Graffiti' that what's valuable for me is to set standards, not to show people the world the way it is...around the period of this realization...it came to me that there really was no modern use of mythology...The Western was possibly the last generically American fairy tale, telling us about our values. And once the Western disappeared, nothing has ever taken its place. In literature we were going off into science fiction...so that's when I started doing more strenuous research on fairy tales, folklore, and mythology, and I started reading Joe's books. Before that I hadn't read any of Joe's books...It was very eerie because in reading 'The Hero with a Thousand Faces' I began to realize that my first draft of 'Star Wars' was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of 'Star Wars'] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...I went on to read 'The Masks of God' and many other books (Larsen and Larsen, 2002: 541). (Anonymous)
In The Empire Strikes Back, Luke asks Yoda "But how am I to know the good side from the bad?", referring the dual sides of the Force. I believe this is the only time, in any of the films, that the "good side" of the Force is referred to. The clear connotation by most characters who use the term "the Force" is that the term refers to the "good" side by default, unless specifically qualified as the Dark Side. Dh67 19:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
What is the name of the "the Light Side"? The Dark Side has become such a significant part of Star Wars lore that it has become commonplace in pop culture. But what is the correct term for the opposite? I don't recall ever hearing that in any of the films, and my Star Wars canon knowledge is lacking - er, that is, non-existent. If anyone knows, please cite a reputable source, something that is accepted as part of the Star Wars canon. -- Bentonia School 16:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Going just by the movies, there is no "light" or "good" side. There is just the Force, of which the so-called "Dark Side" is a subset, but it does not follow that the Force has two equal and opposite halves or anything of the sort. The only character who implies otherwise at any point in the films, as mentioned above, is Luke in Empire, at a point where it's clear he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. This is my preferred picture and the only one I believe is supportable from just the movies. But it's clear that much of the "lesser" cannon is written by people who disagree. This is made especially explicit in Knights of the Old Republic. I consider this a serious wrong turn for the Star Wars franchise, but it's what's out there. PurplePlatypus 19:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if it's mentioned, there are new Star Wars stamps being made. I saw the article on MSNBC.com: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17838341/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.31.45.49 ( talk) 01:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
We should change where it says in the beginning of this article that it is one of the most successful movie franchises of all time and say it is the most successful movie franchise of all time. 20 billion dolars. Lord of the rings nor Spiderman has made nearly that much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timsgotaim ( talk • contribs) 04:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC).
You have got to be kidding me if you think that they will ever catch up. They are very big but haven't had nearly as much of a culture impact as the first trilogy. The rest of the trilogy just added to the bank.
Also note that "Episode IV: A New Hope" won 7 academy awards, which I believe no other science fiction film has achieved. (Please verify). Also, "The Empire Strikes Back" won 2 Academy Awards, and "ROTJ" with 1. What was the competition for the Awards with "Star Wars IV" and compared to the "LOTR Trilogy"? Was it about the same, or did one of them have more competition? For clarification purposes, I mean did the films have to compete with other films for the awards they received. Praisejebus 01:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270874,00.html
"And here's a little news: Lucas tells me he will make two more live-action films based in the "Star Wars" era. "But they won't have members of the Skywalker family as characters," he said. "They will be other people of that milieu." The two extra films will also be made for TV and probably be an hour long each. But, like "Clone Wars," Lucas doesn't know where on TV they will land. Hello, HBO and Showtime. It may be time to pony up." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.131.210.162 ( talk) 13:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
I think there is a rather large blindspot in the Star Wars story line that few people have discussed and is directly addressed in the dialog: Palpatine basically tells Anakin he is his father. I realize this is speculation, but I think it is pretty reasonable to ask what folks think of the theory. This may not be the place, but maybe someone can help me find a more appropriate place to move this short article?
The idea draws some intriguing parallels to the Vader vs. Luke plot; relates to the Greek mythology aspects of the Star Wars universe; and goes a long way towards explaining why Lucas would do something as controversial as including an Immaculate Conception in his script for Episode I. Read this scene closely to see what I mean:
REVENGE OF THE SITH: CORUSCANT-GALAXIES OPERA HOUSE-NIGHT
PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?
ANAKIN: No.
PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?
PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
ANAKIN: What happened to him?
PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.
ANAKIN: Is it possible to learn this power?
PALPATINE: Not from a Jedi.
Kenmikemark 18:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
It has been verified by Lucas himself and the Star Wars Timeline that Anakin was an immaculate conception, but in accordance with your theory, yes, it does sound as if Palpatine is hinting at that. Though would you not think that if anything Plagueis would be the father, as he did exist and was Palpatine's master? Praisejebus 01:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
As the article seems to be undergoing revert war of sorts right now, perhaps we should discuss the issue here before making any more changes. Given the level of detail of the plot summary, I think that a spoiler tag is justified. I don't really see a good reason not to have one, other than aesthetics, perhaps. Chunky Rice 19:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'm divin' in. Chunky Rice 16:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Who cares about a spoiler tag ... I mean like who hasn't seen the movie!!
You need the DVD to access it - does anyone know what's there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
It runs along with the DVDs (any of the six Episodes) to provide the original scripts and some other special features I can't remember. -- Addict 2006 14:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has been listed at the good article review process for possible delisting of its good article status, due to WP:MOS issues, a lead that doesn't pass WP:LEAD, citation issues, fair use images without properly detailed fair use rationales, and instability. Please assume good faith and work to improve the article. - Malkinann 07:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Unlike witches and wizards, there are lots of actual princesses.
Does anyone think that we need the Feature Film:Television Rights section? I can't figure out in what way it's notable information.
Also, the Scripts section doesn't seem to be about the script at all. The section either needs a major re-write or at least a renaming.
Anybody agree? Disagree? Chunky Rice 21:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
i tend toward the stance of letting things stand unless there is a good reason to remove them. it's not particularly wise to try to predict why people come to wikipedia, or what information they are looking for. better than just getting rid of it because it is allegedly "non-notable", how would the article be improved by removing it? Whateley23 01:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
User IP address 66.51.146.251 is located in Farmington, Michigan at the Public Library. User's Contribution page shows multiple vandalization's. -- Coldbourne 19:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Got rid of the ridiculous Wagner reference. It was quasi-relevant, not particularly helpful and had an air of simply being included to namedrop Wagner. If someone wants to add the reference back then please use a more apt example, like another filmmaker or film series at the very least. Cellscape 13:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone added or changed the film information to tack on three more films. I don't know of their existence or what have you, so I simply added cite requests for them and a future movie tag. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers. =) -- koder 02:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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In the "Plot" section, right after it sums up Episodes I, II, and III, it says "Star Wars is very cool to get into." This is an opinion and completely unrelated to the section that it is found in, so I tried to delete it. The problem is, it doesn't show up on any of the Edit pages. If this problem is fixable, it needs to be fixed. CommonWikian 07:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Per the new resolution at Wikipedia:Featured topic criteria, the Star Wars featured topic will be eligible for removal after 1 January 2008 if a satisfactory GA or FA level lead article (presumably Star Wars) is not found. See also Wikipedia talk:Featured topic candidates#Star Wars lead article. Thanks.-- Pharos 03:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Why not change the genre from 'sceince fantsy' to space opera.It's a more suitable word as far as I can see and as seen per the content of the films and descriptions from sources.
Also take a look at these. [6] [7] [8].
Can I please have an opinion on this? Thanks.- Vmrgrsergr 20:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
PS-the space opera defination also mentions romance-thats what we see in both trilogies with anikin and padme' in the first and princess liea and han solo in the second.I think this is just the right word for the genre.Thanks.- Vmrgrsergr 20:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has undergone some recent vandalism. If you read the second-to-last edit, you will notice that the first line contains something about "like to poop". Obviously, the article's first section was completely re-written by an amateur at that point, as I can spot at least a dozen mistakes that particular Wikipedian made. I'm not sure of the style of Wikipedia, but I don't really believe that credits should come before a bried introduction as to what Star Wars is all about. Besides, the image of Star Wars (svg as it may be) is gone, regardless of whether it was meant to be rasterized at low-res or not. I thought that image was essential to the article. Although I am helpless at Wikipedia formatting, I hope that someone will help either to revert or to rewrite the first section of the article. I don't dare to do it myself, in case someone gets mad. Danny Sepley 04:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't alive when "Star Wars" came out, but I do know from my father who saw it back in 1977 when it came out(he was eleven at the time) and when i got my copy of the Unenhanced versions, I watched the Obi-Wan VS Vader scene and remember from the original trailer for Star Wars that I saw online that there was no color in the lightsabers, and the version I bought put the lightsabers in full color!It even looked like new!I asked my father if there was color in the lightsabers in the original version he saw in theaters back in 1977, and he said no. I also saw some other things that looked relatively new, which proves that they're not really "Original".
All Rights go to the 20 Century Fox Film Cooperation,
Lucasfilm Ltd,
And George Lucas.
Vaderman426
17:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
A search for "Star Wars Toys" redirects to this article, which makes ZERO mention of any of the toy lines. Either some mention needs to be made, or a separate article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.78.11 ( talk) 22:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Originally prodded with the summary "It's small enough that it could fit in the Star Wars series article and serve to improve that one rather than splitting them apart and making inferior articles." by User:A Link to the Past. No opinion myself. Will ( talk) 17:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Star Wars Galaxies appears to have come under attack from vandals. it's hard to tell which edits are legitimate and which are vandalism. some help would be appreciated. thanks. -- Steve, Sm8900 00:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
At the moment, the first mention of Leia is 1/3 of the way down in a parenthetical statement; and not one of the four or five mentions of Leia is a link to Princess Leia. And the first mention of Han Solo is 3/4 of the way down in the Parodies section! These are principal characters in the original trilogy and need to be mentioned much earlier, either in the Plot section or a new section specifically glossing the characters. -- Tysto 03:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
After messing around on Microsoft Word a bit, I found that merging the Battlfront and KotOR pages into series articles, keeping only notable information, can be done with extreme ease. I'm already done with the Battlefront series and half way through the KotOR series, but I thought I'd give you all a heads up before going ahead and merging/redirecting. A week to discuss should be more than enough time for you guys to talk about whether this is a good idea or not.
As a little note, I'm grounded and can't get on the computer often, so asking me questions here would be pointless (unless you can wait until next Saturday for me to answer them). However, my parents, for one reason or another, let me check my email from time to time, so questions can be asked there. Still, like I said, I'm grounded, so a response might take about 24 or so hours. My email address can be found on my user page. That being said, see you again in a week! // DecaimientoPoético 17:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
First of all,I KOW my uncle is not a reliable sourcebut he seems to think lucas found a very old book,called star wars,which was so long it went hundreds of years before and after 1-v1.He describes the original author as alienated for having wrote the book in,I believe,the late 1600's.I dont necessarily believe this,but I just wanted to know if anyone had ver heard of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.12.81 ( talk) 15:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but whatever is 1-v1?? Praisejebus 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know what order Lucas thinks the hexology should be viewed (original or prequel first)? This could be significant info for parents or older siblings wanting to introduce the new generations to Star Wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 ( talk) 03:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the text "though recently the Harry Potter franchise, with still two films left, surpassed Star Wars with earnings totaled at US$4.47billion." from the end of the summary text because it doesn't seem relevant to me. The sentence as it shows now states that the Star Wars franchise is "one of" the most successful franchises and IMHO it should be left at that.
I checked the discussion page first but didn't see it mentioned, so I went ahead and deleted it. If anybody has an issue with that, please bring it up here. STLocutus ( talk) 15:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
added Redirects at SWBF1 SWBF 1 These are common search terms hat mean Star Wars Battlefront 1.
Added star Wars disambiguation link at the top, please tell me if there are any problems with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stealth500 ( talk • contribs) 02:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
-- Stealth500! 03:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Article says box office revenue is 4.3 bil, while the infobox says gross revenue is 6.6 bil. What is the difference? the 6.6 should appear somewhere in the article (sourced) and be explained (perhaps right next to the 4.3) TheHYPO ( talk) 02:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Also, it says Star Wars has made 6.6 billion dollars total, making it ONE of the most financially successful franchises of all time. What's number one? Jaws? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.197.197 ( talk) 13:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe James Bond but not Harry Potter, it's too new. Feral Mind ( talk) 01:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
>>Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are the same person, in different states of mind
This note from the apperance table seems like a poor wording for wikipedia. There is no way to assess a characters "state of mind". The characters should either be combined into one row on the table, or a clearer wording should be used, but as they are the same character, and he appears as both vader and outside his suit in two of the films, they should simply be one row, one character.
Frankly, I think the whole table thing is stupid and pointless - who needs a table of apperances? To see a character's appearances, one can check the characters' pages. A better route, IMO would be a bolded linked-name with a brief description and perhaps mentioning which films the characters appear in. TheHYPO ( talk) 19:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I have undertaken to clean up this article because it really needed it: this is a permanent link to the edit prior to my cleanup, for reference to what was deleted.
I think the main problem is that this article is billed on the topic of "Star Wars" as a media franchise, yet 80% of the article is a history of the films. Articles already exist for Star Wars original trilogy and Star Wars prequel trilogy. Those articles are the perfect place for information about the scripts (info about the scripts of each film should really be in the film's article, while info about each trilogy as a whole could go in those articles.)
I really WANT to kill the script info here because it's general broken down film by film (or at least between the two trilogies) - it should go in the films' articles, or in the trilogy articles, but it's all fairly well sourced so I didn't want to kill it outright - but I think it needs rewriting to be a little more neutral, better gramatically, and more concise.
Looking at those trilogy articles, I see they are in a terrible state. I think the best thing to be done would be to "merge" them both into another article called Star Wars films for all the info on all six films as a whole (as opposed to info about the films individually) - such as group DVD releases, etc. I see now that the trilogy articles are quite baron. They should not contain bare lists of characters and cast and locations as such (cast lists should be relegated to the individual films), and synopses as large as the ones in those articles should also be left for the individual films. I propose that the info that was previously on this article be (properly sourced) moved to an article like Star Wars films, and the trilogy articles be merged into that article (which could have a division for each of the two trilogies).
Then, this article can have a very short "Star Wars films" section, with a {{ main}} template pointing to the main article, and this page being merely a coinduit to point readers to all the different facets of the Star Wars franchise, which is what this article purports to be TheHYPO ( talk) 13:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I am not registered to edit the article, but would like to suggest changing this reference (and the stub it leads to) to "virgin birth". The confusion stems from a South Park episode and should not be encouraged by Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.175.98 ( talk) 06:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a very large absence of pictures on this article. There are tons, why arent they on the page?-- Royalmate1 ( talk) 03:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a collection of Star Wars related stories that the TIME Archives put together, and that could be placed in the External Links section. The Collection could provide context and more resources for those users who wish to expand their research. [9] -- Kevindkeogh ( talk) 19:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we talk about Star Wars' prodigious impact on pop culture in the opening paragraph?
I mean seriously. Badboysbadoyswhatugonnado ([[User talk:|talk]]) 18:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
okay but how would "having a prodigious impact on pop culture" infringe on neutrality? Hell, "prodigious" actually belittles Star Wars' impact. I mean really, it's an unarguably, undisputable fact that Star Wars has had an immense, tremendous impact on popular culture. Some catch phrases have entered everyday language. Badboysbadoyswhatugonnado ([[User talk:|talk]]) 04:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I think this artical should be re-nominated for good artical Poohman0 ( talk) 01:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Star Wars/FA has more information, please post comments there. Stealth ( talk) 01:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking that 120 gaems was an awful lot..... I then checked the Wikipedia Page List of Star Wars video games and I counted 91.... Can someone verify this from an outside source? If not lets remove this comment... Stealth ( talk) 11:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This sentence, from the Literature section is incorrect:
LucasBooks radically changed the face of the Star Wars universe with the introduction of the New Jedi Order series written by written by Jude Watson, which takes place some 20 years after Return of the Jedi and stars a host of new characters alongside series originals.
Jude Watson did not write any books in the NJO series. It was written by a group of authors: R.A. Salvatore, Michael A. Stackpole, James Luceno, Kathy Tyers, Troy Denning, Greg Keyes, Elaine Cunningham, Aaron Allston, Matthew Stover, Walter Jon Williams, Shane Dix, and Sean Williams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.22.118 ( talk) 15:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It merely states that the INTRODUCTION of the NJO was writted by Jude Watson. It does not claim that the said author wrote every NJO book. Bassplaya ( talk) 12:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I'm doing this in bits: I'll check the images first, then look at the prose.
Red is needed for me to pass the GA, green is suggested, but not vitally required.
I don't think there should be a picture of Tatooine because Tatooine, as important as it is, isn't the MAIN plot. Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 22:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC))
Well, Alright. But did you put a pic of Tatooine animals on the list of minor starwars characters? Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 16:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC))
I know. But someone put an image of Tatooine on list of minor Star Wars characters page, and we all know that it doesn't belong there. Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 23:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC))
I would like to suggest the star wars film series article be... basically deleted. Everything it contains is available elsewhere: the films are synopsized equally thoroughly in this article, and the reception/criticism of the films are better left for each film's article, and not one big article.
The list of planets and characters already have their own pages, and are fairly trivial lists that don't belong in the body of that kind of article. I'd also be open to suggestions on how the film article could be improved to actually contain different information from this article, and not just lists that don't belong in the body of an article. TheHYPO ( talk) 18:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I know it was semi-recently reordered, but I'd like to suggest that the article would be better ordered if the "setting" and then "feature films" section were moved up above the History; The FF section provides and overview to what the films actually ARE (both plot wise, and things like how many films there were, when they came out, the relationship between the OT and the prequel trilogy, etc.) Putting the History section first explains to the reader the history of a film series they don't know anything about. The history section describes in depth how some of the characters and plot element changed between script drafts, but the reader hasn't read the overview of film series which would explain to the reader the characers and plot BEFORE they read the history of how that plot came to be final. TheHYPO ( talk) 19:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It's annoying, but does anyone want to give a hand converting the "Secret History" citations from the old (either v1 or v2, I'm not sure) page numbers to the proper page numbers in the current version 3? Most of the citations are no longer accurate. The ones I came across in my edits, I corrected and changed the reference to v3.0
You don't have to do them all, but if anyone has time to do a couple, it could probably get cleaned up fairly quickly. TheHYPO ( talk) 20:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The only thing I haven't merged in the agree upon merge is the "critisism/reception" section. The section exists in history here
I believe that there is no real cohesion in this section that makes it about the series as a whole: it merely says "the first film was received [blah]. Empire was received [blah]. Critics hailed Jedi as [blah]." etc. Each movie is separately discussed. As such, anything there that is not already in each film's own article should be added to the films' article. Aid in checking that and carrying it out would be appreciated. TheHYPO ( talk) 06:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
First off, this is not "Critical" reception. This is public internet voting. Critical reception generally indicates reception by CRITICS. Second, is a table of random internet fan polling sites something that is appropriate for the space it takes up? I'm undecided. I can see ups and downs to its existance. Thoughts? TheHYPO ( talk) 05:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
There's still a problem with using Rotten Tomatoes. These reviews include modern reviews, which tend to romanticize the original films and give higher marks after having the hindsight to see the films' lasting power. Reviews at the time of the release of the three original films tended to be less favorable than they are now. For example, Siskel & Ebert gave Star Wars a 'thumbs down' at the time, and revised later. However, I believe Rotten Tomatoes has put together a more accurate % that reflects reviews at the time of release for those films. That's the figure you should really be using.-- Daniel ( talk) 15:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised that there isn't any section on the toys! Let's work together and make it. :) 142.166.200.246 ( talk) 15:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Right now the two Ewok films are listed as "direct to video". However, I seem to recall these were made-for-television movies when they first came out.-- Daniel ( talk) 15:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone add information about the RPG game for star wars, as it is not mentioned 207.172.250.247 ( talk) 04:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reddevil
There have been a few edits flying around regarding this. While I hear your arguments, I read in the
game/
campaign articles (one of the two) that the video game itself is seventh-generation, because it was made for the newest platforms and uses DMM, Euphoria .etc. I don’t know how true this is – but I’m sure you will agree, we can’t have one article using next-gen and another using seventh-gen; the articles must be consistent. Also, a phrase such as next-gen may apply now, but in a few years it won’t – so what are you going to call it then?
If the game turns out to belong to a different gen altogether, I’ll back down – but as it is, next-gen isn’t suitable, and all evidence suggests the game is seventh-gen.
TheMoridian
15:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there any citation that says that Reagan's "Evil Empire" reference is actually a reference to Star Wars? Just because they use the same term doesn't mean that's what he was referring to. This seems to be smack of fanboys. Mrmcgibby ( talk) 23:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
It's very awkward to mention how much of a legacy Star Wars has and then show 60% ratings from Rotten Tomatoes. Rotten Tomatoes is not the definition of critical reception, and neither is Metacritic. It's also weird to only have ratings from two websites under the critical reception section, and nothing else. I think we should either expand the section, preferably adding some details and snippets from reviews of certain things that seem to be liked/disliked, or remove the section entirely. As it is, the critical reception section is far to narrow-minded for such a big franchise. — Nova Dog — ( contribs) 03:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I started the critical reception table because all articles about franchises and film series seem to have them. So I created the table and it's been throughout the last few months discussed. But I agree with you. I'll find more! Christianster45 01:27, 09 September 2008 (UTC)
The first film in the franchise was simply titled Star Wars, but later had the subtitle Episode IV: A New Hope added. . .
I tried verifying this on my own before challenging it, but have had no success. If the subtitle was not part of the original release, there should be a reliable source that can verify this somewhere. The only sources offered at present merely point to other articles here, which also fail to cite a proper source. If the claim isn't verified, it doesn't belong in a Good Article. -- James26 ( talk) 07:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
If Star Wars: The Clone Wars is on the critical reception chart, then how come it's not on the box office chart. The new movie isn't part of the original trilogy nor part of the prequel trilogy, but it could because it takes place between II and III, but a trilogy means three and now there are four theatrical Star Wars taking place before the original trilogy. Either we leave on the critical reception table or take off or/and place on the box office chart. Because it is now a theaterical Star Wars movie. We must do something NOW so that this can remain a good article. Christianster45 01:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
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I'm suprised that this very comprehensive article has no section devoted to Star Wars Criticism. I'm sure most wikipedians (like myself) love Star Wars, but there are some substantial negatives that could be included in this article to create a more neutral POV. Excessive marketing/merchandizing and LucasFilm profit motivations (video game and action figure sales, numerous re-releases, ect), racial stereotypes and sexism, moral simplicity, and possible negative impacts on the movie industry are all reasonable criticisms that have been directed towards the films and expanded universe. Although some of these are addressed in individual articles I believe there should be a section for general critique in the main article. Any thoughts?
SimonSayz 19:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Good idea, as long as the criticisms are adequately sourced. CuriousCat 13:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
"Racial stereotypes and sexism" and "profit motivations" will likely lead you down a path toward POV. As for the latter, I'm confused by this need to paint Lucas as a money-grubber for trying to milk the cash cow. Not that it's right, wrong or in-between, but why is this so often pinned on Lucas while turning a blind eye to the rest of, well, anyone in the business world? At least Lucas has something to show for it: the expansion of his business (not personal) empire. The racial stereotypes have been put to bed a long time ago. A passing mention might be included, but I'm against anything that welcomes a host of Lucas-bashing onto this page. I'm no apologist, but he's a pretty broad target, and people tend to go overboard. PacificBoy 20:57, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Are there any good references, books, etc, for the article? (Verifiably, etc) -- AllyUnion (talk) 19:42, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I have removed the "Main film locations" section. These locations are accessible through the individual film pages and not needed here. The article needs to get shorter, and removing lists like this one completely also prevents people from adding their favorite location. Similarly, I have cut the main characters quite a lot. I hope it won't grow too much again. Kusma (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I have cut the Box office performance section and put it below. My reasoning is as follows:
A table about this issue would have to be more detailed, and would then be confusing, so I just cut it as part of my recent cutting spree. Kusma (talk) 03:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
The worldwide box office grosses of each trilogy parallel each other. The first episode of each trilogy generated the highest box office gross, while the middle episode of each trilogy generated the lowest box office gross (without adjustment for inflation). Although the films of the prequel trilogy had higher worldwide box office grosses than the films of the original trilogy, the reverse is true if the figures are properly adjusted for inflation.
No. | Title | Year | Budget (and 2005 equivalent) | Worldwide gross (and 2005 equivalent) |
---|---|---|---|---|
I | The Phantom Menace | 1999 | $115,000,000 ($131,000,000) | $922,379,000 ($1,052,000,000) |
II | Attack of the Clones | 2002 | $120,000,000 ($128,000,000) | $648,200,000 ($692,000,000) |
III | Revenge of the Sith | 2005 | $113,000,000 ($113,000,000) | $847,262,555 ($848,400,000) |
IV | A New Hope | 1977 | $11,000,000 ($36,000,000) | $797,900,000 ($2,589,000,000) |
V | The Empire Strikes Back | 1980 | $18,000,000 ($46,000,000) | $533,800,000 ($1,356,000,000) |
VI | Return of the Jedi | 1983 | $32,500,000 ($62,000,000) | $572,700,000 ($1,094,000,000) |
What do you think? E Pluribus Anthony 19:35, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
i say one article... its too confusing having two... lol. you could just take the anakin article, then put it right before the vader article and merge them together into one 70.57.199.16 02:33, 2 February 2006 (UTC)starwarsnerd
Well, seeing as how they are the SAME PERSON, I'd say do one article. MasterXiam 15:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
How about moving this section in its entirety to List of changes in Star Wars re-releases and renaming that page to Changes in Star Wars re-releases or simply Star Wars re-releases? The main Star Wars page could only keep a short paragraph like
Cutting this section would (I guess) get the page under the magic 32k limit (the Influences and Conception parts could still use some cutting, though). Kusma (討論) 03:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Wasn't the film released in 1977 actually called Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope and just marketed as Star Wars? Later on, when the Special Edition was released, wasn't it just remarketed under its original correct title? This should be relected in the article. --9 June 2006 Champaign IL
The current WP article on this topic is found at midi-clorians (sic) at the insistence of a user with an early edition of the novelization of The Phantom Menace where the word is supposedly spelled that way. Requesting input in the discussion over what is actually the canonical spelling. Thank you. Rcharman 21:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
im pretty sure its midi-chlorians, and what about commlink? or is it comlink? Starwarsnerd 02:42, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
I think that there should be a new section on the general reception of the films. I think that information on the box office earnings needs to be merged into that section. The Wookieepedian 13:19, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I have just deleted this section, because it seems to be unmanageable. It always grows because people add their favorite character or disagree who is indeed major. It also doesn't really seem to be needed in this overview article (the really major people are mentioned in the plot outline anyway). Kusma (討論) 00:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
Changed classical music to romantic music in the intro and in a couple places in the Music section. If you would like to know why, listen to some Bach(classical period) then Wagner(romantic period) then Williams' original Star Wars music, and you will see which one doesn't belong. In this I wish to promote a more accurate definiton of "classical" and "romantic" music, instead of grouping together all orchestral music as "classical."
I am open to criticism though, so please respond. -- Zaorish 04:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm a little peeved about the statement that the score for Star Wars brought Williams "international recognition." Jaws not only won the man his (second) Oscar, its theme music is arguably more well-known than that of Star Wars. PacificBoy 23:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:External links, I deleted a lot of the external links that, while related to Star Wars, were really of limited interest. If someone is unfamiliar with Star Wars and is looking it up in Wikipedia, they probably don't care about fanfiction, re-enactment by bunnies, or other minutiae. tregoweth 00:57, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Were the imperials like this? You could tell that there's rarely any people of non Anglo-Saxon desent that serve the imperial military.Is this due to that racist humans from star Wars also hated non-white humans as well as hating aliens, or the lack of non-white humans.Answer please.Thanks.
The predominantly white representation is on both the "rebel" and "imperial" side, the reason is? The films were shot primarily in England which has a very low population of ethnic groups other than "Anglo-Saxon" and as such very few Actors who are not white.
The Concept of the empire being "racist" is largly a fan creation, it is very minimumly seen in the films, there are only 5 NON humans seen serving with the rebels, as opposed to 3 serving the empire, and sporaticly menchioned in a few of the EU books.
Well, we can have it either way, both represents a uniform set of posters. We have the original theatrical posters, or the posters all done by the same artist. Either choice would be uniform. It's just that I feel that original releases should be represented. The Wookieepedian 19:22, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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Here's a weird fact. Just now watched Kind Hearts and Coronets, and between 53 and 54 minutes in, Alec Guinness, playing this time the somewhat demented rector of the church, after both had been drinking, says to Dennis Price, "My Lord, the Port is with you." I had to listen to this three times to get the wording right.
This is eerily close to Obi-Wan Kenobi's comment to Luke Skywalker in Star Wars, "Luke, the Force is with you." One wonders if it is not deliberate. Does it deserve mention in Kind Hearts and Coronets or the Star Wars or the Alec Guinness article? I don't know. Bill Jefferys 02:55, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah? Well. Anyways, are you sure it's meanin' a thing equal of the 'spritual entity' the Force is, or just some "the Port" as an object or a place of people or an organization? Coincidences happen ;)-- OleMurder 16:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Someone find a better pic of the posters for the original trilogy. The Special Edition ones suck. Take pics of these ones.
Star Wars- [1] Empire- [2] Jedi- [3] 68.148.12.214 23:16, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
star wars set in?
Pece Kocovski 11:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I started a Star Wars wikiproject proposal. Here is the proposal. Deckiller 00:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
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Metallifan
16:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
-- BLACK DEATH 15:16, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Dr. Mahongany 16:21, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
User:Deckiller/WikiProject Star Wars - I'll try to get it up and going officially tonight or tomorrow. Deckiller 23:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Recently, some users have commented about whether stuff about Nazi Germany should be included in discussions of the Empire. My response - relax. Don't get so uptight about the comparison...
Himmler. Gothic Lolita. neener neener. Nuff said. And, besides, the Emperor DID commit genocide. Alderaan, remember? — Rickyrab | Talk 06:29, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
"Star Wars: The Magic of Myth," the Smithsonian exhibit, makes much of the comparisons to, if not the Holocaust, then at least Nazism. The fascist soldiers are, after all, called stormtroopers. PacificBoy 21:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Is Bigfoot a Wookiee? Some campers heard Bigfoot one night going "GAAAAAA" and "UUUUUUUH". — Rickyrab | Talk 06:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Updated the music section to give John Williams credit for some of his better known stuff than "South Park" and "Ghost Recon Six" both of which I have found no evidence to back up. There isn't even a game titled "Ghost Recon Six".
DarthChucks 21:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I suspect "Ghost Recon Six" is a confused intermingling of the computer games "Ghost Recon" and "Rainbow Six", which were produced by the same programming team and are relatively similar in content and style. However, John Williams has nothing to do with either game; the music for both was done by Bill Brown. He's sometimes called "the John Williams of computer games", though. -- JaceCady 04:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
There Is Also A Religeon Based Off This Movie. Should That Be Mentioned?
Its A Legally Licensed Religion
http://www.jedichurch.com/5932/home/home.html
Apparently, the bottom corner of the picture on the Star Wars main article ( click here) should say "Digitally Mastered" for the THX logo. The picture says "Digiforce mastered". I own the 2004 DVDs (widescreen by the way), and it doesn't say "Digiforce" but really "Digitally mastered".
I would have to agree that it should be added. Maybe in a Triva section or in a page of the like. But I never knew that before right now, and it's information like the ladder that makes me come to this site so often. 64.231.8.232 11:22, 29 April 2006 (UTC) Elisa Ardell (lledra)
Nice article. But I think the fan-film section should be trimmed down, at least, the two notable films should be removed, I think there is way too much emphasis on the fanmade films in the article.
Also, the cultural influence section is far too short for something as huge as Star Wars. Don't know what you could write, but I was a little suprised by how short it was. I was looking through flickr and thought this could be useful, [4] in representing the popularity of Star Wars to an extent. The uploader tagged it with a commons license, so if that would look nice, someone might want to add it. Cheers. Cvene64 03:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
IMO, if we can get this to featured quality, it should be featured on May 25, 2007. The Wookieepedian 22:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Don't be so reductionist. It's possible to handle Star Wars articles (or any fictional articles, for that matter) from an out-of-universe perspective, by focusing on placing fictional elements in a real-world context. (Even if it never gets policy-fied, User:BrianSmithson/Writing about fiction is worth a read.) In this case, I don't see any section that falls into the trap of being too in-universe, unlike, say, Palpatine. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 05:31, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
The sections after the feature films disappeared. Where'd it go? Ollie the Magic Skater 01:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully no one will mind if I remove the tag "V0.5|class=GA|category=Socsci", as it seems to block the article's inclusion into the Wikifilm Project's GA category. -- P-Chan 00:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I readded it because it's important, thanks Jaranda wat's sup 04:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I note that the link to Wookieepedia is now via the corresponding template. Some would argue that this is less usable, but other find duplication irritating. It is a matter of judgement... Also: because the pattern is not simply using Template:wikia, new users who know about Wikia will not immediately recognize that the Star Wars Wikia and Wookipedia are the same. They will figure it out soon enough, but it is not obvious. -- 67.121.112.202 00:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone else believe the rumours that Lucas is making even more changes to both trilogies for the upcoming Saga box set. I've heard rumours that he's filming new scenes for A New Hope portraying the Emperor dissolving the Senate and Bail Organa's last moments on Alderaan before the Death Star destroys. More A New Hope rumours include a scene with Darth Vader returning to Coruscant at the end to visit the Emperor and his duel with Obi-Wan more CGI. As for The Empire Striked Back will 've heard he will replace the Yoda puppet with a CGI Yoda to make him look more consistent and another revision of the scene between the Emperor and Darth Vader on the Executor. And also more Battle of Hoth scenes.
As for the Prequels? I'd say for Attack Of The Clones Lucas should re-insert the raid on the Droid Control Ship. For Revenge Of The Sith put back in the rebellion scenes (makes sense to see Mon Mothma in her early years and the birth of the resistence that opposes the Emperor on such a large scale in the original triology) and Yoda landing on Dagobah.
I can definitely see ROTS extended a lot. However, the whole point of CG Yoda was to make him closer to Oz's puppet: the replacement will be in TPM.
Expect anything and any changed:
"Lucas on B&W films "Classic films should not be altered from thier original format, adding color is altering the original art. Films should remain as they were originaly released so as to preserve thier artisit statement"
Clearly he changed his mind he may have changed his mind about a great many things.
See title. Ollie the Magic Skater 02:33, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Why isn't the seventh film mentioned? "Star Wars Episode Zero: Balance of the Force" is already in the make with minor computer-FX job. Between Darth Plaguesis and young Kvi-Gong, you'll understand the dark and light sides of the force are not that strictly separated. You will learn why Anakin came to be. By the end you will know why making of ep7-9 is inevitable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.70.32.136 ( talk • contribs)
Yes please read the above link. It also sounds like a fan film or the comment at least sounds like a promotion of a fan film, which I wouldn't doubt. -- Tenric 20:41, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
I see Clone Wars and Knights being cited a lot by fans. I'm wondering if they are G-Canon, considering Lucas did involve himself lightly in the former. Wiki-newbie 12:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
"Some people also consider that Darth Vader's appearance is similar to the Ice Warriors from long running SCI-FI series Doctor Who, this is due to the fact that the Ice Warriors share a similar dome shaped helmet and also the same voice patterns when they breathe. This is also coupled with the fact that the Ice Warriors were introduced into the show in 1967, the same time when Lucas was designing Star Wars"
Gotta say, I don't know where to begin dismantling this. 1) Any resemblance between Vader and the Ice Warriors is extremely tenuous at best; 2) Star Wars wasn't a glint in Lucas' eye in 1967; 3) Dr. Who wasn't shown in the US until the late 1970s; 4) Vader's appearance was primarily based on samurai helmet, fine-tuned at Lucas' suggestion by Ralph McQuarrie.
Finally, again, WHO ARE "SOME PEOPLE"???
I'm deleting it.
PacificBoy 23:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
The original trilogy and the prequel trilogy are two different trilogies and I think they should be listed as such, instead of listing the movies in chronological order.
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This is official, and not some rumor! George Lucas said it himself.
Take a look at this! Warning: This spoils the whole plot outline of the films!
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode7/plot.html
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode8/plot.html
http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/episode9/plot.html
I hope they make them... Aero Flame 12:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Very old fan-fiction I believe. Wiki-newbie 12:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Supershadow is a fake. When I first saw it I thought it was real too, but it's nothing but a lie. So please do not put it on the page. A7X 900 19:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
star trek and star wars Whenever I look either Star trek or Star wars on the wekipedia,it labels Star trek as "science fiction" and Star Wars as "science fantesy". This is absoloutly absurd. Infact,wekipedia has got the two switched.
The elements used in Star Trek are pure fantesy such as time travel,a god-like being known as Q who has unlimited abilities,teleportation,weapons that can send planets milions of years into the past,seazing them from existence or weapons that can destroy matter(which directly goes against the laws of physics). Take anyone of these elements and each rules out the concept of Star Trek being science fiction.
Star Wars on the other hand has none of these elements. Infact,Star Wars carries none of the false elements used in Star Trek. In Star Wars they have used technology of which a few are available today and technical terms borrowed from real life technology such as "laser" or "proton" whereas in Star Trek,fictional words have been created to sound like real life words such as "phaser"(to replace laser). Some technology used in Star Wars is being used today such as robots,though not as sophisticated. Laser guns are used today to cut through metal(also used in Star Wars) but obviously unable to have rappid fire. Bacically most of the technology in Star Wars today is non-existent,but each still carries a sceintific theory behind it just as the theory of flight existed long before humans took to the skies.
Regarding the "force" which has been the main contribution into classyfying Star Wars as "science fantesy",people who have followed the Star Wars saga should know that this energy field is generated by by mediclaurians(a fictional term,but with explanation).
The organisms in the Star Wars universe possess these microscopic life-forms in their system that allow them to conduct the energy known as "the force". It basically reflects on scince inour world. For example,why are electric eels able to produce electricity around their body while sharks are not?The answer is their bodies are equipped with capacitors as oppossed to sharks.In the same way,the users of the force(both and Jedi and Sith)are contained with enough medichlorians to produce enough energy waves to push around heavy objects.
The simple reason it's been classified as "science fantesy" as oppossed to Star Trek is it lacks in scientific terms whereas Star Trek is filled with made-up scientific(or so-called "scientific terms"). Most of the technology used in Star Wars may not be available today or probably even centuries from now,but to say Star Trek is "more realistic" than Star Wars is pure ignorance. Nadirali 03:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
If this is just about improving articles,then why are people just opening topics on Star Wars randomly? And how can Star Trek be considered scientific? Man in block has made the general statement without even explaining it.
I don't want to sound too agressive here,but people are ignoring the points I made aobut Star Trek being fantasy compared to SW. Read them before you answer. And as for posting random articles on the subject of Star Wars:if everyone can do it then so can I.
Thanks for the warm words Darthgliz
Before I start,I apologise for being so naggy on the subject of Star Wars being more scientific than Star Trek,but I seem to have made an interesting connection between math and physics,although sceintists and mathamatitions know this already,it is new to me.
Back to the subject of reducing matter into vacume(or absoloutely nothing but empty space)with the help of anti-matter as theorized in Star Trek is a physical/mathamatical impossibility.
I will now prove my theory:
In Star Trek,matter is reduced to nothing by a phaser weapon armed with "anti-matter". In sceince,according to Einstien,matter can be transformed into energy,but if Im not mistaken,that's quite different from reducing matter to vacume.
This physical impossibility can be translated into the math formula: X is any random number you want to choose,wheather decimal or whole number.
X/0 = error. Try it on a calculator and substitute X by any number you desire.
Now coming to back that Star Trek theory of reducing matter to vacume using the "anti-matter" phaser weapon,we can apply the formula.
X is the number of the solid object(s). 0 is the "anti-matter" the phaser weapon is armed with because as we all know zero is nothing. You try to reduce the number of the solid object(s) using nothing into nothing and the formula shows it's a physical/mathamatical impossibility.
Correct me if Im wrong because Im not the best student in science or math. My basic point is numbers are there to reperesent anything from distance to solid objects.By dividing numbers(except in the use of 0),you can never get an answer of zero in division.Basically,keep braking down matter,and you find you can never reduce it to nothing. If anyone wants to make a comment please do so.Just do not accusse me of turning this Star Wars discussion into a science lecture as discussing the science of Star Wars is talking about a part of Star Wars itself. Nadirali 20:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Nadirali
In Star Wars: Episode V; we learn that Darth Vader is Luke's father. Is it possible that the name Vader connects with the German word for father; Vater? The two are very similar, with Vater meaning father, and Darth Vader being Luke's father. Ponder that.
Shouldn't this article (and it's related articles) have an infobox? I'm thinking something like found on.... well.... Star Trek, or even at Template:Christianity. Jhamez84 23:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I am adressing the Film maker regarding the editing those articles on Star Wars.
You may like calling Star Wars science fantasy,but due to the reasons that Star Wars contains none of the fantasy elements that STar Trek does it would be invalid to do so. Your opinion is giving me the hint that you are a Trekkie.I have already argues with my fellow Star Wars fans and other Trekies about this topic(check the articles written above)
So it's been voted as "sceince fantasy" regarding the so-called "prequel trilogy".But that's a seperate trilogy all together.I am only speaking of the originals. First off,where did you get this word?I checked 3 online dictionaries for this word and found nothing.Did you make up this word by any chance? And second,your article states that it's a saga.Star Wars is more than just a saga.It's an entire universe,ocnsisted of the saga,spin-offs,novels comics etc.
If you have viwed any of the actual Star Wars movies on DVD,they are rated PG-13 for SCIENCE FICTION violence.
If Mr Lucas would like it to be known as "science fantasy",then his company should stop producing the technical journals,the technical encyclopedias or anything that tries to rationlize the technology of Star Wars.
Please understand that I have already discussed the realism of Star Wars as compared to star trek.Star Trek has been proven to be fantasy by engineer Micheal Wong as well as explained the science of Star Wars(visit his site http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html) ,whereas the technical commentries of STar Wars are written by Dr Curtis Auxtin who has a PHD in astrophysics.
Star Wars is SCIENCE FICTION
Thankyou.
Listen,I did not re-start the topic again.Im done discussing the reality of Star Wars.I was messaged by this guy called the Filmmaker not to edit Star Wars as science fiction. He asked me to respond on the message board and here I am. I simply wrote that because I was told by the guy called "the Filmmaker" to post my arguements so here I am. I am not here to start a fight or anything.
Alright, first I'd like to mention that I only just now found your arguments as I asked you to post them in the talk page of one of the film articles, however we can make due with this. I'd like to address your........ accusation? that I am a Trekkie. I am not, I have never even seen a full episode or film from the Star Trek universe. Lucas has also referred to it as "space fantasy", however he has been contesting the title of "science fiction" for much longer than he has allowed it. The general media has, yes, labeled the film as science fiction. Only because is easily mistaken for it because of it's space setting and use of technology beyond this world. This is why it has been nominated for awards and received ratings with titles featuring the words "science fiction" or "sci-fi". However, can you really contest that the award committee would invent a new category, such as "Best Science Fantasy Film" when only one such film was released that year? Star Wars is considered science fantasy because of it's use of fantasy mythologies established by Joseph Campbell is his book "Hero with a Thousand Faces", by taking themes that run across almost all great fantasy stories and putting them in a scientifically advanced setting. You can read more about it in the A New Hope article.
Alright,I will respond here with facts,that is placing my opinions aside to validate my arguemnts.
FACT-People who write articles on wekipedia write the articles on their perspective of things such as history or cetain issues.
FACT-Majority votes do not impact the belifs of all people(otherwise they would be "majority votes" would they?it would be all to nothing)Such as 1+1=2.If the majority of the world voted 1+1=5 it would not really be that way just because the majority sees it in that way.
FACT-wekipedia is a nuetral site and respects every person's perspective of an issue,whather majority or not.If it's not doing this then it's not neutral at all.
FACT-When you make a general statement and contradict yourself,people cannot prove which mesage you are trying to validate.Geroge Lucas has stated that Star Wars is between science fiction and fantasy,so why then publish all those technical journals,encyclopedias,novels in which the scince of Star Wars is explained?Trying to rationalise the technology in Star Wars(even the force through the "medichlorians")would be Lucas contradiciting himself?And while he does contradict himself,it remains undecided what his view on STar Wars is.
FACT-Star Wars movies on DVD are ranked PG-13 for SCIENCE FICTION violence.Check it yourself if you don't belive me.
Prove any one of these wrong and I'll shut my wekipedia account.
Thankyou
"FACT-People who write articles on wekipedia write the articles on their perspective of things such as history or cetain issues."
Wrong, otherwise all articles would be NPOV. Editors of Wikipedia attempt to present all perspectives and allow the reader to decide for themselves. Before you scream about us not including your opinion. Please read on.
"FACT-Majority votes do not impact the belifs of all people(otherwise they would be "majority votes" would they?it would all to nothing)Such as 1+1=2.If the majority of the world voted 1+1=5 it would not really be that way just because the majority sees it in that way.
Wikipedia is a democracy. You're fundamentally saying that the majority of people here are voting that 1+1=5 because the prequel articles have been voted through FA. And how do you know this? You sound to be more of pursuer of
truthiness than the truth itself. On Wikipedia, truth is derived from consensus.
"FACT-wekipedia is a nuetral site and respects every person's perspective of an issue,whather majority or not.If it's not doing this then it's not neutral at all."
Yes and no. There is the factor notability. The information on Wikipedia is only allowed if it is from credible source, it is not a place for your "cool ideas". As of right now, all of your opinions are original research that is not eligible.
"FACT-Star Wars has not been proven to be a true story.Wheather it happend "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" or not is unproven so there are no "facts" regarding Star Wars.Every man is free to hold their vision of the story such as the famous "Han shoots first" issue."
Yes, they are, but not every man's vision is notable enough to be written about on Wikipedia.
"FACT-When you make a general statement and contradict yourself,people cannot prove which mesage you are trying to validate.Geroge Lucas has stated that Star Wars is between science fiction and fantasy,so why then publish all those technical journals,encyclopedias,novels in which the scince of Star Wars is explained?Trying to rationalise the technology in Star Wars(even the force through the "medichlorians")would be Lucas contradiciting himself?And while he does contradict himself,it remains undecided what his view on STar Wars is."
His view on Star Wars, as he has stated in many interviews is that it is "science fantasy" or a variation that term, not science fiction. The technical journals and encyclopedias are merely another form of marketing that Lucas takes advantage (at rightfully so in my own POV). Again, this is your own original research and point of view that is not notable on it's own. If you find a source, such as newspaper article or a book dealing with issue itself, than it will become notable enough for Wikipedia. Better yet, write the book yourself.
"FACT-Star Wars movies on DVD are ranked PG-13 for SCIENCE FICTION violence.Check it yourself if you don't belive me."
I don't know what to tell you. This is probably the closest you've gotten to an actual argument for why the films should be considered science fiction. However, that is the MPAA's classification, not George Lucas'. I've never researched, but I believe that MPAA has set titles for these ratings and therefore they most likely classified it as science fiction violence because of it's setting in space and futuristic technology, not based on cinematic mythology. The Filmaker 19:08, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Look here,I don't portray myself to be a persuer of truth than truth itself. So just because it has a small mythology in it the whole trilogy gets dumped into the "science fantasy" box?It is star trek that has been propagated as "science fiction" because of the abuse of scientific theories by Trekkies.Check out Micheal Wong's site. http://66.39.46.41/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html He's a certified engineer and proves this propaganda about "Star Trek" being the future and helps in rationlizing the technology of Star Wars. Infact because in Star Trek,they make-up so much real sounding "science", it has been labelled as "Science fiction" in the popular media.When it contains pure magical elements portrayed to be real science.
"setting in space and futuristic technology"-(your quote) Careful with the words you use.That's what I mean when I say condradicting one's self. Your now indrectly saying that Star Wars is science fiction by using words such as "futerestic technology".As does Lucas when he rationalizes the technology of Star Wars in directors commentry on the DVDs as well as the books.
As for perspectives.Wekipedia does use words like "white superemicists" on people who do not view themselves as white supremicists at all or the history ofthe Muhajir population of Pakistan,when the writer sometimes has no idea what he/she is talking about.I have read articles on those and attempted to correct them.And yet-it's posted.This is what I mean that it's written on the writers perspective.Some of the sources themselves are opinions-mixed with un-proven facts.
I'll agree on one thing though:This is niether the time nor the place. I've got better things to do.
As for me,my statements are based on FACTS that I clearly provided.
Since wekipedia is a neutral site we can place the classification of Star Wars as science fantasy/science fiction as disputed.
LET IT END THERE Since I think neither one of us is going to back down.
My apologies to the film maker.I have been expressing my view in a sort of a "jerky" attitude.I hope I have not hurt your feelings and didn't meant to sound so personal. You can go on editing the Star Wars article as I really don't care.You'll know it's science fiction,I'll know it,Dr Micheal Wong will know it. http://66.39.46.41/toc.html Dr Curtis Auxill will know it and so on....
I still contest that Star Wars is science fiction. It does feature a "little mythology" as you stated, it was in fact based off of mythology. This "science fantasy/science fiction (disputed)" will not work as discussions are not to be carried over into articles. As of right now, I believe that you should leave the articles alone until the dispute has been settled and give the original version the benefit of the doubt especially since it has been passed the FAC. The Filmaker 02:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
No my friend,I still am sorry for being so harsh and as I stated it's against my nature to be so impolite when it is totally unecessary,but I still stand by my claim that Star Wars is science fiction.
I know the storyline is based mythology as stated in the documentry DVD but "because of it's setting in space and futuristic technology" as you said,infact makes it science fiction.
Simply by using terms as stated above,your indirectly saying Star Wars is science fiction.That contradict your first claim that it's science fantasy,which is not the same thing.
As for people writing articles on their own perspective,I also stand by that claim. As for "my cool ideas",it wasn't a very nice thing.If what I have said are "cool ideas",then you are also saying all those technical journals are "cool ideas",Dr Curtis Saxton's tehnical comentries on Star Wars are "cool ideas". http://theforce.net/swtc/
Michael WOng himself leads discussions on wekipedia on the realism of Star Trek and Star Wars. http://66.39.46.41/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html So much for his "cool ideas".
And "we wekipedians" is not appropriate .I am a PART of wekipedia as long I hold an account.I have read many articles and am not the only one to disagre with them.Why don't I give an example? The history of Pakistan,or it's or on the discrimination of it's muhajir population is biased and simply written on the author's perspective.Since I am from Pakistan,it would be a joke for you or the author who writes these incorrect articles to say that I know less about my country then the author(s). My main point is wekepdia does not contain facts on all issues.Really,autheor's here have been posting what they desire and people have a right to correct them.That's why i feel i have the right to challenge author's if articles are inaccurate. "Having heard how horrible a resource Wikipedia is for students, I decided to scope things" outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EEMeltonIV
I have already stated my arguements to you,but you refuse to accept them.So it really has fallen to what you want to except as fact,even though you know it is.
Just keep in mind,there are no facts when an event(s) in a fictional story is disputed. Star Wars is an example.
"I know the storyline is based mythology as stated in the documentry DVD but "because of it's setting in space and futuristic technology" as you said,infact makes it science fiction."
So every film or story that is set in space with futuristic technology is automatically "science fiction"? It's generalizations like this that resulted in the media originally categorizing the film series as "science fiction" they've since corrected themselves.
"Simply by using terms as stated above,your indirectly saying Star Wars is science fiction.That contradict your first claim that it's science fantasy,which is not the same thing."
You are twisting my words to make it sound as though I believe Star Wars is science fiction. I will state this now as I have many times before, I don't believe that Star Wars is science fiction.
"As for people writing articles on their own perspective,I also stand by that claim."
Than you cannot comprehend how Wikipedia editors write.
"As for "my cool ideas",it wasn't a very nice thing.If what I have said are "cool ideas",then you are also saying all those technical journals are "cool ideas",Dr Curtis Saxton's tehnical comentries on Star Wars are "cool ideas". http://theforce.net/swtc/"
"Cool ideas" was just a link to a wikipedia policy under that name. The point was that your beliefs are original research that you developed yourself, on your own. The technical commentaries are not "cool ideas" because they have a source. I'm saying your use of these technical commentaries is original research. The idea that certain technologies in Star Wars could be possible has long been discussed, it seems the same with Star Trek. However this does not qualify either series to be considered science fiction. It is the story structure and mythology behind the film. Just because a film features a knife, does not mean the film is slasher film. Genre's are categorized by their storyline, not the content itself.
"Michael WOng himself leads discussions on wekipedia on the realism of Star Trek and Star Wars. http://66.39.46.41/Empire/Tech/Myths/Myths_ST.html So much for his "cool ideas"."
See above, I have no problem with the references that say that the realism of Star Wars has been discussed. I'm stating that your beliefs have been based on them, however they still your own personal beliefs and are therefore original research.
"And "we wekipedians" is not appropriate .I am a PART of wekipedia as long I hold an account.I have read many articles and am not the only one to disagre with them.Why don't I give an example? The history of Pakistan,or it's or on the discrimination of it's muhajir population is biased and simply written on the author's perspective.Since I am from Pakistan,it would be a joke for you or the author who writes these incorrect articles to say that I know less about my country then the author(s). My main point is wekepdia does not contain facts on all issues.Really,autheor's here have been posting what they desire and people have a right to correct them.That's why i feel i have the right to challenge author's if articles are inaccurate. "Having heard how horrible a resource Wikipedia is for students, I decided to scope things" outhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:EEMeltonIV
Yes it's true that most of wikipedia is written by the editor's own perspective, and features no sources whatsoever. This is a problem, however these articles are symmetrical with the three featured articles and this fact of genre has been voted through all three times. I am unsure of when I ever referred to myself or others as "we wikipedians".
"I have already stated my arguements to you,but you refuse to accept them.So it really has fallen to what you want to except as fact,even though you know it is."
No, I contest your arguments. I do not have a problem with accepting your facts as the only facts you have shown me are some links to the fact that the realism and technology inside Star Wars has been discussed. However, your personal belief that Star Wars is science fiction has never been stated on the record by a specific source. I however could find many different sources that refer to Star Wars and "science fantasy" or variate on it.
No,Im done discussing however,if you wish to speak to me privately man to man on this,let me know and I'll give you my MSN adress.
Okay that's fine we dont have to talk.Talking live would be talking man to man rather than leaving a bunch of messages that we end up sometimes misunderstanding each other.
Star Wars being "science fantasy",I have reason to belive that you simply made up the word(technically speaking,it is a "cool idea"),with the meaning pulled out of words from scientists,but twisted to suit your meaning for the made-up word.I looked it up on 3 different dictionaries and found no meaning for the word.Really if you observe the word it sounds like an oxymoron. Just by taking a theme from a story and classying the genre of the story based on the theme is misinformative.And please by saying Star Wars is a saga rather than a universe is strongly misinfomative.All those books,spin-offs,cartoons.What were they if not Star Wars? An example have you seen "the exorcism of emily rose".Well its about a girl who dies at the hands of a priest who belived she was possessed by evil spirits,while the lawyer who prosecuted him charged that she was ill.The theme of the film is a message to the audiance what they want to beleive.Proof of this can clearly be heard in the directors commentry on the DVD version of the film as well as in the interview in the special features section.So therfor its been classified as mystery-but thats not the end of it.It contains frightening,disturbing and violent scenes,therefor its classified as mytery/horror/thriller/drama and not just as mystery. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0404032/
mythology is not always associated with fantasy.Just like the battle of troy is a mythology story,but not classified as fantasy.Harry potter is fantasy because it contains magic but its not mythology. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0332452/
But I really dont care,I was just trying to inform you of the fact that Star Wars is science fiction/mythology.People dont really rely on wekipedia as they charge that articles are really written to suit the authors satisfaction and not written as matter-of-fact.
With this I close the discussion premaently.If you have a last message,leave it for me on this talk page. Thankyou -Nadirali
The first film's title is Star Wars. This is the title under which it came out, received massive popularity, was nominated for awards, and started the whole cult (and no, it doesn't matter what Lucas may have intended the title to be originally. the whole "episode" thing was more of a tongue in cheek homage before he actually got rich enough to put it into reality). When someone searches for Star Wars today, it is likely they probably mean the first one. It's only fanboys who call it "Episode IV: A New Hope". Wikipedia should redirect Star Wars to the page for "A New Hope", and the general material should be linked at the top of the page in a disambiguation.
No. The first film is not "Star Wars." It was later retitled to "A new hope." -- 66.139.11.116 00:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think that the article should be retitled. When people search for "Star Wars", they are most likely searching for general information on it. If they need to go to the article about the movie, it's just one link away. I think you can reach the article without having to scroll down for the link. =] Jedi_feline | Talk 08:17, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
the femen of duna are not analogous to the jedi (they do not form some sort of knighthood) they are quite comparable to the tusken raiders, though —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.205.232.3 ( talk) 12:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC).
The Fremen become a religious order made up of a significant degree of mysticism and ritual whilst also exerting makor influence over the galaxy. Also Paul Muad'Dib is similar to a Jedi in his abilities and his prescience. Tuskens are disorganised animals, the Fremen are a highly civilised society. The links to the Jedi are far greater than those to the Tuskens and the most immportant link is Paul, and his abilities. (Sorry if the above is disorganised, I'm kind of tired and don't know how to sign this thing with date/time etc, sorry) Leto - 30.12.06
The Fremen are a people, not an order. Paul is not a Fremen.
Tuskens wear technologically advanced equipment to save and preserve water;
this is based on the stillsuits of the sand people in Dune.
If you want a Dune equivalent to the Jedi (ruling galaxy by mysticism etc.), it would be the Bene Gesserit
According to the Wiki page on the movie "Hardware Wars" there is a 1999 interviw with George Lucas in which he states that it is his favorite parody. Obviously not a citation to cite to wiki. Could the author of the Hardware Wars article provide the proper citation, please?
I added the info about Carrie Fisher in an SNL skit as an Annette Funicello like bikini clad girl singing "The Obi Wan Kenobi" I have the VHS of the episode at home, do I need to ref the specific episode? 69.25.108.3 12:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
it would be nice Leapster 18:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
and that is just a small part. I feel the over the past little bet this page has lost its NPOV for a more anti lucas feeling. Leapster 18:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know (according, i think, to other parts of wikipedia) Weird Al [i]didn't[/i] do the Yoda song, it just gets attributed to him. He did, however, do Star Wars - The Saga Begins, a parody of American Pie. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.232.248.162 ( talk) 22:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
128.232.248.162, maybe the song you're thinking of is "Livin' La Vida Yoda" the parody of "Livin' La Vida Loca." I thought it was a Weird Al song but it's not, according to this site: http://free.house.cx/~eil/etc/notal.html Jedi_feline | Talk 08:22, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Before I begin my long-winded rant, to show I have credibility I will say I am a rabid Weird Al fan and own three of his albums, Bad Hair Day, Alapalooza, and Straight Outta Lynwood. Weird Al has been attributed thousands of Star Wars parodies, yet he has ONLY EVER WRITTEN TWO:
"Star Wars- The Saga Begins" From his album "Running With Scissors" (Need verification, I'm unsure if that's the right album)
"Yoda" From his album "Dare To Be Stupid"
I apologize for the redundancy, and repetitiveness (Oops, I did it again!), but I am very passionate about the misattribution of parodies to Weird Al. Praisejebus 01:30, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Debate is about the External Links site and whether the rules are being applied fairly. Debate arose when this web site was added to External Links: http://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php
User "A Man In Black" reverted my edit where I added " Chef Elf's Nitpickers Guide to Star Wars - A controversial but amusing analysis of the Star Wars movies." User "A Man In Black" gave no reason for removing this, and has not contributed to this article before. The Chef Elf site is well known in the Star Wars community. He gives a very thorough analysis of every Star Wars movie, point-by-point and it's become a bible of sorts. I think it's an important contribution that Wiki should link to. Since "A Man In Black" seems to be a hit-and-run reverter and gave no reason, I would like to reinstate that link. Toru-chan 09:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC) I will now unrevert the change. I will edit the label to make its significance clear. Toru-chan 01:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
In the books section it says that Splinter of the Mind's Eye was "very nearly" the first book dealing with the expanded universe. This implies that something else was first. Can anyone clarify? Cris Varengo 20:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
On the article of each movie of the original trilogy states that they were re-released on VHS,laserdisc and DVD.This is not true.The 1997 special editions never came to DVD.The 2004 DVD editions are different from the 1997 special editions because of many significant changes.I corrected the article,but I just wanted to let everyone understand the difference so the same mistake is not repeated again.Thanks. Nadirali نادرالی
yeah I think that EMpire was already corrected by you.I'm not sure about episode four as I haven't checked it yet.-- Nadirali نادرالی
i hope to see a new prequel trilogy box-set DVD in the market! in the mentime i believe there will be another 6 movie in one box-set HD-DVD/bluray disc.
Did they ever even come out with a six episode box set??? I've been waiting for ages, but never heard of one!!! Praisejebus 01:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
we need to question the new movies and the series New jedi order.
As reported by [ Salon] Joseph Cambell's ties to Star Wars are tenuous. If it were up to me I would remove the references to Campbell from this and related articles (such as the Darth Vader article). But people like the idea that Star Wars was intentionally modeled after Campbell's work so this is unlikely to happen... however you still might want to change the wording to acknowledge the disagreement. -- Logomachist 00:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
As far as I know, Campbell's works may have been the original inspiration for "the Force." The idea of the 'force' in the original three movies very much complies with the more legendary concepts of 氣, "qi" or "chi." I don't know if Lucas had any other source of information on Oriental mythologies. If anyone has more information about this, I think it would be very enlightening, although citations would be necessary for the Wikipedia article.
A Tai-Chi teacher of many many years ago claimed that his teacher's teacher (may have been Cheng Man-ch'ing) was a consultant for George Lucas and actually provided inspiration for the Yoda character. This seems unlikely, but... Mr. Lucas might have had some contact with actual Chinese Tai-Chi/Qi-Gong master(s), and may have incorporated some characteristics. Cuvtixo 19:11, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is one reference - there is an entire discussion in the POwer of Myth by Campbell. This is a quote from George himself. What more proof is needed?
Lucas discusses this at great length in the official biography of Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell: A Fire in the Mind by Stephen and Robin Larsen:
I [Lucas] came to the conclusion after 'American Graffiti' that what's valuable for me is to set standards, not to show people the world the way it is...around the period of this realization...it came to me that there really was no modern use of mythology...The Western was possibly the last generically American fairy tale, telling us about our values. And once the Western disappeared, nothing has ever taken its place. In literature we were going off into science fiction...so that's when I started doing more strenuous research on fairy tales, folklore, and mythology, and I started reading Joe's books. Before that I hadn't read any of Joe's books...It was very eerie because in reading 'The Hero with a Thousand Faces' I began to realize that my first draft of 'Star Wars' was following classic motifs...so I modified my next draft [of 'Star Wars'] according to what I'd been learning about classical motifs and made it a little bit more consistent...I went on to read 'The Masks of God' and many other books (Larsen and Larsen, 2002: 541). (Anonymous)
In The Empire Strikes Back, Luke asks Yoda "But how am I to know the good side from the bad?", referring the dual sides of the Force. I believe this is the only time, in any of the films, that the "good side" of the Force is referred to. The clear connotation by most characters who use the term "the Force" is that the term refers to the "good" side by default, unless specifically qualified as the Dark Side. Dh67 19:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
What is the name of the "the Light Side"? The Dark Side has become such a significant part of Star Wars lore that it has become commonplace in pop culture. But what is the correct term for the opposite? I don't recall ever hearing that in any of the films, and my Star Wars canon knowledge is lacking - er, that is, non-existent. If anyone knows, please cite a reputable source, something that is accepted as part of the Star Wars canon. -- Bentonia School 16:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Going just by the movies, there is no "light" or "good" side. There is just the Force, of which the so-called "Dark Side" is a subset, but it does not follow that the Force has two equal and opposite halves or anything of the sort. The only character who implies otherwise at any point in the films, as mentioned above, is Luke in Empire, at a point where it's clear he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. This is my preferred picture and the only one I believe is supportable from just the movies. But it's clear that much of the "lesser" cannon is written by people who disagree. This is made especially explicit in Knights of the Old Republic. I consider this a serious wrong turn for the Star Wars franchise, but it's what's out there. PurplePlatypus 19:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if it's mentioned, there are new Star Wars stamps being made. I saw the article on MSNBC.com: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17838341/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.31.45.49 ( talk) 01:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC).
We should change where it says in the beginning of this article that it is one of the most successful movie franchises of all time and say it is the most successful movie franchise of all time. 20 billion dolars. Lord of the rings nor Spiderman has made nearly that much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Timsgotaim ( talk • contribs) 04:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC).
You have got to be kidding me if you think that they will ever catch up. They are very big but haven't had nearly as much of a culture impact as the first trilogy. The rest of the trilogy just added to the bank.
Also note that "Episode IV: A New Hope" won 7 academy awards, which I believe no other science fiction film has achieved. (Please verify). Also, "The Empire Strikes Back" won 2 Academy Awards, and "ROTJ" with 1. What was the competition for the Awards with "Star Wars IV" and compared to the "LOTR Trilogy"? Was it about the same, or did one of them have more competition? For clarification purposes, I mean did the films have to compete with other films for the awards they received. Praisejebus 01:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270874,00.html
"And here's a little news: Lucas tells me he will make two more live-action films based in the "Star Wars" era. "But they won't have members of the Skywalker family as characters," he said. "They will be other people of that milieu." The two extra films will also be made for TV and probably be an hour long each. But, like "Clone Wars," Lucas doesn't know where on TV they will land. Hello, HBO and Showtime. It may be time to pony up." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.131.210.162 ( talk) 13:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
I think there is a rather large blindspot in the Star Wars story line that few people have discussed and is directly addressed in the dialog: Palpatine basically tells Anakin he is his father. I realize this is speculation, but I think it is pretty reasonable to ask what folks think of the theory. This may not be the place, but maybe someone can help me find a more appropriate place to move this short article?
The idea draws some intriguing parallels to the Vader vs. Luke plot; relates to the Greek mythology aspects of the Star Wars universe; and goes a long way towards explaining why Lucas would do something as controversial as including an Immaculate Conception in his script for Episode I. Read this scene closely to see what I mean:
REVENGE OF THE SITH: CORUSCANT-GALAXIES OPERA HOUSE-NIGHT
PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?
ANAKIN: No.
PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?
PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
ANAKIN: What happened to him?
PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.
ANAKIN: Is it possible to learn this power?
PALPATINE: Not from a Jedi.
Kenmikemark 18:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
It has been verified by Lucas himself and the Star Wars Timeline that Anakin was an immaculate conception, but in accordance with your theory, yes, it does sound as if Palpatine is hinting at that. Though would you not think that if anything Plagueis would be the father, as he did exist and was Palpatine's master? Praisejebus 01:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
As the article seems to be undergoing revert war of sorts right now, perhaps we should discuss the issue here before making any more changes. Given the level of detail of the plot summary, I think that a spoiler tag is justified. I don't really see a good reason not to have one, other than aesthetics, perhaps. Chunky Rice 19:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I'm divin' in. Chunky Rice 16:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Who cares about a spoiler tag ... I mean like who hasn't seen the movie!!
You need the DVD to access it - does anyone know what's there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
It runs along with the DVDs (any of the six Episodes) to provide the original scripts and some other special features I can't remember. -- Addict 2006 14:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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Unlike witches and wizards, there are lots of actual princesses.
Does anyone think that we need the Feature Film:Television Rights section? I can't figure out in what way it's notable information.
Also, the Scripts section doesn't seem to be about the script at all. The section either needs a major re-write or at least a renaming.
Anybody agree? Disagree? Chunky Rice 21:47, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
i tend toward the stance of letting things stand unless there is a good reason to remove them. it's not particularly wise to try to predict why people come to wikipedia, or what information they are looking for. better than just getting rid of it because it is allegedly "non-notable", how would the article be improved by removing it? Whateley23 01:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
User IP address 66.51.146.251 is located in Farmington, Michigan at the Public Library. User's Contribution page shows multiple vandalization's. -- Coldbourne 19:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Got rid of the ridiculous Wagner reference. It was quasi-relevant, not particularly helpful and had an air of simply being included to namedrop Wagner. If someone wants to add the reference back then please use a more apt example, like another filmmaker or film series at the very least. Cellscape 13:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Someone added or changed the film information to tack on three more films. I don't know of their existence or what have you, so I simply added cite requests for them and a future movie tag. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers. =) -- koder 02:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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In the "Plot" section, right after it sums up Episodes I, II, and III, it says "Star Wars is very cool to get into." This is an opinion and completely unrelated to the section that it is found in, so I tried to delete it. The problem is, it doesn't show up on any of the Edit pages. If this problem is fixable, it needs to be fixed. CommonWikian 07:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Per the new resolution at Wikipedia:Featured topic criteria, the Star Wars featured topic will be eligible for removal after 1 January 2008 if a satisfactory GA or FA level lead article (presumably Star Wars) is not found. See also Wikipedia talk:Featured topic candidates#Star Wars lead article. Thanks.-- Pharos 03:16, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Why not change the genre from 'sceince fantsy' to space opera.It's a more suitable word as far as I can see and as seen per the content of the films and descriptions from sources.
Also take a look at these. [6] [7] [8].
Can I please have an opinion on this? Thanks.- Vmrgrsergr 20:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
PS-the space opera defination also mentions romance-thats what we see in both trilogies with anikin and padme' in the first and princess liea and han solo in the second.I think this is just the right word for the genre.Thanks.- Vmrgrsergr 20:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
This article has undergone some recent vandalism. If you read the second-to-last edit, you will notice that the first line contains something about "like to poop". Obviously, the article's first section was completely re-written by an amateur at that point, as I can spot at least a dozen mistakes that particular Wikipedian made. I'm not sure of the style of Wikipedia, but I don't really believe that credits should come before a bried introduction as to what Star Wars is all about. Besides, the image of Star Wars (svg as it may be) is gone, regardless of whether it was meant to be rasterized at low-res or not. I thought that image was essential to the article. Although I am helpless at Wikipedia formatting, I hope that someone will help either to revert or to rewrite the first section of the article. I don't dare to do it myself, in case someone gets mad. Danny Sepley 04:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't alive when "Star Wars" came out, but I do know from my father who saw it back in 1977 when it came out(he was eleven at the time) and when i got my copy of the Unenhanced versions, I watched the Obi-Wan VS Vader scene and remember from the original trailer for Star Wars that I saw online that there was no color in the lightsabers, and the version I bought put the lightsabers in full color!It even looked like new!I asked my father if there was color in the lightsabers in the original version he saw in theaters back in 1977, and he said no. I also saw some other things that looked relatively new, which proves that they're not really "Original".
All Rights go to the 20 Century Fox Film Cooperation,
Lucasfilm Ltd,
And George Lucas.
Vaderman426
17:51, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
A search for "Star Wars Toys" redirects to this article, which makes ZERO mention of any of the toy lines. Either some mention needs to be made, or a separate article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.88.78.11 ( talk) 22:08, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
Originally prodded with the summary "It's small enough that it could fit in the Star Wars series article and serve to improve that one rather than splitting them apart and making inferior articles." by User:A Link to the Past. No opinion myself. Will ( talk) 17:43, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Star Wars Galaxies appears to have come under attack from vandals. it's hard to tell which edits are legitimate and which are vandalism. some help would be appreciated. thanks. -- Steve, Sm8900 00:09, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
At the moment, the first mention of Leia is 1/3 of the way down in a parenthetical statement; and not one of the four or five mentions of Leia is a link to Princess Leia. And the first mention of Han Solo is 3/4 of the way down in the Parodies section! These are principal characters in the original trilogy and need to be mentioned much earlier, either in the Plot section or a new section specifically glossing the characters. -- Tysto 03:08, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
After messing around on Microsoft Word a bit, I found that merging the Battlfront and KotOR pages into series articles, keeping only notable information, can be done with extreme ease. I'm already done with the Battlefront series and half way through the KotOR series, but I thought I'd give you all a heads up before going ahead and merging/redirecting. A week to discuss should be more than enough time for you guys to talk about whether this is a good idea or not.
As a little note, I'm grounded and can't get on the computer often, so asking me questions here would be pointless (unless you can wait until next Saturday for me to answer them). However, my parents, for one reason or another, let me check my email from time to time, so questions can be asked there. Still, like I said, I'm grounded, so a response might take about 24 or so hours. My email address can be found on my user page. That being said, see you again in a week! // DecaimientoPoético 17:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
First of all,I KOW my uncle is not a reliable sourcebut he seems to think lucas found a very old book,called star wars,which was so long it went hundreds of years before and after 1-v1.He describes the original author as alienated for having wrote the book in,I believe,the late 1600's.I dont necessarily believe this,but I just wanted to know if anyone had ver heard of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.227.12.81 ( talk) 15:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but whatever is 1-v1?? Praisejebus 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know what order Lucas thinks the hexology should be viewed (original or prequel first)? This could be significant info for parents or older siblings wanting to introduce the new generations to Star Wars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.69.118.1 ( talk) 03:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the text "though recently the Harry Potter franchise, with still two films left, surpassed Star Wars with earnings totaled at US$4.47billion." from the end of the summary text because it doesn't seem relevant to me. The sentence as it shows now states that the Star Wars franchise is "one of" the most successful franchises and IMHO it should be left at that.
I checked the discussion page first but didn't see it mentioned, so I went ahead and deleted it. If anybody has an issue with that, please bring it up here. STLocutus ( talk) 15:57, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
added Redirects at SWBF1 SWBF 1 These are common search terms hat mean Star Wars Battlefront 1.
Added star Wars disambiguation link at the top, please tell me if there are any problems with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stealth500 ( talk • contribs) 02:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
-- Stealth500! 03:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Article says box office revenue is 4.3 bil, while the infobox says gross revenue is 6.6 bil. What is the difference? the 6.6 should appear somewhere in the article (sourced) and be explained (perhaps right next to the 4.3) TheHYPO ( talk) 02:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Also, it says Star Wars has made 6.6 billion dollars total, making it ONE of the most financially successful franchises of all time. What's number one? Jaws? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.184.197.197 ( talk) 13:25, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Maybe James Bond but not Harry Potter, it's too new. Feral Mind ( talk) 01:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
>>Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are the same person, in different states of mind
This note from the apperance table seems like a poor wording for wikipedia. There is no way to assess a characters "state of mind". The characters should either be combined into one row on the table, or a clearer wording should be used, but as they are the same character, and he appears as both vader and outside his suit in two of the films, they should simply be one row, one character.
Frankly, I think the whole table thing is stupid and pointless - who needs a table of apperances? To see a character's appearances, one can check the characters' pages. A better route, IMO would be a bolded linked-name with a brief description and perhaps mentioning which films the characters appear in. TheHYPO ( talk) 19:51, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I have undertaken to clean up this article because it really needed it: this is a permanent link to the edit prior to my cleanup, for reference to what was deleted.
I think the main problem is that this article is billed on the topic of "Star Wars" as a media franchise, yet 80% of the article is a history of the films. Articles already exist for Star Wars original trilogy and Star Wars prequel trilogy. Those articles are the perfect place for information about the scripts (info about the scripts of each film should really be in the film's article, while info about each trilogy as a whole could go in those articles.)
I really WANT to kill the script info here because it's general broken down film by film (or at least between the two trilogies) - it should go in the films' articles, or in the trilogy articles, but it's all fairly well sourced so I didn't want to kill it outright - but I think it needs rewriting to be a little more neutral, better gramatically, and more concise.
Looking at those trilogy articles, I see they are in a terrible state. I think the best thing to be done would be to "merge" them both into another article called Star Wars films for all the info on all six films as a whole (as opposed to info about the films individually) - such as group DVD releases, etc. I see now that the trilogy articles are quite baron. They should not contain bare lists of characters and cast and locations as such (cast lists should be relegated to the individual films), and synopses as large as the ones in those articles should also be left for the individual films. I propose that the info that was previously on this article be (properly sourced) moved to an article like Star Wars films, and the trilogy articles be merged into that article (which could have a division for each of the two trilogies).
Then, this article can have a very short "Star Wars films" section, with a {{ main}} template pointing to the main article, and this page being merely a coinduit to point readers to all the different facets of the Star Wars franchise, which is what this article purports to be TheHYPO ( talk) 13:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
I am not registered to edit the article, but would like to suggest changing this reference (and the stub it leads to) to "virgin birth". The confusion stems from a South Park episode and should not be encouraged by Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.175.98 ( talk) 06:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a very large absence of pictures on this article. There are tons, why arent they on the page?-- Royalmate1 ( talk) 03:49, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a collection of Star Wars related stories that the TIME Archives put together, and that could be placed in the External Links section. The Collection could provide context and more resources for those users who wish to expand their research. [9] -- Kevindkeogh ( talk) 19:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we talk about Star Wars' prodigious impact on pop culture in the opening paragraph?
I mean seriously. Badboysbadoyswhatugonnado ([[User talk:|talk]]) 18:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
okay but how would "having a prodigious impact on pop culture" infringe on neutrality? Hell, "prodigious" actually belittles Star Wars' impact. I mean really, it's an unarguably, undisputable fact that Star Wars has had an immense, tremendous impact on popular culture. Some catch phrases have entered everyday language. Badboysbadoyswhatugonnado ([[User talk:|talk]]) 04:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I think this artical should be re-nominated for good artical Poohman0 ( talk) 01:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Star Wars/FA has more information, please post comments there. Stealth ( talk) 01:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking that 120 gaems was an awful lot..... I then checked the Wikipedia Page List of Star Wars video games and I counted 91.... Can someone verify this from an outside source? If not lets remove this comment... Stealth ( talk) 11:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
This sentence, from the Literature section is incorrect:
LucasBooks radically changed the face of the Star Wars universe with the introduction of the New Jedi Order series written by written by Jude Watson, which takes place some 20 years after Return of the Jedi and stars a host of new characters alongside series originals.
Jude Watson did not write any books in the NJO series. It was written by a group of authors: R.A. Salvatore, Michael A. Stackpole, James Luceno, Kathy Tyers, Troy Denning, Greg Keyes, Elaine Cunningham, Aaron Allston, Matthew Stover, Walter Jon Williams, Shane Dix, and Sean Williams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.76.22.118 ( talk) 15:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It merely states that the INTRODUCTION of the NJO was writted by Jude Watson. It does not claim that the said author wrote every NJO book. Bassplaya ( talk) 12:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
I'm doing this in bits: I'll check the images first, then look at the prose.
Red is needed for me to pass the GA, green is suggested, but not vitally required.
I don't think there should be a picture of Tatooine because Tatooine, as important as it is, isn't the MAIN plot. Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 22:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC))
Well, Alright. But did you put a pic of Tatooine animals on the list of minor starwars characters? Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 16:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC))
I know. But someone put an image of Tatooine on list of minor Star Wars characters page, and we all know that it doesn't belong there. Gregory E. Miller ( talk) 23:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC))
I would like to suggest the star wars film series article be... basically deleted. Everything it contains is available elsewhere: the films are synopsized equally thoroughly in this article, and the reception/criticism of the films are better left for each film's article, and not one big article.
The list of planets and characters already have their own pages, and are fairly trivial lists that don't belong in the body of that kind of article. I'd also be open to suggestions on how the film article could be improved to actually contain different information from this article, and not just lists that don't belong in the body of an article. TheHYPO ( talk) 18:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I know it was semi-recently reordered, but I'd like to suggest that the article would be better ordered if the "setting" and then "feature films" section were moved up above the History; The FF section provides and overview to what the films actually ARE (both plot wise, and things like how many films there were, when they came out, the relationship between the OT and the prequel trilogy, etc.) Putting the History section first explains to the reader the history of a film series they don't know anything about. The history section describes in depth how some of the characters and plot element changed between script drafts, but the reader hasn't read the overview of film series which would explain to the reader the characers and plot BEFORE they read the history of how that plot came to be final. TheHYPO ( talk) 19:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It's annoying, but does anyone want to give a hand converting the "Secret History" citations from the old (either v1 or v2, I'm not sure) page numbers to the proper page numbers in the current version 3? Most of the citations are no longer accurate. The ones I came across in my edits, I corrected and changed the reference to v3.0
You don't have to do them all, but if anyone has time to do a couple, it could probably get cleaned up fairly quickly. TheHYPO ( talk) 20:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The only thing I haven't merged in the agree upon merge is the "critisism/reception" section. The section exists in history here
I believe that there is no real cohesion in this section that makes it about the series as a whole: it merely says "the first film was received [blah]. Empire was received [blah]. Critics hailed Jedi as [blah]." etc. Each movie is separately discussed. As such, anything there that is not already in each film's own article should be added to the films' article. Aid in checking that and carrying it out would be appreciated. TheHYPO ( talk) 06:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
First off, this is not "Critical" reception. This is public internet voting. Critical reception generally indicates reception by CRITICS. Second, is a table of random internet fan polling sites something that is appropriate for the space it takes up? I'm undecided. I can see ups and downs to its existance. Thoughts? TheHYPO ( talk) 05:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
There's still a problem with using Rotten Tomatoes. These reviews include modern reviews, which tend to romanticize the original films and give higher marks after having the hindsight to see the films' lasting power. Reviews at the time of the release of the three original films tended to be less favorable than they are now. For example, Siskel & Ebert gave Star Wars a 'thumbs down' at the time, and revised later. However, I believe Rotten Tomatoes has put together a more accurate % that reflects reviews at the time of release for those films. That's the figure you should really be using.-- Daniel ( talk) 15:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm surprised that there isn't any section on the toys! Let's work together and make it. :) 142.166.200.246 ( talk) 15:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Right now the two Ewok films are listed as "direct to video". However, I seem to recall these were made-for-television movies when they first came out.-- Daniel ( talk) 15:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone add information about the RPG game for star wars, as it is not mentioned 207.172.250.247 ( talk) 04:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reddevil
There have been a few edits flying around regarding this. While I hear your arguments, I read in the
game/
campaign articles (one of the two) that the video game itself is seventh-generation, because it was made for the newest platforms and uses DMM, Euphoria .etc. I don’t know how true this is – but I’m sure you will agree, we can’t have one article using next-gen and another using seventh-gen; the articles must be consistent. Also, a phrase such as next-gen may apply now, but in a few years it won’t – so what are you going to call it then?
If the game turns out to belong to a different gen altogether, I’ll back down – but as it is, next-gen isn’t suitable, and all evidence suggests the game is seventh-gen.
TheMoridian
15:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there any citation that says that Reagan's "Evil Empire" reference is actually a reference to Star Wars? Just because they use the same term doesn't mean that's what he was referring to. This seems to be smack of fanboys. Mrmcgibby ( talk) 23:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
It's very awkward to mention how much of a legacy Star Wars has and then show 60% ratings from Rotten Tomatoes. Rotten Tomatoes is not the definition of critical reception, and neither is Metacritic. It's also weird to only have ratings from two websites under the critical reception section, and nothing else. I think we should either expand the section, preferably adding some details and snippets from reviews of certain things that seem to be liked/disliked, or remove the section entirely. As it is, the critical reception section is far to narrow-minded for such a big franchise. — Nova Dog — ( contribs) 03:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, I started the critical reception table because all articles about franchises and film series seem to have them. So I created the table and it's been throughout the last few months discussed. But I agree with you. I'll find more! Christianster45 01:27, 09 September 2008 (UTC)
The first film in the franchise was simply titled Star Wars, but later had the subtitle Episode IV: A New Hope added. . .
I tried verifying this on my own before challenging it, but have had no success. If the subtitle was not part of the original release, there should be a reliable source that can verify this somewhere. The only sources offered at present merely point to other articles here, which also fail to cite a proper source. If the claim isn't verified, it doesn't belong in a Good Article. -- James26 ( talk) 07:13, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
If Star Wars: The Clone Wars is on the critical reception chart, then how come it's not on the box office chart. The new movie isn't part of the original trilogy nor part of the prequel trilogy, but it could because it takes place between II and III, but a trilogy means three and now there are four theatrical Star Wars taking place before the original trilogy. Either we leave on the critical reception table or take off or/and place on the box office chart. Because it is now a theaterical Star Wars movie. We must do something NOW so that this can remain a good article. Christianster45 01:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)