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The split infinitive "To boldly go . . ." was "corrected" to "To go boldly . . ." by Zefram Cochrane, the Creator of the new warp drive, in the first episode.
I don't know about anyone else, but i really like the theme tune. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.67.76 ( talk) 13:20, 1 February 2003
I agree with thee. The first time I heard the opening song it had an emotional impact on me. Despite my general negativity regarding the future of humanity, what with the population crunch upon the ecosystems, various groupings of humans desiring nukes, etc. there is something about the song that causes my soul to stir with hope, hope that we as a species can overcome our troubles and soar like a starship!!! Sniff. Guess I'm just becoming a sentimental old coot.
I don't like it all that much, but never mind... If "Star Trek:" is not part of the series title, shouldn't this article be moved? I'm not very good at thinking up new titles for things, but I can come up with Enterprise (television), Enterprise (series), Enterprise (Star Trek), Enterprise (Star Tek series), and so on... Any suggestions? -- Oliver P. 14:28 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)
No. Because, as of mid season 3, the title of the series *is* "Star Trek: Enterprise". Redirect pages from other ambig titles are probably the indicated fix. Baylink 03:39, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I love to hate the theme tune.... I think its really cheesy, but I find myself singing along to it! Its got a good hook; even though I totally disagree with the sentiments of having "faith" in technology and mans "strength" of character.
The main weakness of the series is its constant reworking of the "mistrusting alien species." That we humans are the peace makers of the universe, constantly acting as ambassadors and delegating alliances.
This is becoming old and tiered. It makes the thought of Star Trekking tedious and boring. Ok, yes, the series has to cover this in order for the series to fit into the over all theme and history of the Star Trek universe. But its really tedious, and its only the Starship battles that give the series excitement. The aliens are better in appearance, mind you. They look less like a man with a couple of Shitakki mushrooms stuck on his face. : )
But in conclusion.....the series needs to be exciting.
I like the ew theme song as well and I don't think it's patriotic. The scenes being shown while it plays are patriotic but the tune is about personal conviction IMHO.
Wouldn't Enterprise (series) or Enterprise (television series) be a better title? Enterprise is a series not a television after all. -- mav 05:38 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village pump for a more general discussion -- sannse 19:14 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I hadn't heard of Berman and Braga being referred to as "The Disaster Duo" and "The Wonder Twins of Bad Writing." But I think it's an accurate description. Lately, Star Trek is becoming a train wreck of sorts. I can't bear to watch these guys butcher Gene's vision of the future, but at the same time I can't turn away!
The addition of an "Apparent continuity problems" listing is interesting. I made some edits to it, adding explanations and rationalizations. I removed part of one section, however, because it violated NPOV by labelling those who try to justify or explain alleged violations as "rationalizers" which I felt was used in a derogatory sense much as the words "basher" and "gusher" are used to describe those who hate Enterprise and those who don't. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of the items on the list could be explained either by "rationalizing" (dirty word though that may be), actually watching the source material, or by making a clear definition between fanon and canon references. 23skidoo 03:05, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have moved the Continuity Problems list to Star Trek: Enterprise alleged continuity problems in order to shorten the main article. 23skidoo 19:45, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Some viewers claim that Trip Tucker and George W. Bush share a similar facial appearance
You know, they make a very small reference to MacGyver. Hoshi says, "duck tape and a pocket knife" -- AllyUnion (talk) 14:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As of Feburary 2 2005, Enterprise has been cancelled.
What does "the first Star Trek cancelled" mean? Aren't all shows cancelled when they go off the air? DJ Clayworth 16:26, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
No. Many series are allowed to end by their own planned means. Cancellation means the series was ended by corporate executives who don't think a show is pulling in enough ratings. The Original Series was cancelled for poor ratings. The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager ended by their own planned means. Enterprise was cancelled by the network for poor ratings. It is said that the Star Trek franchise is suffering from "franchise fatique". I think it's a result of fans who keep griping about the show not going the way they want it to, citing that it strayed from canon or "Gene's Vision". That's really lame. Half of what older Star Trek fans take into account for their own personal Star Trek chronology is what is written in many campy Star Trek novels. If we went by the novels, we'd still be calling NCC-1701 a "constellation" class starship instead of a "constitution" class. Mirlin 03:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Some anonymous users seem to have a vendetta against any pro-Enterprise links in the External Links section. Several times now I've had to revert edits that deleted legitimate links related to the show. 23skidoo 21:11, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I *DID* ask, when I reverted back in links that no one had had any problems with before the show got cancelled, that we *not* have an r-war on them. Do I need to go get an admin, and start spanking people, or can we just admit that the links are pertinent to people interested in the topic of the page, and quit taking them out? Clearly, there's need for further discussions, and, IIRC, the proper protocol in such situations is "leave the original state of the page during discussions." -- Baylink 03:06, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Kill Enterprise is more than simply "one paragraph". That's just the first page. It does also have a forum. The layout for the Kill Enterprise site is very simple, but it's still valid. The link to that site should be reposted, and BTW the "Enterprise Fans" link simply leads to the "Save Enterprise" site, which means two links are to the exact same site. The "Enterprise Fans" link should be removed and the "Kill Enterprise" link added. 81.153.215.57
Yes, the site has been slightly altered. The Kill Enterprise forum is now here:
Kill Enterprise. That is the new link.
81.153.215.57
Content - How much depth and / or breadth does the page offer. Is it comprehensive or is it only of interest for a significantly small number of people. Is it citing a source?
I'll tell you why the link to Kill Enterprise should be added. To provide a sense of balance. Three links are featured under the title "fan sites", so if those are posted, why not Kill Enterprise? It does provide an opposing view to the three sites which support the campaign to save and fund the show. The members on that site are also Star Trek fans and the site is related to the TV show "Enterprise" so it should be added. 81.153.215.57
I've made no attempt to add it again. I've vandalised nothing. I don't believe it's any more vain or self-promoting than the Save Enterprise or Trek United sites. It's not just about wanting the show to remain cancelled. Kill Enterprise offers an opposing view to the funding campaigns since any such dissent is removed from the SE and TU sites. The link to the petition has been added (not by me), so why not add the forum link? Since it expands on some of the reasons why people are signing that petition. Would it really hurt you or anyone else to have the Kill Enterprise link added?. The campaign to save and fund that show is still ongoing, so the opposing view should also be mentioned on the link section because not every fan feels the same way about the show and the campaign. 81.153.215.57
If "Kill Enterprise" is not added to the link list, then "Save Enterprise" and "Trek United" (which is simply an off-shoot of "Save Enterprise" anyway) should not be included either. They are merely fan sites for that show, whereas "Kill Enterprise" is a site which opposes what they are trying to do. They are not connected to the show itself. There is nothing notable about those two sites either if you use that argument for "Kill Enterprise". What does it matter to me? Nothing, and I do realise this is an encyclopedia, but if you (not you personally) post links to site which represent one segment of the fan "community" then a link to a site representing opinions of the opposing segment should also be posted. It would not be much effort to simply place a link to the "Kill Enterprise" forum under the title "Other" like the petition has been posted. Then, once the entire campaign to save and fund the show is over, then they can all be removed if necessary. 81.153.215.57
"Kill Enterprise" has not been discontinued, it is still a functioning website. The message on the first page refers to the fact the original purpose of the site has been accomplished. But a new purpose has emerged. That being to counter the "save and fund" sites and I have proven that WITH A DIRECT LINK showing that discussions are still taking place. "Kill Enterprise" is still there to offer a option for those who do not agree with the "Save Enterprise" and "Trek United" campaigns and as such the new link I provided SHOULD be added to the link list. Once their campaign is over, THEN the "Kill Enterprise" link, along with the "SE/TU" links will serve no further purpose and can be deleted. Listen, if an Admin comes on here and says "The links can't be altered or changed" then I'll accept that with no further protest or discussion, and I haven't touched the article or links at all since the "Kill Enterprise" link was removed. I'm just offering an opinion. You do indeed mention "Kill Enterprise's" new role, but there's no link to the new "Kill Enterprise" forum. That's all I ask. The new role of that site comes DIRECTLY from the old one, but it still relates to "Star Trek Enterprise". 81.153.215.57
I just did yet another revert, except this time the nameless poster got snarky about it and had replaced all the fan sites with non-fan sites. Does anyone know if it is possible to lock just the links section, preventing any further edits, but leave the rest of the article open for editing (especially in light of some drive-by user plopping a "clean up" tag on it)? 23skidoo 16:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Blocked for a while. Erasing links and replacing them with anti-Enterprise links is vandalism, simple as that. silsor 19:48, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
There are several statements that need sources to back them up. Such as:
and
Otherwise they need to be deleted. Cburnett 06:47, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Restored the link for the Braga challenge. Don't think we need the actual quote though. This is getting off-topic, but I think there is very good reason to have a 32kb limit. When people ignore the 32kb limit you end up with long rambling articles like Mozilla Firefox, which I'm sure just puts people off. I'm interested in the subject but I can't even be arsed to read all that. AlistairMcMillan 01:16, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Early rumors regarding the finale are coming out on the various Internet chat boards, and some of the details are reportedly causing controversy (but then this series has never been able to burp without people getting up in arms about it). I'd like to suggest, however, that such spoilers not be included in this article for the time being, since there are many rumors abounding and things could get a bit nasty. I think we're OK with mentioning the speculation about Riker and Troi appearing, but other rumors regarding the regular characters, etc. should be held back for now. As an alternative, I recommend those wishing to post spoiler-related information about the last episode do so by starting the article on the episode itself (see the List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes article for a redlink to the as-yet unwritten article). I'd hold off until we're certain about the title. Right now it is either "There Are the Voyages" or "These Are the Voyages ..." with an ellipse at the end. Thoughts? 23skidoo 22:11, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Since Paramount has now confirmed elements of the final episode (guest stars, for example), I think it's safe to start a finale subsection. I put a spoiler warning up, but we should keep an eye on this to make sure detailed spoilers don't start appearing. Or, for that matter, snide remarks. I considered adding the fact that the episode has been criticized already, in particular with Blalock being quoted as calling it "appalling" but none of the coverage I have seen in regular media has suggested why Blalock thinks it's appalling. Unless someone can find an article in which she itemizes what she doesn't like about the episode, or if a published source (rather than Internet rumor or bash vs. gush argument) can be found discussing the episode, I suggest we leave it out until such sources actually become available. There will be plenty after May 13. 23skidoo 19:38, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Waiting for User:Alexwcovington to come and explain what needs cleaned up. Cburnett 16:33, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The article is a lot more long-winded than the articles for the other Star Trek series, and there's a lot of current events coverage, speculation, and whatnot that seems to have been accreting to the article. Mostly it's a time consideration - someone will have to go through and condense out a lot of stuff, and I'd prefer if that were someone who was following the article more closely than I have. Even the talk page is cluttered and needs archiving -- Alexwcovington ( talk) 00:29, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now that Paramount says the cancellation is final (though I really think they'd change their minds if offered a billion or two to do it), what should be done with the respective section? Nothing? Just fueling some discussion now that it *is* over and done with. Cburnett 23:33, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
The spoiler box looks awful in Firefox, FYI. It's because of the images. Personally I'd rather have the regular Template:Spoiler. It's less obtrusive and if reading back and forth between what is deemed as a spoiler and what isn't, then things need to be better organized with perhaps a reduction in spoilers. For a television show, perhaps breaking the section up by season would solve this. If I've seen Seasons 1 and 2, I might not read for fear of treading into Season 3 etc. Just a thought. K1Bond007 01:00, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
The Boston link could do with updating to point to the appropriate Boston article, but I'm not sure which it is. -- John 23:27, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
IMHO, these two sections need to be merged now that it has been aired. I don't see a real reason to have an entire section devoted to it when theres an entire article devoted to it. Theres no section for All Good Things, What You Leave Behind... (+whatever else) on their articles. K1Bond007 02:18, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
OK, I get it. Some people loved the finale (I certainly did) while others hated it. Regardless, Wikipedia is not a forum for reviewing this episode. Please keep POV out of it. Thanks. 23skidoo 02:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
It may be best to make all contraversies a seperate article. -- Cool Cat My Talk 23:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
These are the voyages info belongs to these are the voyages episode info article. -- Cool Cat My Talk 23:56, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In a recent interview, Brannon Braga discussed how the atmosphere of science fiction has changed since 9/11 (this with regards to his new series, Threshold). I have read in several places that the relative failure of Enterprise has been blamed on the changes in the emotional climate of America following 9/11, and the fact ENT didn't address this until the third season was cited as a reason why people didn't like the series. Indeed, one thing Trek has never had and ENT certainly never had, was irony - and this is what has permeated science fiction and TV shows in general since 9/11. The closest thing Trek came to doing this before 9/11 was in the introduction of Section 31 in DS9 which was wildly controversial if you'll recall. Anyway, the reason why I'm mentioning all this is I think a discussion of the effect of 9/11 on ENT should be added to the article, because there's no denying there was an effect and it may or may not have been a contributing factor in its inability to gain an audience. However I cannot provide sources at this time, and to add the section without sources would probably violate both NPOV and the No Original Research rules. But I thought I'd propose it here in case anyone else can provide sources with which we can begin the section. I have heard second-hand that Joss Whedon has basically said as much, but again I can't provide a source so it's heresay otherwise. 23skidoo 17:07, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
When Enterprise was cancelled, a lot of fans (me included) predicted that UPN would be dead within a year. A lot of that was just knee-jerk reaction. But guess what -- UPN is going to cease operations in the spring! Apparently CBS and WB have signed a surprise deal that will create a new network combining UPN and The WB. See this link. I guess our predictions turned out to be correct after all (and yes I know this isn't a result of Star Trek going off TV -- at least one assumes not -- but still...) 23skidoo 16:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I can't think of where else to ask this. You know that episode where they found that spaceship that was bigger on the inside than on the outside? The question is, is that a real thing, like the Dyson Sphere? Did someone somewhere at some time postulate about a thing that could have more interior space than the exterior appearance would suggest? Thanks! -- Bobcat 18:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
A good place to send your question is
Nitcentral
This site is a very large set of discussion boards started by the person who wrote the Star Trek Nitpicker's Guides.
I have another question which I hope isn't stupid, but I wonder about the syndicated reruns. The local stations have been showing the same episodes from the fourth season repeatedly, some more often than others, and there are about seven episodes which have not been shown at all. I realize Paramount decides which episodes will be shown on a particular weekend. But what they're doing just seems strange. Has anyone at Paramount commented on this?
Instead of having a section only on the theme song controversy, why not just have a section dedicated to the entire opening segment?
Does anyone have a link to a webpage or other source that discusses the fan campaign re:Excelsior? I've heard everything from it being a flat out rumor to, as noted in a recent edit, an organized fan campaign. It would be helpful for the sake of NPOV and accuracy to have a source for this one way or the other. 23skidoo 02:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Once in awhile the rumor pops up that a body double was used for T'Pol's love scene in Harbinger. But the only place I've ever seen that mentioned is on BBS discussion forums. Blalock has certainly bared her backside for film cameras before (see Diamond Hunters) so I personally don't see why she'd need a double unless she has a big Angelina Jolie tattoo back there or something. I echo the edit summary - can anyone provide a source that a body double was used for the scene? 23skidoo 04:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the image to be that of the title sequence for the series rather than that of its starship? I presume there's already an article on the NX-class already, and if not, then on Ex Astris Scientia.. DrWho42 04:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Be prepared to retool this section a bit as it seems the continuity problems article is about to be deleted at WP:AFD. 23skidoo 18:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually the displayed criticism of "Dear Doctor" states (arguable) opinions for facts. It claims the writers misunderstood evolution theory without pointing out the actual misunderstanding and how that contradicts evolution. Furthermore it compares compares Phlox's action with the eugenic programs of the 30s or not treating inherited (diseases) such as diabetes. That however is is rather questionable claim, since the episode is about about 2 different (potentially competing) species on a different planet and phlox decides not to intervene on the behalf of any of them (as a precursor/his personal version of later is supposed to become the prime directive).The eugenics scenario differs from that as it takes place within a species and is without 2 competing groups. It is about putting (questionable) group advantages over the well being or life of an (unfortunate) individual, which is not really related to Phlox situation at all.
Since I've watched maybe 40 episodes of Star Trek across the entire series, I'm not going to be the one to touch it. But I just wanted to point out that the cast section has an error; the ending of the cast section and the rest of the article has been accidentally stuffed into the Core Cast table. Arrow 23:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone is curious what I meant in my recent edit by referring to footage cut from the -premiere of Voyager, I was referring to the footage of Genevieve Bujold as Janeway. 23skidoo 23:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I remember reading an article from TrekToday concerning what Manny Coto would have wanted for Star Trek: Enterprise's 5th season.. Would that be good to insert into this article? DrWho42 05:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be a fine addition - if nothing else could be in a trivia area if folks don't think it's worthy enough for it's own section on the page (which I think it is). Dopefish 06:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this [1] being used on the article? I dont remember that ever being used on screen. MatthewFenton ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
"In May 2005, UPN announced starting in the fall, WWE SmackDown!, its longtime professional wrestling series, would move into the same Friday night timeslot vacated by Enterprise, a move coinciding with reports that UPN does not plan to renew its contract with WWE in 2006, bringing to a close another TV franchise. (However, in January 2006, it was announced UPN would merge with The WB to form a new network, CW, and SmackDown! was announced as one of series scheduled for the network's inaugural 2006-2007 season.)" -I'm afraid I don't understand how this has importance to Star Trek, and should be deleted.
"the first Star Trek series to be produced on digital video [2]" - TNG, DS9 and Voyager were all shot on 35mm film, but the post-production was done on digital video for the majority of these series (I think the first 3 seasons or so of TNG were done on analogue video). So, should this line be removed from the article? I say yes. Davhorn 13:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
"Dear Doctor" was not a controversial episode. Every online critic loved it. Critics were constantly pointing to it and going "why aren't more episodes like this one"?--->In short, I think NPOV rules are being violated: one or two wikipedians disliked the episodes scientific basis (which was only in the backround to support the ethical point of the episode) or disagreed with it, and keep saying it "divided" fans. I was on practically every major messageboard during the run, read every critic obsessively: I saw no evidence of widespread fan polarization over this. Wikipedia is based on evidence: can anyone provide *evidence*, that this was controversial? Otherwise one or two people that didn't like it are beating a dead horse and violating NPOV. I'm formally asking for a vote or administrator arbitration to finally settle this.
There's a whole paragraph, more or less, on the Kill Enterprise movement--a movement which existed almost exclusively within the boundaries of the StarTrek.com message boards (Sinister Six, anyone?), and which can no longer be found through a simple Google search for "Kill Enterprise", mostly because their main website, JMSTrek.org, had seven members (one of whom was me, and I was only there to keep an eye on them), existed, towards the end, almost exclusively as a reaction against the [www.TrekUnited.com TrekUnited] movement, and went totally inactive weeks before the series actually ended. So, on grounds of notability, I propose that all mention of the Kill Enterprise movement be excised from the paragraph about the future of Star Trek. -- BCSWowbagger 21:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
The page as it stands is absolutely saturated with weasel words and unsourced statements. I started added necessary cite tags but eventually lost the will to live, there are so many instances where the supposed opinions of unspecified and unreferenced people like "Some fans..." or "Many critics..." are used to make points. Reliable sources, which do not include message board postings, must be found or much of the article should be culled. Yikes.-- Nalvage 12:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, there are too many weasel words. And I think the whole section titled 'Controversy' can be deleted too. The apparent opinions of anonymous individuals on some chat room are totally irrelevant to an encyclopedia. Vince 02:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's an example: "...indicating a desire by the producers to leave behind the stigma that Star Trek had accrued[citation needed]."
Can't an author make such a mild and reasonable assumption without being called to task for a citation? I think most people would agree that this is an "indication" not a clear statement of intention. You have to grant contributors a small measure of personal observation, otherwise these pages will become as dry and sterile as a scientific paper. Landroo 17:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Star Trek Enterprise on Itunes Okay was I the only one who saw Star Trek Enterprise on Itunes? I can't find it now. Camsg12 17:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
For so much controversy, there's only one reference to an interview to backup the assertions here. Much of this content also wanders into sheer irrelevance. It's also laden with synthesis and OR. Restore in part or in while if you can offer a substantiating published, secondary citation for the material here. -- EEMeltonIV 15:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Enterprise arguably polarized the Trek fan community and two "factions" emerged within fandom, particularly on the many Internet message boards devoted to the Star Trek franchise (Enterprise was the first Trek series to debut following the rise in popularity of online chat rooms and forums). Initially, the term "Gushers" was used to describe fans who enjoyed the series, while "Bashers" was applied to Trekkers who did not like the show. Each group tends to object to these titles. As the series progressed, the terms were modified to refer usually to only the extreme fans on both sides—i.e. "gushers" was used for those who rejected any criticism of Enterprise, and "bashers" for those who hated the show and refused to be swayed—although in the wake of the show's cancellation the original definitions appear to be reestablishing themselves on Internet discussion boards such as TrekWeb and TrekBBS.
Many Trekkies were upset by the very concept of Enterprise, a prequel to such a well-known and continuity-tight franchise, because it violated the canon which had been established in previous series and movies. Brannon Braga, executive producer of the series, has gone on record as challenging the fans who make such claims to prove them; however, Braga does admit to having "bent" the rules. [1]
Critics have condemned what they see as Enterprise's attempts to rewrite the history of the various Star Trek series, by returning to things Kirk and Picard had done and claiming that the NX-01 crew did them "first" (such as encountering genetically-engineered supermen, encountering the Romulans face to face, and fighting the Borg). A subtle attempt to answer this was made in 4th season episode Demons, when it was suggested that a minister in the Earth government might attempt to write Enterprise out of history, in order to claim all credit for the formation of the Coalition of Planets (a predecessor to the United Federation of Planets).
Previous series had stated that James T. Kirk's U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701), as seen in the original Star Trek series, was the first starship to bear that name: this was evidenced by displays on Enterprises both in Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek: The Next Generation, the Deep Space Nine episode " Trials and Tribble-ations" (in which Sisko refers to Kirk's ship as the "first" Enterprise), among others. The producers of Enterprise have evaded this criticism by saying that Archer's ship was not a Federation starship, and thus doesn't count. It is worth noting that Sisko's statement is itself contradicted by a display Star Trek: The Motion Picture which shows vessels named Enterprise that predate Kirk's ship, including a starship that appears to predate the NX-01 (actually a Matt Jefferies spaceship sketch for a TV series that was never produced).
Others were upset that a fan-campaign (endorsed by actor George Takei) arguing that the new Trek series should focus on "Original Series" veteran Captain Hikaru Sulu and the crew of the USS Excelsior (featured in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country) failed to influence Paramount management, including the Berman / Braga executive production team.
The critically-panned final seasons of Voyager, and the fact that the same production team responsible for those seasons (Berman and Braga) would be responsible for producing and writing Enterprise was a source of some concern among long-time fans of the Trek franchise, who saw later Voyager seasons as being devoid of fresh ideas.
In order to make the series distinct from the previous Trek series, the producers chose not to include the words "Star Trek" in the title, in an effort to avoid overuse of the brand name and to make Enterprise stand apart from its many forebears. This idea backfired, with many fans rejecting the series—or failing to learn of it—based on this decision alone. Early in the third season, the series title was altered to include the words "Star Trek". Rather than placating fans, this decision instead resulted in accusations of vacillation on the part of the producers and there is little indication that it succeeded in winning viewers.
The production style of the series also led to conflict amongst fans, with some criticizing the series for not replicating the style of the 1960s Original Series, while others praised the show for not going for a 1960s retro look. The production team has stated that their basic aim was to make the Enterprise NX-01 look like a halfway point between a present day nuclear submarine and the starships of later centuries.
Another frequent criticism was that the NX-class hull of the Enterprise looked far too much like the Akira-class 24th century starship introduced in 1996's Star Trek: First Contact. The two designs (NX-01 by Doug Drexler [2], Akira-class by Alex Jaeger [3]) look remarkably similar, to the point that there were widespread accusations that the NX-class hull design was simply a scaled down version of the Akira-design. This led to the fan-buzzword to criticize the "look" of the ship: the "Akira-prise". (It should be noted that the term Akira class has never been mentioned on-screen, though the Akira class nomenclature is used in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, produced by many of the same production and technical staff from that series, and has its own entry and picture in the Star Trek Encyclopedia). Furthermore, it has been noted in some fandom circles that the NX class resembles two other non-canonical vessels, specifically the FASA Role Playing Game Loknar Class and the Calon Riel & Mastercom Data Center Akyazi Class, which could be argued to more closely resemble the NX Class.
Other arguments regarding the NX Class design focus on the Daedalus-class. While an actual Daedalus-class starship has never appeared on screen in any incarnation of Star Trek, the design (which is based on an early Matt Jeffries concept sketch for the TOS Enterprise) has appeared as a desktop model decorating Benjamin Sisko's office on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and was mentioned by name in the NextGen episode " Power Play". Notably, the Olympic-class ship USS Pasteur [4], seen in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode All Good Things..., also possesses a spherical section similar to the Daedalus-class design.
Several episodes of Enterprise attracted criticism, for varying reasons.
The season 2 episode " A Night in Sickbay" was a comedy episode widely derided by critics and Trekkies, although it nonetheless received a Hugo Award nomination and is often cited by the cast as one of their favorite episodes. This episode has often been cited on message boards as the " jumping the shark" episode for fans who chose to abandon Enterprise at this point.
Another season 2 episode, " Regeneration", introduced the Borg and attracted wide criticism over its alleged breaking of continuity (although the previous series Voyager had already established that Starfleet was possibly aware of the Borg before the apparent first contact seen in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode " Q Who?"). Some fans liked the idea of this episode as it explained why the Borg were in the Alpha Quadrant ( The Neutral Zone, The Best of Both Worlds). One criticism was that when the ratings were declining on Voyager, the writers brought in the Borg as a near-weekly villain because they had been very popular in the past. Subsequently, some fans felt that making a Borg episode on Enterprise was an obvious grab for ratings.
The season 2 episode " Stigma" followed the Star Trek tradition of inserting cultural topical discussion under the banner of science fiction. In the episode, Phlox chooses to intervene in order to cure T'Pol from a disease she contracted during a mind meld in a first season episode. It becomes apparent that the Vulcan authorities are willing to cure those 'innocently' infected due to coercion, but not those who chose to engage in 'immoral' practices, a clear allegory to the historically different treatment of homosexual victims of HIV and those who were 'innocently' infected through blood transfusion. The episode was controversial both with fans who were unhappy that a 'family' show was airing issues alluding allegorically to homosexuality, and with those who felt that the producers did not go far enough with the allegory (the episode does not explicitly mention HIV or AIDS although there is a message at the end of the episode). Some also found the episode inconsistent, in that it featured a light-hearted subplot involving casual polygamy. One of the major criticisms, however, was that Star Trek had not done an episode addressing HIV for years, and only made "Stigma" when UPN pressured all of its programs to do an episode discussing the topic that year. Many felt it was too little, too late, and even Rick Berman stated that he felt the episode didn't live up to its potential.
The season 1 episode " Dear Doctor" also raised controversy. In the episode, Phlox chooses not to intervene in order to save a species that is dying from a condition he can reverse. The moral questions raised by the episode divided fans: supporters said that this episode reflected the values of the Prime Directive, a viewpoint supported by dialogue within the episode itself, particularly when Archer muses about a "directive" being created to address such dilemmas. However, other fans felt that this was an inappropriate application of the principles of the Prime Directive, as it effectively doomed an entire species to extinction.
The decision to introduce a romance between T'Pol and Trip Tucker in the third season fanned the flames of criticism, with some critics regarding it as poorly executed or simply unnecessary. Those viewers who enjoyed the relationship countered that the Trip/T'Pol relationship is generally handled better than similar relationships in past Star Trek series. Those who disagree are in two camps: those who feel Star Trek and romance should not mix in any long-term fashion, and those who were dissatisfied with how Enterprise dealt with the subject.
The pairing was also criticized by some fans who felt that such a relationship should instead have been established between T'Pol and Captain Archer, as had been hinted at several times during the first two seasons. T'Pol as a character was a magnet for criticism throughout the series, with complaints being heard regarding her mode of dress, her emotional nature (which the series explicitly established as a major facet of the character), and in particular a third-season story arc in which it was revealed that T'Pol had become addicted to a substance analogous to a drug.
Perhaps the largest point of contention, however, came with the season 2 finale, " The Expanse", which introduced a new species known as the Xindi, who launched a catastrophic attack on Earth that killed millions. This and subsequent events are never mentioned in any other Trek series, something many fans see as questionable, considering the huge impact of the event. Many fans counter this argument, noting that not every event in later series are mentioned in preceding series (e.g. Voyager doesn't often mention events that took place in TOS, TNG and DS9).
It is made clear, however, that the Xindi attack was caused by intervention from the future.
The season also featured controversial morality on the part of Captain Archer, who admits in the episode " Home" to having used torture, and "marooning a ship full of innocent people". This is in contrast to the morality and ethics shown in earlier Trek series.
Like TOS before it (for example Let That Be Your Last Battlefield which dealt with the absurdities of racism), Enterprise attempts to address real world social and political events in a science fiction theme. It was before and during this story arc that the United States began the War on Terrorism because of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center. This story line attempts to capture some of the outrage, frustration, and moral conflicts that many people around the world were experiencing.
The producers of Enterprise were faced with a controversy of another kind with the 2004 episode " Harbinger", which included a love scene in which the top of T'Pol's buttocks were briefly shown. Aside from complaints from some fans that such nudity was inappropriate for Star Trek, the episode was also scheduled to air not long after the Super Bowl XXXVIII controversy in which Janet Jackson exposed a breast on live TV — an event she and network officials claimed was an unplanned " wardrobe malfunction" — leading to an upswing in network self-censorship. As a result, when the episode was finally aired on UPN, the scene was censored. Viewers in Canada, however, saw the uncensored version. Also, the uncensored version appears on the DVD.
Controversy dogged Enterprise to its very conclusion when " These Are the Voyages..." sparked heated debate and arguments over its appropriateness as a finale. Fandom was split among those who felt the episode was a poor conclusion, and others praising it as a fitting conclusion to the 18-year "modern Trek" franchise. Several Enterprise actors were vocal in either their opposition to or their support of the episode.
An ongoing debate among Trekkies is whether the cancellation of this series should mark the end of televised Star Trek. In an ironic twist to the years-long fight to bring Star Trek back to television in the 1970s and 1980s, there are a number of Trekkies who feel that the concept has worn itself out and should either be retired or laid to rest for a number of years.
Although Manny Coto, in April 2005, announced that he was already prepared to pitch a new series idea to Paramount, Enterprise's producers, as well as Paramount itself, have stated that Enterprise will probably be the last Star Trek television series for some years to come, although an 11th Star Trek film is now in the works, to be produced and directed by J. J. Abrams and set for release on Christmas Day 2008. Although work on that project is still in its early stages, the new production has already garnered criticism from some fans similar to that attracted by Enterprise, as widespread rumors emerged in the media that the film might be another prequel. (An early promotional poster for the film prominently featuring the Kirk-era USS Enterprise's emblem. [2] have provided additional fuel for the reboot rumors.) However, Abrams and his writing staff, as of November 2006, have yet to definitively confirm these rumors, although rumors of the movie being a reboot of Star Trek, being set in Starfleet Academy and of Matt Damon being cast as Kirk have all been denied. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EEMeltonIV ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
As may be mentioned in the archives (and what's with all the archiving, BTW?), this article is nothing but fannish complaints about the injustice involved in cancelling the show and all the obstacles this otherwise uncancellable show had to face. In other words, it's an off-topic fannish apologia. At least split that into another article. The only thing relevant to an encyclopedia-type article is 'Show Foo aired from I to J, with a cast of Tom, Dick, and Harry, and produced by Dopey and Sneezy - the season synopses are X, Y, and Z. Done.' I'd tag this with some big whomping tag, but I'm not a wikipedian and don't know what big whomping tag to give it. 74.227.120.238 01:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Should the cast photo be deleted from Wikipedia? Discussion underway at: Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_May_31#Image:StarTrekEnterprise_Cast.jpg Jenolen speak it! 09:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone should mention Balance of Terror in the Contraversy section, particularly Spock's line about the Romulan-Earth War:
"As you may recall, this conflict was fought, by standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels, which allowed no quarter, no captives, nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication."
Now a war seems like something that people would remember, and considering the Archer didn't know about the Romulans at first, that would imply that the war had not yet happened. But if they had view-screens and phasors before the war, then Spock's line makes no sense. 24.222.183.118 17:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I have several issues with some of the facts brought up in the whole "Cancellation" area of this page.
I know about a year or so ago, I tried to edit these different areas, but it seemed that the people from TrekUnited decided that the only real facts were facts favorable to them, and to not let REAL facts get in the way of their "good" publicity.
The Los Angeles Times, TrekWeb and SyFy Portal all reported extensively on the "Enterprise" cancellation and the TrekUnited efforts, but those references seem to be missing from this report -- especially where some of the "facts" included in this listing are actually contradicted.
Here are a list of issues that I have in the "Controversy" thread.
Many fans also reported that they chose to watch UPN's weekend rebroadcasts of the series, which were not counted in the ratings. This led actor Connor Trinneer, in an interview with Starlog magazine, to make the unusual request that fans not watch the weekend replay. Another factor cited for the show/franchise's decline was the fact that, as of 2005, there had been continuous Star Trek production for nearly 18 years, and executive producer Rick Berman in part blamed "franchise fatigue" for the show's poor reception.
There is no reference cited for any of these elements, outside of a mention (uncited) with Starlog magazine.
On May 20, 2004, it was announced that Enterprise had been renewed for a fourth season, but that the show would move from Wednesday to Friday nights (traditionally, Friday nights have been considered 'Death Row' for a major TV production; since most viewers are occupied with social engagements and other non-television activities, the viewing audience isn't likely to be the one the show is intended to draw).
This also is missing citation. Also, there is nothing cited for the "Death Row" comments, or why people don't watch on Friday nights. According to Nielsen Media Research for the most recent television year, 91.35 million people watch primetime on Friday nights. Every other day has between 100 million and 110 million viewers (including Sunday, which includes an extra hour of prime time), but Saturday has just 88 million viewers on average. One could easily argue that Friday nights has certainly changed, as some networks put some programs that are popular with viewers on those nights.
Only days later, however, Hart resigned his position and this, combined with the departure or reassignment of other Star Trek supporters within Paramount and UPN during 2004, placed the future of the series in doubt.
This needs a citation as it seems to be highly speculative.
The ratings also continued to be affected by the "rerun effect" when first-run episodes were rebroadcast over the weekend by UPN affiliates in time slots not registered by Nielsen.
For the record, Nielsen registers ALL time slots. However, reruns are generally not included in first-run airing ratings. This may need to be clarified.
Enterprise fans continued to indicate they chose to watch the weekend showing rather than the Friday broadcast, or chose to "time-shift" the program using their VCR or TiVo equipment.
Needs to be cited.
On April 15, TrekUnited revealed it had joined forces with several Canadian film production companies to put forward a proposal to Paramount that would see further seasons of Enterprise filmed abroad (most likely in Canada) and jointly produced by Paramount and these several unidentified production houses.[25] On April 16, TrekUnited revealed it was Canadian producer Al Vinci who had been negotiating with Paramount Network Television President David Stapf on a co-production with established Canadian motion picture and television producers, backed by US$18 million from private investors.
This entire paragraph has been disputed. The TrekToday story that is used as the source is actually nothing more than a rewrite of a press release issued by TrekUnited with absolutely no additional reporting. In fact, the primary (and only) source of the TrekToday story is TrekUnited.
The LA Times, TrekWeb and SyFy Portal all questioned the credentials of "Al Vinci" or if he even existed, and the latter two sites also disputed that there were any negotiations at all with David Stapf (Story from SciFi Wire, based on the SyFy Portal story, is located here: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=4&id=30877). TrekUnited did dispute the report, citing that it was based on an anonymous source, but before this story was released, "Al Vinci" had NOT revealed the name of the person he was in contact with at Paramount. SyFy Portal DID reveal the name, and the circumstances of the so-called "negotiations," which "Al Vinci" later confirmed was indeed the person he talked to, although denied the circumstances reported by SyFy Portal. "Al Vinci" also claimed that Paramount was going to release the fact they had negotiated with Paramount, but such a release never came, and Paramount officials actually told SyFy Portal there WERE no negotiations.
In May 2005, UPN announced that, starting in the fall, WWE SmackDown!, its longtime professional wrestling series, would move into the same Friday night timeslot vacated by Enterprise, a move coinciding with reports that UPN does not plan to renew its contract with WWE in 2006, bringing to a close another TV franchise. (However, in January 2006, it was announced UPN would merge with The WB to form a new network, CW, and SmackDown! was announced as one of series scheduled for the network's inaugural 2006-2007 season.)
This, like other parts of this section, seems superfluous. SyFyMichael 20:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I for one missed alot of episodes when 1st shown because of being prendted ofr sports. I sure my area wasn't the only one. That couldn't have helped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.199.252.124 ( talk) 23:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if this has already been voiced, but there is so much text, both in Discussion and the main article, that it is hard to filter out the relevant information. Some sections are just too long. 'Theme song' for starters. Yes, the song was not a instrumental theme song, but a pop song. End of story. And then the whole 'Cancellation' section. So much text, writing in detail what happened when. If this were 1969 and we were about to land on the moon, I would say a detailed description of the events would be warranted. It's just the cancellation of a tv show. The show lost more and more viewers, list a few reasons, end of story. Vince 03:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
In the "Darkling" episode from season 3 of voyager, there is a character in the holodeck named T'paul and described as a scientist by the Doctor. Could it be the same character in enterprise ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.200.137.77 ( talk) 09:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I've assessed this article for WP:TV as requested here.
I have rated this article as start class because it is a reasonably comprehensive treatment of the subject but has several major flaws and omissions. I have several suggestions for improving the article:
I have rated the article as low importance because there is little to distinguish it from other articles about television series. These categories are subjective and may be reviewed by any member of WP:TV who feels confident to do so. Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve
good article or
featured article status. I used criteria from the television wikiproject guidelines
here, article about TV series guidelines
here and the assessment guidelines
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Opark 77 15:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
So... it's a pretty big section. We should either trim it way the hell down, or move it to it's own article, because frankly, it has nothing to do with Enterprise that Russell Watson sang a different version at some event somewhere. There's so much non-Enterprise stuff in that section, I feel it needs to go no matter what, but could be made into a decent article about the song in general. Howa0082 ( talk) 04:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I moved some stuff out. It still looks awkward to me, but no longer huge and ungainly, so much happiness all around. Howa0082 ( talk) 04:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
In the "cancellation" section, there's a lot of hurrblurr going on about what fan groups have done (which is nothing) and what people have said (which is close to nothing). I personally don't think it's really needed, at least in the amount of it there is. But, before I go delete-happy, I'm fronting my plan. I want to more or less get rid of it, since I think this article should generally be only about the series itself. Having a self-serving section about a bunch of fans who wanted to raise money and came nowhere near the mark is pointless and kinda fancrufty, really. Now, if they had raised the appropriate amount, but still failed to get a new season, I'd be all "Hey, put that in there, man!" But they didn't. So I'm not. Howa0082 ( talk) 15:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like to say that I'm not in anyway claiming the adding of all these references as mine. If the retrieval dates get changed while I update the templates, feel free to imagine that those are merely verification dates, since I have pretty much been checking each link to see if it works or not anyway. If you feel I've stepped on your toes, fellow contributors, well, I don't actually care, but am giving fair warning. Ta. Howa0082 ( talk) 00:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Upon its review on January 13, 2008, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:
contains cleanup banners including, but not limited to, {{ cleanup}}, {{ wikify}}, {{ NPOV}}, {{ unreferenced}}, etc, or large numbers of {{ fact}}, {{ clarifyme}}, {{ huh}}, or similar tags
thus making it ineligible for good article consideration.
This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria. The tag under "Cancellation" has been there since long before this article was nominated. I also note that even a cursory glance at this article shows lots of uncited facts and sections, not just the "citation needed" tag under "DVD releases", which means this article could not pass as a Good Article even if the tag that this article is being quick-failed for was gone. I suggest ensuring that all facts and sections are properly referenced and cited before renomination. I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far. Cheers, CP 17:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
This is 67.148.120.103 ( talk) 09:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 editing content I typed, I'm not erasing, just changing it, making it shorter. Amidst the ranting and rambling, all I was trying to say was that the show's appeal had much to do with character interaction. I repeatedly said that "Star Trek" was a very "human" show, and much of that has been lost. Additionally, I think I wrote on another discussion page, about part of what made "Star Trek TOS" so popular, was the general atmosphere of its day. I will go ahead and argue, that Gene Rodenberry, not John F. Kennedy, was the one who saved the world from a nuclear holocaust. Star Trek was also popular in Russia; everybody there watched it. A recurring theme of TOS, was how The Enterprise frequently encountered civilizations that DIDN'T make it. Because the cold war was still going on during the first episodes of TNG, that theme permeated many of the early TNG episodes as well.
The theme, is actually more relevant today than ever; the cold war may be gone, but there is talk of "super weapons" that not long ago were science fiction. There are weapons being developed, that are much more powerful than nuclear bombs, as a matter of fact even hydrogen bombs are rapidly becoming obsolete. Nuclear arsenals are still kept, nevertheless, technology, weapons research in the future may prove much more destructive, and that is what Rodenberry was afraid of. In TOS, that is Kirk's Enterprise, many of the planets they encountered destroyed themselves with weapons far more davastating than nuclear bombs, some alien cultures even developed planet wide destruction weapons, and given irresponsible military spending, our own planet is rapidly headed that way. Star Trek may seem irrelevant, but, if Abrams manages to revive the "old" Star Trek, if the movie turns into a pilot, the show's influence is more badly needed. Also, kudos to Abrams for making it even more relevant; the main villain Nero, was a terrorist, his personality was very much that of an angry Palestinian. On Wiki answers I have drawn this comparison before; Jews are like Vulcans, while Arabs are like Romulans. For those of you who know Arabs and Jews, think about what I said; you'll see that I'm right.
This is 67.148.120.103 ( talk) 09:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 editing some old content, it says not to change or edit any content on the archive pages, but I feel that what I typed before had no value, or, at least, it was overly long-winded, more than it had to be. Thanks for your patience.
67.148.120.103 ( talk) 09:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 editing older talk.
206.63.78.85 ( talk) 01:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)stardingo747
This article was recently quick failed and the issues have not been addressed (citation needed tags remain, for example). Additionally, the article has a lot of unreferenced material. The general writing and presentation of the article needs improvement as well. Please take a good look over the good article standards. The Manual of Style and the article writing guide may both be useful in providing guidance towards improvement. Vassyana ( talk) 02:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I am certain that Wikipedia used to have a list of the images used in the opening titles of the program. What happened to it, where can I link to it, and why remove it. GBC ( talk) 05:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I cut out a good deal of content from the 2005 section that was essentially trivial details from a few websites and minor organizations. I've never seen an article so filled with inane, irrelevant details of what happened years ago on minor web sites, we don't need the timeline from every organization that protested the cancellation. Other sections in the article suffer from this trivia bloat as well, but I tried to prune down the worst section as a start.
So were humans the least technologically advanced of the species that founded the Federation? They seem to be technologically inferior to every major race that they've encountered that have survived to later series. Even the Klingons had photon torpedoes before humans even had photonic torpedoes. Is there any information available on when Humans became techological equals because all of those races seemed to be equal by the time of the Original Series. Rajrajmarley ( talk) 14:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Although I really liked the series, the opening showed ONLY USA achievements in the space race. Not one picture about Sputnik or Laika, the first dog in space, or Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space. No Soyuz rockets. No Mir space station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fillosaurus ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind it's hard to get video footage of other country's exploits, confidentiality and all. I remember when TOS went through this and they added Chekov. It's like crying wolf at this point. Star Trek is not racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.6.26 ( talk) 23:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/674.html Original series art director (and avid pilot) Matt Jefferies commented that he chose the "1701" combination of numbers because it was legible from a distance and the numbers wouldn't be confused. Other numbers, like 3, 2 and 5, were not used for this very reason. Also, the extra "C" in "NCC" was a nod to the Russian abbreviation for the old Soviet Union, "CCCP." According to Jefferies, "If we do anything in space, we (Americans and Russians) have to do it together." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.6.26 ( talk) 00:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
...in all the episode synopses that have a Stardate listing. Since there was no such thing as a Stardate yet, it makes more sense to have it as 'inapplicable'. It's a very minor edit, but since I had to do it over about 80 articles... Half Shadow 02:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
The plot summary section needs some improvement.
Feel free to comment, but keep in mind that these suggestions are not meant as a direct attack on anyone (except for that DVD-plot-description guy, because he's always wrong about how much I'll love this movie…). — OranL ( talk) 11:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just seen the chronology edited in the infobox, with the 'followed by' changed to TOS rather than VOY. Is the chronology box supposed to reflect the story timeline, or the production order? ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate ( talk ) 08:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
its production order both here and memory alpha do this but i'm pretty sure you guessed that MrInhibitor ( talk) 04:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This article states: "The first two seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise depict the exploration of interstellar space by the crew of an Earth ship able to go farther and faster than any humans had previously gone, due to the breaking of the Warp barrier, analogous to the Bell X-1 breaking the sound barrier." In Star Trek lore, the "warp barrier" had already been broken long before Enterprise took flight. It's claim to fame was actually to have the first warp 5 engines, supposedly making her more able to practically travel to farther distances in realistic timeframes than any previous Earth vessel. Thus, rather than the Bell X-1, the ship is more analogous to the Bell X-1A or Douglass D-588-2 (there's a name that just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?) which broke the Mach 2 barrier or the Bell X-2 (which broke Mach 3 although the pilot, Milburn Apt, was sadly killed on the same flight). Just as these flights really don't ring down through history (quick what was the first aircraft to break Mach 4), all the talk during the series about how important Enterprise was similarly seemed rather hollow - why weren't we following the exploits of the first ship to travel warp 4 for instance. Of course, the real killer for the show as all of the Xindi crap that tried to hook the show into the War on Terror following 9/11 - they would have done much better talking about the discovering new worlds and civilizations and more clearly connecting the dots on the formation of the Federation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.140 ( talk) 18:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Has wikipedia really reached the point where all they'll allow under "reception" is a perfunctory tally of its ratings? Star Trek is a phenomenon that has always aroused great emotion in both die hard fans and critics alike, is there no room to at least briefly summarize what major television commentators have had to say, or some reference to the public's reaction beyond something so cold and quantitative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.26.248 ( talk) 02:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I came here to read the critical reception of this show, it is usually a good jumping off point to see the views of a detractor and a proponent of the media, sadly this article lacks that completely. The ratings went down, did the show's quality as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.70.64 ( talk) 07:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Thats why I came too... IMHO Scott Bakula was a horrible horrible horrible casting choice and I was wondering if the critics agreed that he was the reason this series was often painful to watch. Puddytang ( talk) 07:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Ratings were in actuality FAR HIGHER than they could have imagined. A hundred million online viewers. Now as the years pass, my show is cut short. The perpetrators should be tried for "cultural crimes", and imprisoned for not less than 20 years hard labor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.234.159 ( talk) 23:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Its in there but im not sure if its spam or not BlackScarabZ ( talk) 14:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
It seems the parenthetical addition of "(which were questioned by some for depicting only American flight and spaceflight advances while omitting historically important incarnations, such as Soviet milestones Sputnik and Vostok 1[28])" is not really needed in this article. The only reference I found about this was the following quote: "TB: Talking about NASA, don't you think some scenes like Gagarin, Mir Space Station or Sputnik are missing from the opening sequence? André Bormanis: It would've been nice to see something from the old Soviet program, which provided so much of the impetus for the American space program."
This doesn't seem to be "questioning" and even if you could interpret it as such it is one sentence in one place, which hardly qualifies as "some". I don't think that injecting statements spun as controversy are needed in an encyclopedia. Is there any objection to removing the quoted section and reference from the article? Iueras ( talk) 08:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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The following seems to be untrue, unverified and unlikely.
"Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 Due To Be Released December 6th 2011. 4 of the 6 main characters have been removed from cast. and are due to be returning, news on this upcoming release is not false. A fan made star trek has also caught the eye of a few people and has been brought to be made into a full time series."
As such, I feel it should be removed from the article. Also, I'm new to editing on WP so if I'm not quite doing this correctly, I apologize. Xerobane 04:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 03:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC).
The interview linked here. Basically just watch the video, clearly stating "Brannon Braga Suggests Netflix Could Bring Star Trek Enterprise Back For Season 5", "The best possible thing the fans could do is, if they want to see another season of Enterprise, is watch it on Netflix…My neighbor produces Arrested Development, and they’re making a new season of Arrested Development. I recall him telling me that it’s because for that show, they know they’re gonna get… they have data! They know a certain number of people are going to watch that show. I’ve heard rumors in town that the CBS show Jericho might get another season, because the numbers on Netflix are big! Watch Enterprise!". -- Ronnie42 ( talk) 02:56, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
At first glance on Netflix the unpopularity of the Xindi story arc had to do with the T'Pol/Tucker relationship. It was forced and contrived to make a calculated and unnecesarry change in the series. Sexing up of Enterprise was mistake to Trekkies because it was out of character for both characters rem486
The article mentions Netflix, and the unpopularity of the Xindi storyline arc. My talkpage reference attempts to encapsulate both with the idea that an as yet unknown reason exists for the disrespect of a perfectly good Star Trek plot line. Actually upon watching even more episodes I'm even more convinced my idea is sound. [rem486]
What part of the Xindi story arc is not a part of the Temporal Cold War storyline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rem486 ( talk • contribs) 13:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I could swear that I watched the very first episode of Enterprise in HDTV from the D.C. area UPN affiliate WDCA.
Could anyone else confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.194.10 ( talk) 03:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think the article goes into whether people (public/critics) liked it or not. It's like an endless stream of text about how many people watched it. Even the Reception section contains 0 information about whether people think it was any good or not. You would think that at least somewhere in the article, something would be mentioned about this. -- 82.170.113.123 ( talk) 01:54, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to add a public thank you to everyone who has copyedited this article since I did a full replacement a few days ago. This version has been sitting in userspace for quite some time, far longer than any other I've ever created in this manner. Because of this I just wasn't seeing any issues with it (and partially I was pretty sick of seeing it in userspace!!). It's far better to have it out here in the open where more eyes can result in a better result, after all that is what Wikipedia is. Miyagawa ( talk) 09:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
The article states, "A website entitled TrekUnited.com was set up to raise funds for a fifth season,[106] but failed to do so with the money refunded after the unsuccessful campaign.[107] A total of $32 million had been raised.[51]". I thought they raised $3.1 million. $32 million sounds like what they needed. The statement has a citation, but the source is a magazine and there is no hyperlink, so I can't check the source. Can anyone else verify what the source says? Nine hundred ninety-nine ( talk) 11:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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The split infinitive "To boldly go . . ." was "corrected" to "To go boldly . . ." by Zefram Cochrane, the Creator of the new warp drive, in the first episode.
I don't know about anyone else, but i really like the theme tune. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.92.67.76 ( talk) 13:20, 1 February 2003
I agree with thee. The first time I heard the opening song it had an emotional impact on me. Despite my general negativity regarding the future of humanity, what with the population crunch upon the ecosystems, various groupings of humans desiring nukes, etc. there is something about the song that causes my soul to stir with hope, hope that we as a species can overcome our troubles and soar like a starship!!! Sniff. Guess I'm just becoming a sentimental old coot.
I don't like it all that much, but never mind... If "Star Trek:" is not part of the series title, shouldn't this article be moved? I'm not very good at thinking up new titles for things, but I can come up with Enterprise (television), Enterprise (series), Enterprise (Star Trek), Enterprise (Star Tek series), and so on... Any suggestions? -- Oliver P. 14:28 Feb 28, 2003 (UTC)
No. Because, as of mid season 3, the title of the series *is* "Star Trek: Enterprise". Redirect pages from other ambig titles are probably the indicated fix. Baylink 03:39, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I love to hate the theme tune.... I think its really cheesy, but I find myself singing along to it! Its got a good hook; even though I totally disagree with the sentiments of having "faith" in technology and mans "strength" of character.
The main weakness of the series is its constant reworking of the "mistrusting alien species." That we humans are the peace makers of the universe, constantly acting as ambassadors and delegating alliances.
This is becoming old and tiered. It makes the thought of Star Trekking tedious and boring. Ok, yes, the series has to cover this in order for the series to fit into the over all theme and history of the Star Trek universe. But its really tedious, and its only the Starship battles that give the series excitement. The aliens are better in appearance, mind you. They look less like a man with a couple of Shitakki mushrooms stuck on his face. : )
But in conclusion.....the series needs to be exciting.
I like the ew theme song as well and I don't think it's patriotic. The scenes being shown while it plays are patriotic but the tune is about personal conviction IMHO.
Wouldn't Enterprise (series) or Enterprise (television series) be a better title? Enterprise is a series not a television after all. -- mav 05:38 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village pump for a more general discussion -- sannse 19:14 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I hadn't heard of Berman and Braga being referred to as "The Disaster Duo" and "The Wonder Twins of Bad Writing." But I think it's an accurate description. Lately, Star Trek is becoming a train wreck of sorts. I can't bear to watch these guys butcher Gene's vision of the future, but at the same time I can't turn away!
The addition of an "Apparent continuity problems" listing is interesting. I made some edits to it, adding explanations and rationalizations. I removed part of one section, however, because it violated NPOV by labelling those who try to justify or explain alleged violations as "rationalizers" which I felt was used in a derogatory sense much as the words "basher" and "gusher" are used to describe those who hate Enterprise and those who don't. I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of the items on the list could be explained either by "rationalizing" (dirty word though that may be), actually watching the source material, or by making a clear definition between fanon and canon references. 23skidoo 03:05, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have moved the Continuity Problems list to Star Trek: Enterprise alleged continuity problems in order to shorten the main article. 23skidoo 19:45, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Some viewers claim that Trip Tucker and George W. Bush share a similar facial appearance
You know, they make a very small reference to MacGyver. Hoshi says, "duck tape and a pocket knife" -- AllyUnion (talk) 14:28, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
As of Feburary 2 2005, Enterprise has been cancelled.
What does "the first Star Trek cancelled" mean? Aren't all shows cancelled when they go off the air? DJ Clayworth 16:26, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
No. Many series are allowed to end by their own planned means. Cancellation means the series was ended by corporate executives who don't think a show is pulling in enough ratings. The Original Series was cancelled for poor ratings. The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager ended by their own planned means. Enterprise was cancelled by the network for poor ratings. It is said that the Star Trek franchise is suffering from "franchise fatique". I think it's a result of fans who keep griping about the show not going the way they want it to, citing that it strayed from canon or "Gene's Vision". That's really lame. Half of what older Star Trek fans take into account for their own personal Star Trek chronology is what is written in many campy Star Trek novels. If we went by the novels, we'd still be calling NCC-1701 a "constellation" class starship instead of a "constitution" class. Mirlin 03:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Some anonymous users seem to have a vendetta against any pro-Enterprise links in the External Links section. Several times now I've had to revert edits that deleted legitimate links related to the show. 23skidoo 21:11, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I *DID* ask, when I reverted back in links that no one had had any problems with before the show got cancelled, that we *not* have an r-war on them. Do I need to go get an admin, and start spanking people, or can we just admit that the links are pertinent to people interested in the topic of the page, and quit taking them out? Clearly, there's need for further discussions, and, IIRC, the proper protocol in such situations is "leave the original state of the page during discussions." -- Baylink 03:06, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Kill Enterprise is more than simply "one paragraph". That's just the first page. It does also have a forum. The layout for the Kill Enterprise site is very simple, but it's still valid. The link to that site should be reposted, and BTW the "Enterprise Fans" link simply leads to the "Save Enterprise" site, which means two links are to the exact same site. The "Enterprise Fans" link should be removed and the "Kill Enterprise" link added. 81.153.215.57
Yes, the site has been slightly altered. The Kill Enterprise forum is now here:
Kill Enterprise. That is the new link.
81.153.215.57
Content - How much depth and / or breadth does the page offer. Is it comprehensive or is it only of interest for a significantly small number of people. Is it citing a source?
I'll tell you why the link to Kill Enterprise should be added. To provide a sense of balance. Three links are featured under the title "fan sites", so if those are posted, why not Kill Enterprise? It does provide an opposing view to the three sites which support the campaign to save and fund the show. The members on that site are also Star Trek fans and the site is related to the TV show "Enterprise" so it should be added. 81.153.215.57
I've made no attempt to add it again. I've vandalised nothing. I don't believe it's any more vain or self-promoting than the Save Enterprise or Trek United sites. It's not just about wanting the show to remain cancelled. Kill Enterprise offers an opposing view to the funding campaigns since any such dissent is removed from the SE and TU sites. The link to the petition has been added (not by me), so why not add the forum link? Since it expands on some of the reasons why people are signing that petition. Would it really hurt you or anyone else to have the Kill Enterprise link added?. The campaign to save and fund that show is still ongoing, so the opposing view should also be mentioned on the link section because not every fan feels the same way about the show and the campaign. 81.153.215.57
If "Kill Enterprise" is not added to the link list, then "Save Enterprise" and "Trek United" (which is simply an off-shoot of "Save Enterprise" anyway) should not be included either. They are merely fan sites for that show, whereas "Kill Enterprise" is a site which opposes what they are trying to do. They are not connected to the show itself. There is nothing notable about those two sites either if you use that argument for "Kill Enterprise". What does it matter to me? Nothing, and I do realise this is an encyclopedia, but if you (not you personally) post links to site which represent one segment of the fan "community" then a link to a site representing opinions of the opposing segment should also be posted. It would not be much effort to simply place a link to the "Kill Enterprise" forum under the title "Other" like the petition has been posted. Then, once the entire campaign to save and fund the show is over, then they can all be removed if necessary. 81.153.215.57
"Kill Enterprise" has not been discontinued, it is still a functioning website. The message on the first page refers to the fact the original purpose of the site has been accomplished. But a new purpose has emerged. That being to counter the "save and fund" sites and I have proven that WITH A DIRECT LINK showing that discussions are still taking place. "Kill Enterprise" is still there to offer a option for those who do not agree with the "Save Enterprise" and "Trek United" campaigns and as such the new link I provided SHOULD be added to the link list. Once their campaign is over, THEN the "Kill Enterprise" link, along with the "SE/TU" links will serve no further purpose and can be deleted. Listen, if an Admin comes on here and says "The links can't be altered or changed" then I'll accept that with no further protest or discussion, and I haven't touched the article or links at all since the "Kill Enterprise" link was removed. I'm just offering an opinion. You do indeed mention "Kill Enterprise's" new role, but there's no link to the new "Kill Enterprise" forum. That's all I ask. The new role of that site comes DIRECTLY from the old one, but it still relates to "Star Trek Enterprise". 81.153.215.57
I just did yet another revert, except this time the nameless poster got snarky about it and had replaced all the fan sites with non-fan sites. Does anyone know if it is possible to lock just the links section, preventing any further edits, but leave the rest of the article open for editing (especially in light of some drive-by user plopping a "clean up" tag on it)? 23skidoo 16:21, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Blocked for a while. Erasing links and replacing them with anti-Enterprise links is vandalism, simple as that. silsor 19:48, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)
There are several statements that need sources to back them up. Such as:
and
Otherwise they need to be deleted. Cburnett 06:47, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Restored the link for the Braga challenge. Don't think we need the actual quote though. This is getting off-topic, but I think there is very good reason to have a 32kb limit. When people ignore the 32kb limit you end up with long rambling articles like Mozilla Firefox, which I'm sure just puts people off. I'm interested in the subject but I can't even be arsed to read all that. AlistairMcMillan 01:16, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Early rumors regarding the finale are coming out on the various Internet chat boards, and some of the details are reportedly causing controversy (but then this series has never been able to burp without people getting up in arms about it). I'd like to suggest, however, that such spoilers not be included in this article for the time being, since there are many rumors abounding and things could get a bit nasty. I think we're OK with mentioning the speculation about Riker and Troi appearing, but other rumors regarding the regular characters, etc. should be held back for now. As an alternative, I recommend those wishing to post spoiler-related information about the last episode do so by starting the article on the episode itself (see the List of Star Trek: Enterprise episodes article for a redlink to the as-yet unwritten article). I'd hold off until we're certain about the title. Right now it is either "There Are the Voyages" or "These Are the Voyages ..." with an ellipse at the end. Thoughts? 23skidoo 22:11, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Since Paramount has now confirmed elements of the final episode (guest stars, for example), I think it's safe to start a finale subsection. I put a spoiler warning up, but we should keep an eye on this to make sure detailed spoilers don't start appearing. Or, for that matter, snide remarks. I considered adding the fact that the episode has been criticized already, in particular with Blalock being quoted as calling it "appalling" but none of the coverage I have seen in regular media has suggested why Blalock thinks it's appalling. Unless someone can find an article in which she itemizes what she doesn't like about the episode, or if a published source (rather than Internet rumor or bash vs. gush argument) can be found discussing the episode, I suggest we leave it out until such sources actually become available. There will be plenty after May 13. 23skidoo 19:38, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Waiting for User:Alexwcovington to come and explain what needs cleaned up. Cburnett 16:33, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The article is a lot more long-winded than the articles for the other Star Trek series, and there's a lot of current events coverage, speculation, and whatnot that seems to have been accreting to the article. Mostly it's a time consideration - someone will have to go through and condense out a lot of stuff, and I'd prefer if that were someone who was following the article more closely than I have. Even the talk page is cluttered and needs archiving -- Alexwcovington ( talk) 00:29, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now that Paramount says the cancellation is final (though I really think they'd change their minds if offered a billion or two to do it), what should be done with the respective section? Nothing? Just fueling some discussion now that it *is* over and done with. Cburnett 23:33, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
The spoiler box looks awful in Firefox, FYI. It's because of the images. Personally I'd rather have the regular Template:Spoiler. It's less obtrusive and if reading back and forth between what is deemed as a spoiler and what isn't, then things need to be better organized with perhaps a reduction in spoilers. For a television show, perhaps breaking the section up by season would solve this. If I've seen Seasons 1 and 2, I might not read for fear of treading into Season 3 etc. Just a thought. K1Bond007 01:00, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)
The Boston link could do with updating to point to the appropriate Boston article, but I'm not sure which it is. -- John 23:27, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
IMHO, these two sections need to be merged now that it has been aired. I don't see a real reason to have an entire section devoted to it when theres an entire article devoted to it. Theres no section for All Good Things, What You Leave Behind... (+whatever else) on their articles. K1Bond007 02:18, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
OK, I get it. Some people loved the finale (I certainly did) while others hated it. Regardless, Wikipedia is not a forum for reviewing this episode. Please keep POV out of it. Thanks. 23skidoo 02:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
It may be best to make all contraversies a seperate article. -- Cool Cat My Talk 23:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
These are the voyages info belongs to these are the voyages episode info article. -- Cool Cat My Talk 23:56, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In a recent interview, Brannon Braga discussed how the atmosphere of science fiction has changed since 9/11 (this with regards to his new series, Threshold). I have read in several places that the relative failure of Enterprise has been blamed on the changes in the emotional climate of America following 9/11, and the fact ENT didn't address this until the third season was cited as a reason why people didn't like the series. Indeed, one thing Trek has never had and ENT certainly never had, was irony - and this is what has permeated science fiction and TV shows in general since 9/11. The closest thing Trek came to doing this before 9/11 was in the introduction of Section 31 in DS9 which was wildly controversial if you'll recall. Anyway, the reason why I'm mentioning all this is I think a discussion of the effect of 9/11 on ENT should be added to the article, because there's no denying there was an effect and it may or may not have been a contributing factor in its inability to gain an audience. However I cannot provide sources at this time, and to add the section without sources would probably violate both NPOV and the No Original Research rules. But I thought I'd propose it here in case anyone else can provide sources with which we can begin the section. I have heard second-hand that Joss Whedon has basically said as much, but again I can't provide a source so it's heresay otherwise. 23skidoo 17:07, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
When Enterprise was cancelled, a lot of fans (me included) predicted that UPN would be dead within a year. A lot of that was just knee-jerk reaction. But guess what -- UPN is going to cease operations in the spring! Apparently CBS and WB have signed a surprise deal that will create a new network combining UPN and The WB. See this link. I guess our predictions turned out to be correct after all (and yes I know this isn't a result of Star Trek going off TV -- at least one assumes not -- but still...) 23skidoo 16:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I can't think of where else to ask this. You know that episode where they found that spaceship that was bigger on the inside than on the outside? The question is, is that a real thing, like the Dyson Sphere? Did someone somewhere at some time postulate about a thing that could have more interior space than the exterior appearance would suggest? Thanks! -- Bobcat 18:07, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
A good place to send your question is
Nitcentral
This site is a very large set of discussion boards started by the person who wrote the Star Trek Nitpicker's Guides.
I have another question which I hope isn't stupid, but I wonder about the syndicated reruns. The local stations have been showing the same episodes from the fourth season repeatedly, some more often than others, and there are about seven episodes which have not been shown at all. I realize Paramount decides which episodes will be shown on a particular weekend. But what they're doing just seems strange. Has anyone at Paramount commented on this?
Instead of having a section only on the theme song controversy, why not just have a section dedicated to the entire opening segment?
Does anyone have a link to a webpage or other source that discusses the fan campaign re:Excelsior? I've heard everything from it being a flat out rumor to, as noted in a recent edit, an organized fan campaign. It would be helpful for the sake of NPOV and accuracy to have a source for this one way or the other. 23skidoo 02:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Once in awhile the rumor pops up that a body double was used for T'Pol's love scene in Harbinger. But the only place I've ever seen that mentioned is on BBS discussion forums. Blalock has certainly bared her backside for film cameras before (see Diamond Hunters) so I personally don't see why she'd need a double unless she has a big Angelina Jolie tattoo back there or something. I echo the edit summary - can anyone provide a source that a body double was used for the scene? 23skidoo 04:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more appropriate for the image to be that of the title sequence for the series rather than that of its starship? I presume there's already an article on the NX-class already, and if not, then on Ex Astris Scientia.. DrWho42 04:48, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Be prepared to retool this section a bit as it seems the continuity problems article is about to be deleted at WP:AFD. 23skidoo 18:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually the displayed criticism of "Dear Doctor" states (arguable) opinions for facts. It claims the writers misunderstood evolution theory without pointing out the actual misunderstanding and how that contradicts evolution. Furthermore it compares compares Phlox's action with the eugenic programs of the 30s or not treating inherited (diseases) such as diabetes. That however is is rather questionable claim, since the episode is about about 2 different (potentially competing) species on a different planet and phlox decides not to intervene on the behalf of any of them (as a precursor/his personal version of later is supposed to become the prime directive).The eugenics scenario differs from that as it takes place within a species and is without 2 competing groups. It is about putting (questionable) group advantages over the well being or life of an (unfortunate) individual, which is not really related to Phlox situation at all.
Since I've watched maybe 40 episodes of Star Trek across the entire series, I'm not going to be the one to touch it. But I just wanted to point out that the cast section has an error; the ending of the cast section and the rest of the article has been accidentally stuffed into the Core Cast table. Arrow 23:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
In case anyone is curious what I meant in my recent edit by referring to footage cut from the -premiere of Voyager, I was referring to the footage of Genevieve Bujold as Janeway. 23skidoo 23:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I remember reading an article from TrekToday concerning what Manny Coto would have wanted for Star Trek: Enterprise's 5th season.. Would that be good to insert into this article? DrWho42 05:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be a fine addition - if nothing else could be in a trivia area if folks don't think it's worthy enough for it's own section on the page (which I think it is). Dopefish 06:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this [1] being used on the article? I dont remember that ever being used on screen. MatthewFenton ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
"In May 2005, UPN announced starting in the fall, WWE SmackDown!, its longtime professional wrestling series, would move into the same Friday night timeslot vacated by Enterprise, a move coinciding with reports that UPN does not plan to renew its contract with WWE in 2006, bringing to a close another TV franchise. (However, in January 2006, it was announced UPN would merge with The WB to form a new network, CW, and SmackDown! was announced as one of series scheduled for the network's inaugural 2006-2007 season.)" -I'm afraid I don't understand how this has importance to Star Trek, and should be deleted.
"the first Star Trek series to be produced on digital video [2]" - TNG, DS9 and Voyager were all shot on 35mm film, but the post-production was done on digital video for the majority of these series (I think the first 3 seasons or so of TNG were done on analogue video). So, should this line be removed from the article? I say yes. Davhorn 13:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
"Dear Doctor" was not a controversial episode. Every online critic loved it. Critics were constantly pointing to it and going "why aren't more episodes like this one"?--->In short, I think NPOV rules are being violated: one or two wikipedians disliked the episodes scientific basis (which was only in the backround to support the ethical point of the episode) or disagreed with it, and keep saying it "divided" fans. I was on practically every major messageboard during the run, read every critic obsessively: I saw no evidence of widespread fan polarization over this. Wikipedia is based on evidence: can anyone provide *evidence*, that this was controversial? Otherwise one or two people that didn't like it are beating a dead horse and violating NPOV. I'm formally asking for a vote or administrator arbitration to finally settle this.
There's a whole paragraph, more or less, on the Kill Enterprise movement--a movement which existed almost exclusively within the boundaries of the StarTrek.com message boards (Sinister Six, anyone?), and which can no longer be found through a simple Google search for "Kill Enterprise", mostly because their main website, JMSTrek.org, had seven members (one of whom was me, and I was only there to keep an eye on them), existed, towards the end, almost exclusively as a reaction against the [www.TrekUnited.com TrekUnited] movement, and went totally inactive weeks before the series actually ended. So, on grounds of notability, I propose that all mention of the Kill Enterprise movement be excised from the paragraph about the future of Star Trek. -- BCSWowbagger 21:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
The page as it stands is absolutely saturated with weasel words and unsourced statements. I started added necessary cite tags but eventually lost the will to live, there are so many instances where the supposed opinions of unspecified and unreferenced people like "Some fans..." or "Many critics..." are used to make points. Reliable sources, which do not include message board postings, must be found or much of the article should be culled. Yikes.-- Nalvage 12:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, there are too many weasel words. And I think the whole section titled 'Controversy' can be deleted too. The apparent opinions of anonymous individuals on some chat room are totally irrelevant to an encyclopedia. Vince 02:12, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Here's an example: "...indicating a desire by the producers to leave behind the stigma that Star Trek had accrued[citation needed]."
Can't an author make such a mild and reasonable assumption without being called to task for a citation? I think most people would agree that this is an "indication" not a clear statement of intention. You have to grant contributors a small measure of personal observation, otherwise these pages will become as dry and sterile as a scientific paper. Landroo 17:24, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Star Trek Enterprise on Itunes Okay was I the only one who saw Star Trek Enterprise on Itunes? I can't find it now. Camsg12 17:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
A new noticeboard, Wikipedia:Fiction noticeboard, has been created. - Peregrine Fisher 18:10, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
For so much controversy, there's only one reference to an interview to backup the assertions here. Much of this content also wanders into sheer irrelevance. It's also laden with synthesis and OR. Restore in part or in while if you can offer a substantiating published, secondary citation for the material here. -- EEMeltonIV 15:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Enterprise arguably polarized the Trek fan community and two "factions" emerged within fandom, particularly on the many Internet message boards devoted to the Star Trek franchise (Enterprise was the first Trek series to debut following the rise in popularity of online chat rooms and forums). Initially, the term "Gushers" was used to describe fans who enjoyed the series, while "Bashers" was applied to Trekkers who did not like the show. Each group tends to object to these titles. As the series progressed, the terms were modified to refer usually to only the extreme fans on both sides—i.e. "gushers" was used for those who rejected any criticism of Enterprise, and "bashers" for those who hated the show and refused to be swayed—although in the wake of the show's cancellation the original definitions appear to be reestablishing themselves on Internet discussion boards such as TrekWeb and TrekBBS.
Many Trekkies were upset by the very concept of Enterprise, a prequel to such a well-known and continuity-tight franchise, because it violated the canon which had been established in previous series and movies. Brannon Braga, executive producer of the series, has gone on record as challenging the fans who make such claims to prove them; however, Braga does admit to having "bent" the rules. [1]
Critics have condemned what they see as Enterprise's attempts to rewrite the history of the various Star Trek series, by returning to things Kirk and Picard had done and claiming that the NX-01 crew did them "first" (such as encountering genetically-engineered supermen, encountering the Romulans face to face, and fighting the Borg). A subtle attempt to answer this was made in 4th season episode Demons, when it was suggested that a minister in the Earth government might attempt to write Enterprise out of history, in order to claim all credit for the formation of the Coalition of Planets (a predecessor to the United Federation of Planets).
Previous series had stated that James T. Kirk's U.S.S. Enterprise (NCC-1701), as seen in the original Star Trek series, was the first starship to bear that name: this was evidenced by displays on Enterprises both in Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Trek: The Next Generation, the Deep Space Nine episode " Trials and Tribble-ations" (in which Sisko refers to Kirk's ship as the "first" Enterprise), among others. The producers of Enterprise have evaded this criticism by saying that Archer's ship was not a Federation starship, and thus doesn't count. It is worth noting that Sisko's statement is itself contradicted by a display Star Trek: The Motion Picture which shows vessels named Enterprise that predate Kirk's ship, including a starship that appears to predate the NX-01 (actually a Matt Jefferies spaceship sketch for a TV series that was never produced).
Others were upset that a fan-campaign (endorsed by actor George Takei) arguing that the new Trek series should focus on "Original Series" veteran Captain Hikaru Sulu and the crew of the USS Excelsior (featured in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country) failed to influence Paramount management, including the Berman / Braga executive production team.
The critically-panned final seasons of Voyager, and the fact that the same production team responsible for those seasons (Berman and Braga) would be responsible for producing and writing Enterprise was a source of some concern among long-time fans of the Trek franchise, who saw later Voyager seasons as being devoid of fresh ideas.
In order to make the series distinct from the previous Trek series, the producers chose not to include the words "Star Trek" in the title, in an effort to avoid overuse of the brand name and to make Enterprise stand apart from its many forebears. This idea backfired, with many fans rejecting the series—or failing to learn of it—based on this decision alone. Early in the third season, the series title was altered to include the words "Star Trek". Rather than placating fans, this decision instead resulted in accusations of vacillation on the part of the producers and there is little indication that it succeeded in winning viewers.
The production style of the series also led to conflict amongst fans, with some criticizing the series for not replicating the style of the 1960s Original Series, while others praised the show for not going for a 1960s retro look. The production team has stated that their basic aim was to make the Enterprise NX-01 look like a halfway point between a present day nuclear submarine and the starships of later centuries.
Another frequent criticism was that the NX-class hull of the Enterprise looked far too much like the Akira-class 24th century starship introduced in 1996's Star Trek: First Contact. The two designs (NX-01 by Doug Drexler [2], Akira-class by Alex Jaeger [3]) look remarkably similar, to the point that there were widespread accusations that the NX-class hull design was simply a scaled down version of the Akira-design. This led to the fan-buzzword to criticize the "look" of the ship: the "Akira-prise". (It should be noted that the term Akira class has never been mentioned on-screen, though the Akira class nomenclature is used in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual, produced by many of the same production and technical staff from that series, and has its own entry and picture in the Star Trek Encyclopedia). Furthermore, it has been noted in some fandom circles that the NX class resembles two other non-canonical vessels, specifically the FASA Role Playing Game Loknar Class and the Calon Riel & Mastercom Data Center Akyazi Class, which could be argued to more closely resemble the NX Class.
Other arguments regarding the NX Class design focus on the Daedalus-class. While an actual Daedalus-class starship has never appeared on screen in any incarnation of Star Trek, the design (which is based on an early Matt Jeffries concept sketch for the TOS Enterprise) has appeared as a desktop model decorating Benjamin Sisko's office on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and was mentioned by name in the NextGen episode " Power Play". Notably, the Olympic-class ship USS Pasteur [4], seen in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode All Good Things..., also possesses a spherical section similar to the Daedalus-class design.
Several episodes of Enterprise attracted criticism, for varying reasons.
The season 2 episode " A Night in Sickbay" was a comedy episode widely derided by critics and Trekkies, although it nonetheless received a Hugo Award nomination and is often cited by the cast as one of their favorite episodes. This episode has often been cited on message boards as the " jumping the shark" episode for fans who chose to abandon Enterprise at this point.
Another season 2 episode, " Regeneration", introduced the Borg and attracted wide criticism over its alleged breaking of continuity (although the previous series Voyager had already established that Starfleet was possibly aware of the Borg before the apparent first contact seen in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode " Q Who?"). Some fans liked the idea of this episode as it explained why the Borg were in the Alpha Quadrant ( The Neutral Zone, The Best of Both Worlds). One criticism was that when the ratings were declining on Voyager, the writers brought in the Borg as a near-weekly villain because they had been very popular in the past. Subsequently, some fans felt that making a Borg episode on Enterprise was an obvious grab for ratings.
The season 2 episode " Stigma" followed the Star Trek tradition of inserting cultural topical discussion under the banner of science fiction. In the episode, Phlox chooses to intervene in order to cure T'Pol from a disease she contracted during a mind meld in a first season episode. It becomes apparent that the Vulcan authorities are willing to cure those 'innocently' infected due to coercion, but not those who chose to engage in 'immoral' practices, a clear allegory to the historically different treatment of homosexual victims of HIV and those who were 'innocently' infected through blood transfusion. The episode was controversial both with fans who were unhappy that a 'family' show was airing issues alluding allegorically to homosexuality, and with those who felt that the producers did not go far enough with the allegory (the episode does not explicitly mention HIV or AIDS although there is a message at the end of the episode). Some also found the episode inconsistent, in that it featured a light-hearted subplot involving casual polygamy. One of the major criticisms, however, was that Star Trek had not done an episode addressing HIV for years, and only made "Stigma" when UPN pressured all of its programs to do an episode discussing the topic that year. Many felt it was too little, too late, and even Rick Berman stated that he felt the episode didn't live up to its potential.
The season 1 episode " Dear Doctor" also raised controversy. In the episode, Phlox chooses not to intervene in order to save a species that is dying from a condition he can reverse. The moral questions raised by the episode divided fans: supporters said that this episode reflected the values of the Prime Directive, a viewpoint supported by dialogue within the episode itself, particularly when Archer muses about a "directive" being created to address such dilemmas. However, other fans felt that this was an inappropriate application of the principles of the Prime Directive, as it effectively doomed an entire species to extinction.
The decision to introduce a romance between T'Pol and Trip Tucker in the third season fanned the flames of criticism, with some critics regarding it as poorly executed or simply unnecessary. Those viewers who enjoyed the relationship countered that the Trip/T'Pol relationship is generally handled better than similar relationships in past Star Trek series. Those who disagree are in two camps: those who feel Star Trek and romance should not mix in any long-term fashion, and those who were dissatisfied with how Enterprise dealt with the subject.
The pairing was also criticized by some fans who felt that such a relationship should instead have been established between T'Pol and Captain Archer, as had been hinted at several times during the first two seasons. T'Pol as a character was a magnet for criticism throughout the series, with complaints being heard regarding her mode of dress, her emotional nature (which the series explicitly established as a major facet of the character), and in particular a third-season story arc in which it was revealed that T'Pol had become addicted to a substance analogous to a drug.
Perhaps the largest point of contention, however, came with the season 2 finale, " The Expanse", which introduced a new species known as the Xindi, who launched a catastrophic attack on Earth that killed millions. This and subsequent events are never mentioned in any other Trek series, something many fans see as questionable, considering the huge impact of the event. Many fans counter this argument, noting that not every event in later series are mentioned in preceding series (e.g. Voyager doesn't often mention events that took place in TOS, TNG and DS9).
It is made clear, however, that the Xindi attack was caused by intervention from the future.
The season also featured controversial morality on the part of Captain Archer, who admits in the episode " Home" to having used torture, and "marooning a ship full of innocent people". This is in contrast to the morality and ethics shown in earlier Trek series.
Like TOS before it (for example Let That Be Your Last Battlefield which dealt with the absurdities of racism), Enterprise attempts to address real world social and political events in a science fiction theme. It was before and during this story arc that the United States began the War on Terrorism because of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center. This story line attempts to capture some of the outrage, frustration, and moral conflicts that many people around the world were experiencing.
The producers of Enterprise were faced with a controversy of another kind with the 2004 episode " Harbinger", which included a love scene in which the top of T'Pol's buttocks were briefly shown. Aside from complaints from some fans that such nudity was inappropriate for Star Trek, the episode was also scheduled to air not long after the Super Bowl XXXVIII controversy in which Janet Jackson exposed a breast on live TV — an event she and network officials claimed was an unplanned " wardrobe malfunction" — leading to an upswing in network self-censorship. As a result, when the episode was finally aired on UPN, the scene was censored. Viewers in Canada, however, saw the uncensored version. Also, the uncensored version appears on the DVD.
Controversy dogged Enterprise to its very conclusion when " These Are the Voyages..." sparked heated debate and arguments over its appropriateness as a finale. Fandom was split among those who felt the episode was a poor conclusion, and others praising it as a fitting conclusion to the 18-year "modern Trek" franchise. Several Enterprise actors were vocal in either their opposition to or their support of the episode.
An ongoing debate among Trekkies is whether the cancellation of this series should mark the end of televised Star Trek. In an ironic twist to the years-long fight to bring Star Trek back to television in the 1970s and 1980s, there are a number of Trekkies who feel that the concept has worn itself out and should either be retired or laid to rest for a number of years.
Although Manny Coto, in April 2005, announced that he was already prepared to pitch a new series idea to Paramount, Enterprise's producers, as well as Paramount itself, have stated that Enterprise will probably be the last Star Trek television series for some years to come, although an 11th Star Trek film is now in the works, to be produced and directed by J. J. Abrams and set for release on Christmas Day 2008. Although work on that project is still in its early stages, the new production has already garnered criticism from some fans similar to that attracted by Enterprise, as widespread rumors emerged in the media that the film might be another prequel. (An early promotional poster for the film prominently featuring the Kirk-era USS Enterprise's emblem. [2] have provided additional fuel for the reboot rumors.) However, Abrams and his writing staff, as of November 2006, have yet to definitively confirm these rumors, although rumors of the movie being a reboot of Star Trek, being set in Starfleet Academy and of Matt Damon being cast as Kirk have all been denied. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EEMeltonIV ( talk • contribs) 15:38, 13 May 2007 (UTC).
As may be mentioned in the archives (and what's with all the archiving, BTW?), this article is nothing but fannish complaints about the injustice involved in cancelling the show and all the obstacles this otherwise uncancellable show had to face. In other words, it's an off-topic fannish apologia. At least split that into another article. The only thing relevant to an encyclopedia-type article is 'Show Foo aired from I to J, with a cast of Tom, Dick, and Harry, and produced by Dopey and Sneezy - the season synopses are X, Y, and Z. Done.' I'd tag this with some big whomping tag, but I'm not a wikipedian and don't know what big whomping tag to give it. 74.227.120.238 01:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Should the cast photo be deleted from Wikipedia? Discussion underway at: Wikipedia:Images_and_media_for_deletion/2007_May_31#Image:StarTrekEnterprise_Cast.jpg Jenolen speak it! 09:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Someone should mention Balance of Terror in the Contraversy section, particularly Spock's line about the Romulan-Earth War:
"As you may recall, this conflict was fought, by standards today, with primitive atomic weapons and in primitive space vessels, which allowed no quarter, no captives, nor was there even ship-to-ship visual communication."
Now a war seems like something that people would remember, and considering the Archer didn't know about the Romulans at first, that would imply that the war had not yet happened. But if they had view-screens and phasors before the war, then Spock's line makes no sense. 24.222.183.118 17:33, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I have several issues with some of the facts brought up in the whole "Cancellation" area of this page.
I know about a year or so ago, I tried to edit these different areas, but it seemed that the people from TrekUnited decided that the only real facts were facts favorable to them, and to not let REAL facts get in the way of their "good" publicity.
The Los Angeles Times, TrekWeb and SyFy Portal all reported extensively on the "Enterprise" cancellation and the TrekUnited efforts, but those references seem to be missing from this report -- especially where some of the "facts" included in this listing are actually contradicted.
Here are a list of issues that I have in the "Controversy" thread.
Many fans also reported that they chose to watch UPN's weekend rebroadcasts of the series, which were not counted in the ratings. This led actor Connor Trinneer, in an interview with Starlog magazine, to make the unusual request that fans not watch the weekend replay. Another factor cited for the show/franchise's decline was the fact that, as of 2005, there had been continuous Star Trek production for nearly 18 years, and executive producer Rick Berman in part blamed "franchise fatigue" for the show's poor reception.
There is no reference cited for any of these elements, outside of a mention (uncited) with Starlog magazine.
On May 20, 2004, it was announced that Enterprise had been renewed for a fourth season, but that the show would move from Wednesday to Friday nights (traditionally, Friday nights have been considered 'Death Row' for a major TV production; since most viewers are occupied with social engagements and other non-television activities, the viewing audience isn't likely to be the one the show is intended to draw).
This also is missing citation. Also, there is nothing cited for the "Death Row" comments, or why people don't watch on Friday nights. According to Nielsen Media Research for the most recent television year, 91.35 million people watch primetime on Friday nights. Every other day has between 100 million and 110 million viewers (including Sunday, which includes an extra hour of prime time), but Saturday has just 88 million viewers on average. One could easily argue that Friday nights has certainly changed, as some networks put some programs that are popular with viewers on those nights.
Only days later, however, Hart resigned his position and this, combined with the departure or reassignment of other Star Trek supporters within Paramount and UPN during 2004, placed the future of the series in doubt.
This needs a citation as it seems to be highly speculative.
The ratings also continued to be affected by the "rerun effect" when first-run episodes were rebroadcast over the weekend by UPN affiliates in time slots not registered by Nielsen.
For the record, Nielsen registers ALL time slots. However, reruns are generally not included in first-run airing ratings. This may need to be clarified.
Enterprise fans continued to indicate they chose to watch the weekend showing rather than the Friday broadcast, or chose to "time-shift" the program using their VCR or TiVo equipment.
Needs to be cited.
On April 15, TrekUnited revealed it had joined forces with several Canadian film production companies to put forward a proposal to Paramount that would see further seasons of Enterprise filmed abroad (most likely in Canada) and jointly produced by Paramount and these several unidentified production houses.[25] On April 16, TrekUnited revealed it was Canadian producer Al Vinci who had been negotiating with Paramount Network Television President David Stapf on a co-production with established Canadian motion picture and television producers, backed by US$18 million from private investors.
This entire paragraph has been disputed. The TrekToday story that is used as the source is actually nothing more than a rewrite of a press release issued by TrekUnited with absolutely no additional reporting. In fact, the primary (and only) source of the TrekToday story is TrekUnited.
The LA Times, TrekWeb and SyFy Portal all questioned the credentials of "Al Vinci" or if he even existed, and the latter two sites also disputed that there were any negotiations at all with David Stapf (Story from SciFi Wire, based on the SyFy Portal story, is located here: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=4&id=30877). TrekUnited did dispute the report, citing that it was based on an anonymous source, but before this story was released, "Al Vinci" had NOT revealed the name of the person he was in contact with at Paramount. SyFy Portal DID reveal the name, and the circumstances of the so-called "negotiations," which "Al Vinci" later confirmed was indeed the person he talked to, although denied the circumstances reported by SyFy Portal. "Al Vinci" also claimed that Paramount was going to release the fact they had negotiated with Paramount, but such a release never came, and Paramount officials actually told SyFy Portal there WERE no negotiations.
In May 2005, UPN announced that, starting in the fall, WWE SmackDown!, its longtime professional wrestling series, would move into the same Friday night timeslot vacated by Enterprise, a move coinciding with reports that UPN does not plan to renew its contract with WWE in 2006, bringing to a close another TV franchise. (However, in January 2006, it was announced UPN would merge with The WB to form a new network, CW, and SmackDown! was announced as one of series scheduled for the network's inaugural 2006-2007 season.)
This, like other parts of this section, seems superfluous. SyFyMichael 20:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
I for one missed alot of episodes when 1st shown because of being prendted ofr sports. I sure my area wasn't the only one. That couldn't have helped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.199.252.124 ( talk) 23:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if this has already been voiced, but there is so much text, both in Discussion and the main article, that it is hard to filter out the relevant information. Some sections are just too long. 'Theme song' for starters. Yes, the song was not a instrumental theme song, but a pop song. End of story. And then the whole 'Cancellation' section. So much text, writing in detail what happened when. If this were 1969 and we were about to land on the moon, I would say a detailed description of the events would be warranted. It's just the cancellation of a tv show. The show lost more and more viewers, list a few reasons, end of story. Vince 03:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
In the "Darkling" episode from season 3 of voyager, there is a character in the holodeck named T'paul and described as a scientist by the Doctor. Could it be the same character in enterprise ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.200.137.77 ( talk) 09:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I've assessed this article for WP:TV as requested here.
I have rated this article as start class because it is a reasonably comprehensive treatment of the subject but has several major flaws and omissions. I have several suggestions for improving the article:
I have rated the article as low importance because there is little to distinguish it from other articles about television series. These categories are subjective and may be reviewed by any member of WP:TV who feels confident to do so. Please note that a more formal assessment by other editors is required to achieve
good article or
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here, article about TV series guidelines
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Opark 77 15:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
So... it's a pretty big section. We should either trim it way the hell down, or move it to it's own article, because frankly, it has nothing to do with Enterprise that Russell Watson sang a different version at some event somewhere. There's so much non-Enterprise stuff in that section, I feel it needs to go no matter what, but could be made into a decent article about the song in general. Howa0082 ( talk) 04:23, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
I moved some stuff out. It still looks awkward to me, but no longer huge and ungainly, so much happiness all around. Howa0082 ( talk) 04:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
In the "cancellation" section, there's a lot of hurrblurr going on about what fan groups have done (which is nothing) and what people have said (which is close to nothing). I personally don't think it's really needed, at least in the amount of it there is. But, before I go delete-happy, I'm fronting my plan. I want to more or less get rid of it, since I think this article should generally be only about the series itself. Having a self-serving section about a bunch of fans who wanted to raise money and came nowhere near the mark is pointless and kinda fancrufty, really. Now, if they had raised the appropriate amount, but still failed to get a new season, I'd be all "Hey, put that in there, man!" But they didn't. So I'm not. Howa0082 ( talk) 15:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like to say that I'm not in anyway claiming the adding of all these references as mine. If the retrieval dates get changed while I update the templates, feel free to imagine that those are merely verification dates, since I have pretty much been checking each link to see if it works or not anyway. If you feel I've stepped on your toes, fellow contributors, well, I don't actually care, but am giving fair warning. Ta. Howa0082 ( talk) 00:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Upon its review on January 13, 2008, this good article nomination was quick-failed because it:
contains cleanup banners including, but not limited to, {{ cleanup}}, {{ wikify}}, {{ NPOV}}, {{ unreferenced}}, etc, or large numbers of {{ fact}}, {{ clarifyme}}, {{ huh}}, or similar tags
thus making it ineligible for good article consideration.
This article did not receive a thorough review, and may not meet other parts of the good article criteria. The tag under "Cancellation" has been there since long before this article was nominated. I also note that even a cursory glance at this article shows lots of uncited facts and sections, not just the "citation needed" tag under "DVD releases", which means this article could not pass as a Good Article even if the tag that this article is being quick-failed for was gone. I suggest ensuring that all facts and sections are properly referenced and cited before renomination. I encourage you to remedy this problem (and any others) and resubmit it for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far. Cheers, CP 17:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
This is 67.148.120.103 ( talk) 09:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 editing content I typed, I'm not erasing, just changing it, making it shorter. Amidst the ranting and rambling, all I was trying to say was that the show's appeal had much to do with character interaction. I repeatedly said that "Star Trek" was a very "human" show, and much of that has been lost. Additionally, I think I wrote on another discussion page, about part of what made "Star Trek TOS" so popular, was the general atmosphere of its day. I will go ahead and argue, that Gene Rodenberry, not John F. Kennedy, was the one who saved the world from a nuclear holocaust. Star Trek was also popular in Russia; everybody there watched it. A recurring theme of TOS, was how The Enterprise frequently encountered civilizations that DIDN'T make it. Because the cold war was still going on during the first episodes of TNG, that theme permeated many of the early TNG episodes as well.
The theme, is actually more relevant today than ever; the cold war may be gone, but there is talk of "super weapons" that not long ago were science fiction. There are weapons being developed, that are much more powerful than nuclear bombs, as a matter of fact even hydrogen bombs are rapidly becoming obsolete. Nuclear arsenals are still kept, nevertheless, technology, weapons research in the future may prove much more destructive, and that is what Rodenberry was afraid of. In TOS, that is Kirk's Enterprise, many of the planets they encountered destroyed themselves with weapons far more davastating than nuclear bombs, some alien cultures even developed planet wide destruction weapons, and given irresponsible military spending, our own planet is rapidly headed that way. Star Trek may seem irrelevant, but, if Abrams manages to revive the "old" Star Trek, if the movie turns into a pilot, the show's influence is more badly needed. Also, kudos to Abrams for making it even more relevant; the main villain Nero, was a terrorist, his personality was very much that of an angry Palestinian. On Wiki answers I have drawn this comparison before; Jews are like Vulcans, while Arabs are like Romulans. For those of you who know Arabs and Jews, think about what I said; you'll see that I'm right.
This is 67.148.120.103 ( talk) 09:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 editing some old content, it says not to change or edit any content on the archive pages, but I feel that what I typed before had no value, or, at least, it was overly long-winded, more than it had to be. Thanks for your patience.
67.148.120.103 ( talk) 09:56, 7 March 2010 (UTC)stardingo747 editing older talk.
206.63.78.85 ( talk) 01:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)stardingo747
This article was recently quick failed and the issues have not been addressed (citation needed tags remain, for example). Additionally, the article has a lot of unreferenced material. The general writing and presentation of the article needs improvement as well. Please take a good look over the good article standards. The Manual of Style and the article writing guide may both be useful in providing guidance towards improvement. Vassyana ( talk) 02:26, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I am writing an article about all of the series which are in the same shared reality as this one through spin-offs and crossovers. I could use a little help expanding the article since it is currently extremely dense and a bit jumbled with some sentence structures being extremely repetitive. I would like to be able to put this article into article space soon. Any and all help in writing the article would be appreciated, even a comment or two on the talk page would help. Please give it a read through, also please do not comment here since I do not have all of the series on my watch list. - LA @ 16:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
I am certain that Wikipedia used to have a list of the images used in the opening titles of the program. What happened to it, where can I link to it, and why remove it. GBC ( talk) 05:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
I cut out a good deal of content from the 2005 section that was essentially trivial details from a few websites and minor organizations. I've never seen an article so filled with inane, irrelevant details of what happened years ago on minor web sites, we don't need the timeline from every organization that protested the cancellation. Other sections in the article suffer from this trivia bloat as well, but I tried to prune down the worst section as a start.
So were humans the least technologically advanced of the species that founded the Federation? They seem to be technologically inferior to every major race that they've encountered that have survived to later series. Even the Klingons had photon torpedoes before humans even had photonic torpedoes. Is there any information available on when Humans became techological equals because all of those races seemed to be equal by the time of the Original Series. Rajrajmarley ( talk) 14:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Although I really liked the series, the opening showed ONLY USA achievements in the space race. Not one picture about Sputnik or Laika, the first dog in space, or Yuri Gagarin, the first man in space. No Soyuz rockets. No Mir space station. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fillosaurus ( talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Keep in mind it's hard to get video footage of other country's exploits, confidentiality and all. I remember when TOS went through this and they added Chekov. It's like crying wolf at this point. Star Trek is not racist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.6.26 ( talk) 23:58, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/help/faqs/faq/674.html Original series art director (and avid pilot) Matt Jefferies commented that he chose the "1701" combination of numbers because it was legible from a distance and the numbers wouldn't be confused. Other numbers, like 3, 2 and 5, were not used for this very reason. Also, the extra "C" in "NCC" was a nod to the Russian abbreviation for the old Soviet Union, "CCCP." According to Jefferies, "If we do anything in space, we (Americans and Russians) have to do it together." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.193.6.26 ( talk) 00:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
...in all the episode synopses that have a Stardate listing. Since there was no such thing as a Stardate yet, it makes more sense to have it as 'inapplicable'. It's a very minor edit, but since I had to do it over about 80 articles... Half Shadow 02:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
The plot summary section needs some improvement.
Feel free to comment, but keep in mind that these suggestions are not meant as a direct attack on anyone (except for that DVD-plot-description guy, because he's always wrong about how much I'll love this movie…). — OranL ( talk) 11:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
I've just seen the chronology edited in the infobox, with the 'followed by' changed to TOS rather than VOY. Is the chronology box supposed to reflect the story timeline, or the production order? ῤerspeκὖlὖm in ænigmate ( talk ) 08:20, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
its production order both here and memory alpha do this but i'm pretty sure you guessed that MrInhibitor ( talk) 04:45, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
This article states: "The first two seasons of Star Trek: Enterprise depict the exploration of interstellar space by the crew of an Earth ship able to go farther and faster than any humans had previously gone, due to the breaking of the Warp barrier, analogous to the Bell X-1 breaking the sound barrier." In Star Trek lore, the "warp barrier" had already been broken long before Enterprise took flight. It's claim to fame was actually to have the first warp 5 engines, supposedly making her more able to practically travel to farther distances in realistic timeframes than any previous Earth vessel. Thus, rather than the Bell X-1, the ship is more analogous to the Bell X-1A or Douglass D-588-2 (there's a name that just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?) which broke the Mach 2 barrier or the Bell X-2 (which broke Mach 3 although the pilot, Milburn Apt, was sadly killed on the same flight). Just as these flights really don't ring down through history (quick what was the first aircraft to break Mach 4), all the talk during the series about how important Enterprise was similarly seemed rather hollow - why weren't we following the exploits of the first ship to travel warp 4 for instance. Of course, the real killer for the show as all of the Xindi crap that tried to hook the show into the War on Terror following 9/11 - they would have done much better talking about the discovering new worlds and civilizations and more clearly connecting the dots on the formation of the Federation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.140 ( talk) 18:37, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Has wikipedia really reached the point where all they'll allow under "reception" is a perfunctory tally of its ratings? Star Trek is a phenomenon that has always aroused great emotion in both die hard fans and critics alike, is there no room to at least briefly summarize what major television commentators have had to say, or some reference to the public's reaction beyond something so cold and quantitative? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.26.248 ( talk) 02:11, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
I came here to read the critical reception of this show, it is usually a good jumping off point to see the views of a detractor and a proponent of the media, sadly this article lacks that completely. The ratings went down, did the show's quality as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.70.64 ( talk) 07:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Thats why I came too... IMHO Scott Bakula was a horrible horrible horrible casting choice and I was wondering if the critics agreed that he was the reason this series was often painful to watch. Puddytang ( talk) 07:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Ratings were in actuality FAR HIGHER than they could have imagined. A hundred million online viewers. Now as the years pass, my show is cut short. The perpetrators should be tried for "cultural crimes", and imprisoned for not less than 20 years hard labor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.234.159 ( talk) 23:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Its in there but im not sure if its spam or not BlackScarabZ ( talk) 14:59, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
It seems the parenthetical addition of "(which were questioned by some for depicting only American flight and spaceflight advances while omitting historically important incarnations, such as Soviet milestones Sputnik and Vostok 1[28])" is not really needed in this article. The only reference I found about this was the following quote: "TB: Talking about NASA, don't you think some scenes like Gagarin, Mir Space Station or Sputnik are missing from the opening sequence? André Bormanis: It would've been nice to see something from the old Soviet program, which provided so much of the impetus for the American space program."
This doesn't seem to be "questioning" and even if you could interpret it as such it is one sentence in one place, which hardly qualifies as "some". I don't think that injecting statements spun as controversy are needed in an encyclopedia. Is there any objection to removing the quoted section and reference from the article? Iueras ( talk) 08:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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The following seems to be untrue, unverified and unlikely.
"Star Trek Enterprise Season 5 Due To Be Released December 6th 2011. 4 of the 6 main characters have been removed from cast. and are due to be returning, news on this upcoming release is not false. A fan made star trek has also caught the eye of a few people and has been brought to be made into a full time series."
As such, I feel it should be removed from the article. Also, I'm new to editing on WP so if I'm not quite doing this correctly, I apologize. Xerobane 04:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment added 03:45, 17 August 2011 (UTC).
The interview linked here. Basically just watch the video, clearly stating "Brannon Braga Suggests Netflix Could Bring Star Trek Enterprise Back For Season 5", "The best possible thing the fans could do is, if they want to see another season of Enterprise, is watch it on Netflix…My neighbor produces Arrested Development, and they’re making a new season of Arrested Development. I recall him telling me that it’s because for that show, they know they’re gonna get… they have data! They know a certain number of people are going to watch that show. I’ve heard rumors in town that the CBS show Jericho might get another season, because the numbers on Netflix are big! Watch Enterprise!". -- Ronnie42 ( talk) 02:56, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
At first glance on Netflix the unpopularity of the Xindi story arc had to do with the T'Pol/Tucker relationship. It was forced and contrived to make a calculated and unnecesarry change in the series. Sexing up of Enterprise was mistake to Trekkies because it was out of character for both characters rem486
The article mentions Netflix, and the unpopularity of the Xindi storyline arc. My talkpage reference attempts to encapsulate both with the idea that an as yet unknown reason exists for the disrespect of a perfectly good Star Trek plot line. Actually upon watching even more episodes I'm even more convinced my idea is sound. [rem486]
What part of the Xindi story arc is not a part of the Temporal Cold War storyline? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rem486 ( talk • contribs) 13:43, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
I could swear that I watched the very first episode of Enterprise in HDTV from the D.C. area UPN affiliate WDCA.
Could anyone else confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.100.194.10 ( talk) 03:44, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think the article goes into whether people (public/critics) liked it or not. It's like an endless stream of text about how many people watched it. Even the Reception section contains 0 information about whether people think it was any good or not. You would think that at least somewhere in the article, something would be mentioned about this. -- 82.170.113.123 ( talk) 01:54, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to add a public thank you to everyone who has copyedited this article since I did a full replacement a few days ago. This version has been sitting in userspace for quite some time, far longer than any other I've ever created in this manner. Because of this I just wasn't seeing any issues with it (and partially I was pretty sick of seeing it in userspace!!). It's far better to have it out here in the open where more eyes can result in a better result, after all that is what Wikipedia is. Miyagawa ( talk) 09:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
The article states, "A website entitled TrekUnited.com was set up to raise funds for a fifth season,[106] but failed to do so with the money refunded after the unsuccessful campaign.[107] A total of $32 million had been raised.[51]". I thought they raised $3.1 million. $32 million sounds like what they needed. The statement has a citation, but the source is a magazine and there is no hyperlink, so I can't check the source. Can anyone else verify what the source says? Nine hundred ninety-nine ( talk) 11:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)