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At the top and in the 'facts' panel on the side, deaths are reported as 17. However, in the casualties section it is described as 18. Which one is correct? Mikbob ( talk) 17:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
I checked the reference of the number at the top, which actually leads to a article saying at least 13 people are dead, so I've now removed the reference and replaced it with citation needed. The old link was http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24705734. If anyone can find a reference it would be much appreciated. Mikbob ( talk) 18:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/438817/Lightning-strikes-as-biggest-storm-since-1987-sweeps-in -Leon Brown, forecaster for The Weather Channel, said wind speed in the jet stream – a ribbon of air which circulates the globe and influences the weather – could hit 200mph. He said: “We continue to monitor developments very closely for this coming Monday. “The storm in question, which we have named Saint Jude, is currently a minor disturbance over the Gulf of Mexico which will propagate eastwards and become caught in a ferocious jet stream currently off the eastern seaboard of the US.
my bolding Lacunae ( talk) 16:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC) http://www.channel4.com/news/met-office-we-dont-know-why-the-storm-is-called-st-jude
thanks! I still somewhat disagree that referring to an event which hapened on 27-28 october 2002 as occuring 11 years ago to the day as being original research, but hey, different wiki editor tribes. Lacunae ( talk) 20:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
can we get a weather map added to this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.35.82.171 ( talk) 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Although tragic, this incident happened on the Sunday afternoon, some 12 hours before Jude arrived in the area, so is not relevant to the article. It should also be noted that the met office downgraded their forecasts on the Sunday evening - although clearly some areas had hurricane force winds, gusts of no more than 50mph were more typical. As such it it is nothing more than a normal October storm so it is questionable whether it needs its own article at all. Comparisons to the Great Storm of 1987 are way off mark. Dsergeant ( talk) 09:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
It wasn't a storm in the UK. Gusts are irrelevant and the maximum sustained wind speed of 46 knots makes it a force 9 gale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.155.202 ( talk) 15:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
We claim (with no refs) "The storm made landfall in the early hours of 28 October." AFAIK, that was for the UK. I think it reached France somewhat earlier late on the 27th. Anyone have any refs about this? Ericoides ( talk) 19:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The article says nothing about how the storm affected Belgium. Mjroots ( talk) 23:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
(Thought I'd open a new section with this. There are bound to be a lot of dead links at news sites that were linked on the day of the storm or shortly after.)
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I appreciate the reference, but I think the way it's been presented is not the best way to deal with it. Wikipedia certainly doesn't use language such as -so-called "supercomputer" and the tone is wrong. There are also issues with undue weight to the prediction. Also from the reference it looks like his timing of the storm was off, this should be mentioned when adding this I think, which looks more coincidental to me. Lacunae ( talk) 14:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Also, I'm unsure of whether the source can be used as a reference on wikipedia, given the limited use copyright states it should not be "circulated on the web". Lacunae ( talk) 15:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Something along these lines would I think make a more neutral in tone entry. Lacunae ( talk) 19:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Bored of removing Piers Corbyn vandalism, any more and all mentions of him are to be removed from the page on sight. Lacunae ( talk) 09:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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There is nice Youtube video record of the storms effect in North London you may want to mention in the article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ghL3Eyf3Oo Lots of footage of blown-over trees etc. As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blutey ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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At the top and in the 'facts' panel on the side, deaths are reported as 17. However, in the casualties section it is described as 18. Which one is correct? Mikbob ( talk) 17:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
I checked the reference of the number at the top, which actually leads to a article saying at least 13 people are dead, so I've now removed the reference and replaced it with citation needed. The old link was http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24705734. If anyone can find a reference it would be much appreciated. Mikbob ( talk) 18:02, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/438817/Lightning-strikes-as-biggest-storm-since-1987-sweeps-in -Leon Brown, forecaster for The Weather Channel, said wind speed in the jet stream – a ribbon of air which circulates the globe and influences the weather – could hit 200mph. He said: “We continue to monitor developments very closely for this coming Monday. “The storm in question, which we have named Saint Jude, is currently a minor disturbance over the Gulf of Mexico which will propagate eastwards and become caught in a ferocious jet stream currently off the eastern seaboard of the US.
my bolding Lacunae ( talk) 16:36, 27 October 2013 (UTC) http://www.channel4.com/news/met-office-we-dont-know-why-the-storm-is-called-st-jude
thanks! I still somewhat disagree that referring to an event which hapened on 27-28 october 2002 as occuring 11 years ago to the day as being original research, but hey, different wiki editor tribes. Lacunae ( talk) 20:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
can we get a weather map added to this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.35.82.171 ( talk) 03:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Although tragic, this incident happened on the Sunday afternoon, some 12 hours before Jude arrived in the area, so is not relevant to the article. It should also be noted that the met office downgraded their forecasts on the Sunday evening - although clearly some areas had hurricane force winds, gusts of no more than 50mph were more typical. As such it it is nothing more than a normal October storm so it is questionable whether it needs its own article at all. Comparisons to the Great Storm of 1987 are way off mark. Dsergeant ( talk) 09:47, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
It wasn't a storm in the UK. Gusts are irrelevant and the maximum sustained wind speed of 46 knots makes it a force 9 gale. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.195.155.202 ( talk) 15:31, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
We claim (with no refs) "The storm made landfall in the early hours of 28 October." AFAIK, that was for the UK. I think it reached France somewhat earlier late on the 27th. Anyone have any refs about this? Ericoides ( talk) 19:18, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
The article says nothing about how the storm affected Belgium. Mjroots ( talk) 23:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
(Thought I'd open a new section with this. There are bound to be a lot of dead links at news sites that were linked on the day of the storm or shortly after.)
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Corbyn version
I appreciate the reference, but I think the way it's been presented is not the best way to deal with it. Wikipedia certainly doesn't use language such as -so-called "supercomputer" and the tone is wrong. There are also issues with undue weight to the prediction. Also from the reference it looks like his timing of the storm was off, this should be mentioned when adding this I think, which looks more coincidental to me. Lacunae ( talk) 14:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC) Also, I'm unsure of whether the source can be used as a reference on wikipedia, given the limited use copyright states it should not be "circulated on the web". Lacunae ( talk) 15:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Something along these lines would I think make a more neutral in tone entry. Lacunae ( talk) 19:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Bored of removing Piers Corbyn vandalism, any more and all mentions of him are to be removed from the page on sight. Lacunae ( talk) 09:31, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
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There is nice Youtube video record of the storms effect in North London you may want to mention in the article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ghL3Eyf3Oo Lots of footage of blown-over trees etc. As they say, a picture is worth a 1000 words. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blutey ( talk • contribs) 15:37, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
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