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@ BrownieBrown: I've tagged the article for having multiple problems, not the least of which is WP:SYNTH as it conflates "Russian" with Rus', Cossack with Russian, and points to the Hopak, Trepak, the Kozachok and other Ukrainian/Cossack/Eastern European Slavic traditional dances (as well as Terek Cossack style dances. Certainly, Russian traditional dance styles often feature the squat, but it is hardly exclusive to Russian dances. I have no doubt this was written in good faith, but was it even submitted for review? Could we please make an attempt to de-Russify this pop culture interpretation and present a balanced one instead. Iryna Harpy ( talk) 01:05, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The squat has always been referred as a Russian cultural element. A de-Russification is not possible because it is a integral part of the Russian culture. What exactly is your idea? I just hope it's meant sincerely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownieBrown ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Penbat you compare it with some moves in some dances and your conclusion is that it has to do something with twerking and stuff ? sorry, i hope you are not serious about that. i make you aware that its a important cultural feature of Russia and that's why the article is important. it is absolutely not comparable with your examples and its a very important part of Russias identity and history. it is not wise to weeping for very strange reasons something so important under the carpet.-- 85.212.187.159 ( talk) 11:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Should this article list any pop culture influence this type of dance has had (e.g., Team Fortress 2 Kazotsky Kick)? 131.123.50.51 ( talk) 21:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
@ TaivoLinguist, Toddy1, Faustian, Khajidha, Tobby72, E-960, Rosguill, Paul Siebert, Seryo93, Thomas.W, Sidoroff-B, and Pincrete:
My apologies for potentially running afoul of canvassing, but I have intentionally selected a very disparate group of editors who know their way around Eastern European subjects in detail - none of whose opinions I could actually vouch for as regards this particular query - and a fair and rational administrator who is welcome to reprimand me, but am hoping takes this casual survey as being in its intended good faith. The administrator in question is aware of my health being poorly, and my somewhat rambling attempts to articulate things at the moment.
This article is based on a neologism, and is attracting more synth as users discover it. Please see the above responses to my original querying of its existence for my reasons for questioning the existence of this article, and responses from good faith editors who've misunderstood my reason for objecting to it.
Please note that I have left a message on the creator's page regarding this discussion I've initiated. As they have not edited since 13 October 2019, I have no idea as to whether they will respond, but wish to give them the opportunity to state their policy and guideline case for having created it in the first case.
Thank you, in advance, to those of you who respond (or even read this message). Iryna Harpy ( talk) 06:48, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
The Squat Dance is a important part of Russian culture and do delete it would be like to attack the heart of Russian culture. It’s just not a good ambition. Deleting something Russian from Wikipedia is ultimately directed against Wikipedia, culture and and the person who has such these intentions. There is a difference between destruction and self-destruction - but it's also very connected. That would be more than a loss for Wikipedia. I think everyone has made enough experiences in last years to understand that it is not the right way. It's time to turn around Irina and people, inclusive me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownieBrown ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
"...attack on the heart of Russian culture?", and the deletion of
...something Russian from Wikipedia..., and
...ultimately directed against Wikipedia, culture and and the person who has such these intentions."In what way are you talking about the Russian culture?
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@ BrownieBrown: I've tagged the article for having multiple problems, not the least of which is WP:SYNTH as it conflates "Russian" with Rus', Cossack with Russian, and points to the Hopak, Trepak, the Kozachok and other Ukrainian/Cossack/Eastern European Slavic traditional dances (as well as Terek Cossack style dances. Certainly, Russian traditional dance styles often feature the squat, but it is hardly exclusive to Russian dances. I have no doubt this was written in good faith, but was it even submitted for review? Could we please make an attempt to de-Russify this pop culture interpretation and present a balanced one instead. Iryna Harpy ( talk) 01:05, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
The squat has always been referred as a Russian cultural element. A de-Russification is not possible because it is a integral part of the Russian culture. What exactly is your idea? I just hope it's meant sincerely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownieBrown ( talk • contribs) 12:47, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
@Penbat you compare it with some moves in some dances and your conclusion is that it has to do something with twerking and stuff ? sorry, i hope you are not serious about that. i make you aware that its a important cultural feature of Russia and that's why the article is important. it is absolutely not comparable with your examples and its a very important part of Russias identity and history. it is not wise to weeping for very strange reasons something so important under the carpet.-- 85.212.187.159 ( talk) 11:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Should this article list any pop culture influence this type of dance has had (e.g., Team Fortress 2 Kazotsky Kick)? 131.123.50.51 ( talk) 21:43, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
@ TaivoLinguist, Toddy1, Faustian, Khajidha, Tobby72, E-960, Rosguill, Paul Siebert, Seryo93, Thomas.W, Sidoroff-B, and Pincrete:
My apologies for potentially running afoul of canvassing, but I have intentionally selected a very disparate group of editors who know their way around Eastern European subjects in detail - none of whose opinions I could actually vouch for as regards this particular query - and a fair and rational administrator who is welcome to reprimand me, but am hoping takes this casual survey as being in its intended good faith. The administrator in question is aware of my health being poorly, and my somewhat rambling attempts to articulate things at the moment.
This article is based on a neologism, and is attracting more synth as users discover it. Please see the above responses to my original querying of its existence for my reasons for questioning the existence of this article, and responses from good faith editors who've misunderstood my reason for objecting to it.
Please note that I have left a message on the creator's page regarding this discussion I've initiated. As they have not edited since 13 October 2019, I have no idea as to whether they will respond, but wish to give them the opportunity to state their policy and guideline case for having created it in the first case.
Thank you, in advance, to those of you who respond (or even read this message). Iryna Harpy ( talk) 06:48, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
The Squat Dance is a important part of Russian culture and do delete it would be like to attack the heart of Russian culture. It’s just not a good ambition. Deleting something Russian from Wikipedia is ultimately directed against Wikipedia, culture and and the person who has such these intentions. There is a difference between destruction and self-destruction - but it's also very connected. That would be more than a loss for Wikipedia. I think everyone has made enough experiences in last years to understand that it is not the right way. It's time to turn around Irina and people, inclusive me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownieBrown ( talk • contribs) 17:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
"...attack on the heart of Russian culture?", and the deletion of
...something Russian from Wikipedia..., and
...ultimately directed against Wikipedia, culture and and the person who has such these intentions."In what way are you talking about the Russian culture?